YTSEJAM Digest 4957
Today's Topics:
1) pink floyd
by Alex Smith <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4956
by "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
3) More odds and ends
by WoodyTJ34@aol.com
4) LTE future
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
5) medley
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
6) DC Cooper's solo album
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
7) Re: medley
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
8) Re: Pink Floyd
by "sK@RRe" <skarre@2.sbbs.se>
9) Meshuggah / neoclassical
by Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
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Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 01:37:24 -0700
From: Alex Smith <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: pink floyd
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990703013724.00856390@pop.azstarnet.com>
> 2. aah, synching Dark Side with Oz was interesting for about 2 seconds
for me. The coincidences are at most times very
> vauge, and the big synchs are few and far between.
I never liked that one either. A much better one is the combination of the
song "Echoes" and the last part of 2001: A Space Odyssey. That synch is
simply incredible.
Alex Smith
bacchus@azstarnet.com
"Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. Music is the
electrical soil in which the spirit lives, thinks, and invents."
-Ludwig van Beethoven
"If you're going to be alive and on this planet, you have to suck the
marrow out of every day and get the most out of it."
-Drew Barrymore
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Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 19:40:35 +1000
From: "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4956
Message-ID: <377DDA91.E22C0E2C@alphalink.com.au>
>
> 1. Why do you feel sorry for them? Its their taste in music, not yours. I know you're just voicing your opinion, but wording it the way you did makes it seem like they're inferior to you for not liking Floyd.
I feel sorry for you because your missing out on a great experience. Just like I feel sorry that
I will never get to climb mount everest or for poor people who will never get to eat chocolate.
Its not a matter of you being inferior but your just missing out on something really cool.
>
> 2. aah, synching Dark Side with Oz was interesting for about 2 seconds for me. The coincidences are at most times very vauge, and the big synchs are few and far between.
Well a lot of people think that at first but visit http://www.xnet.com/~arkiver/synch/dsotr.shtml, and see what
they have to say. Theres pages and pages of stuff. If you tell me all of that is just coincidence you must be crazy.
You will get some idea of the true genius of Pink Floyd.
> 3. Just because something is influenced by something else, doesnt mean you have to like the influence. Theres many guitarists I love, for example, that list Yngwie Malmsteen as an influence, yet I find Yngwie, at least compared to whats around today, as extremely boring an unimaginative (though I admit a lot of his runs make good practice tools). Does that mean that I shouldnt like so-and-so because I dont like Yngwie?
True, that was just a thought I had that time which was maybe better left unsaid. But still, personally I have difficulty
seeing how people don't like good bands. I don't mean to sound like I'm being superior again, but I pretty much
get into all the bands that this list talks about and all the 'classic' bands. I wasn't like that once, but that was when
I was like 14 and thought the coolest band was offspring. It doesn't take much to appreciate all good music just for
being music.
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Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 10:09:02 EDT
From: WoodyTJ34@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: More odds and ends
Message-ID: <5d50741b.24af737e@aol.com>
Hey,
-I didn't think anyone still listened to Howard Stern anymore. I thought the
Chicago boy had beat his ass in every city?!?
-The Pink Floyd "dislike list" is now up to THREE. They are very boring and
each song sounds the same, IMHO. I won't knock anyone for listening to them,
but they are not my cup of tea.
-I can't wait to see Megadeth on Nitro. Hope fully, their new drummer is as
good as Nick. We'll wait and see.
-And can we cut the childish shiznit mojo? It's getting really old.
That's all for now.
See ya,
TW
"I sit down with my son, set to see the Crimson Sunset."
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Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 20:07:34 +0200
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: LTE future
Message-ID: <377E5166.EF81934B@mol.com.mk>
So, Mike said no more LTE! Jammers want more! What to do? :)
Do you remember some jammer telling a story while he was on LTE gig and
thru discussion with the tehnician stuff he realised that THEY WERE
RECORDING the gig!!! There was a talk those days that LTE might release
live album!
