YTSEJAM Digest 4605
Today's Topics:
1) Re: DT's collective wardrobe
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
2) Undeliverable: YTSEJAM digest 4604
by "Microsoft Exchange Connector for Lotus cc:Mail at FMMSX21" <IMCEACCMAIL-Microsoft+20Exchange+20Connector+20for+20Lotus+20cc+3AMail+20at+20FMMSX21@mail.intel.com>
3) MaX the MORON
by Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
4) A rarely seen thought on the big news...
by ShadowBor@aol.com
5) Superior, Stratoo, Angra - LIVE!!!
by "Charlie Farrell" <Charlie_Farrell@email.msn.com>
6) Words of wisdom
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
7) Chris Merlo's band URL Please
by JE78674@ltu.edu
8) recent flames
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
9) Re: I don't see the problem
by Computer Jim DTFOTL <jpepe@typhoon.lightning.net>
10) Re: a message from Derek
by Computer Jim DTFOTL <jpepe@typhoon.lightning.net>
11) Thank you... Thank you very much.
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
12) NAMM NAMM NAMM NAMM
by "Nick Guadagnoli" <progrockboy@linkline.com>
13) Clothes and apologies
by Evan + Vanessa Thomson <evanessa@mira.net>
14) Various replies
by Big Swifty <swifty@auburn.net>
15) Awake
by David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:00:56 -0800
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: DT's collective wardrobe
Message-ID: <199901220700.XAA21012@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., szebro1@gl.umbc.edu thus begged:
>
>So, it appears that the only once-or-ever DT member who ever demanded to
>look different than anyone else was everyone's beloved Kevin Moore.
>Derek's wardrobe and stage antics do NOT make him "stick out like a sore
>thumb" as you people are so find of saying. They INTENSIFIED the show,
>and brought out the performance in all members of the band. That will
>most definitely be missed in the upcoming incarnation of Dream Theater.
Yeah man... I love that INTENSITY... those pelvic thrusts... whoohaw...
I felt that strip club atmosphere... who's onstage?? Some lame ass
progrock/metal whatever band... forget them... who's this guy in the tight
shiny pants with the nice silk shirt grinding over those lava lamps??
Man, you don't know how many times I wanted to stick a dollar in his
keyboard... oh man... it was just so hot... who cares if he could play
keyboards or not... forget the music... it was all about his carnal
movements, the way he caressed those keys... oooooh yeah... man, he could've
been playing polka...
Kevin Moore? Forget that wuss... he just played keys... who cares if he
played them really good... who cares if he looked like the rest of that
dumb band... who cares if the music was good... he didn't have that
INTENSITY... he didn't oooooze sex appeal... yeah... fuck that... it's all
about stage antics...
-The Doc
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:06:02 +1100 From: Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: MaX the MORON Message-ID: <36A8235A.FFEEFFD@ozemail.com.au>
Max your foulth mouthed vulgar language impresses NO one. The posts are not funny in the slightest. Your ragging on people cos they have a different opinion to you is a sure sign that the are an immature little boy who needs to grow up. I think you should seek some professional help. I seriously doubt that you are a Dream Theater fan, because no fan would speak to other fans like you do.
Please do us all a favour go away and don't post anymore of your verbal diahoria to this list. The other 1500 or so members of this list thank you in advance for this.
gaz
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 02:16:31 EST From: ShadowBor@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: A rarely seen thought on the big news... Message-ID: <5a983e7d.36a825cf@aol.com>
I offer two thoughts for reading: 1.) An analogy: If it's a rainy day, it's a rainy day. Some people don't like rainy days, but it's going to be a rainy day none the less. One has every right to complain and say it sucks and they don't like rainy days, but I think getting mad and calling each other names while fun is counterproductive and perhaps ultimately a waste of one's time. One who responds to such with the same IS the same - perception is reality (a jam or two ago, someone's response to someone else ended with "This is a Dream Theater fan list. And if anyone calles their music shit here, I'm going to your house to rape your sister." I agree with the message behind it, but that last part while perhaps meant it humorously offended me a bit). When you insult someone or try to make your point aggressively, the person your talking to doesn't care what you're saying - they'll only care that you're talking shit to them. Even if they deserve it. It's like someone yelling at you - do you think about what they're saying, or just think "shut the fuck up!"? Anyway, we are Dream Theater fans - we are not Dream Theater. They did what they think is right - it's like breaking up with someone. It may hurt one or more of the parties involved and friends as well, but it's life. Although there may be more to it, they seem to have left on decent terms. At least it wasn't ugly like Van Halen and Sammy (although I guess we have yet to see that). 2.) I liked Kevin Moore. Although my personal taste prefered Kevin,I like Derek too. He was perfect for the music of FII and sounded great on ACOS. I have yet to hear Jordan with DT, but I'm sure I'll enjoy it at least somewhat as well. My thoughts.
