YTSEJAM Digest 4606
Today's Topics:
1) Derek and things
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
2) TTT time intro breakdown TAKE 2
by Calvin6S@aol.com
3) Website Updated
by Nikki.Brooks@taywood.co.uk
4) Amanda rules! :)
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
5) Tribute to Derek
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
6) Re: stuff
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
7) Pull Me Under Live
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
8) Re: Derek/Jordan, LTE
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4596
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
10) Re: i hope derek gets hit by a truck
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
11) Re: Poor Vanessa
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
12) Re: Best Move DT Ever Made...
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4601
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
14) Re: Poor Vanessa
by "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:35:49 +0000 (GMT)
From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
To: YtseJam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Derek and things
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-0122103549-bc8rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
Derek wears flamboyant clothes; Derek gets lots of groupies. The others
don't; they don't.
In Derek's situation, I can see why I'd be tempted to go slightly over the
top with my stagewear. :-)
Derek's dirty, gritty Hammond sound during Just Let Me Breathe on OiaLT is
phenomenal. I absolutely adore that Hammond sound. If that Hammond sound
were a woman, I'd marry it.
DT need to get Ryo Okumoto from Spock's Beard to play Just Let Me Breathe,
and Jordan can do everything else.
BTW, what's the proper name for someone who plays the Chapman Stick? A
Stickist? Sticker? Masochist?
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 05:39:26 EST From: Calvin6S@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: TTT time intro breakdown TAKE 2 Message-ID: <d88902ef.36a8555e@aol.com>
Okay, after reading Kyle McCabe's post I had to rethink how I decided to assign time signatures to the Take the Time Intro. In particular, the last bars of 9/8 being in compound (triplet) time instead of simple time. Kyle ALMOST had the ending. I figured out the ending theoretically (notes were right but time sigs were not).
In the closing bars of the intro, the band hits are being played in compound time (9/8 - dotted quarter note gets the beat) while the kick and synth bass are playing in simple time (4/4 - quarter note gets the beat). So in answer to Kyle's question about different tempos, in a way there are two tempos going on at the same time. The bass/kick notes sixteenth notes are equal to the ensemble hit's (snare/guitar) eighth note triplets. This means that the beats are lining up in different places (hence two different tempos at once). I didn't take a metronome to the track, but I'm pretty sure the 4/4 bass line starts out at 120. This means that the compound time (band hits) is going at 160. Low and behold, when the band all joins together in compound time in 12/8 after the intro, they are all about 160. The whole reason for the band hits to be in compound time over the bass/kick's simple time is to transition into the compound time 12/8 figure (first theme/riff) smoothly.
If you want to know how to convert a tempo value from simple to compound while keeping the sixteenth notes from the simple time equal to the eighth note triplets from the compound time - here ya go:
Simple Time BPM x 4 divided by 3 = Compound Time BPM If anybody wants to know WHY this formula works, ask and I will explain - but I don't want to get off subject here.
So during the TTT intro we have "colliding" time sigs as such:
4/4 - being kept by bass and kick alternating sigs - being kept by snare, guitar, keys, and cymbal hit
Now I will use "net" text to display the whole intro. What I did this time was stack the Kick/Bass 4/4 part on top of the alternating signatures of the snare/guitar ensemble hits so you can see how they line up against each other.
K - Kick drum being played as quarter notes to bass's 4/4 figure C - Cymbal hit and new key chord B - Bass Guitar X - Snare/Guitar ensemble hits
----------------------------------------------- 4/4 (3 times)
|B | B B |B | |1 e & a |2 e & a |3 e & a |4 e & a ------------------------------------------------ 5/4
B B B B B K K K K K 1 2 3 4 1 C X X X X X X X X X 1 e & a 2 e & a 3 e & a 4 e & a 5 e & a ------------------------------------------------- 6/4
B B B B B B B K K K K K K 2 3 4 1 2 3 C X X X X X X X X X 1 e & a 2 e & a 3 e & a 4 e & a 5 e & a 6 e & a ---------------------------------------------------- 6/4
B B B B B K K K K K K 4 1 2 3 4 1 C X X X X X X X X X 1 e & a 2 e & a 3 e & a 4 e & a 5 e & a 6 e & a ---------------------------------------------------- 9/8 (band switches to compound time)
B B B K K K 2 e & a 3 e & a 4 C X X X 1 & a 2 & a 3 & a ----------------------------------------------------- 9/8 (*keys join ensemble hits)
B |B B B K K | K K e & a 1 e & a 2 e |& a 3 e & a 4 e & X X* X |X X X X X X X 1 & a 2 & a 3 & a |1 & a 2 & a 3 & a ----------------------------------------------------- 9/8
B B B |B K K |K K K a 1 e & a 2 e & a |3 e & a 4 e & a 1 X X X |X X X X X X X 1 & a 2 & a 3 & a |1 & a 2 & a 3 & a ----------------------------------------------------- 9/8
B B B | B K K | K K e & a 2 e & a 3 e |& a 4 e & a 1 e & X X X |X X X X X X X 1 & a 2 & a 3 & a |1 & a 2 & a 3 & a ----------------------------------------------------- Intro finished and 12/8 theme begins -----------------------------------------------------
How many people would be interested (email me privately - not the jam) in starting a DT only music analysis mailing list? No talk about Derek's departure, no talk about similar bands, no talk about concert reviews. Just hardcore analysis of Dream Theater music. This can include what I did above, working out guitar, bass, key, or drum parts, or anything that may come with actual DT music analysis.
