YTSEJAM Digest 4569
Today's Topics:
1) Octobans
by Paul Fanguy <drumsrus@bellsouth.net>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4568
by Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
3) Bass talk
by "Chris Herbst" <cherbst@usa.net>
4) MoneytallicA
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
5) Asian Deprivation
by Nanny Eliana <art70927@leonis.nus.edu.sg>
6) clicky bass drums
by "Chris Herbst" <cherbst@usa.net>
7) hating a genre
by Bill Jackson <bill_jackson@usa.net>
8) Re: ****LTE Live Dates**** Spread the word!!!
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
9) Re: Drums...
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
10) 1 000 Visitors to My DT page
by "Jan Opsal" <janopsal@online.no>
11) Re: Black Cauldron
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
12) Ocean Machine MP3's?
by "MacAusland, Robert: HFX" <MacAusland.Robert@ic.gc.ca>
13) RE: YTSEJAM digest 4568
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
14) LTE live... in chicago please!
by Josh Brand <jbrand@mtu.edu>
15) Re: Munchings and Crunchings
by "Daniel Koo" <z2228593@pop3.student.unsw.edu.au>
16) Re: RealAudio decompressing
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
17) Re: Vinnie Paul
by MFishook@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 01:55:11 -0600
From: Paul Fanguy <drumsrus@bellsouth.net>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Octobans
Message-ID: <369EF45F.78A944F1@bellsouth.net>
Ok, I did some research, I was wrong....Tama did invent Octobans. But I
was still right about the beggining of 6:00. it is a mix of Octobans
and timbalitos. Of course, if Mr. Portnoy says it's something else,
then I'm totally stupid. I think what might of made someone think they
were high toms is because on OIALT, Mike's octobans are much longer, so
they have more overtones and produce a different sound than the shorter
ones he was using when they recorded Awake. But of course, this is just
what I have come up with, I could be wrong.
Paul
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:08:17 +1100
From: Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4568
Message-ID: <369EF771.F9D92D4C@ozemail.com.au>
> DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT no LTE in Chicago??!!
> Come on Santa Mike Chicago is inbetween New York and LA can't ya just swing in
> and play a show?
>
> Please for the sake of humanity play Chicago,
> Juli
Take the silver spoon outta your mouth, get on a plane and see
the gig of a lifetime.
Be thankful that you don't have to travel thousands of miles, fork
out a couple of grand, sit on a plane for umpteen hours just to see
one of your favourtie bands...........
Your people in the USA don't know you are born.
<sigh>
gaz
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 03:16:38 -0500
From: "Chris Herbst" <cherbst@usa.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Bass talk
Message-ID: <000101be405f$5fcc5510$d413bfd1@syrinx>
Hey it's great to see so much bass related discussion lately. We bassists
are usually forgotten, no one cares about us. It's very surprising to see
so many fans of Myung, I figured most don't even know who he is. Who are
everyone's favorite bassists, by the way? Mine would have to be Stu Hamm
for his abilities, Dave LaRue and Geddy Lee for their style, and of course
Tony Levin for LTE!
Chris Herbst
http://www.chris.herbst.com
Cherbst@usa.net
ICQ# 27701459
AIM aggrssr
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 00:07:49 PST
From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: MoneytallicA
Message-ID: <19990115080749.19755.qmail@hotmail.com>
sneek preview of MoneytallicA's upcoming release "Gross Profit"
www.microserve.net/~baub/moneytallica.htm
i'm usually just a lurker here on the jam, but this page was just way
too funny not to post.. check it out
inferno
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:19:54 +0800
From: Nanny Eliana <art70927@leonis.nus.edu.sg>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Asian Deprivation
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.4.02.9901151717150.12029-100000@leonis.nus.edu.sg>
It seems that the kings of Prog metal are NOT making their way to the
South East Asian region. I've been waiting all my life in futility. Isn't
there a lack of market here, or do all of `em think that we live on trees
still, or is it I am doomed to suffer such deprivation ?
Can someone update me DT's concert tours,... and why they are not touching
friendly South East Asian waters, yet ?
