YTSEJAM Digest 5005
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Chromakey.
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
2) Re: Planet X cd
by "Mike Patrick" <mvpatrick@home.com>
3) Prog with Horns
by T Ismail Reza <lukalama@rad.net.id>
4) Re: To MP3 or not to MP3...
by trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
5) Re: DT w/ Jordan
by "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
6) Petrucci interview in Guitar World
by "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
7) Just a quick Question
by Kevin Villines <kvill@flash.net>
8) RE: Zeus
by "xxx" <hipodilski_@web.bg>
9) Re:DT w/ Jordan
by Michael Pruchnicki <mlpruchnicki@computec.de>
10) Nine Inch Nails?
by "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
11) stuff. lots of it.
by "Joe Bissonnette" <Bissonnette@cdr.wisc.edu>
12) DT in Budapest '98
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:05:00 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Chromakey.
Message-ID: <379FA8BC.82BCB80E@yunque.net>
Korg Ecksthrey wrote:
> Buy it. Chromakey never gets old. :) Besides, with Mark Zonder on drums,
> what more can you ask for? :) It's hard to pinhole this album. If you've
> heard VAST, it's kind of like that, only CK is VERY piano oriented.
> Basically, just think of a bunch of songs written similar to Space Dyed Vest
> and you've got it. :)
>
I agree with you on everything youve said, but the Space Dye Vest part,
*maybe* if you think of the SDV demo w/ kevmo on vocals, but still..the songs on
DAfR, arent that much similar to SDV. They're a little more upbeat ( altho still
hold a darkened mood ) . All in all Chromakey is one of my favorite albums of
all time, and it hasnt left my cd changer since it was released ( always on the
never changing last slot :P~) Anyone whos open to different styles of music, or
if youre a metal head trying to broaden your horizons..you cant lose with this
disc.
>
> I'm glad he's releasing another CK album. I can't get enough of it.
> Not his MM2BH demoes, or This is a Recording, or... :)
> --
> KorgX3 wants to have KevMo's children.
> NP: Nothing.
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 20:42:34 -0400
From: "Mike Patrick" <mvpatrick@home.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Planet X cd
Message-ID: <00ce01bed95b$401ac4a0$6da20418@CT466024-A.nblvil1.in.home.com>
>I'm selling my copy of the "Planet X" cd. I just got it, I think on
Monday,
>(it's practically brand new), listened to it and just can't get into it.
So
Ouch. I am VERY surprised there hasn't been more Planet X talk since the
album's release. I was always pretty ambivalent towards Derek, but this
album (and his playing on Platypus, for that matter) just blows me away. He
is really proven that his bag of tricks lacks for nothing.
Speaking of lacking for nothing, I've got two words: Virgil. Donati. Yes,
the guy doesn't have a kit the size of Tokyo, but god, the guy is just
mind-blowingly tight. When I first heard he was 'all feet', I had visions of
some guy who just pounded 64th notes on double bass, which a lot of guys can
do (and shouldn't). Donati's feet are incredibly rhythmic - I mean, he
sounds like he's doing stuff that's could keep most other drummers in fits.
Heck, between his feet and his snare, he almost doesn't need to do anything
else.
Can you tell I hope Planet X is around for a while?
Mike
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:20:24 +0700
From: T Ismail Reza <lukalama@rad.net.id>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Prog with Horns
Message-ID: <379FC878.FCA9AD0F@rad.net.id>
>>>
I remember a while back someone asking about progressive bands with
horns (other than the occasional sax) in a
progressive band.=20
<<<
=20
This posting about some prog band with horns reminds me of some band in
the 70...(?) called "Chase".=20
Besides Blood Sweat & Tears, I think Chase is a KILLER!=20
And from what I heard about them is sad; the band had an accident in
plane or someting; so all of members killed in that accident.
The Chase horn section consists only trumpet, trumpet and trumpet=85
And what a magnificent sound these trumpets are!
