YTSEJAM Digest 4883
Today's Topics:
1) Opeth
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
2) Rare DT MP3's
by "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
3) Re: Flower Kings?
by "" <matthewyankee@hotmail.com>
4) Brainwashing schmainwashing
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
5) Re: Opeth
by Carlos Andres Alfaro Hernandez <prog@yunque.net>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4881
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
7) Re: RE: The saving grace of LA radio????
by MentolPyro@aol.com
8) Re: Opeth
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@iname.com>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4876
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@iname.com>
10) Re: MTV's bombardment of the masses
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
11) Re: Song for Eric
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4882
by Diablo6491@aol.com
13) MTV, Record Companies, and the movie Network
by bplumb@pi-r-squared.com
14) Re: MTV's bombardment of the masses
by trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4882
by Compadre32@aol.com
16) Primus/Buckethead/Ozzfest
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
17) magellan
by "Jonathan Roberts" <robertsj@ptdprolog.net>
18) Re: magellan (& Spock's Beard)
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
19) Re: Primus/Buckethead/Ozzfest
by "Sadbutunforgiven" <m99086a@bellsouth.net>
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:07:27 -0700
From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Opeth
Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C96056498093D9@messaging>
Alright, kudos to whomever it was that posted info about Opeth. I picked up
"My Arms, Your Hearse" with the buy.com $10 off gift certificate, and it
fucking rocks! I was not expecting all the variation - the clean parts,
some actual singing, entire acoustic songs, mixed with the expected kick-ass
black-metal-style stuff. Very, very cool stuff. This one may not leave the
changer for a while! How does this one compare to the previous two?
Thanks for the info again!
David Dixon, MCP
Consultant
E-Commerce & Internet Technology Solutions
Integrated Information Systems, Inc.
david@iisweb.com
ytsedave@asu.edu
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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 14:25:27 VET
From: "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Rare DT MP3's
Message-ID: <19990602182527.59741.qmail@hotmail.com>
Has anyone been able to download anything from that rare MP3's page?
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/1566/sounds.htm
If so, please tell me how.
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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 11:35:27 PDT
From: "" <matthewyankee@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Flower Kings?
Message-ID: <19990602183527.87498.qmail@hotmail.com>
Check out this site http://www.users.wineasy.se/flowerkings - it's the
official site, and you can order their albums from it.
Matthew Yankee
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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 11:35:57 -0700
From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Brainwashing schmainwashing
Message-ID: <3755798D.1B255BCA@ucla.edu>
I think it's not so much a case of being brainwashed or easily
influenced by what is popular and perhaps therefore good, it's more a
case of what is available versus what isn't. You just don't hear metal
on the radio here in LA. What you do here is lots of hip hop, rap,
dancey techno stuff, country, latin music on a few stations, and a to a
lesser extent, there is adult contemporary, a few college stations that
like to play eclectic and idie.. you catch my drift. For you LA people,
I pretty much grew up listening to KIIS and Power 106, not because I was
brainwashed and certainly not because I had MTV (I never had cable til
this year) but because old skool rap was widely available, as were acts
like George Michael and Madonna, whom I loved when I was younger.
People look at me like I'm a monster when they find out I don't know
what Iron Maiden, Judas Priest or AC/DC sound like. Sure Ive heard them
while riding along in friends' cars, but its not the same thing. We
just do not have a radio station that plays metal, old or new. If I
happen to catch Tool on the radio, it's a rare occurence. The "hard
rock" stations have become like Columbia House.. you open a catalog and
look under hard rock and what do you see but Neil Young and Lynard
Skynard.
~~Amanda
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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 14:36:57 -0700
From: Carlos Andres Alfaro Hernandez <prog@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Opeth
Message-ID: <3755A3F7.33F48CE9@yunque.net>
David Dixon wrote:
> Alright, kudos to whomever it was that posted info about Opeth. I picked up
> "My Arms, Your Hearse" with the buy.com $10 off gift certificate, and it
> fucking rocks! I was not expecting all the variation - the clean parts,
> some actual singing, entire acoustic songs, mixed with the expected kick-ass
> black-metal-style stuff. Very, very cool stuff. This one may not leave the
> changer for a while! How does this one compare to the previous two?