This would create a place for us music nerds to hang without bothering the non-musician DT fans. We also wouldn't have to scroll through 20 posts of Jordan vs. Bird :oP to get to the answer you were looking for.
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:45:13 +0000 From: Nikki.Brooks@taywood.co.uk To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Website Updated Message-ID: <H000086f01146269@MHS>
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Now featuring the artwork!!!
http://www.angelfire.com/nb/NIXB/
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:59:19 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Amanda rules! :) Message-ID: <36A79527.6EC23960@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:57:32 -0800 > From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu> > Subject: Yet another somewhat humble Derek opinion > > Whoever made the comment about DT making the next album sound like > I&W.. Im sorry to be rude but thats one of the stupidest things > Ive seen posted in a while. Being a musician is about changing > and evolving, getting new ideas and improving on past ones, not > taking what your fans consider to be your best album and making > a duplicate. Derek added a lot of new ideas and influences to DT. > It was refreshing to hear something different. Another > thing: I wish people would stop making references to the fact that > Derek was a "rock/metal" player in a "prog" band. Give these > musicians some credit and dont limit them to genres.
BRAVO girl! :))) This was one of the most true descriptions on the situation! I love every word of it! :)
> /me prepares to go hide in the corner with > the handful of non FII-haters
Where do we meet? ;) --
CyberDuke _______________________________________________________ Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk ICQ# 17392722 _______________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:04:09 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: YtseLand <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Tribute to Derek Message-ID: <36A79649.725D8DB1@mol.com.mk>
I just got an idea! Since I'm not the only freak collector here I guess it's possible doing it!
Now when Derek is gone I think it would be cool and very worthy to collect all Nightmare Cinema and Nicky Lemons songs available, put 'em on MP3s and upload them somewhere (best if it would be one site).
Derek site already exists so it is a candidate but I'm not the person to ask! :) Christina ....?
I know folks out there loved those Nicky MP3s, so why not gettin' them together! Also, I never saw Nightmare Cinema MP3s, are there and recordings of NC gig??? --
CyberDuke _______________________________________________________ Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk ICQ# 17392722 _______________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:59:59 +0100 (CET) From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: stuff Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9901221156560.3388-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Rogerio Brito wrote:
> > Hey... everytime when I hear that part it brings a smile to my face... > > It's so funny... It really sounds like had four guys just had a good time > > for a couple of weeks... I think it's brilliant. > > Can't people just realized that whenever a band puts out an album > there will be people that will like and people that will hate it?
Oh well, didn't mean to cause any controversy or anything... I think it's great that people have different tastes... But that doesn't mean that we can't express our opinions as to that taste right? I'm sure maX didn't mean to flame/bitch/whine etc... (which he didn't IMO), and me neither... I just replied to say I disagreed... That's all...
Peace
Cheers
Zaphod
============================================================================== Peter Geerts *QUOTE* zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles) ICQ: 13122363 Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium ==============================================================================
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:12:35 +0100 (CET) From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Pull Me Under Live Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9901221205390.3388-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Scott Bivins wrote:
> You know...this brings up an interesting point. Why in the hell is DT still > playing PMU? I mean at every show it is played (with the exception of the <snip> > Personally, I hope they NEVER play this song again live. There is soooo much > good DT material that never (or hardly ever) gets played. I suppose I could <snip>
Scott,
I'd say that I kinda understand why DT still play PMU... After all, it's their best-known song (well...) so I think every band would like to play those songs that everone knows and that get the crowd all warmed up. Besides, I do think that at an average DT concert it's not all hardcore fans. Some people may only know DT from PMU (although FII may have gotten them a new audience)...And finally: It's a DAMN good song!!:-)
On the other hand, I do agree that there are a lot of songs that are hardly ever played live (LSoaD, UAGM (completely), I don't even know about 6:00: do they play this still? And what about full Metropolis?).
Cheers
Zaphod
============================================================================== Peter Geerts *QUOTE* zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles) ICQ: 13122363 Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium ==============================================================================
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:14:40 +0100 (CET) From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Derek/Jordan, LTE Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9901221213580.3388-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Jens Johansson wrote:
> <self promotion> Why, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank David > Dixon <David@iisweb.com> and any other people that bought "Visions." Also
Whiihaaa!! I ordered Visions yesterday... Does Jens thank me too then? :-)
Cheers
Zaphod
============================================================================== Peter Geerts *QUOTE* zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles) ICQ: 13122363 Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium ==============================================================================
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:15:43 +0100 (CET) From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4596 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9901221214510.3388-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, maX Verran wrote:
> Elton John sucks ass....
