YTSEJAM Digest 4885
Today's Topics:
1) Off-Topic: Need Guitar Info
by "Bernard, Chris" <CBernard@pulaskifurniture.com>
2) Prog Rock and Heavy Metal Showcase!!!
by AnalogGal@aol.com
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4884
by DrummerEsh@aol.com
4) RE: YTSEJAM digest 4884
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
5) Re: Magellan...
by Steve Chew <schew@tislabs.com>
6) Re: magellan (& Spock's Beard) / Iced Earth in DC
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
7) me?....lighten up?
by J C <outlander28@hotmail.com>
8) does iron maiden have a decent web page dedicated to them?
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
9) Re: Kiss ripoff
by MentalHunk@aol.com
10) Re: popularity thread; DMB drummer
by trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
11) BUCKCHERRY,MAIDEN video
by JKorby1973@aol.com
12) THANKS!!
by "Jon Case" <JLCASE@prodigy.net>
13) "Columbine: Who's Fault Is It?" by Marilyn Manson
by MaxArbot@aol.com
14) Internet Radio question
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
15) Re: Death, Spastic Ink
by Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
16) horn section
by J C <outlander28@hotmail.com>
17) (no subject)
by CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:16:52 -0400
From: "Bernard, Chris" <CBernard@pulaskifurniture.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>,
Subject: Off-Topic: Need Guitar Info
Message-ID: <18DB7F3D6363D1119B080060083FF42CC4E54C@PFC_EXCH01>
Howdy, y'all....
Sorry for straying off-topic, but i need some info and thought someone here
could help.
i have a guitar i'm gonna try to sell. But before i do, i need to know what
i have and what to ask for it. Does anybody know of a good source --
internet or otherwise(books, etc...) -- for info on identifying older
guitars. All i've been able to deduce is that it's an epiphone solid-body
electric from around the late 1960's. i live in a pretty rural area, so it's
not like there a ton of guitar shops around to take this thing to and have
somebody eyeball....
Anyways, if one of you can help me out, great. And thanks in advance!!!
NP: Cowboy Junkies - Lay It Down
CHRIS
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:27:16 EDT
From: AnalogGal@aol.com
To: undisclosed-recipients:;
Subject: Prog Rock and Heavy Metal Showcase!!!
Message-ID: <5a5abd12.24883114@aol.com>
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:32:41 EDT
From: DrummerEsh@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4884
Message-ID: <25da3c64.24884069@aol.com>
In a message dated 6/3/99 11:48:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ytsejam@ax.com
writes:
<< oh wait, hold on just a second, and, in third place is - wait - wait -
David
Silveria (Korn) is now a progressive rock drummer! Stop the presses! Was
this some obscure side project I haven't heard about with Tony Levin, Rick
Wakeman, and Steve Vai, or am I fairly convinced that there are TOO many
Korn fans who read MD and vote David Silveria in EVERY category... Points
to ponder... :)
David >>
Hey hold up there buddy!! Im a Korn fan and David Silveria is an amazing
drummer...take the time and listen to his drumming he totaly has his shit
together. ya he's no Mike Portnoy but the man is good.
-Esh
http://welcome.to/Phosphenes
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:43:06 -0700
From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 4884
Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C96056498093E2@messaging>
Hey - I'm not bagging on David Silveria. He's just not a prog drummer. I
realize the man has chops - Korn just isn't prog (I'm a fan, too, but most
Korn fans are pretty rabid and closed-minded)...
David Dixon, MCP
Consultant
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Integrated Information Systems, Inc.
david@iisweb.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: DrummerEsh@aol.com [SMTP:DrummerEsh@aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 1:41 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4884
>
>
> In a message dated 6/3/99 11:48:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> ytsejam@ax.com
> writes:
>
> << oh wait, hold on just a second, and, in third place is - wait - wait -
> David
> Silveria (Korn) is now a progressive rock drummer! Stop the presses!
> Was
> this some obscure side project I haven't heard about with Tony Levin,
> Rick
> Wakeman, and Steve Vai, or am I fairly convinced that there are TOO many
> Korn fans who read MD and vote David Silveria in EVERY category...
> Points
> to ponder... :)
>
> David >>
>
> Hey hold up there buddy!! Im a Korn fan and David Silveria is an amazing
> drummer...take the time and listen to his drumming he totaly has his shit
> together. ya he's no Mike Portnoy but the man is good.
>
> -Esh
> http://welcome.to/Phosphenes
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 17:50:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Chew <schew@tislabs.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Magellan...
Message-ID: <199906032150.RAA20495@clipper.gw.tislabs.com>
>From: "Jonathan Roberts" <robertsj@ptdprolog.net>
>Subject: magellan
>
>can anyone recommend which magellan album i should buy first, and what about
>spock's beard?
>
I personally really like Magellen's "Impending Ascension" and
"Hour of Restoration". I like "Test of Wills", but not as well.
I'd recommend picking up "Impending Ascension" first since it has
better production than "Hour of Restoration" and is probably easier to
find. I'd say that "Test of Wills" is heavier sounding than the others
(more guitar though still mainly keys) but I think the overall songs
and melodies just aren't as good.
