YTSEJAM Digest 4602

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4597
     by "maX Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
      2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4597
     by "maX Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
      3) FII/Awake...
     by "maX Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
      4) Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:}
     by "maX Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
      5) NAMM in LA
     by Batray3@aol.com
      6) Derek's clothes
     by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
      7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4598
     by "maX Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
      8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4598
     by "maX Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
      9) Re: Best Move DT Ever Made...
     by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
     10) Re: the derek thread. come on , dont you have lives ???
     by AyameYuki@aol.com
     11) last for now
     by "maX Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
     12) Re: I hope Derek gets hit by a truck
     by "W. Tugmutton" <tugmutton@toast.net>
     13) Re: "Twelve year old idiots"
     by "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
     14) Make it worth while...please.
     by Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
     15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4601
     by "jason braswell" <funkbreath@hotmail.com>
     16) james
     by "jason braswell" <funkbreath@hotmail.com>

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    Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:51:15 PST
    From: "maX Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@axnet.net
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4597
    Message-ID: <19990121205115.8300.qmail@hotmail.com>

    >>>Quit trying to be cool, we all know you have a closet full of >Elton
    John albums.

    >What's wrong with Elton John albums?

    NOTHING! I WANT TO BE IMPREGNATED BY ELTON JOHN! THE FETUS WILL
    GESTATEIN
    MY TONSILS!!

    -Brian<<<

    You guys are fkn twisted.

    -maX

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    Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:03:27 PST
    From: "maX Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@axnet.net
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4597
    Message-ID: <199901212103.NAA11505@f69.hotmail.com>

    Isaac Trumbo choked on Elton John's sperm:

    >>>i hate derek and always have and have always said so!!!
    anyone who supports him obviously hasn't read an interview with him..
    he admits openly to disliking prog and even dream theater..
    he's a pompous ass prick that needs to get kicked in the head..
    just watch he'll go join some lame ass hard rock band like whitesnake or
    somethin.. fuck him.. glad he's gone.. Viva La Jordan!!!<<<

    You stupid ass murfa.

    That was "Nicky Lemons" and he was JOKING. It was supposed to be funny.
    But I guess you're too thick-headed to realize that.

       But now it's time to say that Joe DeAngelo's post talked some sense
    into me. Maybe it's not TOTALLY fked up.

    -maX

    NP: Billy Idol - Rebel Yell
        Fates Warning - Chasing Time
        Explorers Club - Age Of Impact

    HEY GUYS!

    I found Explorers Club at CIRCUIT CITY!

    Magna Carta takes over the music stores little by little...

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    Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:08:18 PST
    From: "maX Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@axnet.net
    Subject: FII/Awake...
    Message-ID: <19990121210819.11649.qmail@hotmail.com>

    >To me, Awake was the low point.

    >>>I beg to differ!!! GOD I LOVE THAT CD!!!

    But maybe this proves a point somewhere....I have a friend who likes
    FII and ACOS much more than I/W and Awake....I am the opposite,
    although I love them all, my fav's are still Awake and I/W.
    Isn't it cool how they can appeal to different variations of prog taste?

    DT RULEZ :):)

    Dave Hatlee<<<

       Actually, my faves are ACOS and WDADU.

    /me wonders if anyone "WTF!?!"s me for that...

    -maXXXXXXXX

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    Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:21:50 PST
    From: "maX Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@axnet.net
    Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:}
    Message-ID: <19990121212151.24278.qmail@hotmail.com>

    > Show up at Toys-R-US wearing a slinky french maid's outfit and swim
    > flippers and see what kind of reaction the clientele has.

    Hey, I did that once! (no, not really)

    >>>I guess a real, mature person lacks the ability to
    appreciate good natured joking. Funny to hear that coming from all of
    you that have been writing all this bullshit on here for the last few
    months I have subscribed, but it's cool- I know you're just a bunch of
    big fucking assholes anyway.<<<

    Well, since you have declared us all to be assholes, I guess I'll just
    have to live up to that. Fuck off and get off our list.

