YTSEJAM Digest 4603
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4602
by "Todd Fostvedt" <tfostvedt@csu.org>
2) Universal Mind's closers
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
3) Redundant Awards
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
4) Barrett vs Gilmour
by "Antony Gelberg" <antony@antgel.demon.co.uk>
5) Re: TTT intro
by "A_Change of_Seasons" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com>
6) Re: My "take" on the TTT intro
by Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net>
7) RAIN CHEQUE MP3 Available!!!!!
by Stixntrixx@aol.com
8) Re: i hope derek gets hit by a truck
by "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com>
9) Crimson Glory Questions
by MTeiper@aol.com
10) Re: Barrett vs Gilmour
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
11) guess what?
by =?Windows-1252?Q?Mats_Rydstr=F6m?= <d94-mry@nada.kth.se>
12) Exactly how many people sucribe to this thing?
by "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com>
13) Re: The Next Step
by Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
14) Re: Derek <> Jordan
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
15) I hope that maxverran@hotmail.com gets hit by a truck
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
16) Looney Tunes...
by "maX Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4600
by "maX Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
18) Re: Randomness
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:11:20 -0700
From: "Todd Fostvedt" <tfostvedt@csu.org>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4602
Message-ID: <87256700.007F6DE7.00@nd-mta01.csu.org>
maX queried:
> I think D.C. Cooper from AOI is one totally awesome singer. What band
>is he from?
DC Cooper sings for Royal Hunt.......
Later,
Nigel
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:23:09 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Universal Mind's closers
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9901212118150.28592-100000@jaca>
Well, I'd like to say thank you very much for you people that
corrected me when I said that the closer of LTE's "Universal Mind" was
"The Entertainer". I didn't know that song at first and a friend from the
US said that it was a folklore song of your country and that it's name
was "The Entertainer". Seeing that it's name is "The Entrance of the
Gladiators" I can understand why he got confused (but now I don't even
know if it's safe to assume that it's a folklore song from the US). :-)
Anyway, thank you very much for your input.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:34:49 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Redundant Awards Message-ID: <199901212334.PAA15127@gms.gmsnet.com>
I hereby announce the first YTSEJAM Redundant Awards... for posters who post religiously about the same topic, religiously... or who are constantly being... something...
Trent - Derek wronged him in another life... he has a vendetta. Max Verran - The winner of the ZERO post.. ZERO content, ZERO fat. Icq Queen - If stupidity could be measured quantifiably... infinity would be a fraction of the quantity...
-The Doc
-- > drkhoe@gmsnet.com > http://progmetal.gmsnet.com > Windows will rule the world... and one day, you'll have to reboot the entire > thing cause it'll crash.
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:39:47 -0000 From: "Antony Gelberg" <antony@antgel.demon.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Barrett vs Gilmour Message-ID: <001901be4597$5e5109a0$5b50dec2@antgel.demon.co.uk>
>Might I bring up another prog band, >Pink Floyd. THeir first guitarist, Syd Barrett, was considered a genius, an innovator, and >the biggest creative force in Pink Floyd. Syd's brain got so fried on LSD, that they HAD to >kick him out of the band, it couldnt have gone otherwise. But you know what? They got >Dave Gilmour. A MUCH more better guitarist and songwriter than Syd IMO. And look at >where they've gone since then - Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, songs like >Dogs and Comfortably Numb.
Not strictly true. Roger Waters wrote most of the cool shit after Barrett's departure. And when he left, Floyd were never as good. (IMHO) At the end of the day, will DT always sack someone when someone more suited comes along? Surely that's not condusive to good band chemistry or longetivity. Whoever said they hope this is the last change hit the nail on the head. --- Antony
Email: antony@antgel.demon.co.uk or gelberga@dcs.kcl.ac.uk
ICQ: 26767777
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:51:49 PST From: "A_Change of_Seasons" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: TTT intro Message-ID: <19990121235150.17252.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hey Kyle....
>I commented in an earlier post about the intro to Take the >Time. Anyone notice that the time gets really screwy around bar >9?? I cant figure it out for sure, anyone have a clue? >Polyrhythm? Overlapping time sig??
Okay, Kyle, here's the scoop. First of all if you count it out -- the intro I mean, you will be able to tell that it is in 4/4 until you hit the 12/8 section. The bass keeps the same pattern throughout the intro. What JP and Mikey did was work out the pattern back to the spot they started. the reason I say this is because they start on an off beat. (they don't start on a downbeat of 1) Now If you listen to the bass part the first time thru and then listen to the guitar/drum/keys part that overlaps that you will find that they both come to a downbeat of 1 at the start of the 12/8 section.
