YTSEJAM Digest 4972
Today's Topics:
1) Re: the meaning behind DEATH VOX
by JubiJuju@aol.com
2) RE: Live Prog mp3 server update!
by "Eric Trautmann" <etrautmann@cds-net.com>
3) Re: various ramblings
by "T.D. Smith" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
4) RE: the meaning behind DEATH VOX
by Shane Hunziker <Shane.Hunziker@harbinger.com>
5) Re: various ramblings
by "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com>
6) The Death Vox of Britney Spears
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4970
by "indii" <indii@vistatech.net>
8) Mergers and CDNow
by MusicSnob@aol.com
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4971
by William Cary Hall <wchall@email.unc.edu>
10) Searching for Planet X
by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
11) Re: Searching for Planet X
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
12) yo
by Devs0432@aol.com
13) Re: NEW NIN
by Diablo6491@aol.com
14) Re: Slayer/Ozz Fest (St. Louis)/Misfits
by Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
15) senseless humor?
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
16) re: Toad's Place in CT DT unplugged question
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
17) MP3 off of Ray Alder's "Engine" Project available!
by Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
18) Mike Portnoy Drum Clinic Tour - Europe '99
by Portnoy420@aol.com
19) Coal Chamber??
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
20) Re: MiniDisc
by Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:04:35 EDT
From: JubiJuju@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: the meaning behind DEATH VOX
Message-ID: <43a9c0d9.24be4753@aol.com>
hey guys can anyone answer a question for me?....where did death vox
originate from....and why are they used?...the reason i ask is because, some
of these black metal bands...have some really great music...with nice
melodies and keyboards and so on...but the moment a singer starts to
growl...it immediately turns me off...i hate that...i mean...once in a while
is ok...but not the entire song let alone entire album....
thanx....Rob
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:17:18 -0400
From: "Eric Trautmann" <etrautmann@cds-net.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: Live Prog mp3 server update!
Message-ID: <002c01bece35$df8e8340$0501010a@PC16>
Adam wrote:
> Hey folks...
>
> My live mp3 server has been updated with two special shows.
>
> The first is Symphony-X's 6/23/98 show from Japan. Very good quality and
> an excellent setlist.
>
> The next will only be available for a very limited time. It's the raw
> soundboard takes from Queensryche's 4/27/92 taping of MTV
> Unplugged. It's
> the entire taping including multiple takes of some songs and treats like
> only the second (and last, actually) "Anybody LIstening?". Get
> this while
> you can.
>
> Adam
> alpine1 (-at-) mindspring.com
> FTP anonymously to 24.5.106.175 (6 users at a time, 50k/sec max speed)
>
Hey Adam
You got some awesome music over there! Can you give me some instruction on
how I can download them? I guess I can't use my browser(IE 5.0). I also
tried using the FTP program that comes with WIN95, but I'm kinda clueless
how it works.
Thanks
Eric
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:22:14 +0100
From: "T.D. Smith" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: various ramblings
Message-ID: <005d01bece36$b632f020$42e52ac2@elydian>
> > My recommendation: Check out Symphony X (Anything but their self-titled)
>
> I was actually thinking about buying this one as I own the other 3 CD's.
> What's wrong with the self titled CD?
>
> Eddy
The vocalist, mainly. Compared to Russell Allen, he's, well, shite; although
compare anyone to Mr. Allen, and they don't look like anything special.
The music is still good, the production is a little iffy, but if you've got
the other three, get it. I have all of them and I could arguably agree that
it's maybe not as good as the others, but that's simply because Symphony X
just get better and better.
Definitely get it, before it decides to become obsolete.
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In a world which your mind controls, belief is reality.
-- T.D. Smith -- E-Mail: elydian@netcomuk.co.uk -- ICQ UIN: 1491970 -- Web Pages: http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~elydian/ =======================================================------------------------------
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:22:53 -0400 From: Shane Hunziker <Shane.Hunziker@harbinger.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: the meaning behind DEATH VOX Message-ID: <FB6DDB4A76FED21181170090273C5FA8256687@atlmisech1.harbinger.com>
I used to feel the same way, but now I'm kinda getting into the death vocals. Amorphis' "Elegy" helped me b/c it's about half & half. And I just picked up Opeth's "My Arms, Your Hearse" and I can't stop listening to it. There is one track with clean vocals but the rest is growled. To me, it seems like the vocals become just another instrument. They aren't distracting like clean vocals b/c you can't understand them! So there's no desire for me to sing along. I can focus on the music. Just my opinion, of course.
