YTSEJAM Digest 4956
Today's Topics:
1) Neo-Classical
by Outlander 99 <outlander28@hotmail.com>
2) neo-classical
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
3) pulse greatest live? hmmm
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
4) Pink Floyd and everything in between
by Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
5) Re: CD-RW...
by Steve Chew <schew@tislabs.com>
6) 'nuff said
by jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov
7) Shameless Plug for one of my Favorite Bands
by Awake77@aol.com
8) Shameless Plug for one of my Favorite Bands
by Awake77@aol.com
9) Scorpions/Crue pt II
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@yahoo.com>
10) Re: Candlemass
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@iname.com>
11) Re: Candlemass
by Jim Lenart <Sorrowed@postmark.net>
12) Re: Alchemy X
by "Adam Perkowsky" <adamperk@earthlink.net>
13) Clarity clips at mp3.com (ndtc)
by Sami Poimala <spoimala@st.jyu.fi>
14) Dali's vs. Queensryke O:M
by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
15) Re: Dali's vs. Queensryke O:M
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
16) neo-classical
by "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
17) Savatage on Metal Blade?
by Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
18) Re: Floyd and Blues
by "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
19) Re: Pink Floyd
by "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
20) NDTC: James Hetfield in the South Park movie?
by "Sadbutunforgiven" <m99086a@bellsouth.net>
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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 13:36:15 EDT
From: Outlander 99 <outlander28@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Neo-Classical
Message-ID: <19990702173616.30759.qmail@hotmail.com>
One more question:
I've seen the term "neo-classical" used on the list many times. I was
wondering if someone could give me a definition on it. My guess it that it
refers to rock/metal with "classical" music influences. Any more to it?
Eric
Well, IMO its got elements of classical composition...look at Icarus Dream
Suite from Malmsteen ive seen it ripped apart in a magazine and they point
out how deeply classical the comp. is...also you gotta have a guitar
tonality that can sream & growl while being glass-like during the slower
phrases.
does that help?
Outlander out
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:48:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: neo-classical
Message-ID: <19990702174800.9030.rocketmail@web122.yahoomail.com>
"Eric Trautmann" <etrautmann@cds-net.com> asked:
> I've seen the term "neo-classical" used on the list
many times. I was
> wondering if someone could give me a definition on
it. My guess it that
> it refers to rock/metal with "classical" music
influences. Any more to it?
Good guess. If it were in a dictionary, it would have
Yngwie Malmsteen's picture next to it. As the term is
used in metal circles, it refers to metal with the
Yngwie-style of guitar playing. More examples: Vinnie
Moore, Impelliteri, Joe Stump, Tony MacAlpine,
Symphony X (Micheal Romeo), Stratovarius, various
Shrapnel Records guitar projects.
It should be noted that other earlier, guitarists
could have been called neo-classical (Richie
Blackmore, Micheal Schenker, Randy Rhoads, etc.), but
it was Yngwie who crystallized the term in it's
modern, metal usage.
BH
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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 14:08:22 -0400
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: pulse greatest live? hmmm
Message-ID: <377D0016.BD2898AB@bigfoot.com>
arash, on pulse:
>IMO, it's the best live album ever produced on earth. It's incredible.
Well now, I think that's a really great one. I rented the video and
loved it.
But, the best live video of all time,(not EXACTLY what you were saying)
has got to be U2's Zoo TV. I've probably seen it 20 times.
Josh
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:27:03 -0500 (CDT)
From: Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Pink Floyd and everything in between
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.990702132230.28237B-100000@sparkie.gnofn.org>
Hey all,
first I was pleased and suprised to see I was #5 on the rankings, not that
it matters. :) Second off, Canada is not a bad country, they produced
some of my personal heroes:Bret Hart, Chris Jericho, and Chris Benoit (all
wrestlers) Speaking of wrestling, MEGADETH will be on MONDAY NITRO on TNT
next week (the 5th) playing their new song Crush Em which is in the
Universal Soldier 2 movie that comes out soon.
