YTSEJAM Digest 4566
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Ocean machine CD?
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
2) Genre Names
by ClPuritan@aol.com
3) Petrucci's a fast mofo
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
4) Re: Xmas CD mp3, CDR copy's
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
5) Re: drums etc...
by Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
6) Re: LTE Tour
by Darth1@aol.com
7) Music Bizz 'n stuff
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
8) RE: Munchings and Crunchings
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
9) Re: Xmas CD mp3, CDR copy's
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
10) Re: LTE Tour
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
11) Re: The Devin (Townsend) Machine
by Darth1@aol.com
12) Re: LTE in LA
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
13) Re: Munchings and Crunchings
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
14) RE: Ocean Machine CD?
by "Matthew A. Schnoor" <mschnoor@yahoo.com>
15) RE: Munchings and Crunchings
by TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
16) Re: Xmas CD mp3, CDR copy's
by AEllis1222@aol.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:09:35 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Ocean machine CD?
Message-ID: <001101be3fe9$46f14760$0201010a@chuck>
>P.S. Can anyone recommend a reliable internet CD place that would carry
>Devin Townsend's "Infinity"???
The implication of the other Ocean Machine disc was not a disc's name, but
just the name of a song off of Biomech. "Hide Nowhere." Damn great disc.
Anyone who would like to pick up Korg's #1 CD of 1998 trip over to
http://members.home.net/hevydevy and put one on order. It's very worth it.
As far as Infinity, I'm not completely sure, but I think I saw it a
www.knightsofthround.com awhile back. Those guys are damn reliable and the
guy that runs the place is pretty cool. There's only been once that
something I ordered wasn't in stock (and I've order a ton from there).
Normal turnaround times are always less than two weeks. And prices are
INSANE... Sane... sane... sa...
*click*
-- KorgX3 eats three bags of pop rocks and chugs a Cherry Coke.------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:25:48 EST From: ClPuritan@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Genre Names Message-ID: <b37e56e6.369e36ac@aol.com>
Has anyone heard Aggro?
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:32:02 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Petrucci's a fast mofo Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C96056498091BC@messaging>
Has anyone clocked how fast JP's going at about 4:15 - 4:25 in his solo on OiaLT (I've never been one to be able to clock shit like that)? That's pretty fucking fast!
David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:44:48 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Xmas CD mp3, CDR copy's Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990114134353.12482A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Thu, 14 Jan 1999, Syrinx wrote:
> > No, Jan, you're not crazy. > > All we in the DTIFC ask is that you do make copies of the
"do" make copies for profit? I think that's a typo, in case anybody else didn't notice.
------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu http://oz.plymouth.edu/~a_couter/ ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------- "In the New Year, hold your right hand out always in friendship, but never in want." -- Irish toast -------------------------------------------
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:58:54 -0800 (PST) From: Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: drums etc... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990114104615.11367C-100000@swing.cds.caltech.edu>
On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> From: "Jason Barden" <jbarden@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us> > This is true. Alot of people like a little resonance from their bass John > Bonham, Vinnie Paul, etc... but some people prefer more attack than tone > i.e. Lars Ulrich from that M band.
I knew about Bonham's and Ulrich's bass drum sound, but to me Vinnie Paul's bass drum has always sounded really sharp (at least on display of power and far beyond driven). I guess you're talking about the sound he uses on southern trendkill?
Another Paul-related question: I read a Portnoy interview in a magazine where they briefly discussed engineering in the studio, and Vinnie Paul's name came up. The interviewer right then mentioned that Paul likes to duct-tape a quarter to each of his bass drum heads, right where the beater strikes it. They didn't make it clear why he does this (except for the sound that results). Does this give the crisp sound from the bass drum which is one of his trademarks? If not, what does this accomplish?
Younis Hilal------------------------yhilal@cds.caltech.edu
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:05:50 EST From: Darth1@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: LTE Tour Message-ID: <f38c23db.369e400e@aol.com>
In a message dated 1/14/99 2:03:13 AM Central Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
> Mr. Portnoy: > If it is going to be the only opportunity to see you live together, why > don't you tape the show and distribute it under the Magna Carta label. It > will be the first HomeVideo of Magna Carta!!!
Great friggin' idea!!! I would buy it in a heartbeat since i am no where near either LA or New York (or wherever the heck the shows are). Mr. P if you are reading, take heed to these words! These tapes would sell so fast you wouldn't know what to do! (IMHO |-)
Josh S.
NP: KMFDM - Retro
################################################# http://members.aol.com/Darth1/progmanic.html - My Personal Web page -
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStip/Studio/8435 - My Progressive Rock/Metal page -
ICQ# - 5071657 #################################################
==================================================== "And now," said Aslan presently, "to business. I feel I am going to roar. You had better put your fingers in your ears."
