YTSEJAM Digest 4964
Today's Topics:
1) Acid Rain
by DWilk46577@aol.com
2) Anathema
by Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
3) Iced Earth, various metal
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
4) Tiles
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
5) Jens Ten Seasons
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
6) RE: LTE2/Iced Earth
by Shane Hunziker <Shane.Hunziker@harbinger.com>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4963
by Awake77@aol.com
8) Dweezil
by "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
9) bands changing...
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
10) no content, how embarrassing
by Raivo Hool <raitz@cafe.ee>
11) RE: LTE again
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
12) here's a wank, there's a wank
by "Joe Bissonnette" <Bissonnette@cdr.wisc.edu>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4963
by INNSOUL@aol.com
14) Aztec Jade - Frame of Mind
by GREGER.RONNQVIST@INFODATA.SEMA.SE
15) Prog-project
by "Dennis Leefl@ng" <dl@xs4all.nl>
16) Wankery and a brief LTE/LTE2 comparison
by "Chris Files" <cfiles@erols.com>
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:41:19 EDT
From: DWilk46577@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Acid Rain
Message-ID: <db6f1a86.24b6d76f@aol.com>
Anyone notice how much Acid Rain kix ass...it's my fav. song of the whole
album
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Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:44:18 +1000
From: Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Anathema
Message-ID: <37859A42.23EC2370@ozemail.com.au>
The other Graham B wrote:
>I am miserable. (A misherable Shcot? Shurely not, Mish Moneypenny . .
)
Nah I have met some Scots that actually have spent money......
>By now, I was hoping to have seen Anathema live again, performing their
>new Judgement material. The gig was cancelled (with no explanation).
Bag
>o'shite.
Damned shame
>Don't expect prog; it's not about shredding, or wanking, or virtuosity
>(although their musicianship and vocals continue to improve and
impress).
>It's moody, atmospheric, passionate doomy metal which is both relaxing
and
>inspiring.
I have to disagree here, the album is IMO very progressive, doomy,
perhaps
a touch hear and there, some of the songs are very Floydian feel about
them.
But no matter what you want to call the style, it's friggin brilliant.
>Anathema are the best band to come out of Britain in a long long time.
I
>think you should buy Judgement.
I agree totally, there are leaps and bounds in front of any other
British band
right now, buy it.............
Just got the new Kreator disc, 'Endorama', very heaving and melodic,
even a hint of
goth, surprisingly some humable melodies too, worth checking out.
gaz
www.ozemail.com.au/~ytsejam
PS FELIX where the fuck are my CDR's that I still haven't received ?
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Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 00:04:33 -0700
From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
To: ytsesmack <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Iced Earth, various metal
Message-ID: <37859F01.756CB43C@ucla.edu>
> Some people were talking about them, so I went out and
> bought "Something Wicked This Way Comes." I just don't like this disc > too much. Someone point out the great parts of the disc so I don't have > to believe I wasted my
> bucks on a bad CD.
There is no good stuff. Send it to me, immediately, so I may
indulge in your refuse. ;) I don't have any IE cd's, but I do like them
a bunch.
LTE2: not going there. However, every time I listen to the cd, I
believe I will recall listening to it while stuck in traffic leaving
Tahoe on the July 4th weekend.
Other stuff: I picked up some Amorphis (Tuonelo, to be exact), after
hearing someone mention them on the jam, and reading the description on
the album cover. Pretty good stuff in the doom metal genre.. really
neat eastern influences. Some of the tracks sound Arabic, while some
have a Spanish flamenco feel to them. Very interesting stuff.
~~Amanda
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:41:50 -0700
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Tiles
Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA0F448B@ms.kallback.com>
> the show is basically going to showcase Tiles' new album, Presents of
> Mind,
> which if you were to take my word for it, is fighting Manifesto for
> Futurism
> as this year's best release to date......
>
Frankly, PoM bored me until track 9. Anyone else? I haven't seen
a lot of talk about it on the Jam, which usually means something is
mediocre,
because if it really rawks or sux, this is where people tell ya.
My tuppence,
Trevor
p.s. anyone got reviews of Clockwork, Divided Multitude, Dreamscape,
Prime Time, Vanishing Point or Abstracta?
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:50:28 -0700
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Jens Ten Seasons
Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA0F448C@ms.kallback.com>
> From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
> Subject: Jens Johansson
> P.S. How can I get Ten Seasons ?
http://moremetal.com/ $23.99
or email rockhous@cistron.nl $19.75
+shipping of course.
~Trevor
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 07:42:04 -0400
From: Shane Hunziker <Shane.Hunziker@harbinger.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: LTE2/Iced Earth
Message-ID: <FB6DDB4A76FED21181170090273C5FA8256622@atlmisech1.harbinger.com>
Jon,
IMO, that particular IE disc is not their best. My personal fave is "The
Dark Saga."
