YTSEJAM Digest 4564
Today's Topics:
1) Re: drums Etc....
by Paul Fanguy <drumsrus@bellsouth.net>
2) RE:"YEAH YEAH DIE DIE".. hehehe...this brings back memories...
by O-P Komonen <komoolli@trade.hamkk.fi>
3) is prog really prog ?
by Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
4) MP's Awake Kit
by mccurdy@kennametal.ibmmail.com
5) Noise Club needs your help!
by Noise Club <noiseclub@modern-music.de>
6) Angra live
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
7) Re: ****LTE Live Dates**** Spread the word!!!
by A P Longley <ap7032@qmw.ac.uk>
8) Drums...
by Mehmet Cevat Ozyildirim <e495368@eelab.itu.edu.tr>
9) Re: Drums...
by Mehmet Cevat Ozyildirim <e495368@eelab.itu.edu.tr>
10) Re: octobans
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
11) Re: octobans
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
12) Re: octobans
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
13) Ocean machine CD?
by "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com>
14) Re: Portnoy's Drum Kit
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
15) Re: drums etc...
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 01:56:03 -0600
From: Paul Fanguy <drumsrus@bellsouth.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: drums Etc....
Message-ID: <369DA313.365A6C42@bellsouth.net>
After listening to 6:00 more closely, it kinda sounds like Mike might even use his
timbalitos for the first 2 pitches. Whatever he does.........they aren't high toms.
Paul
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:50:13 +0200
From: O-P Komonen <komoolli@trade.hamkk.fi>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: RE:"YEAH YEAH DIE DIE".. hehehe...this brings back memories...
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990114105013.009a1100@mail.surffi.net>
just a couple of corrections....
> Waltari teamed up with the Swedish (I believe) national Symphony and they
did >one performance...
nope... the orchestra was / is Finnish... and I believe they did another
performance with another orchestra from Finland... I heard rumors that this
was on TV here, but never saw it....
>cookie-monster singer (from Waltari),
nope. they got the singer from Amorphis (another great Finnish metal band)
to do the cookie monster parts.
and yes, I like that album quite a bit too... for another cool Waltari CD,
try to find Torcha, their best "actual" album IMO
op777
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:49:04 +1100
From: Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: is prog really prog ?
Message-ID: <369DAF80.B7B7EFDB@ozemail.com.au>
>Who cares? We still call prog prog, even though all prog bands are
still
>just rewriting old Yes, Genesis, Rush, and Pink Floyd tunes. When's the
>last time a prog band was actually progressive??
Two words: Payne's Gray
I agree how can you call a band like Symphony X (as much as I like em)
prog metal, when they only write a couple of songs then re hash them all
the time ?
That's hardly progressive is it ? More like re-gressive metal :)
But to steal your line Brian, who really cares if it's prog or not, as
long as the
listener is getting enjoyment from the music, wtf does it matter ?
gaz
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 06:57:08 EST
From: mccurdy@kennametal.ibmmail.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: MP's Awake Kit
Message-ID: <4.19990114.06.57.08.832313@kennametal.ibmmail.com>
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>Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:06:51 +0200 (EET)
>From: Mehmet Cevat Ozyildirim <e495368@eelab.itu.edu.tr>
>To: ytsejam@axnet.net
>Subject: Portnoy's Drum Kit
>I am looking for some info about the drum-kit Portnoy used in the
>recording of Awake (The sizes of the toms, snare, bass drum, etc.).
>Especially the sizes of the toms he uses in the beginning of 6:00.
Check out MP's Instructional video. It was made when Mike was still
using the Awake era kit. The booklet that comes with the video completely
lays out his kit.
I've found an even better price on Tama Octobans, for those interested.
Interstate Music (www.interstatemusic.com) has them for $499.98 for the
High Pitched set w/ stand and $599.98 for the Low Pitched set w/ stand. I
haven't dealt with them before so I can't say what the service is like.
But it's worth checking on if your interested in Octobans at a great price.
Their number is 1-800-462-2263.
See-ya,
Shawn
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 05:11:12 -0700
From: Noise Club <noiseclub@modern-music.de>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Noise Club needs your help!