-- "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe," by C. S. Lewis ====================================================
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:16:13 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Music Bizz 'n stuff Message-ID: <369E427D.7C2F7956@mol.com.mk>
> From: Chris Schulze <schulze2@mindspring.com> > Subject: Muzik Bizz! > > Bob Dylan's songs always sound better to me when somebody else > sings them.
And that's one of the biggest phenomena! :) The man is a legend, but it turns out all covers are better than the originals! Which doesn't discredit him at all!
Viva la Dylan!
> From: Dave M Klint <davek@csh.rit.edu> > Subject: ah, yesterdays... > > But you _have_ to agree that there was something different > about that era of music.
> Bands like The Who and The Doors were considered Pop music in their day
Hmm, maybe Who were pop in very early stage, but titling "Sparks", "My Generation" or "Tommy" as Pop??? :) Nah! --
CyberDuke _______________________________________________________ Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk ICQ# 17392722 _______________________________________________________
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:21:00 -0500 From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Cc: "'someone@prognosis.com'" <someone@prognosis.com> Subject: RE: Munchings and Crunchings Message-ID: <390762D98D63D2118C280060081358CC414510@HAMSXHA2>
>There is no genre of music without some musicians of immense talent, and >without some creative use of musical elements. Everything is subjective, so >it is always a matter of taste, but if you dislike all country (Steve Morse >plays country songs) and all Rap (Bela Fleck and the Flecktones have some >rap... so does Thal) etc, then I'm far more inclined to think you're just >really sadly closed minded than I am to believe that you've LISTENED and >decided that it's not for you.
While I agree with this statement to a point, there are a couple of exceptions to this that I'd like to bring up:
1. What about those who HAVE listened and decided that it's not for them? There are those who may hate rap in any way, shape, or form, be it a song by Public Enemy or a song by Bela Fleck; they may have listened to rap for a while and then decided, "Hey, you know what, this sucks. I don't like rap. It's not a worthwhile form of music, as far as I'm concerned." Maybe that person's opinion will change in time (like mine did), but if not, then you can't fault the person for being close-minded when they gave it a fair shot.
2. What about a band that specifies the genre? Let's take the standard example, since that's where I lie: The Grateful Dead. It's been said that "The Grateful Dead are the best at what they do, because they're the only ones who do it." Let's accept that statement as truth (since it is). Now, I was exposed to the Dead for the first time when I went away to college, For a whole semester, it was all my roommate played (NB: for anyone who's interested in a humorous and extremely disgusting story regarding my roommate, email me at nickg@gis.net). I listened to them, I learned them, and I played them with friends of mine on the floor. Now, I won't say that I heard EVERYTHING that the Dead has ever done - that's far too daunting a task - but I listened to more than enough of it to say, "You know what? Phil Lesh is a great bassist. Matter of fact, the whole band is competent. But this music has absolutely no redeeming qualities to me." Thus, I hate the Dead - the band that specifies the genre, since they are the genre. (Before someone pips up, Phish is a great band, but they're not a jam-band like the Dead are, as far as I'm concerned. Apples and Oranges.) Does the fact that I respect the musician mean that I automatically have to respect the music they create?
Just curious. :)
DTC: Lesh and Myung both play six string basses. (Ok, I had to really REACH for that one...)
- Nick
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:38:28 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org> To: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> Subject: Re: Xmas CD mp3, CDR copy's Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9901141437290.19010-100000@typhoon.ocis.temple.edu>
> > No, Jan, you're not crazy. > > > > All we in the DTIFC ask is that you do make copies of the > > "do" make copies for profit? I think that's a typo, in case anybody else > didn't notice.
hahahahahahahaha, you're right. :)
the DTIFC is a non-profit organization, and if you're gonna trade the material, we would *strongly* hope that it is not-for-profit as well. the dtifc is BY the fans, FOR the fans, and we'd like to keep it in that same spirit.
- mike.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:39:17 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org> To: Darth1@aol.com Subject: Re: LTE Tour Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9901141438430.19010-100000@typhoon.ocis.temple.edu>
> > If it is going to be the only opportunity to see you live together, why > > don't you tape the show and distribute it under the Magna Carta label. It > > will be the first HomeVideo of Magna Carta!!! > > Great friggin' idea!!! I would buy it in a heartbeat since i am no where near > either LA or New York (or wherever the heck the shows are). Mr. P if you are > reading, take heed to these words! These tapes would sell so fast you wouldn't > know what to do! (IMHO |-)
I would be more than willing to tape the Philly show if someone (either from the label or whatever) supplied the camera.