I found SWTWC a bit hard to get into as well, and that's coming from someone
who
knew what they sounded like! Although there are some tunes that I really
like on
that album, overall I don't think it gels as well as I would like it to.
And that tendency
to put a ballad every other song does get a little annoying after a while.
For me,
Matt Barlow's vocals are what draws me to their music. I rank him up there
with
John Bush and Zach Stevens as my favorite metal vocalists. If you find
anything
at all appealing about SWTWC, I urge you to pick up TDS. Again all IMO, it
is
a much more cohesive album and the song "The Hunter" has one of my fave
riffs
ever.
Shane Hunziker
Harbinger Customer Support
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"You can find all you need in your mind
If you take the time."--Dream Theater
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Kretschmer [SMTP:jkretschmer@dreamtheater.zzn.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 6:31 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: LTE2/Iced Earth
>
>
> I am interested to see so many differing opinions on LTE2 - I personally
> think there are a lot more tasty tunes and riffs than the first one. Sure
> there is wankery, but you knew that going into getting the disc. There is
> no way they can fill a CD without wanking somewhat. And besides, wouldn't
> you rather listen to Jordan and John wank than anyone else?
>
> About Iced Earth: Some people were talking about them, so I went out and
> bought "Something Wicked This Way Comes." My question is, what is the
> appeal of this band? It sounds like a Metallica ripoff with a few ballads
> thrown in literally every other song. I just don't like this disc too
> much. Someone point out the great parts of the disc so I don't have to
> believe I wasted my bucks on a bad CD.
>
> Thanks everyone.
>
> Jon
>
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:26:43 EDT
From: Awake77@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4963
Message-ID: <8625833d.24b74483@aol.com>
Hey guys
Does anyone know where I can get "When Dream And James Unite", either the
CD or in MP3 format off the net?
Thanks,
Chris
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Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 08:38:09 VET
From: "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dweezil
Message-ID: <19990709123810.82952.qmail@hotmail.com>
Does anyone here happen to know where to find Dweezil Zappa's
"Confessions"?... I can accept a burned CD if it is necesary.
Mail me privately.
Take care.
-E#
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:49:20 +0200
From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: bands changing...
Message-ID: <v04210102b3ab9e2ac70e@[192.168.1.1]>
Hi there!
I was listening to Abbey Road when I read all your comments about
bands changing and "progressing", and I started to wonder what
Beatles fans must have been feeling back then.
Imagine, these guys went from "She Loves You" to "I Am the Walrus" in
less than 5 years. How's that?
BTW, they were releasing two albums a year at the beginning of their
career, and nowadays the labels don't want to release an *EP* a
whole year after the last album because they are afraid of
oversaturation. Mhhh...
Steffen
-- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@westend.com) THE MIRROR - German Dream Theater Fan Club (http://www.westend.com/TheMirror)------------------------------
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:36:45 +0300 (EEST) From: Raivo Hool <raitz@cafe.ee> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: no content, how embarrassing Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9907091634120.15086-100000@pillemati.cafe.ee>
Hey
I was checking out www.dreamtheater.net, the news section, and for some reason tried translating it into French with Altavista's Babelfish engine. Guess what? "Last news from Mike Portnoy" turned out as "Les derni=E8res nouvelles du microphone Portnoy!"
I guess I must have some parts of my brain damaged, since I found it infinitely funny. :-)
Raitz
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Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 14:22:35 +0100 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: RE: LTE again Message-ID: <3785F79B.B6177551@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
David Dixon wrote: > > LTE isn't about lean and mean, though. It's about jamming == wankery :) > > IMHO, "jamming" does not necessarily mean "wankery" - listen to pretty much > any jazz album...
#define == "occurs during"
Better? :) Yeah, I noticed after I had already sent it that it wasn't really what I meant, and this misued the comparison operator.
Followups directed to comp.lang.coughcoughKurzweilRULEScouchcough :)
> Alright, no flaming for syntax errors - I did this in 4 seconds... :)
I typed it in, in 2 seconds. Get rid of that Windows machine, dude. It's slowin' ya down :)
Hansen mmmmmmmwrote:
> Personally, I prefer to have vocals in my music. It > breaks things up, and makes for anticipation...like
I think the keyboard/drums bridge (i think it's a bridge) starting around 1:50 on WTWB sets up anticipation for the guitar solo coming up.
> you know something's coming up (vocal) after a wanking
Oh man, do you know something big is gonna happen with that part as it builds. Mike adds in the cymbals, and JP is, dare I say lurking, with the quiet guitar adding in the wah-wah ever so slightly. One thing I've noticed is the amount of control on LTE2. They seem to be in so much more command of a song.
