YTSEJAM Digest 4963
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Odds'n'sods
by "Timo Virkkala" <wt@pp.inet.fi>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4952
by DWilk46577@aol.com
3) Re: Berklee dropouts
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
4) re: LTE again and again
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
5) want some candy, little girl?
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
6) Re: LTE again
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4961
by Diablo6491@aol.com
8) LITS Updated
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
9) Dream Theater AUCTION **
by Vaiman Vaiman <vaiman@bellsouth.net>
10) RE: LTE again
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
11) maiden tix!
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
12) LTE2/Iced Earth
by "Jon Kretschmer" <jkretschmer@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
13) LTE2/Iced Earth
by "Jon Kretschmer" <jkretschmer@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
14) Re: LTE2/Iced Earth
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
15) A band named after a genre of heavy music...
by MusicSnob@aol.com
16) Re: LTE2
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
17) Filler gives me heartburn.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
18) Re: Carpel Tension Wankery.
by "Brian M. Larkin" <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net>
19) LTE opine and tiles
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:13:22 +0300
From: "Timo Virkkala" <wt@pp.inet.fi>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Odds'n'sods
Message-ID: <018c01bec97e$cba80100$e7068ec2@virkti-6>
>Has anybody here seen Apocalyptica live? I've heard the
>albums, and they are OK but nothing I'd buy. On the
>other hand, I've heard that the concerts are great. The
>Finnish fiddlers will be playing here in good old
>Darmstadt (translates literally as Gut City if anybody
>is interested) in August, and I'd be grateful for any
>info about whether it's worth going.
I personally haven't been to any of their concerts, but I've
seen one on TV and some of my friends were at their concert
a week ago. A helluva show, they tell me. I'd recommend going
if you have the chance.
BTW. Me and my friends have a 4-cellos-playing-heavy band too,
and a few months ago I arranged Pull Me Under for us! We played
it a couple of times in concerts and had a lot of fun, and the
audience enjoyed it too. I'll try to get it recorded sometimes and
maybe send it to LITS or DTcovers or somewhere. I'll remember
to advertise it here too.
But, back to the original topic, go to the Apocalyptica gig. It'll be
worth it.
BTW. This was my first post to the Ytsejam. Hi all =)
-WT-
NP: Dream Theater - Voices (Awake 1994)
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:46:18 EDT
From: DWilk46577@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4952
Message-ID: <6d568fb9.24b6681a@aol.com>
What is going on with VH? Are they going to keep Gary or what?
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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:50:31 +0100
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Berklee dropouts
Message-ID: <37850107.443A7A25@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
MentalHunk@aol.com wrote:
> << [snip]
> So, as far as I can tell, Berklee ain't no fucking guarantee, but dropping
> out of Berklee is? hmmmmm.... >>
>
> I hope that's true, because my brother dropped out a semester away from
> graduation...come to think of it he is doing pretty well now.....
Maybe they teach well there, that you find all you need in your time.
Then your time there over and it's time to move on...
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:01:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: LTE again and again
Message-ID: <19990708210134.27387.rocketmail@web135.yahoomail.com>
A couple of quotes:
> IMO, Liquid Tension Experiment would be more aptly
named Carpal Tunnel
> Syndrome as the abhorrable amount of wankery
involved would make even Paul
> Reubens' hand tired.
> I partially agree with you here - I feel WtWB could
have been AT LEAST 5
> minutes shorter. Take out all the guitar/keyboard
wanking and you have a
> kick-ass tune.
If I'm not mistaken, the whole point of the LTE
projects was to be total "wankfests". With this in
mind, I can't complain about wanking. I'm sure the
next Dream Theater disc will be more about
compositions, especially with the addition of vocals.
Personally, I prefer to have vocals in my music. It
breaks things up, and makes for anticipation...like
you know something's coming up (vocal) after a wanking
session. But it would be pointless for me to complain
about a lack of vocals on an instrumental recording.
To me, a perfect recording has everything: slow moody
music, vocals, heavy chunk, super speed, slow melodic
and everything in between. This is what makes I&W,
Awake and Symphony X's TDWoT such classics for me. But
hey, every disc doesn't have to be perfect. That's why
I put the ol' sixty disc changer on random...makes for
variety (if you like to hear Miles Davis followed by
Fear Factory followed by Sade).