- mike.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:41:40 EST From: Darth1@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: The Devin (Townsend) Machine Message-ID: <de7411c3.369e4874@aol.com>
In a message dated 1/14/99 8:45:30 AM Central Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
> A day or so ago, I saw reference to someone talking about a CD by Ocean > Machine which was not "Biomech". Am I missing something? Did they put > another one out? I this possible, since Devin just put out Infinity > just a month or so ago? Can this guy be any more busy???? > > P.S. Can anyone recommend a reliable internet CD place that would carry > Devin Townsend's "Infinity"???
To the best of my knowledge Ocean Machine (per say) only has one album, Biomech. There WAS talk of a second OM disk a while back before Infinity came out, but according to Devin, he has been putting all his concentration on Infinity and it turned out to be one kickass album.
It looks like Music Boulevard (www.musicblvd.com) has the import for $30.99 and CDNow (www.cdnow.com) has the import for $32.49. I've found both to be equally reliable...
Josh S.
################################################# http://members.aol.com/Darth1/progmanic.html - My Personal Web page -
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStip/Studio/8435 - My Progressive Rock/Metal page -
ICQ# - 5071657 #################################################
================================ Now it comes... Bold across the blue... Shadows dance over the land... Walls high, water deep Brick and steel gathering speed Guess it's just a feeling ...Guess it's just a feeling...
-- Devin Townsend ================================
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:24:49 -0800 From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: LTE in LA Message-ID: <369E5291.42F49975@ucla.edu>
Ok, add me for the Roxy show, and I might be adventurous and go to NAMM as well to see LTE. I'll see ya there Wes, and hope to see other SoCal jammers, considering I've now met practically all the Boston jammers and other east coasters during the Xmas concerts. I think we can count Lisa in on this, and Im sure the all famous Mosh will make an appearance. /me gets into stalking mode. On another note, in response to all this talk of other genres and musical ignorance, Id like to say that most of you would find me to be an ignorant fuck. Ive only been listening to prog and metal for a few months, and I am quite opinionated as to my likes and dislikes. Cheryl, Im glad to hear that someone out there hates SoaD as much as I do. They sound like a pseudo light metal band with a vocalist who is a cross between Primus and the B52's, and I just cant take that seriously. As a broad sweeping generalization, I think that most "chick singers" DO suck; unfortunately, most of them lack the power, passion and drive that makes metal enjoyable IMHO. However, this is likely to change. Just two years ago I complained that my best friend listened to "weird shit" like Machine Head, Sepultura, Deftones, etc, and now these are some of my favorite bands. Im not hurting anyone by the music I listen to, and it really shouldnt offend anyone if I say that the bands they like make me want to hang myself. Anyway, just my odd opinion. Back into lurk, and I hope to see lots of jammers at LTE.
~~Amanda, the ytse-hitch-hiker
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:31:48 -0600 (CST) From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Munchings and Crunchings Message-ID: <1999114151652541@ix.netcom.com>
<<>there is a big difference in appriciate styles of music and appriciating the >MUSICIANS that play that music, and their ability.
If there is such a big difference, I would be fascinated to hear you describe the difference in logical terms.>>
what I meant by this statement was that, take your example of Steve Morse playing country, I do enjoy Morse's playing especially with what Dregs tunes Ive heard, as well as when I saw him with Deep Purple, many could argue that "Bash" (an amazing display of how good Morse is) is country (as well as some of their other songs), though most of the time Ive seen the Dregs catagorized as "southern rock/fusion" and even progressive (though I dont agree with that). You can make the arguement that Alman Bros. have done country stuff. But when I think of country, I think of Shania Twain, Garth Brooks stuff. This is the stuff that I dont like. There is some old country fiddle stuff that I think is pretty cool (The Devil Came Down to Georgia or something like that is one song). I know that my last statement might sound hypocritial, so you dont have to tell me if it is ;-). Anyway, you say Morse has done country, so me liking the stuff he's done would mean that, while I dont like that particular genre as a whole, I appriciate Morse's technical ability and skill on guitar. That is what I mean. Another band like that is Cynic. What Ive heard from the musicians is amazing (this one instrumental in particular), even though I dont particularly like death metal as a whole.
<<>If the person has obvious musical talent and/or techincal profficiency, >then I think it would be wrong not to appriciate that talent.