I'm still looking for other release from this group=85=20
I don't know anything about Flight though.^_^
Just my $ 0.2=85
BTW, Was there any posting mentioned here in the Jam about the
prog-group UK? I forgot in which mailing list I read about the
posting...=20
The Schizoid One;
Reza!
np________Possibly Maybe; Bjork
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smoking, you may do so only outside the building or downstairs in the
cold cellar we
affectionately call ... the Dungeon."=20
-Robert Fripp
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 20:46:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: To MP3 or not to MP3...
Message-ID: <19990729034657.24573.rocketmail@web505.yahoomail.com>
--- Korg Ecksthrey <korgx3@safelink.net> wrote:
>
> Sometimes
> I wonder whether people can actually hear a
> difference or if it's just a
> psychological reaction cause from the knowledgs that
> it's just not quite as
> perfect. I honestly can't tell (which is great to
> me!) :)
>
> That's my take on it.
> --
> KorgX3
Yer da man Korg. As to your point (which I now
realize I snipped), a band could release a DVD audio
album packed with interviews, studio tracks, maybe
some live tracks, ads for merchandise, videos, some
other shit. Let's not forget that DVD is double sided
(as I understand it, anyway). That might open up a
new arena...
As far as sound quality goes, I'm not audiophile.
Hell, I'm tone deaf. Unless an mp3 is extremely
shitty quality, it sounds just like the CD to me. And
anyway, as long as the freakin' thing's listenable,
what the fuck do I care if it's "CD quality" or not? Feh.
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*Trent
"Here he comes, he's a man of the land he's Leatherman, smile on his face, axe in his hand."
Eddie Vedder, '98
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 23:47:22 -0400
From: "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT w/ Jordan
Message-ID: <199907282051143@ytsejam11.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
<<I mean look
at that song: "Tell me what your thinking..." of the video. I'm telling
you, it's more about good mellow stuff and songwriting than Riff
masterpieces now... Don't be let down, just know what to expect.>>
I think its funny how even though we know how diverse DT can be, we still think we can guess how the new album is gonna sound by a few bits and peices. Just because what JP was playing in the Bear Tracks video was mellow, and there were no heavy or complex bands in "insparation corner" doesnt mean that the album cant have a good chunk of ultra progressive shred or some heavy stuff.
What if the only examples from Awake that you heard before the album came out were The Silent Man and Lifting Shadows? I bet you'd all say "oh, DT's gone mellow, they're not doing any heavy stuff" then when you actually heard the album and got smacked in the face by The Mirror coming off of TSM, you'd probably change your mind. So don't try to second guess what the new album is gonna sound like by a few sparse examples, DT is too diverse to be judged so easily.
Matt
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 23:52:02 -0400
From: "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Petrucci interview in Guitar World
Message-ID: <199907282055553@ytsejam11.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
I thought I should bring up a small interview Petrucci did for Guitar World recently. He mentions something about the new album I think the skeptics should take notice of. Its not an exact quote, but it was something like this:
"When DT first started out, we were really enthusiastic about that spontaneous, play-as-much-as-you-can stuff, but as we became more professional and better at writing songs and melodies, that passion dissapeared a bit. As soon as we started recording LTE1, I felt that passion again, and I brought it back to DT, re-dedicated to playing fast and furious, while still being melodic"
I dunno about you, but judging by that statement alone, DT99 is gonna kick some serious arse.
Matt
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 23:01:46 -0500
From: Kevin Villines <kvill@flash.net>
To: YtseJam Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Just a quick Question
Message-ID: <379FD22A.23B0C139@flash.net>
Can anyone tell me (like in the next few minutes, via a direct e-mail to
me) if there are indeed any bonus tracks on the Japanese 2cd release of
Once in A Livetime? I'd appreciate a quick reply (to me, as I'm
subscribed via Digest). Thanks, Kevin.
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:11:51 +0300 From: "xxx" <hipodilski_@web.bg> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: RE: Zeus Message-ID: <000701bed991$a58e3c00$0c06a8c0@xxx>
>So, you were there, man!:) >That is cool. I remember a guy from Sofia was standing just before me. DT >played some non-album tracks, and this Bulgarian guy just sang along.. >Well, if it helps, I was on the right side, in one of the first rows.