Ramble on, BH
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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 21:11:14 +0100
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: want some candy, little girl?
Message-ID: <378505E2.BD452C8F@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Nick(le bag) wrote:
> Anyways, some day, when I get around to it, I'll install my new 18 gig UW2
> SCSI hard drive and start building the largest archive of Dream Theater
> concerts in MP3 format. But, seeing rants like the following lead me to
> believe that if I were to take on such a task, I would be like the coke
> dealer trying to feed everyone's addictions.
>
> -Bogie
Too late... You already handed out bags to all us little kids <--- shut
it!) down at the
schoolyard to get us hooked :) See what you've done?
I hope you're proud of yourself, Nicholas!
:)
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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 21:22:32 +0100
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: LTE again
Message-ID: <37850888.C029E8B7@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> after the baby noise), but I rarely make it all the way there because I get
> tired of the extended wankery. "Acid Rain" definitely kicks my ass, as does
> "Another Dimension". "Chewbacca" doesn't do it for me, and neither does
> "9:14". But, "Liquid Dreams" and "Hourglass" are definitely cool and very
When I first heard JP's guitar on Hourglass, I looked around waiting for
Freddy Mercury to rise up from the grave, and scream "LOVE OF MY LIFE,
DON'T LEAVE ME" :))))
> moody. All in all, I think it would be a great CD if a little "fat" would
> be trimmed...
LTE isn't about lean and mean, though. It's about jamming == wankery :)
And it's a side project at that!! It's only gonna get better...
If you want lean and mean, go pick up Jane Fonda's latest workout video.
I hear the anorexic Layne Staley did the sound for it :))))))
Regards,
Jon
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:25:27 EDT
From: Diablo6491@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4961
Message-ID: <10861393.24b67147@aol.com>
<< DT and GC both have songs called "Speak to Me", and "Where are you now".
GC
shares "Paradigm Shift" with LTE. >>
I think theres a Pink Floyd song called "Speak to Me" as well . . . though
since I dont like them I'm not sure . . .
RaY
np: Symphony X "Through the looking glass"
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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:38:00 -0400
From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: LITS Updated
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990708173326.00acf6d0@po7.mit.edu>
Hey everyone,
I finally caught LITS up on the news front. There are even some articles
of interest there
you won't find on UACM! (it's hard to get one by Itchy these days!)
Once I get home this weekend, I will FINALLY upload new shows. I'll put up
the best
5 I can find and let you all go at it with my web server --- I want to see
if it can handle
the reinstall of NT I did last weekend.
Hell, maybe you'll even get a chance to hear Lines in the Sand in its demo
form - a la
the Fix for '96 shows!
Take care,
Bogie
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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:39:03 -0400
From: Vaiman Vaiman <vaiman@bellsouth.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dream Theater AUCTION **
Message-ID: <37851A77.6FEBEC19@bellsouth.net>
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=127534242
see ya there
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:41:42 -0700
From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: LTE again
Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649016AE783@messaging>
> LTE isn't about lean and mean, though. It's about jamming == wankery :)
IMHO, "jamming" does not necessarily mean "wankery" - listen to pretty much
any jazz album...
> When I first heard JP's guitar on Hourglass, I looked around waiting for
> Freddy Mercury to rise up from the grave, and scream "LOVE OF MY LIFE,
> DON'T LEAVE ME" :))))
Long live the spirit of Freddie! :)
P.S. for some strange reason the double equals sign above struck me funny,
being a JavaScript dude and all. For you programmers, a more "normal"
interpretation of the above...
struct disc {
int jamming;
int wankery;
}
function testDisc(disc) {
if (disc.jamming == disc.wankery) {
cringe();
breakOutColtraneRecords();
return false;
} else {
continueListening();
return true;
}
}
disc LTE;
LTE.jamming = 1;
LTE.wankery = 1; // not always, but enough to make it true
testDisc(LTE);
Alright, no flaming for syntax errors - I did this in 4 seconds... :)
David Dixon, MCP
Consultant
E-Commerce & Internet Technology Solutions
Integrated Information Systems, Inc.
david@iisweb.com
ytsedave@asu.edu
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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 18:33:07 -0400
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: maiden tix!
