YTSEJAM Digest 4877
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Tori...
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
2) Re: Nuno/Malmsteen
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4875
by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net>
4) Re: MTV's bombardment of the masses
by Calvin6S@aol.com
5) Backdoor Boys
by "Jeremy Smirnov" <coworker@ix.netcom.com>
6) Re: MTV's bombardment of the masses
by JamesAhab@aol.com
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4875
by trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
8) Wow, we really HAVE matured
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
9) in need of theory help....please
by "J C" <outlander28@hotmail.com>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4876
by "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
11) DT converts.......
by "J C" <outlander28@hotmail.com>
12) DT converts.......
by "J C" <outlander28@hotmail.com>
13) vocals
by "Raitz" <raitz@cafe.ee>
14) Re: G3 (+Satriani/Vai)
by "Jarno Tuomainen" <jarno_tuomainen@hotmail.com>
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:12:16 -0500
From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Tori...
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990531221216.007b7bf0@umav04.udem.edu.mx>
email me privately, I have the URL for an amazing FTP server with lots of
bootlegs on MP3s, a whole collection of MIDI files, fan remixes....some
videos, the FTP is filled up with Tori stuff, it's a little bit crowded but
once you get it you wont get out in a while, trust me
>> >Does anyone know where can I find (over the net), Tori Amos' piano parts
>>or
>> >midi files?
---Alan Estrada Adler, ICQ #9267174 Monterrey, Mexico --------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:17:22 -0500 From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Nuno/Malmsteen Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990531221722.007b97d0@umav04.udem.edu.mx>
"Guitars that Rule the World". Great CD! I just meant that I >liked the Nuno song that was on that album as well as Leviathan and Reb >Beaches song, thats all;>
yes, great CD, Zakk Wylde's song is pretty good too, I do like this album a lot, Nuno's song is good but not as good as the song he recorded for the guitar for the practicing muscician (sp??) around 1991, it is longer than the one he included on guitars that rile the world and more complicated...
Has anyone have heard Mourning Widows yet? they have another CD comming out next week (it's actually an EP but any new song is welcome)
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Alan Estrada Adler, ICQ #9267174 Monterrey, Mexico --------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 00:02:07 -0400 From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4875 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990601000207.008d14b0@mail.ptd.net>
]From Dr. Teeth: >Seriously, the state of the jam is better than ever.
I have to agree here. There has been a lot of interesting and even intelligent posting going on. All we need now is for MP to start posting regularly! ;)
CyberDuke spoke of: >Joe Satriani, Steve Vai... and... Yngwie J. >Malmsteen. When I read this, I was totally blown away
Um, this does seem a little odd. Does anyone else think Y. J. would sound just a little out of place playing with Satch and Vai?
trent: >No doubt. I went thru my Radio Phase a few years back >and there's no denying that I enjoyed what I was >listening to, I just didn't really listen to it with a >very critical ear. I just accepted and consumed it.
NO DOUBT!?!? AAAAAAARGH!! Well, Gwen's not bad looking, I guess. I think everyone on this list has probably gone through a "radio phase", if not still going through one. There was I time when I didn't care what I listened to, because I figured whatever was on the radio or in my dad's CD collection (my first source for the incredible music of Rush) had to be good. Hell, I went through a rap phase in 7th grade ... any LI jammers ever listen to 97.1? It was the only station I'd put on. And then I had sort of a "chain of discovery" (NOT NECESSARILY "growth" or "enlightenment", as someone implied in a post about some "musical chain of evolution", some bullshit). First, there was R.E.M. Yes, they were the first band I ever really "latched on to", so to speak. I got a bunch of their albums, and I still think they are a great band ... "Automatic for the People" is one of my favorite albums of all time. Then I was into 80's alternative ... The Cure, Midnight Oil, Duran Duran, Depeche Mode, etc. U2 crept in there somewhere. I then decided to check out this Nirvana band everyone was talking about, and from there I went to "grunge-alternative" (Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, etc.) Then, one of the most important things in my life happened to me ... my friend Dylan lent me his "Master of Puppets" tape. This was the first time I really gave an album a few chances before I liked it ... it probably wasn't until my 4th or 5th listen that I was REALLY turned on to it, because it was the first really heavy music I had ever heard. But when it hit, it hit HARD ... it was very exciting, very intense. From there, I checked out Ozzy, Megadeth, Anthrax, Testament ... then got even heavier with Pantera, Slayer, Death, and Fear Factory. So I was a metalhead for a while, and then I discovered DT (won't go into the whole story). Now, I'm ordering CD's online in batches of 10-15, discovering all of these great musicians ... the 'jam has been a great source for bands to check out, and in most cases I haven't been disappointed ... my guitar teacher is always turning me on to new players .. basically, my horizons are a hell of a lot broader than they've ever been. And I STILL listen to "pop" bands.
