YTSEJAM Digest 4565
Today's Topics:
1) grandios mio
by Dave M Klint <davek@csh.rit.edu>
2) '98 Drum Poll
by mccurdy@kennametal.ibmmail.com
3) Xmas CD mp3, CDR copy's
by "Jan Opsal" <janopsal@online.no>
4) Re: New genre name?
by MaxArbot@aol.com
5) Re: LTE Live Dates / Magna Carta Video
by MaxArbot@aol.com
6) Re: Xmas CD mp3, CDR copy's
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
7) LTE 2 Pix
by mccurdy@kennametal.ibmmail.com
8) Re: is prog really prog ?
by "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
9) Re: pickin' on a bass
by Craig Griffith <tarkus@softhome.net>
10) Re: New genre name?
by "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com>
11) Re: grandios mio
by "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com>
12) A Change Of Seasons
by "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com>
13) Re: ah, yesterdays...
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
14) Munchings and crunchings
by "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
15) Re: ****LTE Live Dates**** Spread the word!!!
by MaxArbot@aol.com
16) ...re your site
by massi439@yahoo.com
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:33:18 -0500
From: Dave M Klint <davek@csh.rit.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: grandios mio
Message-ID: <199901141433.JAA14614@elwood.csh.rit.edu>
Dammit, Chris, I want to go back into lurk mode but you just
won't let me! Oh, and never try and use an FZ quote against me.
I'll admit that anyone who writes the music that they enjoy deserves
respect, regardless of the genera. BUT there is such a thing as
one type of music being fundamentally _better_ than another. When
you listen to the piano, you don't want to hear an E minor chord
repeated for 175 measures, you want to hear the Moonlight Sonata.
I theorize with relative certainty that there are twice as many fans of
DT-like music in the world right now, they just don't realize it.
They pass it off as being too cheesy or too old. _That_, my friend,
is what I hope to eradicate. And it works in both directions, too.
I used to hate anything associated with rap, then Anthrax blew that
away. I used to hate anything that didn't have a guitar, then I
heard Tori Amos. I used to like regular music, then I heard Frank
Zappa (Jazz From Hell, learn it, live it, love it). The list goes on and on.
Believe what you will, but a majority of people buy music not because
they like it, but because they don't feel like thinking for themselves.
Bands like N'Suck will always repulse me, but I suppose it would be
hypocritical to say that they have no talent and then listen to my
Offspring CD. Listen to what music that stirrs up emotion, music
that makes you sad or angry or violent or peaceful, whatever you wish.
I'll continue to listen to the music I like and try and get other people
into it, and I'll also continue to listen to the music other people want
me to hear.
So what's the list's take on Meshuggah? I just downloaded a few sample
MP3's of them and I won't pre-judge. The ones I have all use the guitar
as a percussion instrument, but I'm sure the whole album(s) have to be
listened to before I decide. Any thoughts?
-davek
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:24:16 EST
From: mccurdy@kennametal.ibmmail.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: '98 Drum Poll
Message-ID: <4.19990114.10.24.16.997800@kennametal.ibmmail.com>
--- Received from HQ02MEMO.TC6NSMM MCCURDY, SHAWN 01-14-99 10:22
It's that time again... pick up the latest Modern Drummer magazine and
vote for MP (or other favorite) for the "Hard Rock", "Progressive Rock",
and "Best Recorded Performance" catagories!
See-ya,
Shawn
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:33:24 +0100
From: "Jan Opsal" <janopsal@online.no>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Xmas CD mp3, CDR copy's
Message-ID: <001c01be3fd3$4168f740$bbe64382@default>
Some Jams ago, (quite a few!) I asked you if
someone could make me some mp3's of the
DT Xmas CD 98 because I couldn't get it myself,=20
Nobody wanted to do it.
(some nice guy is sending me a tape though...)
I found this strange, Untill I read all the Posts regarding
this issue on the Dream Theater Newsgroup.
This really opened my eyes. You should read the whole
post (The "New DT Boot CD-R Site" thread, under the
title "Why do we not copy Xmas CDs? Why does DT=20
make them? And more.") For all of you lazy people
out there, I have put some of it in this post. But you
really should read all of it at once!