IT WAS ME, MAN! :-)))) I remember you pretty well. :-) Indeed before the show they played a couple of unreleased tracks through the PA. And of course I sang along with TWIUTB and Cover My Eyes. Yeah, I knew them from the famous FII demos MP3s (Long live Dr. Mosh and his ftp servers!). It was pretty cool when they played RTK with vocals because nobody knew that song and there were constant questions "What the f**k is this?" around me. As far as I remember, there was a crazy guy behind us, who kept on screaming "Let's hear some f**king music!" all the time. :-) Nice crowd. :-))))))))
{What did metallica play?}
The exact setlist was (taken from www.metontour.com) Breadfan, Master of Puppets (full version), Of wolf and man, The thing that should not be, Fuel, Memory remains, Bleeding me, Four Horsemen, For whom the bell tolls, King nothing, Wherever I may roam, One, Fight fire with fire, Nothing else Matters, Sad but true, Creeping death, Die die die my darling, Enter sandman, Battery
>The same here. I liked the pyrotechnics very much, though. Fuel just starts >(Gimme Fuel, Gimme Fire, Gimme that which I desire) and just after that an >enormous giant flame of burst came up. >And One...before One, we had some war-scene on the stage. Sounds of >machine guns, helicopters, mines...incredible. >Moreover, in the second part (Darkness imprisoning me), after the word >_Landmine_ has taken my sight a fucking big 'landmine' exploded in the >background. So...it was incredible.
The same here man. Very spectacular thing, yeah! :-) And on Fight Fire With Fire, when the two big flamethrowers around Lars were burning and he was pounding the double bass! Wow! And of course on TWTBT the nice moment when James sang "Take a look to the sky just before you die, IT'S THE LAST TIME YOU WILL, will, will, will..." Every time I remember this my neck begins to move alone. :-)))))))))) BTW the Bulgarian TV broadcasted the show recenlty. Guess who taped it... :-))))
>To add some DT content...;) DT played the second part of One here in >Hungary...;) With MP singing and playing the drums...;) >It was awesome. I just saw that a mike is before his mouth, and he >shouted...;) MP rules...;)
Yeah, man! It was incredible! DT will always rule. (here's your DT content).
Victor
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:29:51 +0200 From: Michael Pruchnicki <mlpruchnicki@computec.de> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re:DT w/ Jordan Message-ID: <A1205194D0DAD2119B05006097B4030801E3CE@Mail.computec.de>
> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:58:03 -0400 > From: "Brandon S. Jessee" <branjispad@juno.com> > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: Re: DT w/ Jordan > Message-ID: <19990728.115454.-107545.0.BranJisPAD@juno.com>
> Awake? um no... If you can't tell already Dream Theater's CHUNK days are > comming to a close. They will still write things in odd time, but the > metal influence is going away.
Er ... yeah, right .... You *DID* miss LTE2, eh ? I can clearly remember hearing the metal influence go away on Another Dimension, Acid Rain ...
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:04:51 +0200 From: "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr> To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Nine Inch Nails? Message-ID: <001301bed9c3$2563cc20$15e91dc3@sasa>
hey guys, anyone likes N.I.N.? Are "The Downward Spiral" and "Further Down The Spiral" worth getting? This guys I did a trade once owes me one more disc and this is what i was planning on getting:
In Flames - Colony or N.I.N. - TDS or FDtS
i`d appreciate the advice... since these are only cds in his collection that are somehow acceptable to my taste (and i heard N.I.N.`s tDS is damn good). He has a load of norwegian black metal bands cds which aren`t excatly my cup of tea...
"Lifting shadows off a dream Once broken She can turn a drop of water Into an ocean..."