Jon typed: >I don't find anything wrong >with listening to the "popular" stuff, as long as you like it. It isn't >like you are disrespecting prog by doing so...
Um, I could probably put together a tape of songs DT has written that I feel are "pop-oriented". Hell, listen to last year's Xmas CD. STM, CME, TLF, TSM ... and songs like AD, HY, WAYN, the first half of IF.
Anyway, I'm exhausted, which is probably a good thing, because I was about to start babbling. So I shut up now ... buh bye!
~Brian, not your average chatterbox.
NP: Symphony X - TDWoT ;)
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 00:05:54 EDT From: Calvin6S@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: MTV's bombardment of the masses Message-ID: <b1335d31.2484b622@aol.com>
> but plenty of them really are mind-controlled by MTV
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP. Everyone has a mind of their own. Let them use theirs however they see fit. What is wrong with buying a CD for just one or two songs? That's usually how you buy a CD anyway. You either take a chance off a recommendation from someone you share similar interests with or you hear some of the CD and take a chance that you will like the rest. I'm getting SICK of hearing about how MTV brainwashes others into what they want to buy. People spend money on CDS of their own free will. They have no one to blame but themselves if they buy music they don't like. And if they are buying music they like, then why tell them they are wrong?
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:11:30 -0500 From: "Jeremy Smirnov" <coworker@ix.netcom.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Backdoor Boys Message-ID: <001601beabe4$d6b2fc60$68b5dccf@jsmirnov>
Hello, I have been lurking here for the past year or so, but this is my first post... Not much to say for now, except for some news... For those of you who know a band called Death.... Well, looks like the lineup has changed again... No details are given out yet, but that may delay the next Control Denied project release date. I hope Richard Christy (drums) is still in.
Oh yeah... and if I EVER hear the "I want it that way" song by the Backstreet Boys, I AM going to puke... Must have heard it 27000 times this weekend. Fucking thing is everywhere and follows me around.
Have fun, people!
Jeremy
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 00:36:09 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: MTV's bombardment of the masses Message-ID: <2e80cdf0.2484bd39@aol.com>
>< You either take a chance off a recommendation from someone you share similar interests with or you hear some of the CD and take a chance that you will like the rest. ><
Some of them *don't* listen to the rest. I'm not telling anyone how to spend their money, but it's just dumb.
>< Everyone has a mind of their own. Let them use theirs however they see fit. ><
If you hear enough of something, you will like it. It's not `brainwashing.` this is not hard to understand. people are too easy to influence. i've seen it happen too many times.
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:31:48 -0700 (PDT) From: trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4875 Message-ID: <19990601053148.18248.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com>
--- Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net> wrote: > Hell, I went through a rap phase in 7th grade > ... any LI jammers > ever listen to 97.1? It was the only station I'd > put on.
I'm actually going thru my rap/hip hop stage at this moment. Sometimes I want really heavy guitar songs, but not always, hence my interest in hip hop. I love Busta Rhymes, Fugees, Tricky (cool guitars here), Wu Tang Clan, and etc. It's good music. It is, at once, revolutionary and anti-productive at the same time. The nature of the lyrics and whatnot is very relevant and revolutionary (for want of a better term) but the sampling bit has really started to get old. That's the only aspect of hip hop I'd change if I could. I don't think anyone should be ashamed of listening to hip hop.
> First, there was R.E.M. > Yes, they were the > first band I ever really "latched on to", so to > speak. I got a bunch of > their albums, and I still think they are a great > band ... "Automatic for > the People" is one of my favorite albums of all > time.
I must agree. R.E.M. came out of the 80's, but being that they still make relevant music, I lump them into 90's bands. Having said that, between them, Pearl Jam, Radiohead and DT, I have faith in the future of rock music. They show us that there's more than one way to rock. Each has their own undeniable talent, their own special way of amazing the absolute hell out of me.
> the 'jam has been a > great source for bands to check out, and in most > cases I haven't been > disappointed ...
I've not yet checked out some of the bands the 'jam has hooked me up with. I plan to, but I lack money being that I'm a college kid. But I plan to check out some other the bands that 'jammers have recommended to me. Well, not to me, but to other people. I figure if they like DT and I do too, there's probably more common ground. Anyway, I'm rambling. Check ya later.
