YTSEJAM Digest 4953
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Majesty demos mp3?
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
2) I need to quit smoking this shit...
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
3) re: Dali's Drummer...
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
4) Spiral Architect - Pat Thrall
by Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
5) Control Denied, Yngwie J. Malmsteen, Queensryche
by "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
6) oh hell...
by "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4952
by Daniel Wessler <wessled@alleg.edu>
8) Re: PF
by "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net>
9) Yngwie Question
by Shane Hunziker <Shane.Hunziker@harbinger.com>
10) Re: LTE's lineup -- Jens and Mike, chime in!
by Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
11) SOYCD
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
12) Prog metal on Howard Stern
by TEDESCO MATTHEW A <Matthew.Tedesco@Colorado.EDU>
13) He's BAAAAAAAAAAACK and just as 'quantity not quality' filled as ever :)
by jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov
14) DEATH/ CONTROL DENIED'S CHUCK SCHULDINER SPEAKS OUT
by "Todd Fostvedt" <tfostvedt@csu.org>
15) Re: zonder impression?
by Alexis Ramos <alexis_ramos@yahoo.com>
16) Re: Prog metal on Howard Stern
by bplumb@pi-r-squared.com
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:51:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Majesty demos mp3?
Message-ID: <19990701065138.1765.rocketmail@web306.yahoomail.com>
--- "sK@RRe" <skarre@2.sbbs.se> wrote:
>=20
> Is there a collection of Majesty demo mp3's somewhere?
Yes there is. http://dreamtheater.dhs.org
> Thanks!
You're welcome ;)
=3D=3D=3D
Janne Jokitalo
Boss Information: jaska@boss.fi
Jyv=E4skyl=E4 University: jajokita@st.jyu.fi
Homepage: http://www.jyu.fi/~jajokita
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 02:55:30 -0500
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: I need to quit smoking this shit...
Message-ID: <377B1EF2.582C88EF@isd.net>
I had a really sick thought... Cue up APSoG on part V (track 5).
Now advance and pause at 4 minutes. Now play that part and imagine
Elmer Fudd on vocals.
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
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"Here kitty kitty." --ALF
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:44:26 +0200
From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re: Dali's Drummer...
Message-ID: <v04210100b3a0e893f8bc@[192.168.1.1]>
Hi!
>Just give me those raging guitars, heavy double-bass drums back.
>That's what it's all about, for me....
No problem. Buy LTE2.
Steffen
--
Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@westend.com)
THE MIRROR - German Dream Theater Fan Club (http://www.westend.com/TheMirror)
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 20:04:27 +1000
From: Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Spiral Architect - Pat Thrall
Message-ID: <377B3D2B.961E3EC@ozemail.com.au>
Well the long awaited Spiral Architect album
'A Sceptic's Universe' will be available
September 15, 1999.
Go to the site below, you'll find a ra clip of a song off the CD.
http://www.lasercd.com/
Pat Thrall recorded a classic a few years ago with
Glenn Hughes called 'Hughes/Thrall'
He then joined Asia for a brief spell.
He toured with Meatloaf for a while.
I am not sure who he is playiing with these days
though he is said to be recording with Glenn again.
Graham
www.ozemail.com.au/~ytsejam
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 14:15:03 +0200
From: "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Control Denied, Yngwie J. Malmsteen, Queensryche
Message-ID: <010b01bec3bb$60ee8e60$3de91dc3@sasa>
this is what i`ve found in the www.metal-rules.com news section...
"Chuck Schuldiner's Control Denied
Chuck Schuldiner's CONTROL DENIED has wrapped up the recording process with
new and improved bass tracks courtesy of Steve DiGiorgio. The lineup is
completed by Death's Richard Christy and Shannon Hamm as well as newcomer
Tim Aymar on vocals with production duties ala Jim Morris. The debut full
length, The Fragile Art of Existence, should the light of day in October
through Nuclear Blast."
I heard that this Tim Aymar guy has Bruce Dickinson type-of-vocals... this
is going to rock big time! "The Sound Of Perseverance" was a masterpiece!
.. errr, remember Steve DiGiorgio? *evil grin* :-)))) Richard Christy?
Shannon Hamm? Maybe Hamm is related to Stuart Hamm... j/k :-)))
"Yngwie J. Malmsteen
It is confirmed that Mark Boals will be singing on the new YNGWIE MALMSTEEN
album. Producer Chris Tsangarides is presently in Miami finishing up some of
the material right now. According to sources close to the project, Yngiwe is
getting back to a Rising Force/Marching Out style!!"
"QUEENSRYCHE's ninth album, Q2K, will be out on September 14th. The album
was produced by Kelly Gray, who has been officially added as the band's new
guitarist, replacing Chris DeGarmo. A tour is planned for early to
mid-October."