John Myung of Dream Theater ["Lifting Shadows Off A Dream"]
sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr ICQ UIN - 6098813
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:50:29 -0500 From: "Joe Bissonnette" <Bissonnette@cdr.wisc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: stuff. lots of it. Message-ID: <862567BD.004631BE.00@domino.cdr.wisc.edu>
> From: "Brandon S. Jessee" <branjispad@juno.com> > Not that Metallica compares but,... Metallica riffed it up forever, then > they put out a more laid back , blues , groove based album (no they > didn't sell out, Load is far from the alternative guitar styles...) So,
And I thought the holy war was over. <sigh> I'm not even going to get into this one.
Bruce Forst's grand vision: > whoever to get better transmission rates to the public. For that matter, ALL > of the internet is idling... waiting for this to happen. Bank that it will, > there is alot of venture capitalists that have sunk huge amounts of money > into their internet stocks waiting for those ridiculously high IPO's to pay > off. And they're not about to let it get stalled because nobody could get > people transmission rates that make the whole internet experience less > frustrating and time consuming.
This is only partially true. High bandwidth will revolutionize the internet and really make it an integral part of everyone's lives, but there is still a long ways to go (from a venture capitalist standpoint) with old fashioned dialups. Over half of American households still don't have an internet connection. And the rest of the world lags WAY behind that. Lots of money left to be made even without high speed.
> > so.. when that happens. When new cable, fiber optics etc.. is in place, > expect to see the true colors of the digital music revolution. Don't expect
The first round of high bandwidth will not lead to non-lossy formats. Even on a t1 a 50 meg download (your average song in a non-lossy format) is a hefty download. I fear once people really get on the bandwagon, cable is going to slow to a crawl. And then there's storage of the beast. One song isn't a problem. But download an entire album (hours), and store your whole music collection on your hard-drive as wav's (500 megs+ per album)... not gonna happen. Once we all have 100+ gig hard drives and fiber optics directly to our machines, then we'll talk about non-lossy sound formats.
> record labels to die out. They will change. Adapting to the new way things > are done. I have no doubt that the smarter more forward thinking companies > are already positioning themselves to be new brokers of the digital music > scene. The will however have to take a hit in the ludicrously high profit > they make from cd distribution and that will mean easier cheaper music for > us. They will have to focus more on the production and promotion of the > artists.
And then there's SDMI... We'll all have cool digital audio devices, and our stereos will all play digital audio files, but if I record something in my little home studio I'll have to fork over a pile of dough so that I can get it SDMI certified or whatever or else you all won't be able to play it (not that you'd want to hear me play anyhow, but just for the sake of argument). It's a great idea, because, like, I think the recording companies really don't have enough power over the industry right now. <ack>
I certainly hope the public rejects this like they did DIVX. The recording industry is pretty much here with their hat in hand begging for the public to throw 'em a bone so they can retain their oligopoly power and keep screwing us all. The pathetic thing is, if I were a betting man, I'd bet they pull it off. They've so completely whipped the media into a frenzy about mp3 and piracy that they don't know the difference between the two, and the recording companies won't even have to advertise for SDMI because the media will pass it off as the greatest thing since sliced bread.
> Is that once the dist. of music goes digital that the emphasis on "hit" > songs will grow even more absurd. Once you can start to buy songs > individually then what is the point of allowing artists to produce other > songs that traditionally just filled the disc. We may start to see TRUE "one > hit wonders", bands that go into the studio and record one hit song. we'll > see... >
Interesting observation, and probably true. Individual song distribution will definitely have it's effect on the way music is recorded and distributed. Probably not in expected ways. How about a concept album serial... come back next week for the exciting conclusion to Operation Mindcrime.
Here's a question for you. What about radio/mtv once all that has converged with high bandwidth computer communications? People could capture the bitstream and get high quality files of any music played over sources like that. Do they try and combat that technology, or just designate a certain amount of songs to be free. If they do the later, how does that tie into individual song distribution, and the idea of hit songs... What good is a hit if A) it's free and B) you can acquire songs individually. There may be no profit in being a one-hit wonder. You would have to develop a reputation as being consistently good to make money.
I don't know. It's all so confusing. My brain hurts.