Regarding this Pink Floyd thread, I don't personally care for them
too much. Being only 19, the only stuff I've heard is the usual on the
radio, and Take it back and the Division Bell off the Division Bell. The
song Division Bell has to be one of the most amazing songs I've ever
heard. Anyway, I do have respect for them. You can not like something, but
at least respect it for what it is. :)
Kurt
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:18:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Chew <schew@tislabs.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: CD-RW...
Message-ID: <199907021918.PAA24430@clipper.gw.tislabs.com>
To the person wondering what CD-RW to buy... I have a Yamaha
4416 4x writer which I like pretty well. I ended up buying a SCSI hard
drive too so I could burn CDs more easily (my old IDE drive just
wasn't always fast enough for 4x speed). I haven't tried duplicating
CDs from my IDE CD player yet. I generally want to make compilations
so I need to copy the songs to the hard drive first.
I like the Easy CD Creator that came with the CD-RW. I bought
the Sure Thing CD-Label software for doing the labels and it's nice too.
Steve
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:51:02 +0100
From: jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: 'nuff said
Message-ID: <199907021851.TAA13228@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
NP: Liquid Tension Expermiment 2
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:14:52 EDT
From: Awake77@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Shameless Plug for one of my Favorite Bands
Message-ID: <516ef83e.24ae77bc@aol.com>
Hey!
For everyone that dosent have Clockworks lates album, SurfaceTension,
order it now! Its really, really, fucking good.
Here Ill make it easy for ya:
They have it at www.CdNow.Com
as well as most of the other music sites on the web.
Seriously though, my ytse-friends, this album is some serious progressive
metal from some seriously incredible musicians. Sean Malone (from Cynic) has
a Chapman Stick solo on one of the tunes as well! Do your mind and your ears
a favor and check it out!
-Chris
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:14:55 EDT
From: Awake77@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Shameless Plug for one of my Favorite Bands
Message-ID: <3147632f.24ae77bf@aol.com>
Hey!
For everyone that dosent have Clockworks lates album, SurfaceTension,
order it now! Its really, really, fucking good.
Here Ill make it easy for ya:
They have it at www.CdNow.Com
as well as most of the other music sites on the web.
Seriously though, my ytse-friends, this album is some serious progressive
metal from some seriously incredible musicians. Sean Malone (from Cynic) has
a Chapman Stick solo on one of the tunes as well! Do your mind and your ears
a favor and check it out!
-Chris
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:55:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@yahoo.com>
To: DT list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Scorpions/Crue pt II
Message-ID: <19990702205504.18428.rocketmail@web123.yahoomail.com>
Oh yeah during the crue's set I forgot to mention the "side show", which was
something I never expected to see at a concert, a bachelor party-yes, but a
concert-no... Lets just say that Meriweather Post Pavilion has said they
will never let the Crue back there... Also since the county police didn't
see anything since they were outside, there was no arrests. They are warning
the police in the rest of the cities on the tour though so I wonder how long
the act lasts.
NP: Dokken-Erase the Slate (Reb Beach rocks)
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 17:20:55 -0300
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@iname.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Candlemass
Message-ID: <19990702172055.A2248@iname.com>
On Jul 01 1999, Jim Lenart wrote:
> Hi. here's probably more information than you need but here goes.
> Candlemass' last album...
(...)
> anyway most of the songs from the album were intended to be songs
> for his side project "Abstrakt Algebra" (that's why the songs sound
> like those off his first A.A. album).
Do you know if he's a Mathematician? (Perhaps Abstract Algebra
is one of my preferred fields in Mathematics).
It would be cool to know what the lyrics say. :-) I can only
think of some things that would sound *really* weird, like
words with a proof of a theorem. :-)
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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 22:19:01 +0000 From: Jim Lenart <Sorrowed@postmark.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Candlemass Message-ID: <m110Be9-000eLgC@postmark.dmf.net>
> > Hi. here's probably more information than you need but here goes. > > Candlemass' last album... > (...) > > anyway most of the songs from the album were intended to be songs > > for his side project "Abstrakt Algebra" (that's why the songs sound > > like those off his first A.A. album). > > Do you know if he's a Mathematician? (Perhaps Abstract Algebra > is one of my preferred fields in Mathematics). >
ouch. i feel sorry for you if that is your favorite field in math...ugh...j/k
actually the songs have nothing to do with the mathematics field, but i guess in a way they can be called abstract? Definately some experimental stuff going on, with influences from many different musical genres.