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This post was written by Mike Bahr (most of us know who he is)
to the DT Newsgroup ( alt.music.dream-theater ) on January 13.
<The end of a Looong post>
Anyway in 1996 we got the first Xmas CD, a surprise if there ever was
one, and it was there and gone in a heartbeat. We were told that the
band themselves had made all of them, from their own funds, and that it
was just a free gift to those of us hardcore enough to be in the
fanclub. Now, as you can imagine, this blew our fuckin' minds! We were
on Cloud Nine. The band asked that it not be bootlegged around, and
because we weren't so stupid as to want the fun to stop, we immediately
agreed. We didn't know that two more (as of this date) of the Xmas CDs
were coming... we just didn't want the band to regret having given us
that special holiday treat.=20
And that's what it comes down to. Every year since then we've had a
Xmas CD put out (of which 1998's is by far the best, I must say), and
every year we don't copy it, because we're so happy to have it and we
don't want DT thinking that we're getting to be unruly, ungrateful
fanatics that they need to shut out of their lives. We want the party
barge to keep on sailing, not to put too fine a point on it. Whether or
not we ever get another Xmas CD, we just don't want to take this good
thing that has come about, and ruin it. Is it so difficult, then, to see
why we would abruptly and harshly shout down anyone who acts "against"
our efforts, even unknowingly?=20
<He is almost done, but I cut him off here...>
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Mr. Bahr, Thanx for opening my eyes! : )
To those of you who already have read this post:
I appologize for taking up so much space on the Jam!
I just felt that everyone should read it. Maybe I'm a Jerk?
Jonas Opsal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
My Dream Theater page:
http://home.sol.no/~janopsal/dt/
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:34:43 EST
From: MaxArbot@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: New genre name?
Message-ID: <628a948e.369e0e93@aol.com>
At my local college, I've heard more and more people call this type of music
"Crossover." What do you think?
[eriC]
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:43:42 EST
From: MaxArbot@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: LTE Live Dates / Magna Carta Video
Message-ID: <5923d691.369e10ae@aol.com>
"Juan Fco. Quintero" <jfqc@nl1.telmex.net.mx> writes...
Mr. Portnoy:
If it is going to be the only opportunity to see you live together, why
don't you tape the show and distribute it under the Magna Carta label. It
will be the first HomeVideo of Magna Carta!!!
Absolutely! Where do I sign the petition?
[eriC]
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:46:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
To: Jan Opsal <janopsal@online.no>
Subject: Re: Xmas CD mp3, CDR copy's
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9901141044470.31780-100000@typhoon.ocis.temple.edu>
No, Jan, you're not crazy.
All we in the DTIFC ask is that you do make copies of the
Christmas Disc(s) for profit. If you want to trade the material, then by
all means go for it (i'm not anti-bootleg, but I am when it comes to this
sorta stuff). Considering the band paid for all of this out of their own
pocket, to sell CDR's of it is (to me, at least) a gigantic slap in the
face of Mike, John, John, Derek, James, Neil Elliott, myself, and everyone
else in the DTIFC.
- mike, dtifc.
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:51:03 EST
From: mccurdy@kennametal.ibmmail.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: LTE 2 Pix
Message-ID: <4.19990114.10.51.03.087383@kennametal.ibmmail.com>
--- Received from HQ02MEMO.TC6NSMM MCCURDY, SHAWN 01-14-99 10:48
Hey Guys (and Gals),
If you haven't checked out the LTE 2 October pictures on UACM, then
take a minute to do so. You get to see the guys playing, goofing off, and
a clean shaven Mike P. (makes him look like he's bearly old enough to
drink!)
See-ya,
Shawn
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:27:27 -0600
From: "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net, ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: is prog really prog ?
Message-ID: <369e1aef4cd5001@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <369DAF80.B7B7EFDB@ozemail.com.au>
from ytsejam@ax.com:
> But to steal your line Brian, who really cares if it's prog or not, as
> long as the
> listener is getting enjoyment from the music, wtf does it matter ?