Message-ID: <14019913090571@mail.musicflash.com>
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:56:26 +0100 (CET)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: Majesty <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Angra live
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9901141338420.14914-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
Wow, just went to see Angra live in Verviers, Belgium yesterday... I'm
still blown away... Some random thoughts....
-One thing that sucked: they started 50 minutes late
-Andre was at his best... great, weird frontman, though very
sympathetic... AND his vocal performance was outstanding...
-Setlist (incomplete, random order): Nothing To Say, Speed, Paradise,
Fireworks, Caroline IV,Silence and Distance, Make Believe, Angels Cry,
Wings of Reality, Petrified Eyes, Metal Icarus, Stand Away, and I think
they also played Carry On.
-In the middle of Carolina IV there was this great drum/bass part with
Ricardo and Luis, followed by an AMAZING drum solo of Ricardo
Confessori... It was absolutely the BEST drum solo i've ever seen...
-After that, they smoothly got into Silence and Distance, followed by
Paradise, and then finally the second half of Carolina IV...
-Kiko is god
-At the end of the encores they played an Iron Maiden song, but since I
don't know any maiden at all, I can't tell you which one it was...
-They even had to come back a second time, for a second encore... That was
quite funny... Andre told us that we would have to shout really hard for
Luis to come on stage again, because he was already taking a shower...
After a couple of minutes or so, a soaking wet Luis Maruitti ran onto
stage with a funny 'what? again? geez!!'-face... followed by a crazy smile
as he was walking towards the guitars :-)
-For the second encore they did an Angra-version of Nightmare Cinema...
Rafael Bittencourt was singing, Andre was playing bass, Kiko was drumming
and Ricardo and Luis were playing guitars... That was sooo funny, as
Rafael was imitating a famous rockstar... They played some Priest song I
believe...
-Conclusion: had a great night, they played for 2 hrs 10 mins... In a
month or so they'll be back for a concert with Stratovarius in Vosselaar,
Belgium... Any jammers going to attend that show?
Cheers
Zaphod
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:08:32 +0000
From: A P Longley <ap7032@qmw.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: ****LTE Live Dates**** Spread the word!!!
Message-ID: <EF2DE05BB2@qmwcc5.qmw.ac.uk>
>Don't miss the ONLY live appearances
>(maybe ever!?!?!) of
>LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT
Hey Mike, how about a UK gig to make up for last year when the
Nottingham Rock City gig was cancelled and they wouldn't let you
do an LTE/Platypus set like you wanted, so we had to sit in your
hotel bar drinking Caffrey's and watching some old geezer doing
lines of coke in the bathroom?
Adrian and Chloe.
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:47:10 +0200 (EET)
From: Mehmet Cevat Ozyildirim <e495368@eelab.itu.edu.tr>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Drums...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990114152451.6565A-100000@karga.eelab.itu.edu.tr>
Hey guys what I know is that Octoban is the trademark of TAMA. They
produce long tubed toms with a radius of 6 inches and they call them
Octobans. If you have loooked at Mike's Mapex set (From the Awake era) you
should have realized that there's no drum looking like an Octoban.
My ideas are: Mike kicks off 6:00 with the high toms or with rototoms.
If he does it with rototoms, the first four are rototoms, and the last two
are high toms.
One more thing: It's not important if Mike uses octobans in 5YIALT to
kick off 6:00. What I wonder is what he used in the recording of Awake.
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:51:33 +0200 (EET)
From: Mehmet Cevat Ozyildirim <e495368@eelab.itu.edu.tr>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Drums...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990114154840.6565C-100000@karga.eelab.itu.edu.tr>
Hey guys what I know is that Octoban is the trademark of TAMA. They produce
long tubed toms with a radius of 6 inches and they call them Octobans. If
you have loooked at Mike's Mapex set (From the Awake era) you should have
realized that there's no drum looking like an Octoban.
My ideas are: Mike kicks off 6:00 with the high toms or with rototoms.
If he does it with rototoms, the first four are rototoms, and the last two
are high toms.
One more thing: It's not important if Mike uses octobans in 5YIALT to
kick off 6:00. What I wonder is what he used in the recording of Awake.