> It would be cool to know what the lyrics say. :-) I can only > think of some things that would sound *really* weird, like > words with a proof of a theorem. :-) >
heheh. that would have been pretty funny (disapointing in a way, but yes funny)....i have a friend (whom someone else here definitely knows too) who wanted to make a punk/black metal band (obviously for comical intentions only) called something like "The Accountants". Of course the lyrics would be in the traditional punk "political/angry" frame of mind, with songs about spreadsheets, ect...oh, the blackmetal influence would be there just so they could wear the face paint too. heheh.
signing off.
jim
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:14:42 -0400 From: "Adam Perkowsky" <adamperk@earthlink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Alchemy X Message-ID: <002201bec4bf$24969ac0$f887fad0@perk>
Hello everyone, Alchemy X is a five piece (v, 2 g, b/k, d) prog metal band now based in Long Island City, NY. The main influences prevelant in their music are DT, Fates Warning, Iron Maiden and Queensryche. The vocalist sounds like the major players of classic metal -- Rob Halford, Bruce Dickinson and the like. Their new CD is entitled "A Delicate Balance." For info on how to purchase the CD, e-mail me or the band at alchemy-x@prodigy.net. Very soon, they will have a website through Liquid Audio, where you'll be able to hear some clips and buy merchandise. I am also in the process of creating the band's homepage as soon as I get some pics, bios and other info from the band. There is also a full mp3 of Alchemy X's song called "Alchemy" on Ytsejim's mp3 server "Music in Progress" (http://members.aol.com/miprogress).
Some of you may have already heard some Alchemy X songs. At one of the FII tour shows at Irving Plaza in NYC, the band handed out a two-song demo tape to people on line. At the time they were known as Dreamscape. They originally were called Alchemy, but were forced to add the X because someone else had the rights to the Alchemy name. I told them to not use X, since their are so many "X" bands out there. But then again, it was better than being a "scape" band! : )
Unfortunately, the plug AX got on Stern didn't help. They played two shows that weekend, but only friends and family went. Those were also the first two AX shows I have missed, since I was at NEARFest.
Take care, Adam Perkowsky
----- Original Message ----- > >Then Howard plays a minute or two of one of their songs, and honestly, > it > >sounded really good. Anyone know anything about Alchemy X? > > yeah, they're pretty good. > > adam perkowski and I saw them in manhatten a few months ago - any other > jammers at that show? we were both up front. > > Josh
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Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 02:22:57 +0300 (EEST) From: Sami Poimala <spoimala@st.jyu.fi> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Clarity clips at mp3.com (ndtc) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9907030218140.2298-100000@silmu.st.jyu.fi>
Hi guys 'n' gals!
I have uploaded a few songs from my bands debut album to mp3.com. Now there are four songs available, and two more will be there soon. They are named (in order of appearance right now) - Devastation - Who am I - Life Indeed - Spiderdance
And coming soon - Panther - Instrumental Hospital
Please, check 'em out and don't hesitate to contact!
Clips are on category pop_rock/metal/progressive_metal. Or go directly to our page www.mp3.com/clarity.
Thanks!
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:33:56 -0500 From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Dali's vs. Queensryke O:M Message-ID: <001801bec4eb$bd7877a0$f55299d1@default>
I read an ad recently claiming that Dali's Dillemma is like Queensrykes Operation:Mindcrime. All of you who are familiar with both , is this true? O:M is one of my favorite CDs.
Mike Mike and Susan Verstraete www.sound.net/~homewks
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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 22:07:06 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Dali's vs. Queensryke O:M Message-ID: <377D704A.631AC707@yunque.net>
I dont know..but Dalis Dilemma 's cd is not a concept album..and i doubt very much that the music resembles QR. Id say its a perfect cross between images and words and awake.