    >>>I think it's safe to guess that Jordan would write his own keys solo
    sections
    for the new Met II, not just play what Derek had written. And I'm quite
    sure they won't drop Met II--it's rumored to be completely written,
    andthe
    band KNOWS how much we're anticipating its release, and I would imagine
    it's
    something that JP really wants to release as a completion(continuation?)
    to
    Part 1.>>>

       Well, not like I can do aything to them if they don't, but they
    BETTER put Met II on it!

    And I do think it would be too cool if sometime 6 years from now they
    come up with a Met III.

    -maX

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    Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:14:51 EST
    From: Batray3@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@axnet.net
    Subject: NAMM in LA
    Message-ID: <c3913bc9.36a798cb@aol.com>

    Hey Jammers ---

    Okay, consider it begging!!!!!

    I really need a pass for NAMM in LA.

    Or the "credentials" to get my own.

    Can anyone help me out?

    _____Nikki_______________________
    ~~Through Nature's Inflexible Grace~~
    ~~I'm Learning to Live. --J. Myung~~

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    Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:42:11 -0600 (CST)
    From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
    To: ytsejam@axnet.net
    Subject: Derek's clothes
    Message-ID: <1999121162720541@ix.netcom.com>

    <<What she said was that IN
    MUSIC there's no call to judge somebody by how they dress. At least not
    in rock music. >>

    Actually, clothing does carry some weight. Ive read before (in some "how to form
    a band" book) that it is suggested that the band establish a physical image that
    reflects their music. For a death metal band to go on stage in tuxedos and short
    hair may add a certain strangeness to their presence on stage, it really isnt what is
    going to happen. In Derek's case, the rest of the band was in t shirts and jeans,
    and he was in see-through shirts and leather pants. Didnt quite fit.

    Matt

    =====================================================
    "A daily dose of eMpTyV "Following our instinct
    will flush your mind not a trend. Go against
    right down the drain." the grain until the end."
                                                                                           
             -Dream Theater -Metallica
    =====================================================

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    Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:39:09 PST
    From: "maX Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@axnet.net
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4598
    Message-ID: <19990121213911.4406.qmail@hotmail.com>

    >>>Mike Portnoy

    PS - That's right...
    With all the questions & comments flying around here right now, I
    mustchoose
    to NOT comment on it for a while....
    Everything you need to know for now is in the press release if you
    readit
    carefully enough.<<<

    Well, this caught my attention...

    "After our experiences of working with Jordan in LTE, we came to the
    decision that his playing, writing and personality was more
    representative of where we would like to take Dream Theater into the
    21st century."

       I guess he just didn't work well with the band anymore.
    But this time, the band saw it before derek did.

    >>>Im sick and tired of hearing all this "DT kicked Derek out soIm
    pissed
    at them and Im quiting this list and they're not my favband anymore, and
    I thought they were better people than this, how could they kick him
    out" shit.
    You people
    bitch about Kevin not being in the band, then when they get a guy thats
    more suted
    for the band, and more like Kevin, you get upset. I cant even count the
    mass amountsof hypocrites on this list.<<<

       Well, I for one never bitched about Kevin being gone, and I think
    everyone who still whines about Kevin can shut the Hell up.

    >>>Try to understand this for Dream Theaterkicking out Derek. If
    they thought as a majority that they could take their music to where
    they wanted it with him
    in the band, he would still be in the band. So stop the "ask why"
    bitching. Live with it. And
    keep your mouths shut about the negative shit until you HEAR new
    material with JR on keys.

    (Matt steps off his soapbox)

    (and maybe into a fire?)<<<

       Well, maybe not.

    -maX

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    Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:47:32 PST
    From: "maX Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@axnet.net
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4598
    Message-ID: <19990121214733.7295.qmail@hotmail.com>

       Oh, sorry about the first part of that last post. Mentioned already.