I really don't know how to explain it in further detail without physically showing you the transcriptions that I have. But I do know this. 1) The intro, once the bass starts, is all in 4/4. And then after that whole section it moves right into 12/8. (which is basically 4/4 in triplets.
Hope this helps, (if at all) "POJ" =o) ****************************** "Seize the day!", I heard him say. "Life will not always be this way. Look around. Hear the sounds. Cherish your life, while you're still around!" ****************************** A Change Of Seasons -- By Dream Theater Email me <appoggiatura@hotmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:04:01 -0600 From: Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: My "take" on the TTT intro Message-ID: <36A7C071.4013205C@wavetech.net>
>okay, let's break this thing down. >1) The first rhythm pattern to enter is the synth bass >Figure 1 - 4/4 >|x | x x |x | >|1 e & a |2 e & a |3 e & a |4 e & a >This is important because it sets up the common time feel which gives >everything else its syncopated and twisting feel.
(snip)
beautiful. It makes perfect sense. I couldn't get it right because I was trying to feel the key/snare part in 4/4 triplets:
|x x xxx x xxx x x x xxx x xxx x x x xxx x |1&a 2&a 3&a 4&a |1&a 2&a 3&a 4&a |1&a 2&a 3&a 4&a |1&a 2&a 3&a 4&a xxx x |1&a |full band comes in...
I just couldn't find a way for that to work out theoretically with the bass 4/4 pattern (unless there were two different tempos).
Beautiful. ;)
-Kyle
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:11:49 EST From: Stixntrixx@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: RAIN CHEQUE MP3 Available!!!!! Message-ID: <296fa698.36a7c245@aol.com>
Hey everyone! While I'm still getting over the Derek/Jordan shock, I wanted to let you know that my band, RAIN CHEQUE (featuring members of the once Chris "The Digital Man Merlo" fronted band Nine Miles), has just agreed to let MP3.com put one of our songs up on their website. Please visit http://www.mp3.com/music/Rock/7268.html and download the song "Serenade." It's more pop than prog, but from the above mp3 site you can access our wesbite and listen to other, more proggish songs (three of which were co-written by the D- Man himself) if that's your thing. If you like what you hear, order the CD "Beauty Before Change." It's our goal to top the Weekly MP3 Top 40 Chart, and that can only happen if people who love a good melody and musical proficieny head on over to the site and download the song. Thanks in advance for your support.
Richie
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:18:00 PST From: "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: i hope derek gets hit by a truck Message-ID: <19990122001801.19653.qmail@hotmail.com>
Ya know, you could at least be nice to the guy. I mean, it must've taken a lot of balls for a former DT member to send an e-mail to a mailing list full of immature dickheads like you. Like his work or not, he has a lot of talent and deserves better. My first and only comment on this whole Derek/Jordan thing.
Trent
>support!! ha!!!! support a rake up your ass you fucking bastard!! > > >>"it is true, I was replaced by Jordan Rudess. >> >>anyway i am ok, and working on my solo record >>that will be out on magna carta in MAY. >> >>thank you for all of your support, and please stay in touch!! >>your friend, Derek" > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:25:04 EST From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Crimson Glory Questions Message-ID: <2b7e8128.36a7c560@aol.com>
Hey All -
We interrupt the regularly scheduled (and ongoing for FAR too long) Jordan/Derek debate to bring some NDTC:
What's the deal with the latest Crimson Glory album? Is it out? Is it coming out? What's the title? (I've seen "Astronomica" and "IV" listed). I can't seem to be able to find any reliable info on this. I've done web searches on the band, and I found one page that says that the album is out and that you can get it at CDEurope. Well, I went to CDEurope, and BOTH titles in their database, and the release date was something like "3/21/17". WTF?!?!? Anyway, if anyone has ANY CG info they can pass along, I'd really appreciate it. Also, is there an "official" web site out there for the band where I can find some factual information?
Thanx, Jammerz.... Matt T.
NP: Angra "Fireworks"
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:06:34 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Barrett vs Gilmour Message-ID: <36a7dd296b97001@mhub3.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:50:49 -0800 (PST) from "Antony Gelberg" <antony@antgel.demon.co.uk>:
> Not strictly true. Roger Waters wrote most of the cool shit after > Barrett's departure. And when he left, Floyd were never as good. > (IMHO) At the end of the day, will DT always sack someone when someone > more suited comes along? Surely that's not condusive to good band > chemistry or longetivity. Whoever said they hope this is the last > change hit the nail on the head.