Rock on Rob
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 01:29:11 -0000 From: "Charlie Farrell" <Charlie_Farrell@email.msn.com> To: "Ytsejam list" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Superior, Stratoo, Angra - LIVE!!! Message-ID: <00b1c5128071619UPIMSSMTPUSR06@email.msn.com>
OK guys,
so I've become one of the select group of Jammers to catch Bernd and the boys live. There were at least two other Jammers present (if we include the celebrated Mr Johannsen), but I haven't seen anyone else post a review, so I'll make a stab at a review.
The concert took place at 'Le Zenith' in Paris, France on Saturday 16th Jan. The big headlining gig of Angra's tour of France and at a venue holding up to about 6000 (I believe). Informed sources claimed that there were around 4500 present that evening (including guests) and Superior were the ''special guest' and 3rd on the bill - not a bad little opportunity for the band to make themselves known to a wider audience and possibly the biggest audience they'd ever played in front of.
Unfortunately the soundchecks for Angra and Strato must have over-run for the doors opened 1/2 hour late, leaving Superior a mere 30 mins to prepare themselves for their spot at 7PM. I think that they started a little late, but the hall was reasonably full when the lights went out and the band launched into 'The Truth aint kind'. Unfortunately the sound wasn't perfect and I could hardly make out Bernd's guitar - though I could see that he was playing it. By the time the song came to a close, the engineers had obtained a better balance, but regardless of the sound problems, the French fans gave them a big, welcoming cheer.
Michael Tangermans's voice was every bit as good live as on record and 'Amok', 'Think' and 'Not with Me' gave plenty of further evidence of this. The band sound was sufficiently heavy and chunky enough to satisfy the crowd who bounced around and sang along to the music. All too soon it was time for 'Why?' and as the crowd swayed along to perhaps their most popular song, hundreds of souvenir 'Angra' cigarette lighters were held up. From where I was standing (about 15 metres from the stage) it all looked very impressive and one could see that the band were pleased with the crowd-reaction.
The band left the stage as the house lights cam back up. We'd seen a mere 26 minutes of Superior on stage, when we'd been originally promised 40- enough time for the band to make an impact but not enough time to really exploit it.
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As for Strato, I saw them two nights running with Mark Meztger at Strasbourg (5-600 people) and the Saturday night show in Paris. Both sets were identical, except that we got a encore on the Saturday night - 'Father Time'. using material mainly from 'Destiny' and 'Visions'. They play a set of their best songs - ' Destiny', 'SOS', 'Kiss of Judas', 'Will the sun Rise?' just as you've heard them on disc. The playing was excellent, though the band were a bit static on stage, singer Timo Koltipeti aside, but what the hell, it sounded fine and I thoroughly enjoyed them. They were also bowled over with the crowd reception, knowledge of the lyrics and singing. Absolutely excellent, if you like that style of metal.
Angra get bigger by the day, though I'm not as taken with 'Fireworks'; as I was with 'Holy Land' and the fact that songs from 'Fireworks' made up the majority of the set, meant that I didn't enjoy the shows quite as much as I had on the earlier occasions I'd seen them in concert. The solos in songs like 'Paradise' and 'Speed' slay me, but the songs as a whole don't, in the same was as 'Nothing to Say', 'Make Believe and 'Carolina IV' do. The old favourites were still there, but I would have made a few changes to the set order and setlist. Anyway the French love them and the feeling seems to be mutual! So being the big gig if the tour, we had fire-breathers, fireworks and 5 encores including two Iron Maiden covers with Bruce Dickinson joining in on vocals! OK the sound wasn't perfect, but it was a big event and one of the biggest metal gigs I've seen in a few years. Proof indeed that there is a market for this sort of metal.
Angra and Strato continue to tour together until the end of February and Superior will make an acoustic tour of France in a few weeks time.
Angra may also return to Europe in May to play some festivals (The Dynamo in Holland is a possibility) and some further dates - certainly in France and possibly elsewhere - catch 'em if you can.
Setlists (thanks to Volodya)
Superior 1. The Truth aint kind 2. Not with me 3.Amok 4. Think 5. Why?