Eliana
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:40:53 -0500
From: "Chris Herbst" <cherbst@usa.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: clicky bass drums
Message-ID: <000201be406b$24d91f40$d413bfd1@syrinx>
>The interviewer right then mentioned that Paul likes to
>duct-tape a quarter to each of his bass drum heads, right where the beater
>strikes it. They didn't make it clear why he does this (except for the
>sound that results). Does this give the crisp sound from the bass drum
>which is one of his trademarks? If not, what does this accomplish?
The quarters give it a cool sound. I played with someone who used wooden
beaters on top of that, he heard that's another thing Vinnie uses. We also
tried plastic discs designed for this. Eventually he settled on triggers,
but personally, I always liked the wooden beaters on silver dollars (until
he dented them!). They're not as load when you do this, but it's much
cleaner.
Chris Herbst
http://www.chris.herbst.com
Cherbst@usa.net
ICQ# 27701459
AIM aggrssr
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:57:15 -0500
From: Bill Jackson <bill_jackson@usa.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: hating a genre
Message-ID: <369F10FB.64287271@usa.net>
This is alsawys silly how this agrument strays off. Hating a genre of
music is not the same as blindly hating something or someone. I can say
that I like instrumentals with key and time changes, and string
instuments, this does not make it rap anymore. For a song to belong to
a genre it has to posess characteristics common to that genre, like
repetetive rhythms and a focus on lyrics are to rap, or like a focus on
lyrics are tp pop, or even a focus on soloists is to jazz. Some might
say they don't like abrupt time changes, or unfamiliar progressions, so
if that's what makes prog, then they don't like prog (or their just not
ready for it yet ;) ). Anyway, hating a genre means hating
characteristics common to it, hating the characteristics means hating
the genre.
--bill_jackson@usa.net ICQ# 27701459 AIM aggrssr
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 05:09:29 PST From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: ****LTE Live Dates**** Spread the word!!! Message-ID: <19990115130930.27394.qmail@hotmail.com>
THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN AWESOME IDEA TO ME!!
----Original Message Follows---- Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:47:41 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com ]From: "Juan Fco. Quintero" <jfqc@nl1.telmex.net.mx> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: ****LTE Live Dates**** Spread the word!!!
>Don't miss the ONLY live appearances >(maybe ever!?!?!) of >LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT >featuring Mike Portnoy, John Petrucci, Jordan Rudess and Tony Levin >Don't miss what will surely be a once in a lifetime experience!!!!
Mr. Portnoy: If it is going to be the only opportunity to see you live together, why don't you tape the show and distribute it under the Magna Carta label. It will be the first HomeVideo of Magna Carta!!!
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 05:14:18 PST From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Drums... Message-ID: <19990115131419.26824.qmail@hotmail.com>
Other companys make them, they just don't call them Octabons, and they're easy enough to have custom made or even make yourself.
----Original Message Follows---- Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 06:00:53 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com ]From: Mehmet Cevat Ozyildirim <e495368@eelab.itu.edu.tr> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Drums...
Hey guys what I know is that Octoban is the trademark of TAMA. They produce long tubed toms with a radius of 6 inches and they call them Octobans. If you have loooked at Mike's Mapex set (From the Awake era) you should have realized that there's no drum looking like an Octoban. My ideas are: Mike kicks off 6:00 with the high toms or with rototoms. If he does it with rototoms, the first four are rototoms, and the last two are high toms. One more thing: It's not important if Mike uses octobans in 5YIALT to kick off 6:00. What I wonder is what he used in the recording of Awake.
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:42:52 +0100 From: "Jan Opsal" <janopsal@online.no> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: 1 000 Visitors to My DT page Message-ID: <002d01be408d$9cbf4620$04e74382@default>
My webpage's counter is soon showing the golden number! (it says 997 now..)
This is a very proud moment to me (those of you having more visitors than me can shut up, -please...) I know I haven't had 1000 visitors, but even so, there has to be someone visiting my pages!
If anyone HASN'T (or someone wants to go there again...) been to my page, the adress is http://home.sol.no/~janopsal/dt/
But guys, let me know what you think of it! (girls too!)
Jonas Opsal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Dream Theater page: http://home.sol.no/~janopsal/dt/
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:56:59 -0500 From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com> To: The Divine Wings of Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Black Cauldron Message-ID: <4.1.19990115085307.00946940@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
>>Subject: Munchings and crunchings >Hehe, isn't this from "The Black Cauldron?" It has been quite a number >of years since I've read that, but for some reason it strikes me as >familiar :).