Well, Dark Side, The Wall, Wish You Were Here, Animals, etc. have a lot of great songs, and are very good albums. But, imo, Division Bell absolutely destroys them. Something about the low-key delivery and the slow, haunting guitar that just nails me to the wall.
-Brian
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 03:21:38 +0100 From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Mats_Rydstr=F6m?= <d94-mry@nada.kth.se> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: guess what? Message-ID: <009f01be45ae$06b7fde0$1f25ed82@default>
Ok, after the initial thoughts have been processed...
.from what I heard from the Concrete Foundations gig and LTE I had the greatest respect for Jordan, (even though his organ sound on LTE is a joke). TTT and the things he did to CiaW and Lie were very good, though, and he complements LTE excellently with great leads and good rhythm work. He is a wonder-kid, obviously, having studied at Juilliard before age 10 et cetera, (Juilliard's NO FUCKING GUARANTEE ;-) and I don't doubt he's technically hotter than both KevMo and Mr Lemons. The question is... well, what is the question really?
I went back to listen some more to RMP, to find out more about Jordan, and I was shocked. If DT heads in a direction anywhere near this record I will lose interest, the general record buying public will lose interest and that will not be what I had hoped for DT. RMP is in it's genre a good record, but it's IMO elevator music, fuzak, keyboard-demo-songs (no coincidence, Jordan does such things for Kurzweil) or video game's music. It's not that it ain't heavy. That's not even an issue. It touches me very little. After 10+ listens the last couple of days still mostly meritless, except for technical prowess, which matters very little to me. I know these are harsh words, but to me it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing. With some production and structure it could've been enhanced and made listenable. But it definitely lacks the intensity of LTE, Joe Satriani's The Extremist and other good instrumental records, prog or not. I found it utterly boring. Who am I to state this? Well no one but so's everyone else. I don't really doubt he will be fantastic in the context of Dream Theater, since creative compromises are always necessary. But I fear that DT as a whole might lose momentum, direction, and eventually success.
To me, Derek was excactly what DT needed more of. Let's face it, prog is goofy nerd music and any influences apart from progressive rock are necessary if anything worthwhile is to come out. DT is great because of the variety of influences embraced, as the case with Zep and other greats. Derek added some rock'n'roll that I found made the end result that much better. No offense, but IMhighlysubjectiveO most of the neo prog metal bands I've forced myself to listen to, incl. Kamelot and Shadow Gallery, turned out to be crap. In 91 DT was THE THING. Now that thing is very much yesterday's news and they need to move forward. To make *THE* progressive music of the 21st century a lot more than just twiddling 12th-notes up and down the scales needs to be done. I don't say DT is even close to that problem, but the consensus in the YJ and PM camps are still that musical wanking is the highest order of art. What DT's always been to me is so much more than that, something that the copycats fail to deliver.
Don't believe everything you read in european metal magazines. The problem with non-US/UK rock journalists (as myself) can be put in 5 words: often very bad english skills. Often to the point that statements are completely misinterpreted and lies fabricated. But hey, so what if Mr Lemons told an interviewer what he liked and didn't like. That's the whole point of music journalism - extracting statements. What more facts than date of birth and name are there? And Marilyn Manson is about the only good thing to have happened to hard rock and popular culture in the late 90's, on a broader scale. Some people on this list are so caught up in the 12th notes that they miss the music being played and the meaning and message behind it all.
Well, whatever will be will be... I don't really doubt the next DT record with or without Kevin, Derek or Jordan will be good. I just wish things had turned out another way, but they didn't and I can live with it. Derek's probably going to do just fine without DT, as they without him. The Way It Used To Be should be produced, released as a single, and marketed towards the mainstream. Met2 released as an EP. And Derek should join King's X.
You gave your opinions, I gave mine. If my post annoys you that's what you need to be. Fuck you, fuck you very much! (in the immortal words of Leila K). And I hope the band DOES NOT read and take ANY note or consideration of all this debate, they're the artists and we're only here to observe and to bitch. They rule, we buy. Simple as that. BTW, I wish more than anything that I could be at The Bowery Ballroom tomorrow night, but alas...