> my guitar teacher is always turning > me on to new players > .. basically, my horizons are a hell of a lot > broader than they've ever > been. And I STILL listen to "pop" bands. > > Jon typed: > >I don't find anything wrong > >with listening to the "popular" stuff, as long as > you like it. It isn't > >like you are disrespecting prog by doing so... > > Um, I could probably put together a tape of songs DT > has written that I > feel are "pop-oriented". Hell, listen to last > year's Xmas CD. STM, CME, > TLF, TSM ... and songs like AD, HY, WAYN, the first > half of IF. > > Anyway, I'm exhausted, which is probably a good > thing, because I was about > to start babbling. So I shut up now ... buh bye! > > ~Brian, not your average chatterbox. > > NP: Symphony X - TDWoT ;) >
=== *Trent
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:00:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Wow, we really HAVE matured Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990601015507.6419A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Mon, 31 May 1999 Calvin6S@aol.com bellowed forth:
> SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP.
Now THAT'S the way I like to see our "more matured" 'jam! :)
Heh.
*** Public disclaimer: This post was all in good fun. Be lighthearted when reading it, or you may develop an aneurism. ***
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 03:03:25 EDT From: "J C" <outlander28@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: in need of theory help....please Message-ID: <19990601070326.2862.qmail@hotmail.com>
Through past posts ive noticed that there are some people here who are proficient in music theory (as well as stereo equipment ;>)
Thats why with all of the lists im on this one is the best
this list leaves me all warm and fuzzy 80
Anyway, I wanted to ask some jammers about chordal theory. ive been playing guitar for about 14 years and i feel ive got most diatonic modal theory down, but what confuses me is how some chords dont depend on a root to define the key. Personally (in keeping with the dark music thread) alot of my stuff is dissonant....and i wondered what defines dissonance. (two or more unison notes?)
Ive also read that many chords share the same notes and the only way to define their key is depending what immeaditely preceeds or follows it. WHAT??? when im using these "different" voicings i cant pin down where it originates....ive tried applying modal theory to dissect the chords but its kinda like ending up with multiple correct answers. Its like that 1 test question in school that you arrive at 2 answers and both are on the multiple choice.one is more correct.
Also do any of you have ideas as to how i can figure out what these chords are and what fits and whats illegal. Is that asking alot? i hope not cuz im lost!
I mean playing in the "pocket" is great but i want a lead sound that is as dissonant as the chords underneath. Im starting to master my delay unit and now im looking for the way to give my classical peices (dissonant chords) the nod they deserve....the backing chords are so lonely and defining of the tune that i want the lead to compliment them and i cant tell one of these damned voicings from another.
For ex. <7th fret D/6th fret G/open B and E...what is that?
anything you people can tell me would be massively appreciated....im not just looking for solid theory either all opinions are welcome on this...just please clarify whether its theory ruled or not so that my confusion doesnt grow further. oh and also please dont suggest books because ive had some good ones but this topic is rarely discussed in detail. thanx in advance Outlander
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 17:11:19 +1000 From: "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4876 Message-ID: <37538796.341F192B@alphalink.com.au>
> > > Now, on the topic of the world tour that is supposed to happen after the > release of the new albulm. Can anyone please tell me the unlikely good > news that the definition of "world" includes Australia? > > Keep on jammin' > > Niall
Hi. I am a fairly new subscriber, so hello. I suppose with a tour coming up one of these days, it is time for us Australians to try and get DT down here. Or at least some of the good prog bands : ) Let me know if there is enough support at least for a Sydney or Melbourne show so we can start calling the radio and stuff. BTW. I got Fates Warning's APSOG the other day. Reminded me a lot of Tool's Aenima in terms of style, just with a different singer. Are the other FW albums similar?