Gurgi used to say "Crunchings and munchings?" in just about every book of the Prydain Chronicles, so yes, technically. :)
Great fuckin' books. Lloyd Alexander ruled.
ta, Phil
================================================== Phil Carter -- Usefulware Tech Support -- phil@usefulware.com "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:19:00 -0500 From: "MacAusland, Robert: HFX" <MacAusland.Robert@ic.gc.ca> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Ocean Machine MP3's? Message-ID: <199901151415.GAA18387@knight.axnet.net>
Are there any sites out there with some OM MP3's?
R.
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:52:15 -0500 From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Cc: "'someone@prognosis.com'" <someone@prognosis.com> Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 4568 Message-ID: <390762D98D63D2118C280060081358CC414517@HAMSXHA2>
> From: "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com> > Subject: For Gurgi > Who is Gurgi? Am I missing something?
> I for my part didn't mean that you have to like anything at all. I'm >not telling anyone what cds to buy or what to like or dislike.
Damn you, Ptacek! I will not buy the new Muppets album, "Muppets in Hell"!! You won't make me do it!
> But if you can't find some value in a genre of music, you're not allowing yourself to >truly look. I'm not a big fan or rap. I will not put it down anymore >though, because I've seen rap artists do things that have impressed me to a >great degree. There are some rap artists that have an amazing rhythmic >control, and there are some rap artists who write very cool musical ideas. >They've done things that I KNOW I could not do without a great deal of >practice... attained some level of mastery over their art. That means they >deserve my respect.
I guess, maybe, then, my problem was that I wasn't differentiating between respecting musicians (which I find easy to do, because I suck as a bassist and have respect for anyone better than me) and liking the music that they play (which, in certain instances, I have a harder time doing). For example, I don't like Poison. C.C. DeVille is a much better guitarist than I am (since I only dabble at guitar), and the band knew how to write a catchy pop tune. I can respect that. I don't have to like it, but I can respect it. The same goes for some country, and some rap, and about 93% of jazz. I never respected rap, for example, until two things happened:
1. I saw Public Enemy open for Anthrax (with Primus). 3rd Row Center at the Orpheum in Boston. What a show. They were so good, so energetic, and had EVERYONE dancing and screaming by the end of their first song. I was totally impressed with them. (Anthrax's last three songs were so loud that it sounded like turning a TV to an unused channel. What a fuckin' show).
2. I saw L.L. Cool J's "Mama said Knock You Out" MTV Unplugged and sat there on the floor with my jaw hanging. Never before had I heard anything on MTV just friggin' ***GROOVE*** like that. He was, by far, the best Unplugged they ever had.
I'm not saying that I've been rushing out and buying up all sorts of rap albums since then. I'm merely saying that those two experiences helped me gain a (then) new-found respect for a previously ignored genre of music. I still don't like a LOT of rap, but now at least I can respect some of it.
>>Dead are, as far as I'm concerned. Apples and Oranges.) Does the fact that I >>respect the musician mean that I automatically have to respect the music >>they create? > > > Yes, absolutely.
Understood, though I don't have to like it (see above).
>>From: IceQD@aol.com >>This person seems to enjoy nit-picking and obviously wants to be someone!! >>Makes me wonder how old ........ > > But maybe before >you make a concerted effort to start some kind of flame war with me you >should seek the counsel of some jammers that have been around this list a >bit longer than you.
Agreed. Ever see a sacrifice to the Blood God? Or Baal? That's kind of what like debating with Chris is like. Though Chris isn't as flagrantly messy.
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:32:03 -0500 From: Josh Brand <jbrand@mtu.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: LTE live... in chicago please! Message-ID: <369F5F73.29E69194@mtu.edu>
In the last 'jam, Juli cursed/pleaded:
>DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT no LTE in Chicago??!! >Come on Santa Mike Chicago is inbetween New York and LA can't ya just >swing in and play a show?
> Please for the sake of humanity play Chicago, > Juli
I second that emotion. Come on, Mike, can't you convince the other guys to stop in on your way across the country? Think of it, you'd be getting 'jammers from Minnesota, Michigan, Ohio, Missouri, Illinois, Wisonsin... you get the idea. For crying out loud, I'm in _Houghton_, Michigan. Do you know where that is? Short answer: someplace you will never play. So go to Chicago, if not for the sake of humanity, then for the sake of ytse-nuts willing to lease their soul to see you four live. Think about it... thanks.