Oh no... Yet another Gay reference... I'm getting sick of this:-))
BTW how do you suck ass??:-))
Cheers
Zaphod
============================================================================== Peter Geerts *QUOTE* zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles) ICQ: 13122363 Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium ==============================================================================
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:16:56 +0100 (CET) From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: i hope derek gets hit by a truck Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9901221216090.3388-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Isaac Trumbo wrote:
> support!! ha!!!! support a rake up your ass you fucking bastard!!
Skadz: Do something!:-)
This is getting out of hand...
Cheers
Zaphod
============================================================================== Peter Geerts *QUOTE* zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles) ICQ: 13122363 Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium ==============================================================================
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 05:33:44 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Poor Vanessa Message-ID: <36A86218.252359B8@isd.net>
>I just wanted to post one last time on this topic:
>Al(?) I read your reply to my post and I understand where you're coming >from abit more now. Granted, my post when you explained it, sounded >derogatory to DT... I didn't mean it that way and stating that Evan was >the fan and that I belonged to the Joni list was more of an explanation >of where my perspective was rather than a slam on DT. Admittedly I'm >not a big fan but that's due more to the fact and I just haven't heard >enough to even begin to form an opinion.
Fair enough. It took some time for my wife to warm up to DT. Now she's a DT fanatic. I have a duplicate copy of "Awake" so I don't have to keep chasing it down. (Her favorite) She always proudly displays one of her DT shirts at concerts, regardless who is playing.
>I do know however, how much they appeal to Evan and how highly he >regards them and this I respect... so that's where my remark on clothing >came from.
I was never thrilled with Derek's attire; however, I have never made derogatory comments about that. I simply thought and vocalized "he clashed." I've met Derek on several occasions, I think he's a blast. Nice guy, too. I will miss him.
>True, clothing does maketh the man but I should have stressed that in >regards to music... to me it didn't matter. I just felt that belittling >a person in lieu of their clothing was harsh and baffling. To me as >Music is 'entertainment' as well as art... there is a degree of >exhibitionism as well as showmanship. So, artists who choose to be >flamboyant are just giving the crowd a thrill. >Yes, what I have seen of DT (Evan's videos and pictures) they appear >casual, laid back and in their concerts it 'does' appear to be about the >music... so hence my comment! (Thanks Andrew!!)
>I will say that I shouldn't have been harsh back to you but the >vehemence of your post threw me. I just couldn't believe you slammed me >so brutally when in retrospect... all I did was ask a question. I guess >this teaches me to be more careful about how I post... :-)
*Shrug* I apologize. I can be just as big of an asshole as the next guy, I usually try to dish it out in moderation. I won't make any excuses for it. (The "Mother's little helper"- "leaking battery" comment was a bit much) It was kinda my demented way of saying: "I wonder why she's so irritated?"
>I felt I had to post to this List rather than just privately as I feel >childish for giving into the nastiness.
Yup! Sometimes the only time I open my mouth is to change feet. :-)
>So, yes I respect DT (What I have heard) and I respect your opinion and >defence of the band you love.
>Vanessa- learning a lesson and admitting to fault.
An admirable admission. Just remember, fault is something we all universally share. I'm certainly no exception.
/Al bows to the nice lady and calls a truce. :-)
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:35:01 +0100 (CET) From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Best Move DT Ever Made... Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9901221232230.3388-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Dream Theater wrote:
> Yeah, the old gothic looking font was much MUCH better than that new > techy/cartoony lookin one. We should start a ytsepetition!
YES! One of the reasons I LOVE my DT albums is the artwork... including the font... Not that it will change anything, but... any volunteers to organize the petition??:-)
Cheers
Zaphod
============================================================================== Peter Geerts *QUOTE* zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles) ICQ: 13122363 Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium ==============================================================================
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:39:56 +0100 (CET) From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4601 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9901221237190.3388-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, jason braswell wrote:
> This has little to do with most of what else is being said, but I just > wanted to make it known that I think JLB is the best vocalist I've ever > heard; he gets so much shit. > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Wow ! Praising words from a hotmail guy... They do exist!:-)
Some positive comments for once could only be good for the YML, so: James seriously kicks ass! (although I prefer his previous haircut... Oops right... looks and clothing don't matter:-))
Cheers
Zaphod
============================================================================== Peter Geerts *QUOTE* zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles) ICQ: 13122363 Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium ==============================================================================
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:53:23 -0500 From: "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Poor Vanessa Message-ID: <010401be4606$3286dd80$6e4320d8@Kez>
In our last episode of "As The YtseJam Turns":
>>Vanessa- learning a lesson and admitting to fault. > >An admirable admission. Just remember, fault is something we all >universally share. I'm certainly no exception. > >/Al bows to the nice lady and calls a truce. :-) > >-- >Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist > ^
You guys cut this out. I'm getting all misty eyed.
/me dabs a tear.
LTE TONIGHT!!!!!!
Kez
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