Shane Hunziker Harbinger Customer Support -------------------------------------- "You can find all you need in your mind If you take the time."--Dream Theater
> -----Original Message----- > From: JubiJuju@aol.com [SMTP:JubiJuju@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 4:17 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: the meaning behind DEATH VOX > > > hey guys can anyone answer a question for me?....where did death vox > originate from....and why are they used?...the reason i ask is because, > some > of these black metal bands...have some really great music...with nice > melodies and keyboards and so on...but the moment a singer starts to > growl...it immediately turns me off...i hate that...i mean...once in a > while > is ok...but not the entire song let alone entire album.... > thanx....Rob
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:39:38 -0400 From: "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com> To: A Ytse of Seasons <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: various ramblings Message-ID: <4.1.19990714162918.0096ac60@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
Eddy inquired: >> My recommendation: Check out Symphony X (Anything but their self-titled) > >I was actually thinking about buying this one as I own the other 3 CD's. >What's wrong with the self titled CD?
Two words: Rod Tyler. "The Damnation Game", Symphony X's second disc, is the first one with the almighty Russell Allen on vocals. Rod Tyler pales in comparison; he's not BAD, exactly, but he's not that great either.
"Symphony X" does have a few good tracks, like "The Raging Season," but overall it's just not as good as their other stuff.
cheers, Phil
================================================ Phil Carter -- phil@usefulware.com -- Usefulware Production Dept. Official Glass Hammer website: http://www.glasshammer.com/ "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:46:47 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: The Death Vox of Britney Spears Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649016AE7BB@messaging>
I have always somewhat dug death/black/growling/"cookie monster" vox because it allows the guitars to take the melody (especially in black metal). Death metal, for the most part, doesn't have much melody, but black metal does, through the guitar and bass interplay. I'd say check out Opeth's "Morningrise". It's a great disc (though a little lacking in production), and there is about an equal amount clean and growling vox, and you can see that they actually do have a sense of melody (and it's just as catchy as fucking Britney Spears - I mean just as fucking catchy as Britney Spears)... :)
David Dixon, MCP Consultant E-Commerce & Internet Technology Solutions Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com ytsedave@asu.edu
> -----Original Message----- > From: Shane Hunziker [SMTP:Shane.Hunziker@harbinger.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 1:29 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: the meaning behind DEATH VOX > > > I used to feel the same way, but now I'm kinda getting into the death > vocals. > Amorphis' "Elegy" helped me b/c it's about half & half. And I just picked > up > Opeth's "My Arms, Your Hearse" and I can't stop listening to it. There is > one > track with clean vocals but the rest is growled. To me, it seems like the > vocals > become just another instrument. They aren't distracting like clean vocals > b/c > you can't understand them! So there's no desire for me to sing along. I > can > focus on the music. Just my opinion, of course. > > Shane Hunziker > Harbinger Customer Support >
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:44:17 -0400 From: "indii" <indii@vistatech.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4970 Message-ID: <000701bece42$0fece7a0$dd83cbcf@matts>
hey .. i'm not sure why but i've still yet to pick up a jethro tull or moody blues cd.. my floyd, rush, genesis, crimson, zappa cd consumption is at an alltime high but for some reason never picked up a disk from these two bands.. anyways.. i need some album reviews.. thanx..
inferno NP: automatic man - automatic man
I have Jethro Tull "20 years of Tull" and it kicks ass.. Love almost every song on it.. I haven't listened to any of the full length Tull albums..
NP: VAST - Flames
indii icq 20280371
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:00:02 EDT From: MusicSnob@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mergers and CDNow Message-ID: <8c605321.24be6262@aol.com>
A common victim of Darwinian Capitalism is competition. At first a large entity comes onto the scene (you could use the example of Best Buy) and sells a similar product (in this case cds) for a lower price than the smaller competition (Kemp Mill, Camelot, whoever). The consumer, seeking to get the best deal, then buys all his cds (in our case, mostly domestic-release cds) at Best Buy due to superior price and selection. Next thing you know, the competition goes under (this process took a few years in the case of Best Buy) and the prices go up; way up.