> What if find exciting ( I know, this is getting long, but I think about this > alot) is with the new distribution media and the dropping cost of decent > quality recording gear, that small studios with smaller budgets will be able > to get artists recorded and distrubuted easier and more efficiently than > ever. I can see "indy" servers running that people log into with their > "recorder/players" and downloading the latests from "Tim's garage". Large > labels that are right now standing in between me and you and great artists > could be done away with.... maybe. >
Definitely, although, again, SDMI could crush this. If people have to pay a lot of money and go through a drawn out process to get SDMI certified this isn't going to happen. For commercial reasons all (or nearly all) digital audio devices, digital audio compatible stereos, and digital audio software will be SDMI certified, and won't play any files that aren't likewise SDMI certified. Truly it's a beautiful system these guys cooked up. There will probably be a small hacker underground with their old fashioned non-certified players that enjoys uncertified files, but that might be it.
> Subject: Nigthwish Tourdates ! > > >THURSDAY 18.11.1999 NETHERLANDS GRONINGEN Vera > >FRIDAY 19.11.1999 GERMANY OSNABRUCK Works > >SATURDAY 20.11.1999 BELGIUM VOSSELAAR Blebob > >SUNDAY 21.11.1999 GERMANY BOCHUM Zeche > >MONDAY 22.11.1999 GERMANY SAARBRUCKEN Garage
Ummm, so when are they coming to Wisconsin?
Korg, in his infinite wisdom, thus spoke:
> The way I see it is that sooner or later CD's will go the wayside of > cassettes and be replaced with DVD. Eventually, someone's going to come up > with a creative (and probably pretty cool) way to utilize dolby surround > sound or whatever and that'll become the new modicum for modern music > listening, just as standard stereo took over mono back in AL's days. :)
There is already DVDAudio.. complete with surround. The first players are just coming out now. I think there's also a competing audiophile type of DVD audio format too which isn't out yet. The nice thing is these players will also play standard cd's.
> 120-minute super quality (20+ bit) digital surround sound albums. Maybeusing > DVD technology, they could easily make it so that you can remove the > guitar tracks, vocal tracks (Karaoke people would kill for that), etc. from > a song on a whim, making it easy for people to remix a song however they > want. Who knows? >
King Crimson has a DVD out that allows you to mix and match players from different eras of the band for the 20th Century Schizoid Man, so you can come up with your personal dream lineup and hear how it would sound.
> From: "Zeusz dA ReAl V0CalISt" <zeusz@bigfoot.com> > > I see. It is quite interesting. Savatage is an American band, and they > release their album earlier in Europe...funny... True, but when I hear the term Euro-metal, the first thing that comes to my mind is 'This is the Time' by Savatage. They may be American, but their heart is European (awww).
The Oracle then said: > > Buy it. Chromakey never gets old. :) Besides, with Mark Zonder on drums, > what more can you ask for? :) It's hard to pinhole this album. If you've > heard VAST, it's kind of like that, only CK is VERY piano oriented. > Basically, just think of a bunch of songs written similar to Space Dyed Vest > and you've got it. :) >
Be forewarned though, that it is nothing like Dream Theater. It's much more wicked =). Awesome soundscapes, great atmospheric type stuff. Very cynical and dark. KevMo is an awesome songwriter. The lyrics are up and down though, some are really great, others come off a bit trite. Overall my favorite album of the year so far.
Biz whew. top that, Jon Parmet =)
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:25:58 +0200 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT in Budapest '98 Message-ID: <37A08096.922CBE6F@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 00:32:25 +0200 > From: "Zeusz dA ReAl V0CalISt" <zeusz@bigfoot.com> > > >From: "xxx" <hipodilski@softhome.net> > > >Along with the > >DT 16.06.98 show, it's one of my best things in my life. > > So, you were there, man!:) > That is cool. I remember a guy from Sofia was standing just before me.
I was there too! :) Check http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/budapics.html for some cool pictures of it! :)
> DT played some non-album tracks, and this Bulgarian guy just > sang along..
Err, I don't recall non-album tracks! -- CyberDuke ________________________________________
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