NP: Chroma Key - Sun Orange Small
"Lifting shadows off a dream
Once broken
She can turn a drop of water
Into an ocean..."
John Myung of Dream Theater
["Lifting Shadows Off A Dream"]
sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr
ICQ UIN - 6098813
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 14:27:17 +0200
From: "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: oh hell...
Message-ID: <011301bec3bd$1522f3c0$3de91dc3@sasa>
http://www.nuclearblast-usa.com/news.html
Well, after good news about Control Denied... read the official
press-release by Chuck Schuldiner. The man has a "brain stem tumor"...
"Lifting shadows off a dream
Once broken
She can turn a drop of water
Into an ocean..."
John Myung of Dream Theater
["Lifting Shadows Off A Dream"]
sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr
ICQ UIN - 6098813
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:40:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Daniel Wessler <wessled@alleg.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4952
Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.91.990701083321.21538A-100000@amos>
Many ask for a bad pink floyd song but these things do exist.
The most striking example being the song "Seamus" on Meddle. You have
this great collection of really deep and well constructed songs only to
then be transported into the backwoods with some wailing dog as the
song's primary theme. Really...have some respect and don't destroy the
integrety of the albumn. I always have to skip that song....dogs of war
really isn't that great and "coperal kleg" (sp?) on saucerful is
questionable but still good. Other than that you can't really fault
them for they didn't seem to rush the production of these songs.
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:34:31 -0400
From: "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: PF
Message-ID: <199907011244.IAA12533@bajor.ici.net>
> /me is one of the minority of Pink Floyd Haters on this list, I think....
>
> I find it hard to believe that someone on this list could actually "hate"
> Pink Floyd. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I am curious
> why you feel this way.
I think I have to agree with Nick on this one. While I wouldn't say I
"hate" Pink Floyd (I do like a few of their songs), as a whole I find
their stuff monotonous/boring. Like several other bands whose
virtues are extolled on this list and others, I guess I just don't "get
it".
___Pat Sullivan_____________________________________
Email: psull@ici.net
ICQ: 23499229 AIM: TOWHTSTS
WWW:__ http://home.ici.net/~psull/psull.html _______
The programmer's national anthem is 'AAAAAARRRRGHHHH!!'.
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:56:22 -0400
From: Shane Hunziker <Shane.Hunziker@harbinger.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Yngwie Question
Message-ID: <FB6DDB4A76FED21181170090273C5FA8256592@atlmisech1.harbinger.com>
Folks,
Alta Mira has two different versions of Yngwie's "Millennium Suite" - one
"rock" and
one "classical". Can someone tell me how different these two sound? Is it
worth
getting both?
Thanks!
Shane Hunziker
Harbinger Customer Support
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"You can find all you need in your mind
If you take the time."--Dream Theater
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:54:59 -0400
From: Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: LTE's lineup -- Jens and Mike, chime in!
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990630145459.00707fbc@popserver.panix.com>
On 15:09 1999/06/28 -0700, you wrote:
[Phil Carter]
> But, Mike and Jens (I know both of you skim the jams), I would just about
> KILL for a Johansson/Sheehan/Portnoy/Petrucci project. That would kick all
> kinds of ass. Call it "Plasma Spike Experiment" or something. :)
> C'mon, whaddya say, guys? :)
Good idea, but I would substitute with Guillory, Hellborg, Castronovo, and
Thordendahl. Tell them each (separately) that they are completely in charge
and to write 50 minutes of music (each). Then shut them into a 110 degree C
sauna until they decided on how to prune the 200 minutes into about 55.
"Sweaty Sauna Expedient".
[ToxicSheep@aol.com]
> Speaking of Jens, does anyone have the Mastermind disc "Excelsior" with him
> on keys?...
I have it, it's fucking great!! :)
> but I am wondering if they ever go out of 4/4, because
> I don't think they did at the performance...
Metrically, it's more or less pretty direct, yes. But not boring!
[Fibraio on synth sounds, following what looks like a long thread]
> I have played with the k2500 and it just leaves me flat.
Good instrument. But it left me cold.
I only last year (three years of admittedly pretty lax research) managed to
evolve a somewhat acceptable live lead sound out of my old Roland 1080.
These digital boxes are a pain in the ass...
[ShadowBor@aol.com]
> is not just because they want more sounds and
> don't know how to program them (necesarily), it's because of the sound
> changing thing. That really is the Trinity's biggest weakness (IMO).
1080's (and presumably 2080's?) do this as well in performance mode. A
slight improvement is to make sure the two patches have the same effect
structure. But the notes are still cut..
> Besides, if you were endorsing Korg or someone and were offered extra
> keyboards for free or whatever, wouldn't you take them?