Can we hope for it? :) Will we all buy it? Can the record company hope
for good sales, which may help them to decide to release a live LTE
album?
Actually, ... with all the recent more and more prog stuff out there, I
wonder what the record companies think about it! Can we say that even in
closed circles of people like us, those sales are going pretty well?
Are the record companies satisfied from the sales of DT albums, LTE,
AOI, Magellan, BLS and so on???
I saw a Modern Drummer magazine in local newspaper stand (mind you, my
country might get slightly older issues and in that case this is not
news for you, and I didn't see the date of the magazine) and there was
article about Rod Morgenstein, with many interviews snippets talking
about DT, Platypus ...
Also there was Mike photo among other drummers, on a page advertising
bass pedals I think!
So ... our prog guys are out there, the world knows about them,
recognizes them so ... when th eprog will reap its deserved fruits? :)
-- CyberDuke ________________________________________"Lisa, get away from that jazzer!" - Simpsons ________________________________________
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Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 21:38:37 +0200 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: medley Message-ID: <377E66BD.5730A374@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:55:46 -0500 > From: Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu> > Subject: spiral architect? > > anyone know about this band Spiral Architect?
Nope, but seems like Black Sabbath fans to me! :)
The Pink Floyd debate:
Being a long-time PF fan, I think it's blaspheme recommending Division Bell over the classics to a new PF dude! :(
CD-ROMS vs. CD players:
I'm sorry to bring this topic again ... but how can I know if all kinds of burned CDs won't damage my CD player? 2 friends that repair CD players already told me that these pirate copied CDs are damaging the player. Which brands are best, secure? Over here it is said that VERBATIM (with Improved Printable Surface) and TDK are best. -- CyberDuke ________________________________________
"Lisa, get away from that jazzer!" - Simpsons ________________________________________
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Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 23:35:16 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DC Cooper's solo album Message-ID: <377F00A4.1A4@fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
You should check out DC Cooper's (Royal Hunt) solo album. DC has one of the best voices and in his incredible album the following=20 musicians are coolaborating with him :
Alfred Koffler, Guitars - PINK CREAM 69 Tore Ostby, Guitars - CONCEPTION Dennis Ward, Bass - PINK CREAM 69 Kosta Zafiriou, Drums - PINK CREAM 69 G=FCnter Werno, Keyboards - VANDEN PLAS
The music is a mixture of Royal Hunt, Conception, Pink Cream 69 and so on= ...
Check out http://bottomrow.com/dccooper/index.htm for more info.
NP : Pink Floyd - The Wall (Disc 1: Another Brick In The Wall part I)
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Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 17:11:48 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: medley Message-ID: <001a01bec5a9$71043a80$5b0d84d0@korgx3>
> Being a long-time PF fan, I think it's blaspheme recommending Division > Bell over the classics to a new PF dude! :(
What? Not prog enough for them? i say, play whatever makes 'em like it. :) I think quite a few people can digest PF's last two albums more than anything else. Hell, I started with Momentary Lapse of Reason. I'd bought the Wall at the same time and was unimpressed with the wall until I'd become comfortable with MLoR. I still don't like anything that predates DSotM, but wtf?
> of burned CDs won't damage my CD player? 2 friends that repair CD > players already told me that these pirate copied CDs are damaging the
It's likely bullshit. I've been using burnt discs for a year now and have had no troubles at all with any of my CD players. It could just be those sticky labels they put on CDR's that are jamming the CD players, I've heard of people having trouble with those. Other than that it's probably just unadmitted abuse. It's like my friend that gets all pissed when his car breaks down. He just won't admit that he drives it like a mad bastard. (It's a sweet Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX and he's blown the turbo out of it twice now). :P
Anyway, was anyone else as impressed with South Park the Movie as I was? A great musical movie. :) Not to mention funny as hell. Fuckin' Canadians. -- KorgX3 gargles Cherry Coke and mothballs. NP: Subtlerage - Random Acts of Insanity (Demo)
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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 03:50:51 +0200 From: "sK@RRe" <skarre@2.sbbs.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Pink Floyd Message-ID: <377EBDFB.303AFFD0@2.sbbs.se>
The right way for you to say that sentence would be: I THINK Synching Dark Side...etc. -- sK@RRe mailto:sdw@home.se http://hem.fyristorg.com/dt
"mikel@alphalink.com.au" wrote:
> ...Synching Dark Side and Wizard of > Oz is one of the greatest musical experience ever, comparable only > to chilling to SOYCD on a dark summer night (whether your on > acid or not)...