Mike & Susan Verstraete wrote:
> I read an ad recently claiming that Dali's Dillemma is like Queensrykes > Operation:Mindcrime. All of you who are familiar with both , is this true? > O:M is one of my favorite CDs. > > Mike > Mike and Susan Verstraete > www.sound.net/~homewks
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Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 12:54:27 +1000 From: "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: neo-classical Message-ID: <377D7B63.F76CD4A6@alphalink.com.au>
> > I've seen the term "neo-classical" used on the list many times. I was > wondering if someone could give me a definition on it. My guess it that it > refers to rock/metal with "classical" music influences. Any more to it?
yep thats it. Yngwie Malmsteen is usually attributed as the first serious neo-classical musician but there were a few before him who could be considered part of this genre. Neo-classical kind of got a bad name because basically it was just playing Paganini (a virtuoso violinist from the 18th (I think) century) on electric guitar. In the end it was just playing harmonic minor runs at high speed which got boring after a while. Still, it did widen the range for guitarists (and keyboardists) and there are some great players in the genre. Dream Theater have plenty of neo-classical influences. The song Ytsejam is the obvious one but you can see it all over the place.
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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 20:02:59 -0700 From: Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Savatage on Metal Blade? Message-ID: <377D7D63.20C58B22@ivorygate.com>
To the guy who posted that Savatage had been dropped from Atlantic and signed to Metal Blade... I checked with the people I know at MB and they haven't heard about this yet, so I don't think it is true... If I hear anything more on it, I'll post it here...
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Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 00:49:41 -0400 From: "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Floyd and Blues Message-ID: <199907022145025@ytsejam11.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
on the subject of Blues music and Pink Floyd...
Ok, I know its been established that I am not a big fan of blues music, mainly because a lot of it I find incredibly repetative and uninteresting. Thats not to say that there isnt any blues music that I enjoy. I do like what SRV has done, and thats mainly because I find his playing makes it interesting for me.
Floyd now...I used to be a huge Floyd fan (they were my #1 band before I heard DT) and now its become less. Floyd is a very atmospheric type of progressive that I do enjoy just as much as the technical shred stuff like DT. Even though Gilmour is a blues player, I think what makes his playing interesting to me is partially what he's playing in front of, I dont find the music Floyd does to be incredibly repetative. What I dont really get is the whole "dude, you have to be high or on acid to REALLY get what they're talking about." I dont care what music it is, but I find that the only way you can really experience the music is to listen to it sober. Otherwise, if you're high, your senses are impared, and you're not reciving the music how it really sounds. The best equation I can make to it is trying to pick up a girl when you're drunk. While drunk you think you're banging the hottest girl in the world, then the next morning you wake up and theres quasimoto next to you (any! ! one who
remembers that horrible picture Eckie had on his site a while ago should get what Im talking about, right Eck ;-) ?
my .02 for now
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Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 01:06:05 -0400 From: "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Pink Floyd Message-ID: <199907022201235@ytsejam11.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
I know I already talked about how I felt about this issue, but I had to comment on this person:
<<I feel sorry for the people who don't enjoy Pink Floyd and some of the other bands mentioned. Synching Dark Side and Wizard of Oz is one of the greatest musical experience ever, comparable only to chilling to SOYCD on a dark summer night (whether your on acid or not). I find it difficult to believe that people also don't like blues when basically all rock, especially in guitar terms, stems directly from blues.>>
1. Why do you feel sorry for them? Its their taste in music, not yours. I know you're just voicing your opinion, but wording it the way you did makes it seem like they're inferior to you for not liking Floyd. 2. aah, synching Dark Side with Oz was interesting for about 2 seconds for me. The coincidences are at most times very vauge, and the big synchs are few and far between. 3. Just because something is influenced by something else, doesnt mean you have to like the influence. Theres many guitarists I love, for example, that list Yngwie Malmsteen as an influence, yet I find Yngwie, at least compared to whats around today, as extremely boring an unimaginative (though I admit a lot of his runs make good practice tools). Does that mean that I shouldnt like so-and-so because I dont like Yngwie?
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Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 01:11:38 -0400 From: "Sadbutunforgiven" <m99086a@bellsouth.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: NDTC: James Hetfield in the South Park movie? Message-ID: <005b01bec512$88a43a60$4e09d6d1@pavilion>
For anyone that has seen the south park movie:
do you know for sure if that is James Hetfield singing in the song in the hell sequence? thanx
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