> session. But it would be pointless for me to complain > about a lack of vocals on an instrumental recording.
awww, c'mon Brian, never stopped you before. You feelin' ok, bro? :)
Kurzweil wrote: > Perhaps that is half of the problem? Perhaps those guys have feel like > they're not giving enough to the fans if they don't max out a CD so they > throw in unnecessary extra "filler" into the songs to make it complete? > I've noticed that every CD they have popped out since Awake tends to pack a
You can please some of the people some of the time, all of the people some of the time....yadda yadda yadda
If they didn't pack the disc, someone would bitch about the 15 minute song, and how it shouldn't be on there. Instead they should have put 3 other awesome tunes. If they don't use the wank enough, people bitch that they wish JP would open up a little more. It's a no win situation no matter what they do, if you look at it that way.
Ok, who's the 90's prog-snob who decided to start using the term 'wank' to stain the concept of "playing the heck out of one's instrument"? :)
Anyone have the neighbors call the cops on 'em yet, for playing LTE too loudly? I'm giving it another shot sometime this weekend :)
Have a great weekend, everyone!
Jon
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:18:30 -0500 From: "Joe Bissonnette" <Bissonnette@cdr.wisc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: here's a wank, there's a wank Message-ID: <862567A9.00525814.00@domino.cdr.wisc.edu>
ytsejam@ax.com wrote: > I think theres a Pink Floyd song called "Speak to Me" as well . . . though > since I dont like them I'm not sure . . . > They do, on DSotM.
David Dixon, MC wrote:
> > LTE isn't about lean and mean, though. It's about jamming == wankery :) > > IMHO, "jamming" does not necessarily mean "wankery" - listen to pretty much > any jazz album... > Hmm I guess we have different ideas of wankery. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy jazz (just got Metheny-Bright Size Life, mmmm), but most of it strikes me as wankery. Perhaps we need an official definition...
Andrew wrote:
> Well, I must say that I like this CD, but I actually think that in terms > of SONGS, the first disc blows it away like a junkie sneezing on his > mirror. > I'm glad someone else said this, I was starting to think I was the only one. The compositions seem to be a lot better on LTE1. And I thought JP was a lot better on LTE1, probably because, as was pointed out, he was gone for much of LTE2. IMVHO Kindred Spirits and Freedom of Speech kick the pants off anything on LTE2. Oops, what did Korg just say about opinions? I guess I better go now.
Biz
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:16:57 EDT From: INNSOUL@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4963 Message-ID: <bace6bb3.24b76c69@aol.com>
Thursday July 15th 11:00 p.m. <A HREF="http://www.mftt.com/frames.htm">Money For TheToll</A>performing at <A HREF="http://www.wreckroomnj.com">The Wreck Room</A>551 Main Ave. Walington, NJRound One of the BATTLE OF THE BANDS!!!!! Come on down and help support original music!!!!!!<br>FREE Tape To All Who Attend<br> Need directions? E-mail <A HREF="mailto:mftt@aol.com">Sean</A> Can't make it to the show? Watch it LIVE online at<A HREF="http://www.worldnetartist.com">Worldnetartist.com</A>COMING SOON!!!!! "Wag The Dog" - the new EP from Money For The Toll featuring "Absence" and "Closure"
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:54 +0200 From: GREGER.RONNQVIST@INFODATA.SEMA.SE To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Aztec Jade - Frame of Mind Message-ID: <199907091854.Duu9@semagroup.sema.se>
--- Inkommet fr=E5n INFODATA.SVA0193 +46 670 160 60 99-07-09 20.54
AZTEC JADE - Frame of Mind USA Rating: * * * * * September 1997 CMG CMG 9704-2 Playing time 42:32
Aztec Jade is: Timothy Becker on Keyboards Matt Howenstein on Guitars Bryan Kowalski on Bass Rick Miller on Drums Leon Ozug on Lead Vocals
The tracks are: 1. The Calling (4:18) 2. To Believe (5:12) 3. Mad Not Crazy (4:15) 4. Desperate Land (2:57) 5. Nosferatu (4:37) 6. Atlantis (4:24) 7. Regatta Fugue II (3:24) 8. Stained (4:19) 9. Gates Of Babylon (4:14) 10. Requiem (4:30)
This is the second release from the New York based prog-metal band Aztec Jade, and the follow up to their debut CD "Modern Prophet". The CD has a very god production and the musicians are very technically skilled. This together with the good songwriting and the great hook lines performed by a powerful singer makes this album a real killer.
Aztec Jade is reminiscent to Dream Theater with heavy complex riffs and catchy melodies. The best tracks are "The Calling", "To Believe", "Desperate Land", "Nosferatu", "Regatta Fugue II", "Stained" and "Requiem".