Okay, score one for you Gaz. :)
-Brian
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:27:51 -0500
From: Craig Griffith <tarkus@softhome.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: pickin' on a bass
Message-ID: <369E1B07.FE0AC367@softhome.net>
AyameYuki@aol.com wrote:
> hey dale...trust me..growing your nails out to use as picks was a wacky idea (
> did your nails snap off or crack badly ? )...but ive tried that. ( its killer
> pain if you try to use your nails as a pick. its easier to use the thin
> plastic picks....but if you want sorta of a thick, but choppy sound...try a
> slightly thicker pick ) about the thickness of a thumbnail when viewed when
> most of the flesh is visible, except for the nail arch .
Well, it's not entirely a crazy thing to do, at least on a guitar. On bass, yeah,
it's nuts unless you've got super-hard nails. But on guitar, especially nylon
string guitar, it's fairly common to grow out the thumb, index, middle, and ring
fingernails on the picking hand. Steel strings are tough on nails, but nylon ones
generally aren't detrimental or hurtful, and you can get a lot more tone that way.
-- Craig Griffith: High school student, guitar player, King of Craigland http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Dell/8509/ "I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" -Ian Anderson------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:30:18 PST From: "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: New genre name? Message-ID: <19990114163019.21936.qmail@hotmail.com>
The name I keep hearing is (full body shudder) rap 'n' roll.
Trent
>At my local college, I've heard more and more people call this type of music >"Crossover." What do you think? > >[eriC] >
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:41:13 PST From: "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: grandios mio Message-ID: <19990114164115.4661.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Dammit, Chris, I want to go back into lurk mode but you just >won't let me! Oh, and never try and use an FZ quote against me. > >I'll admit that anyone who writes the music that they enjoy deserves >respect, regardless of the genera. BUT there is such a thing as >one type of music being fundamentally _better_ than another. When >you listen to the piano, you don't want to hear an E minor chord >repeated for 175 measures, you want to hear the Moonlight Sonata. > >I theorize with relative certainty that there are twice as many fans of >DT-like music in the world right now, they just don't realize it.
I buy it. I'm a recent DT convert. I bought the 'A Change Of Seasons' CD for the Zeppelin covers and no other reason, but I listened to ACOS and was blown away. I don't own all their albums, but the music I have heard is brilliant.
>Believe what you will, but a majority of people buy music not because >they like it, but because they don't feel like thinking for themselves. >Bands like N'Suck will always repulse me,
The thing about pop music is that it will always be there. Not all bands can be revolutionary like Nirvana, Led Zeppelin, Floyd, etc. And the bands that are probably won't achieve just tons and tons of success during their lifetime. It sucks, but it's true. Pop music is made to appeal to the dumbass in all of us and the scary thing is that it works for so many people. Don't believe me? Country music as most people know it today has been nothing but PURE pop for the last few years. I respect old school country as a music form (and that's just my personal taste), but this new stuff repulses me. In short, we need bands like Hanson, Celine Dion and N'Sync b/c they do something that a lot of revolutionary bands can't do- sell records.
but I suppose it would be >hypocritical to say that they have no talent and then listen to my >Offspring CD. Listen to what music that stirrs up emotion, music >that makes you sad or angry or violent or peaceful, whatever you wish. >I'll continue to listen to the music I like and try and get other people >into it, and I'll also continue to listen to the music other people want >me to hear.
I don't support that, but my opinion matters about two shits to you I'm sure, so I won't let this get to me. It is possible to turn people on to your music (I've gotten my brother into No Doubt, Cream, Collective Soul, Rage Against The Machine and a lot of others) and vice versa (my brother got me into DMX, Busta Rhymes, Merle Haggard and a LOT of other music). Music is such a beautiful thing b/c it can evoke so many different kinds of emotions from a person. It doesn't matter if it's acoustic country or the hardest metal ever, if the music is good and is performed by someone who deeply cares about it, it will always make people sit down and think. That will never change.
Trent
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:44:00 PST From: "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: A Change Of Seasons Message-ID: <199901141644.IAA17260@law-f78.hotmail.com>
I'm sure you list members are sick of seeing posts from me, so I'll keep this one short- how many times have DT played "A Change Of Seasons" and are there any good bootleg copies floating around? I don't have any DT to trade, but I do have Led Zeppelin and a couple of Pearl Jam boots. Just curious...