Message-ID: <37852723.FC63A6B1@bigfoot.com>
ok, NY jammers, who've got tix to one of the maiden shows at the
hammerstein coming up later this month:
i have two tickets but they're one on each night. I want to go with
someone, so we want to trade one of our tickets for someone who has the
other night. I don't care which night we go, it's just cooler if we
don't have to go seperately.
does anyone, on EITHER night, want to trade one ticket for the other
night?
thanks in advance!
joshua
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:23:54 -0700
From: "Jon Kretschmer" <jkretschmer@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: LTE2/Iced Earth
Message-ID: <199907081519224@jkretschmer.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
I am interested to see so many differing opinions on LTE2 - I personally think there are a lot more tasty tunes and riffs than the first one. Sure there is wankery, but you knew that going into getting the disc. There is no way they can fill a CD without wanking somewhat. And besides, wouldn't you rather listen to Jordan and John wank than anyone else?
About Iced Earth: Some people were talking about them, so I went out and bought "Something Wicked This Way Comes." My question is, what is the appeal of this band? It sounds like a Metallica ripoff with a few ballads thrown in literally every other song. I just don't like this disc too much. Someone point out the great parts of the disc so I don't have to believe I wasted my bucks on a bad CD.
Thanks everyone.
Jon
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:23:45 -0700
From: "Jon Kretschmer" <jkretschmer@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: LTE2/Iced Earth
Message-ID: <199907081519164@jkretschmer.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
I am interested to see so many differing opinions on LTE2 - I personally think there are a lot more tasty tunes and riffs than the first one. Sure there is wankery, but you knew that going into getting the disc. There is no way they can fill a CD without wanking somewhat. And besides, wouldn't you rather listen to Jordan and John wank than anyone else?
About Iced Earth: Some people were talking about them, so I went out and bought "Something Wicked This Way Comes." My question is, what is the appeal of this band? It sounds like a Metallica ripoff with a few ballads thrown in literally every other song. I just don't like this disc too much. Someone point out the great parts of the disc so I don't have to believe I wasted my bucks on a bad CD.
Thanks everyone.
Jon
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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:36:27 -0500
From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: LTE2/Iced Earth
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990708223627.012ef130@pi-r-squared.com>
>About Iced Earth: Some people were talking about them, so I went out and
bought "Something Wicked This Way Comes." My question is, what is the
appeal of this band? It sounds like a Metallica ripoff with a few ballads
thrown in literally every other song. I just don't like this disc too much.
Someone point out the great parts of the disc so I don't have to believe I
wasted my bucks on a bad CD.
>
>Thanks everyone.
>
>Jon
>
Listen to the last three tracks. 'Nuff said. Something Wicked probly isn't
the best IE album to start with (even though I started with Dark Saga), try
Burnt Offerings or Night of the Storm Rider which are a LOT heavier, and a
lot more original. Anyway, the trilogy which ends something wicked is probly
IE's best material. If you don't like that, then you probly won't like Iced
Earth.
Palpatine
"Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel
"What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope
"Perhaps god gave the answers to those with nothing to say"- Savatage:
Somewhere in time
"So You're saying that in your scientific opinion, Bess McNeil died from an
overdose of... being good..?" -Breaking the Waves
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:41:35 EDT
From: MusicSnob@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A band named after a genre of heavy music...
Message-ID: <603c1131.24b6831f@aol.com>
I never claimed that Metallica was a progressive band, only that they changed
and people bitched. If you say that a band that changes (whether it's
forward or backward is a matter of opinion, not fact) is "progressive" - then
maybe they fit the bill. Metallica changed from their standard formula.
This is a fact. My original post was not designed to resuscitate the
metallica sucks thread, nor did it mention Metallica as the be-all end-all of
my observation. If it helps you understand my opinion, fill in a different
band that changed and people bitched (Queensryche, maybe?) Some of you need
to read beyond your own bias and resist making a snap judgement when you
perceive your little tootsies are being trod upon...
NP: Clockhammer - Kleinfelter (something like that)
Kevin
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:03:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: LTE2
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9907081858140.6327-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
Well, I must say that I like this CD, but I actually think that in terms
of SONGS, the first disc blows it away like a junkie sneezing on his
mirror.