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 05:49:48 PST
From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: octobans
Message-ID: <19990114134949.10101.qmail@hotmail.com>
Yes they are octabons that kick off 6:00. Pretty awesome, eh?
I'm not quite sure what "pitched" is supposed to mean. If it meant the
same as tuned, yeah, pretty much any drum I've ever heard of can be
tuned, however, octabons have a unique quality, wherein the depth (for
lack of a better word coming to mind) of the octabon's sounds are all
different, because ... yep, you guessed it, the depths of the drums
themselves are all different. Octabons have a very distinctive sound
that I personally love, and speaking of them, I made mine out of 6"
diameter PVC. Add the hardware, and you're ready to play! You can
paint them if you want and most likely noone would be the wiser! :)
Save yourself alot of money. I also just read an article on how to make
your own homemade electronic drum trigger for drum-mods for under $15.
Pretty damn cool. Let me know if anyone's interested and I can try to
scan and post the article the best I can.
Last but not least, a pillow in the bass drum is to muffle the resonance
a little so the bass drum doesn't continue to resonate for like three
seconds. Evans makes a nice Bass drum skin package which I forget the
name of that comes with this nice velcro-attachable pad for this
purpose. It certainly serves it's purpose well and looks alot nicer
than a pillow. If anyone is interested I'll see if I still have the box
or something so I can give the name of the package.
Well, bye for now!
Mike
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:31:04 -0800 (PST)
Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com
]From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: octobans
Are octobans what mike hits to kick off 6:00?
Also, what does it mean to say a drum can be pitched? Can't any drum be
pitched? I know they come in all different pitches. To be pitchable
would mean to change the default setting, then?
And while we're on the subject of my percussive ignorance, why is there
a pillow in a bass drum?
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 05:56:13 PST From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: octobans Message-ID: <19990114135613.5046.qmail@hotmail.com>
Actually, it doesn't have much to do with a hole in the front skin. Most front skins only have a small hole offset to the side simply for the mic. The real reason is that the bass drum, being so large and obviously having a large skin, has alot of resonance, even if it's got two whole skins on it without holes.
Mike
----Original Message Follows---- Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:53:00 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com ]From: Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: octobans
At 07:31 PM 1/12/99 -0800, you wrote: > >Are octobans what mike hits to kick off 6:00? > >Also, what does it mean to say a drum can be pitched? Can't any drum be >pitched? I know they come in all different pitches. To be pitchable >would mean to change the default setting, then? > >And while we're on the subject of my percussive ignorance, why is there >a pillow in a bass drum?
LOL! Okay, bass drums have a hole in the middle of the front. It creates to open of a sound, so to deaden it, we drummers place pillows, blankets, or anything else inside.
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 06:05:26 PST From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: octobans Message-ID: <19990114140526.14989.qmail@hotmail.com>
---Original Message Follows---- Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:33:42 -0800 (PST) ]From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@hubcap.clemson.edu> Subject: Re: octobans Subject: octobans
>i wonder the same thing - octobans cant have their pitch changed >during playing, as umm, that big ass drum they use in symphonic bands >that has a pedal below it to change the pitch. i forget what its >called :)
The drum your thinking about is a Tympani drum (don't count on that spelling 100%). John Bonham used to have one that he used on a few of Zeppelin's phsycodelic (pardon the spelling again) songs like I think Dazed and Confused off the top of my head. I love Tympani drums! :)
>anyways, i don't own any but i believe the only way to change their >pitch is by tuning them, same as other drums. however, you seldom >mute octobans, since they have such a small head as it is (6" >usually), they don't ring much so i guess its easier to tell the >pitch. a muted drum sounds very percussive and not very melodic. >which brings us to the next question:
>And while we're on the subject of my percussive ignorance, why is there >a pillow in a bass drum?
to mute it. as i said, an unmuted drum rings and sounds melodic, which isn't a good thing for a bass drum. you want it to sound thumpy. most drummers also mute their toms and stuff, because in general a percussive, "thom" is preferred over "thoooommmmmmm" when you're doing a fill. however, some drummers don't mute them or barely mute them to keep them from sounding too dead. moo.