Then you are already wrong, by your own admission. I'm SURE you have heard some talented country or R&B folk. I am simply positive.>>
I know that I will be contradicting what I said in my last post, but yes, I am wrong if you look at it in that way. Maybe what I call talent and musicianship is not the same in every style (in fact, I know its not). Opinions about musicianship vary. Some people think Robert Fripp sucks, and I can see why. His style is not the easiest to get into, especially the soundscapes. Personally, I think the guy is a genius, especially when you look at songs like Frame By Frame, Indiscipline, and Three of a Perfect Pair. Some people say Kurt Kobain was talented. I think he wasnt worth the shit from my ass. So yes, musicianship does lie in the eyes of the beholder.
Im not trying to say that Im the most open minded person in the world, because Im not, and I wont pretend I am. But I would have to say compared to most people that I know that are my age (15, 16 in 2 months), I do like a wide range of styles, even though I may not listen to all of them constantly. I can find very few kids in my school that can appriciate everything from rock, to prog and prog metal, thrash metal, jazz, fusion, some classical, blues, and some avant garde stuff (someone at Berklee introduced me to John Cage). Yes, I do not own albums in every one of these catagories, but I can contribute that to a shortage of cash and placing albums I want in my fav genres before albums I want in others.
So maybe I am closed minded by your definition, but you know what? I dont give a fuck. Because I know what I like and I know what I dont like. Im not saying that I will never appriciate the music that I hate now (I used to hate metal, now I love it). But I am perfectly happy with the way my musical taste is now, be it open minded or closed.
Matt
===================================================== "A daily dose of eMpTyV "Following our instinct will flush your mind not a trend. Go against right down the drain." the grain until the end." -Dream Theater -Metallica =====================================================
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:59:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Matthew A. Schnoor" <mschnoor@yahoo.com> To: YTSEJAM@axnet.net Subject: RE: Ocean Machine CD? Message-ID: <19990114205945.12509.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com>
In response to Ytsejam 4564, Dave Peterson's post:
HevyDevy Records (http://members.home.net/hevydevy/) now sells Infinity directly through mail-order, for $15 USD in the USA and Canada, and $16 USD in other regions. Check the webpage for more details. Their shipping usually takes a few weeks to go through Canadian customs, but they are very reliable.
I don't believe there are any other Ocean Machine releases aside from BIOMECH.
==
-- Matthew A. Schnoor -- mail: mschnoor@yahoo.com
_________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:00:01 -0500 (EST) From: TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: RE: Munchings and Crunchings Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990114155045.17991A-100000@hubcap.clemson.edu>
> From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil> > Subject: RE: Munchings and Crunchings > > 1. What about those who HAVE listened and decided that it's not for them? > There are those who may hate > rap in any way, shape, or form, be it a song by Public Enemy or a song by > Bela Fleck; they may have listened > to rap for a while and then decided, "Hey, you know what, this sucks. I > don't like rap. It's not a worthwhile form of > music, as far as I'm concerned." Maybe that person's opinion will change in > time (like mine did), but if not, then > you can't fault the person for being close-minded when they gave it a fair > shot.
yes, you can. there's no way someone can have heard every single rap artist who put out music. not everything classified as "rap" sounds the same, just as DT doesn't sound like symphony x. you can't judge an entire category by a small part of it. you can say "i haven't heard any rap that i liked". fine. but to say that you've listened and decided that all rap sucks makes no sense. it's the same as saying that all black guys suck. there's no way you've met all of them. (warning i'm not implying that black guys suck, just that it's the same kind of thinking) even if for some reason every single person with dark skin you've met in your life has been an asshole or whatever, you can't discredit the entire race based on that.
*** END OF TRANSMISSION ***
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:15:10 EST From: AEllis1222@aol.com To: syrinx@erotomania.org, ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Xmas CD mp3, CDR copy's Message-ID: <246a8a85.369e5e5e@aol.com>
So basically, it's cool to trade? I took the cd off my website as soon as I heard it was not cool, and I've subsequently gotten about 10 e-mails from people begging for the disc. I just want to clear it up. If I was to put the XMAS 98 disc on my site for trade only, it would be viewed as ok?
Honestly, just inquiring.
~~Art
www.joestump.com
http://members.tripod.com/cdr_boots
<<<No, Jan, you're not crazy.
All we in the DTIFC ask is that you do make copies of the Christmas Disc(s) for profit. If you want to trade the material, then by all means go for it (i'm not anti-bootleg, but I am when it comes to this sorta stuff). Considering the band paid for all of this out of their own pocket, to sell CDR's of it is (to me, at least) a gigantic slap in the face of Mike, John, John, Derek, James, Neil Elliott, myself, and everyone else in the DTIFC.
- mike, dtifc. >>>
------------------------------
End of YTSEJAM Digest 4566 **************************
This archive was generated by hypermail 2b30 : Thu Apr 01 2004 - 18:09:38 EST