>
Well i thinks its more of a death metal with black vocals, but youre right
it does kick a whole lot of ass, very tight musicianship, great variations,
great acoustic passages etc. IMO, you will like Morningrise and Orchid the
same...although both are a bit more "drawn out" in the sense that the songs are
longer, with much more instrumental and acoustic passages, and less vocals
(clean or growled) I would suggest to get morningrise next, and then
orchid...(which i think is the most drawn out of all three) In anycase, if you
enjoyed "my arms.." you cant go wrong with any of the other cds. This is truly a
band with great music that lots of people are dismissing because of the growled
(i hate the term cookie monster) vocals.
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:09:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4881
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990602120520.1677B-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Wed, 2 Jun 1999 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
>Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:10:22 +0200 (CEST)
>From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
>To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
>Subject: Re: fake shocks
>
>
>On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Joshua Rasiel wrote:
>
>> I guess they were good at that, because as far as I know, most of the
>> subjects would end up staying, choosing not to dishonor their
>> obligation.
>
>As far as _I_ know, the main conlusion of that experiment was that the
>subject were 'electroshocking' the fake subjects for a surprisingly long
>time. Only when the 'victim' started to yell and screamed in pain, most of
>them quit the experiment.
>
Actually, Josh is right, but he forgot the chilling detail:
98% of the badgered experimentees continued even after the "victim"
began weakly complaining about his heart and was feared near death, and
95% continued until the victim "died". That's fucked up right there.
--Matt
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:28:54 EDT
From: MentolPyro@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: RE: The saving grace of LA radio????
Message-ID: <3b023cbf.2486ee06@aol.com>
I believe it was Dave Thomas who wrote
<<This is the sort of radio I grew up listening to (yes, I'm one old useless
bastard). Rock could be followed by jazz which could be followed by a comedy
record back to rock or whatever. The amazing thing was that for the most
part, the musical choices usually fit together. Playing a whole album side
was not an uncommon occurrence. When's the last time you heard something
more than five minutes long on a regular rock station>>
My post is mainly about playing whole album sides.
While I have definitely (and that by the way is the correct way of spelling
definitely) been weaning from listening to the radio, about a year ago, the
local radio station here (94.1, WJJO, Rockford or somewhere close to Madison,
Wisconsin) used to play whole albums to close out the night at around 11 PM.
I remember hearing New Millennium for the first time this way, and how at
first I was like HUH?? Took me a few minutes, but after the vocals came in,
I knew it was Dream Theater. Despite a desperate(<--almost) attempt to stay
up, I didn't even make it through that song (I'm NOT ragging on FII by the
way). Anyway, I don't know if they still do that, but i was just very
reminded of this when I read the original post
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:05:19 -0300
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@iname.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Opeth
Message-ID: <19990602160519.A3653@iname.com>
On Jun 02 1999, David Dixon wrote:
> Alright, kudos to whomever it was that posted info about Opeth. I
> picked up "My Arms, Your Hearse" with the buy.com $10 off gift
> certificate, and it fucking rocks! I was not expecting all the
> variation - the clean parts, some actual singing, entire acoustic
> songs, mixed with the expected kick-ass black-metal-style stuff.
> Very, very cool stuff. This one may not leave the changer for a
> while! How does this one compare to the previous two?
>
> Thanks for the info again!
Also, if you like the band, you might like to know that they
are releasing a new album (which is completely recorded
now). The title of the album as well as the songs are not yet
decided. How do I know that? I manage their mailing list (if
you want to subscribe, just send an e-mail to the following
address: rbrito-nectar-subscribe@ime.usp.br and read carefully
the instructions you'll receive).
Also, a recommended site about the band is members.xoom.com/opeth
Hope this helps, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@iname.com - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ (still an) Ugrad. Comp. Science student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Nectar homepage: http://www.linux.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/opeth/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:39:36 -0300 From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@iname.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4876 Message-ID: <19990602143936.B3464@iname.com>
On Jun 01 1999, MentolPyro@aol.com wrote: > Once again, the point of this was supposed to be a response to: > << If you like the band, just continue to listen to it, and ignore the > other fans opinions... You'll be happier. And the Internet will be > faster. >> > I don't really get the internet comment though.
Thank you very much for repeating my words here on the Ytsejam. As an amendment to my previous post, I intended it to be a comment (or should I say a critic) upon people who only listen to music "for their friends" and not for themselves. I know many people who actually listen to some kind of music (and this *DOES* include progressive rock/progressive metal and the subgenres) just to seem "cool" to their friends, which is a sad lack of real personality.