Trent
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:22:48 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: ah, yesterdays... Message-ID: <369D0EA8.CC3C74D6@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:10:49 -0600 > From: "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> > Subject: Re: ah, yesterdays... > > > Argue it any way you want. There WILL be a music revolution, or > > revitalization, or recycle, or whatever you want to call it. It > > will happen, becuase history tells us it will happen. > > Obviously there will be a change, there always is.
Err, guys, sorry to disapoint you, but most of the folks out there think that the revolution is happening right now!!! And they love it! It's the techno, rave, GOA trans 'n stuff music! They all claim this is refreshment and something new! Might be true, some of all this sound may bring somehting more to the future music styles!
I don't like it too, but why someone saud that it won't last if it can't be performed by a band? I don't see the connection? It doesn't matter if the stage has the machine and singer, if folks enjoy it - that's it! Maybe the live music won't surpise you with medley stuff like Moby Dick, Freebird or Nightmare Cinema, but who cares! :) If the audience like the song, they're cool!
> But like I said before, something like DT or Fates or Yes is never > going to be popular because it's too strange for the average person.
That might be our curse, but weren't Yes recognized enough in their time? Maybe some older fan can tell this, I can't speak about it! They are legends, according all encyclopedias 'n everywhere so I guess that's it!
LONG LIVE PROG 'N ROLL! :) --
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:57:00 -0600 From: "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Munchings and crunchings Message-ID: <000f01be3fde$ea417300$59739c83@7979811wheat.farm.niu.edu>
>From: AyameYuki@aol.com >Subject: Re: pickin' on a bass > >hey dale...trust me..growing your nails out to use as picks was a wacky idea
JEEZUS! You're 15 years old! I think he's been around a while longer than you... furthermore, it's NOT a new or uncommon (wacky) idea!
>From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
><< I'm disheartened when people try to discredit genres of music. One can >really only do that if one is ignorant. If you can't appreciate some styles >of music, that's a PROBLEM for you. That's not good. I have trouble with >some music... but not with any whole genres of music. >> > >I think this is a bull shit statement. No one HAS to appriciate every style of >music, and if you dont, its not a problem, its a matter of taste.
There is no genre of music without some musicians of immense talent, and without some creative use of musical elements. Everything is subjective, so it is always a matter of taste, but if you dislike all country (Steve Morse plays country songs) and all Rap (Bela Fleck and the Flecktones have some rap... so does Thal) etc, then I'm far more inclined to think you're just really sadly closed minded than I am to believe that you've LISTENED and decided that it's not for you. I didn't say you have to like everyone. I didn't say you have to do anything. I simply said if you close the door on a genre of music, you're closing your mind. There is no way to argue anything other than that point of view... you're not listening if you close the door on a genre.
>only have problems with 3 whole styles or music - rap/hiphop, country, and >reggae/ska. I dont think that to be a problem, because all of the artists that >Ive heard in these particular styles dont interest me, so until I hear an artist >in any of these styles that I like, I will stop dismissing the whole genre.
You're not GOING to hear an artist in these genres that interests you if you approach music as "This sucks."
>there is a big difference in appriciate styles of music and appriciating the >MUSICIANS that play that music, and their ability.
If there is such a big difference, I would be fascinated to hear you describe the difference in logical terms.
>If the person has obvious musical talent and/or techincal profficiency, >then I think it would be wrong not to appriciate that talent.
Then you are already wrong, by your own admission. I'm SURE you have heard some talented country or R&B folk. I am simply positive.
>that is wrong. I used to have this problem with death metal bands, though now, >even though I dont like death metal, I do appriciate the technical ability that some >of the musicians have.
In my personal experience, as a fan of Death Metal, I'd say Boyz II Men are more talented than most death metal bands. :)
- Chris
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:38:55 EST From: MaxArbot@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: ****LTE Live Dates**** Spread the word!!! Message-ID: <551d1c47.369e0f8f@aol.com>
New York and L.A. only!? AHHHHH!!!
Geez...I've got to move.
[eriC]
NP: Barenaked Ladies "Stunt"
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