    >>>James came through... he blew like a llama in heat...
    Too bad the llama left a pile of dung droppings called Falling Into
    Infinity on the bathroom floor... ah wells... Derek came up and mopped
    it
    right up afterwards...They never let me down...-The Doc<<<

       You can shut the Fuck up too, dickmunch.

    If you don't like Dream Theater's music, get off the damned list.

    I'm not saying you have to agree that FII is a great album, but DT loves
    it, and it's their latest (studio) work. Don't slam the band whose list
    you're subbed to.

    Even if you ignore the fact that Mike Portnoy just read you calling his
    latest DT album a pile of crap, WE (the real fans) take it personally.

    This is a Dream Theater fan list. And if anyone calles their music shit
    here, I'm going to your house to rape your sister.

    -maX

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    Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:53:06 PST
    From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@axnet.net
    Subject: Re: Best Move DT Ever Made...
    Message-ID: <19990121215307.17152.qmail@hotmail.com>

    Yeah, the old gothic looking font was much MUCH better than that new
    techy/cartoony lookin one. We should start a ytsepetition!

    Mike

    ----Original Message Follows----
    Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:45:26 -0800 (PST)
    Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com
    ]From: MaxArbot@aol.com
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: Best Move DT Ever Made...

    In a message dated 1/18/99 11:18:04 PM Central Standard Time, Paul
    Drapeau
    <paul@ageofvalor.com> writes:

    << Now if we can only get them to go back to the old "Dream Theater"
    font for
    the CD covers :) >>

    Yes, yes! Where do I sign the petition?

    [eriC]

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    Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:52:26 EST
    From: AyameYuki@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@axnet.net
    Subject: Re: the derek thread. come on , dont you have lives ???
    Message-ID: <81dc90bc.36a7a19a@aol.com>

    hey. im sick . here's my replies

    Yeah, derek's gone, i think he's a bastard. therefore the band thinks he's a
    bastard

     i could care less, RUDESS is a talent

    yes, JM SHOULD speak, but he still kicks ass on bass

    on LITS JM's line when the lyrics come in ; so totally kick ass, that ill
    sacrifice my own fender collection just for his yamaha 6.

    Playing Puppies on acid on Lead although im a bassist : totally ticks off the
    lead guitarist, which brought a smile to my face

     i dont care if derek's gay or not. HE"S OUT< GET OVER IT ALREADY

    i still think he's a big ass party pooper. go back to manson to deal your own
    drugs ok rookie ?

    Rudess will change DT, but i as well as many jammers havent been let down
    yet,. have we...

    and now, back to your real lives.

    nic,

    just my $ 4.35 dollars

    ps: GET OVER THIS THREAD> and this is the LAST FUCKING TIME ABOUT DEREK

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    Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:06:51 PST
    From: "maX Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@axnet.net
    Subject: last for now
    Message-ID: <19990121220652.29744.qmail@hotmail.com>

    >>>funny you should mention my Mr. Manson.. derek likes that lame ass a
    lot.. derek thinks he's revolutionizing music.. derek sucks ass<<<

    Okay. Marylin Manson needs to go to Hell. I'll send him there my own
    fking self. Derek's weird. But he's a great kb player, and he is a good
    showman, even if he is a bit tweaked in the head.

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    COMPLETELY UNRELATED

       I think D.C. Cooper from AOI is one totally awesome singer. What band
    is he from?

    thanX

    Now I'll quit taking up entire jams...