Stratovarius: 1. destiny 2. no turning back 3. paradise 4. 4000 rainy nights 5. speed of light 6. the kiss of judas 7. will the sun rise? 8. forever 9. sos 10. black diamond - encore - 11. father time
Angra: 1. intro 2. wings of reality 3. lisbon 4. nothing to say 5. metal icarus 6. angels cry 7. make belief medley: 8. carolina iv 9. drums / bass solos 10. paradise 11. silence and distance 12. piano solo 13. carolina iv (reprise) 14. stand away 15. guitar solo 16. petrified eyes 17. speed - encore 1 - 18. unfinished allegro / carry on 19. fireworks - encore 2 - 20. run to the hills 21. flight of icarus 22. evil warning 23. outro
Charlie
URL: http://www.servemode.co.uk/Charlie
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 01:48:09 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Words of wisdom Message-ID: <36A82D39.CDCFFA51@isd.net>
Neil Evans wrote: >Here I agree with you completely. Anybody who thinks the band owes you >anything, including an explanation of recent events, is severely misguided. >Let's be glad that there are some incredibly talented musicians out there >making incredible music for us to enjoy, and that some of them are kind and >thoughtful enough to do us all sorts of favors: Xmas CDs, fan club shows, >video compilations, mini-tours, etc.. Dream Theater fans are some of the >luckiest around.
>-Neil.
Very well said. I'd like to think that in this forum your statement was axiomatic. Unfortunately, It's just wishful thinking on my part.
I think YOU get my drift.
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 02:53:35 -0500 (EST) From: JE78674@ltu.edu To: YTSEJAM@axnet.net Subject: Chris Merlo's band URL Please Message-ID: <01J6TQNCUT6Q8WWUWZ@LTU.EDU>
Hey Chris, I deleted the last Jam before I got a chance to copy the link to your band's site. Can you please e-mail it to me? I want to hear what you guys are all about :)
Thanks,
Jeff E.
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:54:49 PST From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: recent flames Message-ID: <19990122075450.12467.qmail@hotmail.com>
in response to derogatory comments directed towards me:
i realize that as of late i haven't posted much of anything but derek flames.. it's just that i'm very tired of everyone defending that guy.. he was kicked out of DT for a reason.. i didn't want to bad mouth him when he was part of Dream Theater because he WAS a part of the band. it irritates me to see people comment on how sorry they are to see him go and all that.. the fact of the matter is that he had a regressive influence on dream theater..
"After our experiences of working with Jordan in LTE, we came to the decision that his playing, writing and personality was more representative of where we would like to take Dream Theater into the 21st century." Derek is obviously a good musician but did not adequately fit the hole left by kevin's absence or they wouldn't have given him the boot. i've always hated derek but was willing to affirm him as long as Dream Theater was.. now they're not so i let loose.. anyways.. it's possible my comments were out of line but that doesn't make derek any less lame. i don't like him as a person... viva la jordan!!
inferno
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 03:22:43 -0500 From: Computer Jim DTFOTL <jpepe@typhoon.lightning.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: I don't see the problem Message-ID: <36A83553.D156DADE@typhoon.lightning.net>
Rocky Pulley wrote:
> stage presence to DT. I mean, I'm not one to really care about stage > presence, because I'm a keyboardist, and I have just about none. but > if
Have you ever seen Deep Purple in concert? Their keyboardist has mucho prescenceo. =) Same with ELP. Its all about style, and having a good time =)
Like a drummer.... Hidden behind the set. Its all how you set up the stage and handle yourself for a performance.
I'm a drummer and guitarist myself, and stage presence is up to you. Not the instrument.
That's my nickel's worth. Jim
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 03:36:05 -0500 From: Computer Jim DTFOTL <jpepe@typhoon.lightning.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: a message from Derek Message-ID: <36A83875.46AD981@typhoon.lightning.net>
> (that is if you're an AOLey like him). I for one was blown off many a > > time by him and so was my wife. You'd think he'd have a better
What do you expect? You know how many IMs he must get swamped with EVERY TIME he logs on?
SHEESH.
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 02:43:44 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Thank you... Thank you very much. Message-ID: <36A83A40.9B8438E6@isd.net>
Greetings fellow jamsters,
I just wanted to say thanks to ALL involved in this list for turning me on to some of the best music ever written.
Fates Warning: I love this band! they stand along side Dream Theater for all time favorites. Ray Alder is incredible! so is the rest of the band. Jim's music writing intrigues me.
Symphony X: kicks my ass.
Superior: This band is quickly gaining ground. "Behind" just f*ckin' grooves, and Younique is starting to grow on me.
Royal Hunt: What a refreshing change of pace.
LTE: Nuff said.