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Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 21:48:31 -0400 From: Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Meshuggah / neoclassical Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990703214831.036f38f8@popserver.panix.com>
On 19:26 1999/07/01 -0700, you wrote:
[hilal re meshuggah] > The full-on assault on the > ears combined with the mind-bendingly difficult-to-follow riffs (the > polyrhythmic drumming was no help either, hehehe) just proved a bit muc= h, > I guess, especially compared with the more pleasant-to-the-ears (hehe) > stuff on DEI (and None before it). =20
Well, your crossposting to the meshuggah list of my coffee-induced rave o= n this list caused Gustaf H to write me, "N=E4sta skiva ska bli lite aggresivare hade vi t=E4nkt." ("the next record will be a bit more aggressive, if everything works out") A bit MORE aggressive!??! What the fuck!??! Is it even possible? :) (I hope it doesn't mean less complex!)
> Christ. I'll be finding new things even after 50 listens. There is ju= st > a lot of shit. Somebody even told me that, on some of the songs, you c= an > hear Haake playing his standard 4/4 over whatever polyrhythm, and tappi= ng > a pattern in another time-sig on one of his cymbals. I'm not even clos= e > to being able to pick up on that yet:). =20
Well, I guess the third (last) verse of "concatenation" is a good example of the reverse.. kick and snare marking 4*(5+6)+12/16 (at least I _think_ that's what it is!? makes 64!) and crash lining out the quarter notes (bu= t does it even make any sense to talk about quarter notes here?)
The 5*6+2/8=3D5+6+5+6+5+5/8 in the first two verses of the same song is another finesse.. it's funny how much of the record has 4 as basic pulse even though you would never quite guess it without listening a few times!= ! So it's a very progressive record and it's all in 4/4. <g>
> Just trying to follow some of the > riffs still gives me a headache.
Get thee some aspirin!
> Meshuggah its very own little corner in the metal world. > What a band.
Agreed. I hope the corner gets bigger and that they stick with their uniq= ue vision.
[brian hansen re neoclassical] > > I've seen the term "neo-classical" used on the list many times.=20 > > I was wondering if someone could give me a definition on
> Good guess. If it were in a dictionary, it would have > Yngwie Malmsteen's picture next to it. As the term is > used in metal circles, it refers to metal with the > Yngwie-style of guitar playing. More examples: Vinnie > Moore, Impelliteri, Joe Stump, Tony MacAlpine, > Symphony X (Micheal Romeo), Stratovarius, various > Shrapnel Records guitar projects.=20 > It should be noted that other earlier, guitarists > could have been called neo-classical (Richie > Blackmore, Micheal Schenker, Randy Rhoads, etc.), but > it was Yngwie who crystallized the term in it's > modern, metal usage.
Well, I agree, this is how us rock riffraff use the word nowadays!
There was a neo-classical movement in the 18th century, regarding architecture and such. "Back to the classical era" meaning the antique Greeks, I suppose. I think it had repercussions into the other arts as well. Less emotionalism.. a reaction against the romanticism. Sounds like= a brilliant idea.
Funny also how "we" use the word "progressive rock", because where I come from (Sweden) "prog rock" was extremely political stuff, the "prog" was like in "progressive politics" (as opposed to "reactionary politics"). Political ditties sung by people that would NOT have been seen at a Genes= is concert.. <g>
NP: traffic noise from window
--- Jens. (offline) <jens@panix.com> (http://www.panix.com/~jens/)
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