    -maX

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    Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:38:32 -0600
    From: "W. Tugmutton" <tugmutton@toast.net>
    To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
    Subject: Re: I hope Derek gets hit by a truck
    Message-ID: <000801be458e$c7094a60$d6dc1a93@tugmutton-.swt.edu>

    Ahoy,

    Isaac Trumbone wrote:

    >Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:58:45 PST
    >From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
    >To: ytsejam@axnet.net
    >Subject: i hope derek gets hit by a truck
    >Message-ID: <19990121185845.13848.qmail@hotmail.com>
    >
    >
    >support!! ha!!!! support a rake up your ass you fucking bastard!!
    >
    >
    >>"it is true, I was replaced by Jordan Rudess.
    >>
    >>anyway i am ok, and working on my solo record
    >>that will be out on magna carta in MAY.
    >>
    >>thank you for all of your support, and please stay in touch!!
    >>your friend, Derek"

         What was that for? Ever since he was no longer in the band there sure has been a
    lot of 'i hate Derek' flak floating around that wasn't there before. Correct me if
    I'm wrong (and I won't be) but did he do something against you personally once he
    joined? Your inability to deal with change beyond your control is a pretty big flaw
    and maybe you should work on it instead of acting like such a little child. We could
    call you the Musical Nazi. Also, in your reply to this, be it public or private,
    don't be saying anything like "Geez man, why don't you just chill out? I was only
    kidding! It was only my *opinion*!" People hide behind that one too much when they
    don't have the balls to back themselves up. If you've got such a problem with someone
    then don't buy the record.

                                        - Mark tugmutton@toast.net

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    Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:50:03 -0600
    From: "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
    To: ytsejam@axnet.net
    Subject: Re: "Twelve year old idiots"
    Message-ID: <36a7af1a36a9002@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>

    Responding to the message of <003c01be457b$173696a0$c4e74382@default>
    from ytsejam@ax.com:
    >
    >
    > ><<and if we wanted to hear from twelve year old=20
    > >idiots, we'd go to one who at least provides entertainment (mpm? you=20
    > >available?).>>>
    > >
    > >
    > >HEY! Im 15 ;-) 16 in March....
    > >
    > >Matt
    >
    > I'm 16. There's nothing wrong with that, is it?
    > I haven't heard anyone complaining about my "silly"
    > post's. He may be a jerk, what do I know? But don't
    > say that everybody that are about his age are idiot's!

    It was HUMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR! He supplied a non-abrasive comeback and a smiley
    face. How much clearer does it need to be for you, buddy?

    Keeereist, some people around here have had their panties crammed in their ass
    all week. Chill out, before we get a sudden rash of YtseCoronaries.

    Also, if there is any new miracle surgery for restoring either the senses of
    humor or perspective, I suggest that some of you sell all your possessions,
    including any children born or unborn, to finance these procedures.

    Thank you.

    Goodnight.

    -Brian

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    Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:54:08 -0600
    From: Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
    To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
    Subject: Make it worth while...please.
    Message-ID: <82CD0BD64E68D211BDA00060975B3ACF033190@BHAM-XCHG1.immpower.com>

    Guys,

    >From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
    >To: TheListFromTheDepthsOfHell <ytsejam@axnet.net>
    >Subject: Flame-fest

    This was soooo on the money - nice one, in fact possibly one of the top
    EOJ's I've ever seen. I would like to add to the whole flame thing
    though.... Those that have got interesting things to say about the
    changes to the family - cool, type away... Those (such as "Isaac
    Trumbo") who just want to slag people for the sake of it... either shut
    up, or (with luck) Skadz ought to Unsub you.

    I'm off for a long weekend, See ya Monday,

            Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama).

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    Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:55:01 PST
    From: "jason braswell" <funkbreath@hotmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@axnet.net
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4601
    Message-ID: <19990121225502.22560.qmail@hotmail.com>

      This has little to do with most of what else is being said, but I just
    wanted to make it known that I think JLB is the best vocalist I've ever
    heard; he gets so much shit.

                        jason

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    Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:55:14 PST
    From: "jason braswell" <funkbreath@hotmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@axnet.net
    Subject: james
    Message-ID: <19990121225514.8447.qmail@hotmail.com>

      This has little to do with most of what else is being said, but I just
    wanted to make it known that I think JLB is the best vocalist I've ever
    heard; he gets so much shit.

                        jason

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