Mats - lucifer-sam@usa.net - www.nada.kth.se/~d94-mry
NP: 1) Sly & the Family Stone - Stand! 2) Cake - Fashion Nugget 3) Psychotic Waltz - Into the Everflow 4) Cathedral - Caravan Beyond Redemption 5) All Saints - All Saints
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:33:27 -0800 From: "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Exactly how many people sucribe to this thing? Message-ID: <000001be45af$97e4cc20$3765f7cc@markphil>
Jam,
I was just wondering exactly how many people are on this thing?
(Just a little change of pace from the current rabbid discussion)
Mark griphiam@ccnet.com
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:52:55 -0800 (PST) From: Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: The Next Step Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990121182915.3944A-100000@crane.cds.caltech.edu>
On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> > Subject: Re: The Next Step > > > Do you have any idea how unlikely that is?! They're more likely to get > > a different singer before they ditch singing altogether. Instrumentals > > will only take you so far and then you need LYRICS, and someone to SING > > the LYRICS. I sure hope you were kidding or high drunk or something > > when you posted that. > > When Dream Theater was in between singers, they at one point > considered becoming an instrumental band... At least, that's > what I remember reading back then. Yeah, and I don't think that was just a rumor either. I would love to see DT go all-instrumental. On their albums, they could have guest spots from a bunch of other players and crap like that. Just go off. And what I mean by "guest spots" is large contributions on a track or two from the guest artist, as opposed to itty-bitty little solos like that Beckenstein guy did at the end of Another Day. I have a hunch, though, that it'll never happen. Just seems like that's not what the band is interested in doing, like DT is just DT, and that's it. Well, heh...it's their band, I guess:). This just came to mind because I have a couple of fusion CDs where that happens. One of the players on the CD is replaced by another, or another player is just added to the band, for a track or two on the CD. I've been wondering for some time now if this would work with DT. Anyway, back to the books.
Younis Hilal------------------------yhilal@cds.caltech.edu
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:20:22 -0600 From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Derek <> Jordan Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990121212022.0084f300@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
the real reason of why he was kicked out is because he was lusting after portnoy and james
At 11:31 AM 19/01/99 -0800, ToxicSheep@aol.com wrote: > > Derek is the man!, and I wish him luck on his solo album. Did everyone >catch that? Someone posted saying that it would come out May on Magna >Carta... --- http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/2025/
Alan Estrada Adler, ICQ #9267174 Monterrey, Mexico -------------------------------------------------------- TAKE NOTE OF MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: alan_estrada@bigfoot.com
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:32:39 -0800 From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: I hope that maxverran@hotmail.com gets hit by a truck Message-ID: <36A7F156.D16B1374@ucla.edu>
Everyone deserves the right to express their own opinion, but MaX, you have gone a bit too far. I get the jam in digest, and every single f-ing topic is from you. If that isn't enough, as if you couldn't cram what little if any intelligent things you have to say into one post, you post about 12 times in a row and repeat yourself. Im being a complete bitch about this so maybe you will understand how it is when someone calls you a "stupid ass murfa". Id rather read people complaining about the keyboard switch. In regards to James and his singing, the guy is just awesome. People have trouble understanding my every day speech, and I sure know that he can sing higher than me, so Im not one to criticize his occasional stumbling over the words and lack of enunciation. Just for the record, James was right on at the Xmas shows (my first DT shows). I was truly amazed and grateful that I was there.
flame on, ~~Amanda
"You will respect my authoritah!" -- Eric Cartman
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:02:26 PST From: "maX Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Looney Tunes... Message-ID: <19990122040227.26033.qmail@hotmail.com>
> OK. The only problem with LTE were the slower tracks (except track2 > rules), and that stupid closer in Universal Mind.
>>>Hey... everytime when I hear that part it brings a smile to my face... It's so funny... It really sounds like had four guys just had a goodtime for a couple of weeks... I think it's brilliant.<<<
I guess I just take music too seriously. When I first heard theat close, I (and my friend too) was like "Awww, MAN! NOOOOOO! What have they DONE?!?! They RUINED it!" It's like the best stuff in the world and then "That's all, folks!"