Josh -- I _should_ want to meet Derek and shake his hand. I should _not_ want to keep him in a jar in my basement.
--From a meeting of 'The Guy Who Plays Keys In DT Fanclub'
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 03:09:13 +0000 From: "Daniel Koo" <z2228593@pop3.student.unsw.edu.au> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Munchings and Crunchings Message-ID: <199901151614.DAA02511@rufus.comms.unsw.EDU.AU>
>> to rap for a while and then decided, "Hey, you know what,this sucks. I >> don't like rap. It's not a worthwhile form of >> music, as far as I'm concerned." Maybe that person's opinion will change in >> time (like mine did), but if not, then >> you can't fault the person for being close-minded when they gave it a fair >> shot.
>yes, you can. there's no way someone can have heard every single rap >artist who put out music. not everything classified as "rap" sounds >the same, just as DT doesn't sound like symphony x. you can't judge >an entire category by a small part of it. you can say "i haven't >heard any rap that i liked". fine. but to say that you've listened >and decided that all rap sucks makes no sense. it's the same as >saying that all black guys suck.
but what if you do not like the qualities inherent in that genre? just as you can say you don't like drinking poison cos it hurts your tummy, you don't have to have ingested every poison there is to know that you don't like _all_ types of poison.
otherwise it'd be pretty hard to come up with things that you can have negative opinions about, no?
- I don't like beer - how can you say that when you haven't tried every single beer from every single tap (no bottles nor cans, please :) in the world? - cos I don't like alcohol, I don't like feeling tipsy - ... oh.
(actually I'd still suggest that person try some Guinness on tap anyway, even though it's still alcoholic. but I digress..)
>there's no way you've met all of them. (warning i'm not implying >that black guys suck, just that it's the same kind of thinking) even >if for some reason every single person with dark skin you've met in >your life has
isn't it funny that we say it is possible to say that you like something (e.g. genre of music) if you just like a subset of that "something" (e.g. a particular band) but you can't say that you dislike that "something" even if you dislike a subset of it(e.g. 1 or more bands from that genre)?
just an observation. :)
someone whip me with sun-dried banana peels if I ever use "subset" in a non-maths (math to most of you) related message again.
dan.ramble.on
P.S. hey Gaz... it's been a while since I'd "spoken" to you hasn't it? like a year. :P DTC: TAMP from disc 2 kickz ass :)
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:21:46 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: RealAudio decompressing Message-ID: <369F6B1A.E42972B@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:51:46 -0200 (EDT) > From: rbrito@ime.usp.br (Rogerio Brito) > Subject: Re: RealAudio decompressing > > First, the method of compression used with Real Audio > files (like said above) is lossy.
Which means I was right!
> Second, it *is* possible for a file compressed with a lossless > method to be smaller than the original file, because the > representation of data often contains redundancy.
That's true!
> It's a concept based on the homonymous concept from thermo-dynamics > and the higher the entropy of a file, the less compressible it is.
Eat this, Newton! :) --
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:45:19 EST From: MFishook@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Vinnie Paul Message-ID: <ee9a44f3.369f709f@aol.com>
I saw VP on TV Live with Pantera recently. He was using DDrum triggers. No Mics. Unless they are inside? He is a great drummer regardless.
Matt
In a message dated 99-01-14 21:37:06 EST, you write:
<< As a fellow Pantera fan and VP worshipper, I must comment. First off, Vinnie not only is a great drummer, but is the man when it comes to getting a good sound out of ANYTHING. He engineered their live sound for a long time (he may still), and has always had what I consider to be a PERFECT drum sound for their music. The toms are extremely resonant, and if you've ever been to a Pantera show on the FLOOR, the toms shake the earth (I remember it very vividly during "This Love"). Anyway, he duct-tapes quarters onto the heads to get a little 'click', which assures you can hear the attack of the bass drum over everything else that is happening. This is one reason why his sound is so sharp and tight, but a lot has to do with mic placement (and selection) as well. David Dixon, MCP >>
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