The comment about the Internet is that people will actually save bandwidth and the e-mail relays will have less traffic. It certainly won't make any difference to the speed of the Internet, since the amount of information is negligible, but it was supposed to be a sarcastic remark.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@iname.com - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ (still an) Ugrad. Comp. Science student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Nectar homepage: http://www.linux.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/opeth/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:39:04 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: MTV's bombardment of the masses Message-ID: <002b01bd8e66$858f2080$0201010a@chuck>
I'm a little late with this, but what the hey?
>or not your head has been in the sand for a number of years, good music >doesn't get a fair chance. I don't care whether you think MTV is >playing good music, but to say that MTV isn't biased and people are
This is true. But the comment that people are sheep and only buy what they are handed is complete BS. Remember my bread example a long time ago? Jeez, I'm too lazy to come up with new analogies so here goes:
A customer goes into the supermarket and picks up a pack of WonderBread. Mmm. Most popular kind of bread bought in any American household. Whilst this whole time the poor local bakery is suffering for business. Most of the local markets won't carry their bread for fear it won't sell as well as the much coveted WonderBread. I mean, why should Mr. Albertson purchase or even sponsor the local bakery over his star product, not to mention he's got his own bakeries cranking out bread, rolls, and pasties, hmmm? Same goes with the music industry. If it ain't broke, it don't need fixin'. Music companies are in it for the money; they don't like to take risks. A risk might mean missing a Billboard hit for a week or their quarterly gross earnings not going up their anticipated 1.7% over the last quarter. I hate to say it, but as long as we live in a capitalist society, I'm afraid the underground prog movement will have to remain just that. Underground.
Have you ever considered as well that perhaps the reason that people say they don't like listening to Dream Theater and other types of prog/jazz/what have you is because they >actually don't like it?< God forbid, I hate to think that, too, but generally people don't say they hate things when they really do like it. Previously, I'd subtly thrown in some Spock's Beard into some mixer Cd's for my friend and he really dug the tunes. June especially. So I thought I'd take a chance yesterday and play him "Strange World," my favorite track off of TKoS. Well, everything went alright until the solo when he started griping about the guitar tone. Then slowly my other friends began to chime in, "The singer has a whiny voice," "It's too loud," etc., etc....
I've come to the conclusion that when my friends say they don't like something, it might just actually mean they don't like it. Hmmm... Could be? :)
>I'm a recently converted DT fan, so I can be forgiven
You have to admit, a group of fans who call new fans converts has got to be something people in general want to avoid anyway. -- KorgX3 models a three dimensional potato bagging machine. Really. NP: Creedence Clearwater Revival - Chronicles
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:37:58 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Song for Eric Message-ID: <002a01bd8e66$84e747c0$0201010a@chuck>
>I don't know the differences. It sounds much like a Kevmo/Tori >colaboration. She must know about it, how did it come about, what does she >think of it etc.....
I just posted about this a couple of days ago. From what I can tell, song for Eric is an a capella (voice only) song written by Tori and released as an a capella piece. From what I have heard, Tori was not pleased to say the least when she'd heard Kevin's "butchery" of her song and almost filed a lawsuit against him. I mean, it takes a LOT to get an a capella piece perfect. Singing without accompaniment is a bitch and what Kevin did could be construed as an insult. Given KevMo's professed passion for Tori we know it wasn't that, but I don't think she knew that. :)
Perhaps Itchy could clarify it as it sounds as though he has a direct link to Kevin, although I doubt it would be a less than delicate topic to bounce off of KevMo at any given time. :)
Anywho... -- KorgX3 goes back to his AutoCAD console.
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:06:35 EDT From: Diablo6491@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4882 Message-ID: <17412fe.2486f6db@aol.com>
<< I keep hearing that song on the radio that has that guitar/synth? that sounds like a two-man saw ripping through a steel skull. The lyrics go something like: "I'm doin' the best that I ever can, I doin' the best I ever did, NOW GO AWAY!!!" heh >>
Wasnt sure if you were aware of who did the song or not so I figured I'd tell you, its Godsmack, a pretty good early Korn Rip off. I say early Korn because who in there right mind would weant to rip off "Follow the Leader". Its one of the worst fucking albums I've wasted my money on . . .