Vanden Plas: This band has a killer groove. Love the keys. But... The singer could be a little better.
Anyway... Thanks for all the great reviews, commentary and MP3's!
/Al tips his hat, and smiles :-)
P.S. I'm also desperately trying to get KorgX3 to resub. The Derek/Jordan thing has him rattled.
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 01:16:04 -0800 From: "Nick Guadagnoli" <progrockboy@linkline.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: NAMM NAMM NAMM NAMM Message-ID: <000d01be45e7$daaec000$adafc898@progrockboy>
Nikki pleaded in the final week before NAMM 99:
<<<Hey Jammers ---
Okay, consider it begging!!!!!
I really need a pass for NAMM in LA.
Or the "credentials" to get my own.
Can anyone help me out?>>>
I can't help ya... but I have MY NAMM BADGE! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
--Nik-O
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:04:08 +1100 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson <evanessa@mira.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Clothes and apologies Message-ID: <36A84D17.D878A8A7@mira.net>
I just wanted to post one last time on this topic:
Al(?) I read your reply to my post and I understand where you're coming from abit more now. Granted, my post when you explained it, sounded derogatory to DT... I didn't mean it that way and stating that Evan was the fan and that I belonged to the Joni list was more of an explanation of where my perspective was rather than a slam on DT. Admittedly I'm not a big fan but that's due more to the fact and I just haven't heard enough to even begin to form an opinion.
I do know however, how much they appeal to Evan and how highly he regards them and this I respect... so that's where my remark on clothing came from.
True, clothing does maketh the man but I should have stressed that in regards to music... to me it didn't matter. I just felt that belittling a person in lieu of their clothing was harsh and baffling. To me as Music is 'entertainment' as well as art... there is a degree of exhibitionism as well as showmanship. So, artists who choose to be flamboyant are just giving the crowd a thrill. Yes, what I have seen of DT (Evan's videos and pictures) they appear casual, laid back and in their concerts it 'does' appear to be about the music... so hence my comment! (Thanks Andrew!!)
I will say that I shouldn't have been harsh back to you but the vehemence of your post threw me. I just couldn't believe you slammed me so brutally when in retrospect... all I did was ask a question. I guess this teaches me to be more careful about how I post... :-)
I felt I had to post to this List rather than just privately as I feel childish for giving into the nastiness.
So, yes I respect DT (What I have heard) and I respect your opinion and defence of the band you love.
Vanessa- learning a lesson and admitting to fault.
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 04:28:33 -0600 From: Big Swifty <swifty@auburn.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Various replies Message-ID: <36A852D1.18D@auburn.net>
]From: "maX Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com> > I think the one positive thing I can say about this right now is that > hopefully Jordan will actually use flute sounds and stuff (LTE track 2) > that NEITHER Kevin nor Derek would have touched...
I refer you to "The Way It Used To Be," listen to the keyboard break in the middle. Yes, it's a flute/recorder sound. I wish that Derek had done more of this type of thing, but it's there.
]From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com> > i hate derek and always have and have always said so!!! > anyone who supports him obviously hasn't read an interview with him.. > he admits openly to disliking prog and even dream theater..
Hey, "I Suck," here's a quote from Derek taken from an interview done by Greg Rule just before the release of FII,:
"Even when I was a sideman, the band always treated me like I was a member. One day we were on a ferry ride from Sweden to Finland, and I had a nice dinner with the band and the tour manager, and then they told me they wanted me to be a member. It was great, but I'll be honest... the next day I woke up and didn't feel any different, because they made me feel like a member the whole time." Lest you think Derek was blase about joining the band, though: "There aren't too many progressive bands on major labels anymore," he says, "so I consider this the ultimate keyboard gig."
Learn civility or shut up, okay? I promise to knock some sense into your goddamn head, should I ever get the chance.
Scott Sturdivant asked about a piece of music called "4:33" written by John Cage. This piece consists of three movements, none of which contain notes, only the word "Tacet," which means, in effect, silence. Cage wanted people to listen to the sounds happening around them and place a "frame" around those sounds, in which they could be accepted as music.
That's all, Mark Peters swifty@auburn.net
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 05:30:26 -0500 From: David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Awake Message-ID: <199901220530_MC2-6785-6159@compuserve.com>
On the Hate / Love Awake debate I didn't own Awake until about 2 months ago (cause didn't want to), but listening to the Awake songs on OiaLT made me go and buy it, (Has DT started putting subliminal messages onto its CD's) DTX Dave. (PS Anyone that's own a Yamaha DTX kit be prepared for your bass drum posts to go wrong after about a years use).
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