That's the problem with having endorsements. Life is actually simpler when
you just buy what you like and what works for you.
OK, then, On 22:17 1999/06/15 -0700, someone wrote something about
something or other not being "progressive". Probably another ten month
thread!! :) I have useful but tedious work to do and typing keeps me from
it for a while, so here goes.
I have no idea what "progressive" means, but music probably should
"progress" from tertial harmony, the twelve-tone equal tempered scale, and
4/4 to be called truly progressive.
A case in point. I just spent a few days on the bus listening to
Meshuggah's album "Chaosphere" and I was pretty much _completely_ fucking
blown away by this CD. I'd recommend this to anyone that feels overdue for
a mind-blowing aural enema that hopefully will clean out any unneccesary
debris -- perhaps a few brain cells desiccated and atrophied by the
piddling rehash of old ideas, and mechanistic posing, that passes for
"prog" these days.
This is music built on a simple idea as a solid conceptual foundation and
consistently and forcefully implemented, without _any_ compromises
whatsoever, by people that probably could give a flying fuck about becoming
rock stars; doing away with unneccesary little details like harmony and
melody in the process. Extremely refreshing!! But the other good thing
about it is that I suspect it works on many levels (some of which I perhaps
can't hear, or hear yet) -- it is extremely aggressive-sounding metal
music, for a start. My friends in Stratovarius probably wondered if I had a
blow to my head, or too much Koskenkorva, or something, but our German crew
guys, straight-edge teetotalers with fearsome tattoos, gave me appreciative
nods. On that level it sounds like Pantera on angel dust. I mean, SCARY
sounding -- projecting into me that proud and scared feeling of what a
terrible and awesome animal Homo Sapiens is, with devious neutron bombs,
complex political organization, space shuttles, what not.
Then again it's also very crisply executed, and there are enough complex
mathematical rhytmical structures hidden that I found new things even after
four or five listens. It's an integer-math shred-fest (but not in the
widdly-widdly sense, the solos are very unique-sounding -- like Holdsworth
meets, maybe, a very musical Robert Fripp). Not "listen to what my fingers
can play", rather, "listen to what my mind can think up."
Meshuggah, they're from the far North of Sweden by the way. PROGRESSIVE!
RECOMMENDED!
---
Jens. (offline) <jens@panix.com> (http://www.panix.com/~jens/)
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:03:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
To: A Mind Forever Ytse-ing <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: SOYCD
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990701105927.26215A-100000@gs.bass.org>
Esh asked:
>what does this stand for?
The answer is very simple: it doesn't stand for anything; it's a
revolutionary new environmentally-conscious way to make CDs, totally
vegan, and if you hate the music, can be fried up as a tasty veggie burger
snack.
Shine On You Crazy Diamond.
paulW
NP Art of Noise: Seduction of Claude Debussy
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Paul's biweekly musical quote:
She just loves me/ for my big dictionary/ She wants my vocabulary/
complete from A to Z.
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:39:11 -0600 (MDT)
From: TEDESCO MATTHEW A <Matthew.Tedesco@Colorado.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Prog metal on Howard Stern
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990701093315.15581A-100000@ucsub.colorado.edu>
This morning, Howard had on Martin Scorcesi's (sp?) nephew Chris, who was
plugging his band, Alchemy X. As Chris is describing the band, he
mentions that it's in the vein of bands like DREAM THEATER... "progressive
rock" (though it was more metal to my ears, hey, it's only labels). But
he DID mention our boys, so that's a big plus.
Then Howard plays a minute or two of one of their songs, and honestly, it
sounded really good. Anyone know anything about Alchemy X? The album,
apparently, is called "A Delicate Balance."
A few listeners called in to respond. Three of them really loved it, and
three didn't. Of the ones that didn't, one compared it scornfully to
Winger (which was off-base)... another, though, compared it scornfully to
Queensryche. A better comparison, but it was nice to see Chris Scorcesi
get pissed about this guy disparaging QR.
Well, hey, here's to spreading the word, if only just a bit....