This album really gets to your mind. Great Stuff that is highly recommended! Go get it!
Released by Capital Music Group. P.O. Box 231. Sarasota springs. New York. 12866 Email: cmgsong@aol.com For Fan Club info send S.A.S.E. to: Aztec Jade Fan Club. P.O. Box 131. Hagaman. New York. 12086 Website: www.aztecweb@klink.net">http://www.aztecweb@klink.net Email: aztecweb@klink.net
-Reviewed by Greger R=F6nnqvist-
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 22:10:23 +0200 From: "Dennis Leefl@ng" <dl@xs4all.nl> To: <epigram@iList.net>, <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Prog-project Message-ID: <006601beca47$142f8560$749c6dc2@xs4all.nl>
Hey there guys and gals,
I just wanted to let ya'll know that it's now official. This summer I'm recording my soloproject/cd, probably under the name of Nemesis. I will be writing material with guitarist Marcel Coenen from Lemur Voice and singer Gregoor van der Loo also from Lemur Voice. Also guitarist Martijn Visser (ex-Nemesis) wil join. This week I wrote a killer song with him. I might be putting a rough version of it online this week. You can also request it from me thru ICQ (#21285351).
The first week of august, guitarist Tom Hakala (Nemo) from Finland will be flying over to the Netherlands to write and record some songs with me and keyboardplayer Marcel Faas from a band called Signs. A bassplayer is yet to be picked.
Marcel Coenen and I will be recording 2 or 3 songs at the end of august. Gregoor might be doing vocals on some other songs too. Also singer Nick Hameury from FORM will be doing some heavy (screamy) singing on some songs. Like he did on the latest Lemur Voice record. As it looks now, half of the songs will be all instrumental.
It's gonna be killer. The style would be somewhere in between Platypus, LTE, Joe Satriani, Pantera and DT. Not everything will be too progressive. There will be some acoustic stuff on it too. But the tracks I'll be writing with Tom and Marcel wil definately be progressive tho. Marcel and I might also be doing some really heavy stuff. Since he plays a 7-string Ibanez.
For more info you can check out my site at http://www.xs4all.nl/~dl. Don't forget to sign my guestbook if you have any comments or ideas on the project. People that are interested in doing some artwork (for free) are welcome too.
Hope to hear from you all.
Greetz,
Dennis "Stickmaster D." Leeflang
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www.xs4all.nl/~dl | ICQ: 21285351 | Stickmaster@hotmail.com
"I feel very empowered by my vulnerabilities" ~ Alanis Morissette
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:36:26 -0400 From: "Chris Files" <cfiles@erols.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Wankery and a brief LTE/LTE2 comparison Message-ID: <004401beca4a$f9b79020$9b61accf@artoodetoo>
it's been months since i've posted...
if you've heard LTE, then it would seem to me that you would go into LTE2 expecting wankery. to me there's good wankery and bad wankery. the LTE project is all about bombast and self-indulgence, but i don't feel that it comes at the expense of the musical compositions themselves -- the wanking fits within the context of the piece and continues to move the piece along in a certain flow...the wanking isn't pointless. i will admit that there are a couple of instances in the composed pieces (the jams are a whole different animal, imo, and bound to have more pointless wanking then i would find appreciable in a composed piece) where john or jordan seem to get a bit too indulgent, but overall i find that the flow of the music and it's cohesiveness (*word of the month*) to be a lot better in LTE2 than in LTE.
..and i've heard *bad* wankery where the wanking didn't seem to flow or really go anywhere within the context of the song. scott mcgill's hand farm opened for spock's beard in philly, and between bands mike "syrinx" ostrich came up to me and said "these guys can really play, huh?". yes they could play; too bad they couldn't compose...now *there* was an example of wanking without any purpose other than to show off some speed and technical prowess. the pieces were without *any* sense of flow or cohesiveness. ...imo only, people; no offense to those who enjoy their music.
anyway, someone said that they liked the songs on LTE better. i feel quite the opposite; i like the opening rift of "paradigm shift" better than any other instrumental segment that i've ever heard, but in terms of the whole, i really do like "acid rain" better, or at least equally. PS has a rather long dull section in the middle, which i do enjoy, but i've found i prefer AR which has only a brief section of over-indulgence to mar it's overall appreciability. and WtWB is simply the best instrumental ever. hands down. brilliantly composed, it truly has me captivated from beginning to end, which instrumentals rarely do, as much as i like them. the other two composed pieces, "biaxident" and "another dimension", are also both exceptional, but i'm not going to go into comparisons at this point (i've only owned the disc since may, after all).
chris
disclaimer: all of the above is opinion and subject to frequent change. :)
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