To apply this lesson to CDNow, their prices are superior to any other online vendor (especially with the $x-off deals). CDNow has swallowed up its major competitor (Music Boulevard) and now a merger with the only other major mail-order cd vendor, the cycle is about to be complete. Will CDNow's prices go up? I have to believe they will. What can we, the buyer do? Not much. In a market where price is king, this is the way of the world, and we can only hope another CD "gas station" opens on the next corner. The idea that distributors may be owning sales outlets, while helping them, is disturbing to the consumer because another gas station, so to speak, may not be able to get its gas at a reasonable price. We better hope there is a counterweight or else cd prices are going to go up...
NP: Steel Prophet - Dark Hallucinations
Kevin
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:59:41 -0400 From: William Cary Hall <wchall@email.unc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4971 Message-ID: <378D165D.37A536@email.unc.edu>
Brian Lundy wrote:
>>>>Sony portable audio is a sad, sad joke. Sony admits (to us, anyway), that most of it is actually AIWA. (Which is shit). To the few out there who said that their DSP2's and such still work, great, more power to you, but you're the exception, not the rule. We nickmaned the Sony portable cd players, "boomarangs", because as soon as you send one out the door, it will inevitably come right back. Sony audio just isn't what it used to be, and it was never really that great for starters.>>>
I'll second that opinion of AIWA. I've had two AIWA CD players, a three disc minisystem and a 100 disc changer. Both have been a source of constant problems, such as skipping on just-opened CD's and mechanical malfunctions on trying to load the CD's. Don't buy AIWA CD Players, this has happened to everyone that I know with an AIWA system.
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:31:36 -0500 From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Searching for Planet X Message-ID: <000701bece59$72239ba0$d05099d1@default>
Has anyone been successful in finding Planet X? I've been to my local Best Buy and Circuit City but no luck. When I asked the clerks about it they looked at me like I had monkeys flying out of my ass.
Mike
Mike and Susan Verstraete www.sound.net/~homewks
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:40:57 -0400 From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Searching for Planet X Message-ID: <378D4A39.80E982A6@wezl.org>
M store carries it (Cd Warehouse) if anyone is having trouble, I can get it for $12.99 plus whatever it's gonna cost to ship.
Mike & Susan Verstraete wrote: > > Has anyone been successful in finding Planet X? I've been to my local Best > Buy and Circuit City but no luck. When I asked the clerks about it they > looked at me like I had monkeys flying out of my ass. > > Mike > > Mike and Susan Verstraete > www.sound.net/~homewks
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:54:04 EDT From: Devs0432@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: yo Message-ID: <8a46d2c6.24bea74c@aol.com>
Hey folks, back on AOhell for a while...
I've been keeping up with the jams on my other address, but had just a quick question for you guys, and wanted to ask it before I forgot.
*cough* Is there some kind of official site or recommended site, that I could check out for Paradise Lost? Anyone? Buehler?
WSOU played a whole chunk of them tonight - first time I heard them on the radio - and it kicked ass. Any info would be appreciated, as usual!
thanks, Alex
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:52:37 EDT From: Diablo6491@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: NEW NIN Message-ID: <4e5f723c.24bea6f5@aol.com>
<< Has anyone heard the two new NIN songs!!!?!!! They kick large amounts of ass! >>
AHHH, where??? WHEN???????
RaY
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:15:24 -0500 From: Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Slayer/Ozz Fest (St. Louis)/Misfits Message-ID: <19990714.221530.3358.1.schnapster@juno.com>
Damn, Slayer didn't play Seasons in the Abyss when I saw them recently in St. Louis. I'm not a huge Slayer fan, but I do really dig that song. They were pretty good, too. The only really disturbing thing was when the crowd would be cheering whenever they showed footage from Auschwitz on the overhead screen :). Anyway, Hed (Pe) was alright. They ahd a decent groove, but I couldn't really get too much into them. Fear Factory kicked ass. Drain STH was good, but they played way too short a set. Primus. Well, I loved them. I thought they were tight, and I really dug the new song they played. Sabbath kicked ass. Ozzy is getting really old now, but he's still Ozzy, and the rest of the guys were in top form. Rob Zombie actually put on a good show. I'm not really into him, but he's a good showman. Deftones were alright, but I'm just not all that into them. It was cool seeing a couple guys from Fear Factory jamming with them, though. Also, a higlight of Zombie's set was the dude from Slayer playing Thunderkiss '65 with them. Anyway, Ozz Fest was killer. Oh, and anyone interested, The Misfits are playing The Blue Note in Columbia, MO July 27. I'll be there. Earth Crisis is opening.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:31:52 PDT From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: senseless humor? Message-ID: <19990715033153.39901.qmail@hotmail.com>
>A coworker of mine saw me LTE2 case laying on my desk and >said, 'Ohmigod. >You have an album by G. Gordon Liddy!' >Think about it...do you ever see Liddy and Tony Levin in the same >room >together? Hmm... >Mike
did anyone other than me find this funny? tough being a political junky in these cynical times.....of course, when you got Jesse Ventura jumping back in to the WWF's ring.....