Maybe it's just because LTE was (obviously) the first of the discs that I
owned, but I just generally LIKE the songs on LTE1 better. I mean, you've
got Paradigm Shift, Kindred Spirits, Freedom of Speech, State of Grace,
and Universal Mind. On LTE2, what do you have? (IMHO) Biaxident, Another
Dimension, WtWB, and Hourglass. They just don't seem to be of the same
caliber (well, maybe Biaxident and WtWB, and Hourglass blows State of
Grace out out of the water). Overall, it just doesn't seem to hold the
same effect as the first disc.
Not that I don't like it - I think it's a great CD. But even though I
have listened to it less than a dozen times, I still feel like I need to
put in the first disc after every time I listen to LTE2, just to "make up"
for the shortcomings in the second disc.
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Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
http://cout.home.dhs.org/
Cloak on IRC
ICQ: 2513441
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The only stupid question is the one that is never
asked, except maybe "Don't you think it is about
time you audited my return?" or "But officer,
isn't it morally wrong to give me a warning when,
in fact, I was speeding?"
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1993 17:06:01 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Filler gives me heartburn.
Message-ID: <002601b80fe4$8fcb15a0$0201010a@chuck.meserver.com>
>There is no way they can fill a CD without wanking somewhat. And besides,
>wouldn't you rather listen to Jordan and John wank than anyone else?
Ooh, ooh! *Korg looks enlightened and bites at the dangling hook!*
Perhaps that is half of the problem? Perhaps those guys have feel like
they're not giving enough to the fans if they don't max out a CD so they
throw in unnecessary extra "filler" into the songs to make it complete?
I've noticed that every CD they have popped out since Awake tends to pack a
CD to the max. I honestly don't think it's necessary. The intention may be
great, but, to me, it can completely screw up a song. (i.e. ToT, although
many will disagree)
I'll stop now, because opinions, like hands, are best kept to onesself.
-- KorgX3 NP: VAST - Visual Audio Sensory Theater------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:16:20 -0400 From: "Brian M. Larkin" <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Carpel Tension Wankery. Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990708231620.00911da0@mail.ptd.net>
Korg Ecksthrey: >> IMO, Liquid Tension Experiment would be more aptly named Carpal Tunnel >> Syndrome as the abhorrable amount of wankery involved would make even Paul >> Reubens' hand tired.
You know, I think it's really funny how people criticize the LTE albums as being to wank-ish and self-indulgent. Um, I think that's what they were going for? It was my impression that the whole idea behind the LTE project was to write a lot of technically insane, completely over-the-top, wacky, bombastic, extremely progressive (etc.) music within a very short time frame. Some dig it, some don't. I personally have to be in the right mood to listen to the jams (TMW, Chew, LD, 914), but the rest of the stuff is great >for what it is<.
David Dixon: >All in all, I think it would be a great CD if a little "fat" would >be trimmed...
I think LTE probably wanted to trim as little fat as possible from the record so as to preserve the spontaneity and "jam" feel of both albums. LTE2 does sound more cohesive than LTE1, but it's still mostly a collection of jams.
Just my $.0002.
~Brian
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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 21:28:49 PDT From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: LTE opine and tiles Message-ID: <19990709042850.66619.qmail@hotmail.com>
>"Chewbacca" doesn't do it for me
Chewbacca's weirdness makes it my fave song on the disc....diff'rent strokes, i guess.....thanks to whoever it was for pointing out the Fates-ish stuff in When the Water Breaks, which is making me wonder how the hell I missed it before.....
One more reminder: If you wanna know what Tiles is about, they will be featured on the Motor City Riffs program, 10 PM on Sunday July 11th, 101.1 FM in Detroit.... Their program is accesible on the net, a RA feed available from WWW.WRIF.COM
the show is basically going to showcase Tiles' new album, Presents of Mind, which if you were to take my word for it, is fighting Manifesto for Futurism as this year's best release to date......
So check 'em out....i think enough of you will be glad you did....
speaking of Tiles, how's this for a crazy concert confluence....
Saturday, July 17th in and around Detroit.....State Theatre: Seal (with Tony Levin on bass).......The Majestic: Ozric Tentacles...... Magic Bag: Tiles (with Discipline's Matthew Parmenter supposed to join 'em to play violin for a couple of songs, which makes me think they might try out the song "Reasonable Doubt" live)
and I got a friend's wedding to go to.....
partha
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