-maX
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:13:02 PST From: "maX Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4600 Message-ID: <19990122041304.19721.qmail@hotmail.com>
>>>Anyway, maX said that he don't like the "stupic closer" [sic]. And why say that like an absolute truth? I happen to agree with Zaphod. I think that the closer (which, if you don't know, is called "The Entertainer") gives the album an irreverent feel -- that is, if youthink that only Derek Sherinian can bring fun to Dream Theater, you're not looking hard enough into what Jordan can come up with the other guys. Again, back to the main topic of my message: please, people realize that different people have different choices because they've collected different experiences during their lives and no opinion is "righter" than any other. Be open minded and learn to respect other people's opinions. Your posts reflect upon yourself. Be proud of them. []s, Roger...<<<
You're an idiot. How the Hell else was I supposed to say it? "That closer which only sounded to ME like a closer which to my ears sounded really stupid but I don't want to offend anybody's tree hugging new age inner children so if you like it then please please please don't be offended"?????
I never said you were wrong to like it. So shut up.
-maX
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:10:14 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Randomness Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990121231014.007ddd70@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
To respond to some of this, if I were able to find the email link to bogie's site, there would've been no posting here, but since I couldn't find anything, the only recourse was to bring it to the Jam. i thought I threw smileys in there somewhere, but if i didn't, then here are a few to make up. :0 :0 :) :)
OK, I can't do smileys, sue me. At 09:34 PM 1/20/1999 -0800, you wrote: > > Christopher Files wrote: > > >Oh, and may I just poke fun at the moron who was "publically embarrassing" > >the guy who maintains the Lines in the Sand site. Oh dear, he didn't cater > >to your disability. I'm sure he's turned several shades of pink in > >embarrassment. > >Next time, email him and ask him to do something about it. > > Well, if I remember correctly, this is Damon you're talking about. Don't > rip Damon, he's the man :) Yeah, maybe his idea of putting it on the jam > wasn't the greatest thing he's ever done, but did you ever think that > Bogie's site (dreamtheater.mit.edu) was perhaps so POORLY designed that > Damon could not even get to his email so that he could email him directly?! > > On to my next thoughs...as though you cared. :) > > Joe DeAngelo wins the award for being the best poster to jam #4597. In case > you didn't, read what he wrote AGAIN because this man speaks the truth: > >THE LAST WORD: > >People, be honest with me (and yourselves) for a moment: How often has > >Dream Theater let you down? The answer is probably either NEVER, or > >VERY, VERY RARELY. > > This is SO VERY TRUE. Dream Theater is quite amazing...I must admit I > really had no clue just HOW much they've done for us until I received one of > Mark Bredius' mailings in which he listed all the various things DT, or > members of, had done in the year 1998. I thought the damn thing was never > going to end, I just kept scrolling down! Point being, this band does so > much...and yet there's always some complaint from some ungrateful asshole... > > Let me take this further. The other day, I received a CDR copy of the > Rotterdam fan club show and I'm just amazed by the overall product. Except > for one thing. Whoever designed the artwork, and came up with the name, > should be drawn and quartered. The title is, for those of you who don't > know, "Once In A Livetime, the way it should be..." I'm sorry, but this > really pisses me off, that someone decided to just throw in those 5 > words...I'm not going to make any comments about the OIAL that we are > blessed to have, but I will say, do you think maybe there's a reason WHY > they chose to put the Paris show on the offical CD?! I'm damn sure there > is!!! There are plenty of people out there who have never been to a DT > concert and to them, this is the closest they can get! And tell me, if you > were to see a DT show just ONCE in your life, would you really rather see > them play Metropolis I, maybe II, or some poppy Cover My Eyes? I think you > can see what I'm getting at.... The Rotterdam stuff is undeniably great > material, but thats what the 5YIAL is for! (I tend to think that more > diehard fans purchase the music videos...and diehard fans are more often the > ones who search after the rare material which the fan club show consisted > of) If you were so incredibly die hard, as am I, then you wanted to hear > the whole show yourself, and so you found someone to trade with you. > (Stress the trade, not buy.) So that brings us back to the original > point...the "way is should be.." Whoever designed that should be extremely > ashamed that they were to disgrace DT like that. I'm sure that all members > of the band, if they were to see that, would be hurt that some stupid fuck > ass fan was too ungrateful to appreciate ALL that DT has done for them and > to not understand why certain material was to be released. And yes, the fan > club show was partially released on the XMAS '98 CD. For info on joining > the fan club, go to www.dreamtheater.net I'm sure Itchy's got it there. > > So one last "fuck off" to the one who is responsible for the design of the > above mentioned bootleg, and one last "AMEN" to Joe DeAngelo for putting the > sentiments I've felt for so long into words. > > Scott. > > >
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