RaY
-Got it guarented, got it on my finger and my hand-
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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:18:44 -0500 From: bplumb@pi-r-squared.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: MTV, Record Companies, and the movie Network Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990602211844.0124a00c@pi-r-squared.com>
Leave it to me to take a topic like this and use it to plug a movie, but if any of you want a great illustration of how MTV, Record Companies, and the entertainment business in general work, watch the movie Network. Yes at times it is absurd, it's satire after all, but it also at times a hard hitting accurate portrayal of an America poisoned by capitalism and bad television. It's a great movie, check it out.
Palpatine "Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "Perhaps god gave the answers to those with nothing to say"- Savatage: Somewhere in time "Too bad! You were almost really evil!" -Shishio, Rurouni Kenshin
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:58:43 -0700 (PDT) From: trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: MTV's bombardment of the masses Message-ID: <19990602215843.24899.rocketmail@web507.yahoomail.com>
--- X3 <korgx3@safelink.net> wrote: > I've come to the conclusion that when my friends say > they don't like > something, it might just actually mean they don't > like it. Hmmm... Could > be? :) > KorgX3
Hm, interesting point. I do think that it's interesting that Dream Theater are huge hits in Japan. HUGE. Bigger than big. Ditto for R.E.M. Are they more open minded than Americans when it comes to music? I honestly think so. Society demands an image of some sort for every band to have, but America demands it even more. That's my personal theory why BSB and N'Suck can have such huge followings amongst pre-pubescent young girls. That is to say they have THE image; that pretty boy with sunglasses, short cut hair and five o'clock shadow beard image. The quality of the music ceases to matter real quick when sex becomes a factor. But I think I'll get off my soapbox and attempt to send fewer messages to the 'jam now. :o) === *Trent
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:18:51 EDT From: Compadre32@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4882 Message-ID: <cf4afcc1.248707cb@aol.com>
In a message dated 6/2/99 1:05:29 PM Central Daylight Time, Kevin Carmouche writes:
<<Popular does not mean bad, just means that they had the breaks as well as the selling point that got them into the public eye...>>
AMEN!!!!!!!!! i Happen to think that other than Mike Portnoy, the drummer (dont know his name) from The Dave Matthews Band is one of the most innovative drummers in the 90's. Popularity is all about WHO you know. Folks---that is the framework of the entire music industry. I have heard countless band that have made me go apeshit, but because they have poor or sometimes no connections with people in the biz, they usually keep playin in shitty places the rest of their careers (or you could get a scholarship to Berklee) But then again, maybe in the long run, bands with the greatest artisitc content will cast a shadow over all the trendy artists (if they even deserve to be called that)...which means we should all be patient cause one day, OFB will live on to be the Van Gough of Modern Music.
Peace
Compadre32
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:22:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net> To: YtseJelly <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Primus/Buckethead/Ozzfest Message-ID: <Pine.GSU.4.05.9906021820570.3037-100000@viking.cris.com>
Hi.
Has anyone been to this year's Ozzfest yet? If so, did Buckethead play with Primus? If so, what tunes did he play on?
Thank you kindly.
Rick Audet San Francisco
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:22:37 -0400 From: "Jonathan Roberts" <robertsj@ptdprolog.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: magellan Message-ID: <000301bead46$6db2c160$3024bacc@jon-s-tube>
Hey, can anyone recommend which magellan album i should buy first, and what about spock's beard?
Thanx ahead of time for the input.
I heard some of these guys on that awesome ELP tribute and I want to finally check them out.
Later all
JOn
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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:45:03 -0700 From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: magellan (& Spock's Beard) Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990602154448.006dbff4@postoffice.pacbell.net>
At 03:34 PM 6/2/99 -0700, you wrote: > >Hey, >can anyone recommend which magellan album i should buy first, and what about >spock's beard?
On Spock's Beard: Personally, I'd say "The Light" or "Beware of Darkness"... but you're bound to get different answers, so you can check out some mp3 samples here <http://www.spocksbeard.net> and decide what you like best.
:o) -- Lisa Marie "Jessie" ytsegirl@pacbell.net
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:02:59 -0400 From: "Sadbutunforgiven" <m99086a@bellsouth.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Primus/Buckethead/Ozzfest Message-ID: <002c01bead4c$10e4c360$b012d6d1@pavilion>
i went to the opening date, and he played with them. the first time he came out, he came out and did a solo, and i think that was it. then, les started playing this riff, and he came out, and acted like a robot, then got some nunchucks and played with them, to the beat of the riff. it was cool. then he played a song with them, but i am not sure what it's called. they did a new song, called "antipop".
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