happy bastille day! (with twenty minutes to spare :) partha
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:34:52 PDT From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Toad's Place in CT DT unplugged question Message-ID: <19990715033453.75591.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hey, who saw DT's unplugged show at Toad's Place this past winter? >My question is, remember that one blues type cover they did where James >sang >his ass off way up high? What is the song/who's it by? Since I've Been Lovin' You. Led Zep. I wasn't there but I've heard the show (or at least that number) at LITS.
I was at that show...it was NOT unplugged, although they played a lot of their more...."not-insane" material (WFS, Another Day). Toad's Place sucks if yer under 21, btw. big ol' net on the side of the stage...I saw Myung's and James's heads a few times during that show Fran "Banjoman" Brennan
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:56:13 -0700 From: Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>, Subject: MP3 off of Ray Alder's "Engine" Project available! Message-ID: <378D5BDD.6D8E11E8@ivorygate.com>
Head out to http://www.ivorygate.com/fw to grab an MP3 of the song "Alone" and play it loud...
-- ~Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> <ICQ # 2070538> "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<< >>> Underground Internet Radio at: http://listen.to/ytseradio <<<
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Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:38:04 EDT From: Portnoy420@aol.com To: Portnoy420@aol.com Subject: Mike Portnoy Drum Clinic Tour - Europe '99 Message-ID: <1c4d795d.24bebfac@aol.com>
Mike Portnoy Drum Clinic Tour - Europe '99
Sun Sept 19 - Birmingham Drum Fest, UK (info- 01384-565-422) Mon Sept 20 - Leeds, UK (same info #) Tues Sept 21 - Reading, UK (same info #) Wed Sept 22 - Rome, Italy (info- 39-02-935-961) Thurs Sept 23 - Pisa, Italy (same info #) Fri Sept 24 - Madrid, Spain (info- 34-91-680-1505) Sat Sept 25 - Sevilla, Spain (same info #) Mon Sept 27 - Lisbon, Portugal (info- 351-1445-8190) Tues Sept 28 - Oporto, Portugal (same info #) Wed Sept 29 - Hellendoom, Netherlands (info- 31-02975-67788) Thurs Sept 30 - Rotterdam, Netherlands (same info #) Sat Oct 2 - Copenhagen, Denmark (info- 46-0303-92260) Sun Oct 3 - Gothenburg Drum Festival, Sweden (same info #) Mon Oct 4 - Borlange, Sweden (same info #) Tues Oct 5 - Helsinki, Finland (info- 358-9757-1344) Wed Oct 6 - Tampere, Finland (same info #) Thurs Oct 7 - Lille, France (info- 33-01-3995-2688) Fri Oct 8 - Nancy, France (same info #)
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Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:53:49 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Coal Chamber?? Message-ID: <378D695D.3923790A@home.com>
Just read this little news clipping: > Citing "production difficulties," progressive metal purveyors Coal > Chamber dropped off of their tour with Insane Clown Posse and > Biohazard over the weekend.
OK, I've never actually HEARD Coal Chamber before...... but something tells me they're not "purveyors of prog metal!" ;)
--
- Joe DeAngelo jdeangelo@home.com ICQ # 1872723 -------------------------------------------- "Our worlds collide, now in disguise You'll feel the Wrath Divine Tears of woe fall from the sky..." - Symphony X, "The Divine Wings of Tragedy" --------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:07:21 -0500 From: Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: MiniDisc Message-ID: <l03130300b3b31c8f885d@[128.83.154.63]>
from what I understand about MD, the compression is pretty heavy, but it's in frequencies most folks can't hear. ie, anything above ~15kHz is cut out. isn't this sorta how MP3 compression works, also?
Jim Shields Guitar/vocals - Room 213 (www.room213.com) Now Officially a Radio-TV-Film Student!
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