I've found you can get the best sound from toms if you use both heads (evens all weather oil filled), top and bottom, and tune them just right. It really gives you the perfect mixture between melodic and percussive tones, IMHO. :)
*** END OF TRANSMISSION ***
My two cents,
By Mike
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 06:27:10 PST From: "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com> To: YTSEJAM@axnet.net Subject: Ocean machine CD? Message-ID: <19990114142711.29803.qmail@hotmail.com>
A day or so ago, I saw reference to someone talking about a CD by Ocean Machine which was not "Biomech". Am I missing something? Did they put another one out? I this possible, since Devin just put out Infinity just a month or so ago? Can this guy be any more busy????
P.S. Can anyone recommend a reliable internet CD place that would carry Devin Townsend's "Infinity"???
- Dr. Teeth
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 06:28:55 PST From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Portnoy's Drum Kit Message-ID: <19990114142856.29971.qmail@hotmail.com>
The begining of 6:00 is octabons, which are 6". I don't know if they make other diameter octabons, but I'm sure that's the diameter he uses. As far as the depths, they most commonly come in sets of 4. The shallow set starts at like 10" and goes to like 14", I think. And then the deep set would go to like 20" probably. I'm pretty sure for Awake he had the shallow set. Now he has the shallow set on his left side and the deep set on his right. What a setup!! :) I'm pretty sure his sizes were the same on that set as what he uses now, which would be like 8", 10", 12", 13" (or 14"), 16" Floor and possibly 18" floor. It looks in pictures from the CD sleeve like he has a gong bass drum in that setup, which is a rare type of drum that's like a combonation between a tympani and floor tom that Neil Peart used to use, and comes in sizes ranging from 20" to 26". Very cool drum. I wish I had one. Always liked em. Anyway, getting back to his setup, two 22" bass drums, 14" snare, 12" and 13" tymbalitos (I have a self-restored, vintage, brass set, same size ... LOVE EM!!) and then his cymbal setup is close to what he has now minus the mini-china/splash combos, which are a creation of his from about 2 years ago. That about sums it up, any questions? :)
Mike
Mike
----Original Message Follows---- Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 06:18:32 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com ]From: Mehmet Cevat Ozyildirim <e495368@eelab.itu.edu.tr> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Portnoy's Drum Kit
I am looking for some info about the drum-kit Portnoy used in the recording of Awake (The sizes of the toms, snare, bass drum, etc.). Especially the sizes of the toms he uses in the beginning of 6:00.
-bye-
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 06:33:36 PST From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: drums etc... Message-ID: <19990114143336.20417.qmail@hotmail.com>
That's his improv. He does it different every time, but the first four drums (8 strokes) on the studio recording are octabons, and most like the last four as well, which would mean he must have had at least 6 of them in his setup. However, it is possible that he did the last four strokes on the timbalitos.
Mike
----Original Message Follows---- Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:29:46 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com ]From: "Jason Barden" <jbarden@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: drums etc...
>Are octobans what mike hits to kick off 6:00?
>yes.
Nope. Mike kicks of 6:00 with some high toms. You can tell this because Octobans have a very distictive tone, Octobans have a lot mre attack. Just watch "6:00" on 5YIALT Mike clearly is using his smaller toms. Mike does use his octobans on the begining of "Just Let Me Breathe" Also for the Awake album Mike endorsed Mapex drums. Octobans are made by Tama.
>Also, what does it mean to say a drum can be pitched? Can't any drum be >pitched? I know they come in all different pitches. To be pitchable >would mean to change the default setting, then?
I think he means change the pitch. Octobans are tuned just like any other drum.
>And while we're on the subject of my percussive ignorance, why is there >a pillow in a bass drum?
>to mute it. as i said, an unmuted drum rings and sounds melodic, which isn't >a good thing for a bass drum. you want it to sound thumpy. most drummers >also mute their toms and stuff, because in general a percussive, "thom" is >preferred over "thoooommmmmmm" when you're doing a fill. however, some >drummers don't mute them or barely mute them to keep them from sounding too >dead. moo.
This is true. Alot of people like a little resonance from their bass John Bonham, Vinnie Paul, etc... but some people prefer more attack than tone i.e. Lars Ulrich from that M band.
Jason Barden
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