MATt
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 16:38:56 +0100
From: jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov
To: bostonjam@dreamt.org, ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: He's BAAAAAAAAAAACK and just as 'quantity not quality' filled as ever :)
Message-ID: <199907011538.QAA13182@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
After recovering from a hard disk failure last week, I return to notice that
'June, came upon us much to soon.......then was gone' :)
speaking of summer:
Well, my buddy just got a 22' Cutty with a 351 in it, so there's still a couple
of months left to go find a Lock Ness Montster or two to hunt down. You know why
the Right Whale was called the Right Whale, right? :) No, skull, it wasn't
because they hung a slightly to the right. It was because they were hunted so
much they became known as the right whale to hunt :(
speaking of hunting:
To the person (on ytsejam) who suggested that Jeff Beck was ALMOST as good as
Gilmour, I ask that you run now. I WILL hunt you down :)
speaking of Jeff Beck:
Jon Finn Group will be shredding in Woostah on July 10 at Gilrein's. As usual,
http://jonfinn.com/gigs.html
Regards,
Jon
NP: advance copy of DT's next album - Skulling Into Senility
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:35:29 -0600
From: "Todd Fostvedt" <tfostvedt@csu.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DEATH/ CONTROL DENIED'S CHUCK SCHULDINER SPEAKS OUT
Message-ID: <872567A1.00610ABE.00@nd-mta01.csu.org>
DEATH/ CONTROL DENIED'S CHUCK SCHULDINER SPEAKS OUT
Greetings to all press and metal people of the world. Usually I wait until the
launch of a new record to initiate media contact but for several reasons I'm
contacting
the world to properly inform everyone as to what is going on with the now
completed CONTROL DENIED debut release, "The Fragile Art Of Existence".
The album turned out crushing and I promise will be worth the wait and
anticipation that has surrounded the birth of this extension of my musical
career. Alongside
Jim Morris (producer of Death's two previous releases) who has engineered and
produced this album , I was thrilled to be joined once again by Richard
Christy(drums) and Shannon Hamm (guitar) who both appeared on "The Sound of
Perseverance", one of my best friends and favorite bass players, Steve
DiGiorgio as well as the killer addition of Tim Aymar of Primal Scream
(vocals)!! We are all very excited about what we have accomplished with this
record which
contains the same attitude and sincerity that people have come to expect from
my passion for trend-free metal!
Typically after recording a new record we all go out and celebrate. This time
things were different. Toward the end of our time in the studio, I started
experiencing
some pain in my upper neck which I initially thought was a pinched nerve or
strained muscle. Having completed the recording I consulted with a chiropractor
followed by a massage therapist and acupuncturist who recommended I go for an
MRI which is a special type of x-ray used to get a detailed picture of the
nerve
and brain tissue. Well, I was right about the pinched nerve but unfortunately
it was being caused by a brain stem tumor.
At the time of this press release, I am in my fourth week of radiation therapy
with some of the most sought-after physicians in the field. I am also blessed
with the
immense love and support from my family and friends
which is such a big part of getting through something like this.
To try to put this into simple terms is obviously difficult but let me say
this: it is a mind, body and soul expanding experience. The treatment has
been going well and with this type of aggressive radiation the prognosis is
very good. Patience is something I have learned to embrace in my fourteen
years of living music and now it is time to further master the art of patience
on my road to recovery.
I've always felt a personal connection between the music and the fans/friends
who support it. It is that support, that goes beyond the music itself, which I
appreciate
with all my heart and soul.
Let the metal flow...
Sincerely,
Chuck Schuldiner
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:34:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alexis Ramos <alexis_ramos@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: zonder impression?
Message-ID: <19990701183442.23673.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com>
The part where I think portnoy sounds like zonder is that very
progressive riff that jordan refers to as having written it with DT in
mind. It starts at 0:46 and ends around 1:02. It is then repeated
around the end of the song (didn't check the time for that part). And,
like somebody else also commented, it does sound like something off of
APSOG, I think it's part 3 or 4 (the first very progressive one).
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 14:44:52 -0500
From: bplumb@pi-r-squared.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Prog metal on Howard Stern
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990701194452.006b51c0@pi-r-squared.com>
At 08:49 AM 7/1/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
>This morning, Howard had on Martin Scorcesi's (sp?) nephew Chris, who was
>plugging his band, Alchemy X. As Chris is describing the band, he
>mentions that it's in the vein of bands like DREAM THEATER... "progressive
>rock" (though it was more metal to my ears, hey, it's only labels). But
>he DID mention our boys, so that's a big plus.
Scorsese ;)
>A few listeners called in to respond. Three of them really loved it, and
>three didn't. Of the ones that didn't, one compared it scornfully to
>Winger (which was off-base)... another, though, compared it scornfully to
>Queensryche. A better comparison, but it was nice to see Chris Scorcesi
>get pissed about this guy disparaging QR.
I guess people with Scorsese blood in them just kick ass ;) Even if Marty
did direct Michael Jackson's "Bad" mini-movie. Anyway, I'm surprised that
one of the Scorseses is playing music, but I'm not surprised he's doing it
in a non-pop medium. I wonder if some of the music will show up in some of
Marty's next few films. hehehe
Palpatine
"Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel
"What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope
"Perhaps god gave the answers to those with nothing to say"- Savatage:
Somewhere in time
"So You're saying that in your scientific opinion, Bess McNeil died from an
overdose of... being good..?" -Breaking the Waves
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