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 03:21:35 EDT From: "J C" <outlander28@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: DT converts....... Message-ID: <19990601072136.78322.qmail@hotmail.com>
Niall wrote: .. I often find that JLB's style of vocals is one of the things that my friends don't like about DT, and I remember questioning his style myself when I first heard DT.
this subject was discussed in detail today at our little memorial day bar-B-Q...basically it was me against a crowd of people trying to defend OFB against JLB haters. my best friends one of which is a guitar student love the music and hate James....after failed persuasion i resolved to the "King Diamond" concept....you need to read the lyrics along with the voclas to know why "he" (James or King)...goes all high and screamy all of a sudden...it didnt work...after some more arguement this room full of people settled on "OK...they are the best musicians around...then they should lose the singer and get someone better" i threw up my hands...
its not because i want my friends to like what i like....the problem stems from the fact that my best friend bought ACoS because he likes the covers however he only listens to 0:00 to 4:27 of "ACoS"...as soon as James opens his mouth he HITS THE FF button!!!!! he dont let off until the Darkest of Winters where he states "this kicks ass why isnt the rest like that?" then when i try to explain how James "Goodbye!" sets up that portion of the piece he wont hear it.Then its off to the Zep covers and thats it! I give up!! to hell with em all...theyre missing it and thats all i have to say about that.(pardon the Forrest Gump refernce but thats how i feel after talking blue in the face and drinking 20 beers) ;>
the point?...give DT at least 2 trys to perspective converts...after that if they didnt get it just forget it....personally it just took "A Fortune in Lies" and BAM! ....no turning back
Outlander
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 03:21:58 EDT From: "J C" <outlander28@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: DT converts....... Message-ID: <19990601072159.2145.qmail@hotmail.com>
Niall wrote: .. I often find that JLB's style of vocals is one of the things that my friends don't like about DT, and I remember questioning his style myself when I first heard DT.
this subject was discussed in detail today at our little memorial day bar-B-Q...basically it was me against a crowd of people trying to defend OFB against JLB haters. my best friends one of which is a guitar student love the music and hate James....after failed persuasion i resolved to the "King Diamond" concept....you need to read the lyrics along with the voclas to know why "he" (James or King)...goes all high and screamy all of a sudden...it didnt work...after some more arguement this room full of people settled on "OK...they are the best musicians around...then they should lose the singer and get someone better" i threw up my hands...
its not because i want my friends to like what i like....the problem stems from the fact that my best friend bought ACoS because he likes the covers however he only listens to 0:00 to 4:27 of "ACoS"...as soon as James opens his mouth he HITS THE FF button!!!!! he dont let off until the Darkest of Winters where he states "this kicks ass why isnt the rest like that?" then when i try to explain how James "Goodbye!" sets up that portion of the piece he wont hear it.Then its off to the Zep covers and thats it! I give up!! to hell with em all...theyre missing it and thats all i have to say about that.(pardon the Forrest Gump refernce but thats how i feel after talking blue in the face and drinking 20 beers) ;>
the point?...give DT at least 2 trys to perspective converts...after that if they didnt get it just forget it....personally it just took "A Fortune in Lies"(1st listen) and BAM! ....no turning back
Outlander
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:25:21 +0300 From: "Raitz" <raitz@cafe.ee> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: vocals Message-ID: <199906010725.KAA10264@ns.uninet.ee>
> From: Niall Connaughton <nconnaug@socs.uts.edu.au>
> little weak when it gets a good workout on tour. I'm sure everyone's > noticed him straining a little on OIALT. Also, I didn't like some of his > singing on LATM, as someone mentioned a while ago, the screaming puts me > off. I think that his best live singing is on the live tracks on ACoS... I
Those vocal tracks were overdubbed in the studio. :-) (Of course, the original versions rock just as much.)
The vocals on "Once In A Livetime"... I saw the band live a week before that, and there was nothing at all to complain about. NoTHING. :-) I guess singing three hours in a row really takes its toll, especially when you're singing stuff like that. And you do it every other night. Which of course only makes one respect the above mentioned singer even more.
Do not click here to continue.
Raitz
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 02:22:08 PDT From: "Jarno Tuomainen" <jarno_tuomainen@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: G3 (+Satriani/Vai) Message-ID: <19990601092208.16750.qmail@hotmail.com>
>else) that there is an upcoming G3 tour but only in Australia and/or >Japan >consisting of (check this out) - Joe Satriani, Steve Vai... and... >Yngwie >J. >Malmsteen. When I read this, I was totally blown away (and cursed
I remember reading from the OFFICIAL Malmsteen fan club site (www.pd.net/yngwie) that there has been some talk about Yngwie being one of the next G3, HOWEVER he probably won't be available due his busy schedule. Anyway I hope there'll be a cd and a video available, whatever the line-up may be.
BTW Does anyone happen to know anything besides rumors about what's going on with Joe Satriani and/or Steve Vai? Any records coming out and when? It's been a while since either of them has put out anything really new, and unfortunately their websites aren't the best news-wise (www.dreamtheater.net is the way to go!).
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