Good luck.
Steve
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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 18:03:05 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: magellan (& Spock's Beard) / Iced Earth in DC
Message-ID: <3756FB99.F9C1BB25@home.com>
As far as a first Spock's album..... They're ALL great, but I'd say the
most "accessible" would be either Day For Night, or The Kindness of
Strangers. Then again, Beware of Darkness would be a good choice too.
OK.... so I didn't help much! ;)
Pat Daugherty said:
> So who is going to the Iced Earth/Destiny's End(i think that is the
> name)/Division show tonight (Thursday) at Jaxx?
>
> I really have no clue what to expect so it should be interesting...
Hmmm..... well..... how can I put this....... ummmmm........
You can expect Iced Earth to knock you on your fuckin' ass! =)
p.s. Pack your earplugs. *grin*
- Joe DeAngelo
jdeangelo@home.com ICQ # 1872723
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"Fuck trends, and fuck posers"
- Jon Schaffer, Iced Earth
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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 18:10:19 EDT
From: J C <outlander28@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: me?....lighten up?
Message-ID: <19990603221020.78733.qmail@hotmail.com>
I think *someone* needs to lighten up.
Jim
Nah!...i wasnt trying to be mean its just that someone mentioned that after
the plug was pulled the jam was no longer hostile....."dont know what ya got
till its gone" kinda thing
i wasnt saying we should pull the plug on these ingrates ;>
besides that would be hard to do since most who post have been here a lot
longer than i have
i noticed also that a lot of the time people say something and the response
sounds like they are slamming them when they arent
point?....its tough to read sarcasm in text format ;>
besides I wouldnt dream of insulting Al he might beat me down with his new
horn ;>
Outlander
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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 16:04:13 PDT
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: does iron maiden have a decent web page dedicated to them?
Message-ID: <19990603230413.46563.qmail@hotmail.com>
>P.S. How come Best Buy and Circuit City dont have Ice Age, Tiles, or
> >Dali's Dilemma????
can't make any excuses for Dali's or Ice Age (which just came out Tuesday),
but the reason they don't have Tiles is becausue the disc doesn't come out
in the States until the end of the month (29th, i believe).....do they at
least have LTE II listed for upcpming releases?
about the subject, this is what I mean by the word "Decent": one that
explains what the deal is with the Castle Records 2-disc sets that are
apparently out of print and going for some very decent prices when offered
for auction at ebay.com
one such auction ad mentioned something about a lawsuit, but I can't find
ANY reference to that on the net.....
can anyone point me to a freakin' faq???
partha
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 19:17:38 EDT
From: MentalHunk@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Kiss ripoff
Message-ID: <55ff0b0f.24886712@aol.com>
In a message dated 99-06-03 14:48:55 EDT, you write:
<< anybody else noticed that the song from that band Buckcherry ( or whatever
its name is)
is a complete rip-off of KISS's song SHOCK ME! I mean the song even has the
same chords and progression, and in the same key! At least they could've
disguise it a little. Anyway, i thought i should share that with everybody.
>>
I agree !
No-one I tell seems to agree but it sounds identical to me, with the
progression just a lil different.
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 17:03:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: popularity thread; DMB drummer
Message-ID: <19990604000352.747.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com>
--- Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> I believe you're absolutely right, I'm working with
> a jazz band in New
> Orleans, and our best customers are ALWAYS from
> Japan or
> Germany/Scandinavia...sure, some of it may be
> economics, but I find overall
> that Europeans and Asians are much more receptive to
> jazz/progressive types
> of music than Americans are...
Interesting. The real tragedy of the situation, IMHO,
is that truly good bands may get hella attention in
nations other than the USA, but they'll never be truly
recognized for their talent (I speak of DT, R.E.M.'s
Up album, etc) simply b/c they don't pander to the
fickle tastes of mass consumption. Hm. Oh well, as I
said in a previous post, I don't want DT to be so
mindlessly consumed in such larges masses anyway, so
maybe this situation isn't as bad as it may seem.
> You look at the pop culture
> nowadays, and most of
> it is controlled by teenage and preteen girls, BSB,
> NSync, Titanic, Buffy
> The Vampire Slayer,
Yup. I'm sure Sarah Michelle Goddess' presence in
Buffy doesn't hurt either. The weird thing is that a
lot of young girls went to go see Titanic, like, ten
times when it was in movie theaters. I kinda liked
the movie, in the beginning, but I never understood
the large amount of attention it recieved. I'm not
wishing to spawn a whole seperate thread, I just think
it's stupid to make such a big deal out of a movie.
Course, I'm the same guy who skipped a day of school
to see The Phantom Menace twice in the space of six
hours and then again the next day. Maybe I shouldn't
talk... :o) One last thing, BSB's Millenium CD is now
the quickest selling CD of all time... thanks to a lot
of fickle pre-pubescent teenage girls mindless
purchases. Hm...
===
*Trent
"I couldn't breathe, holdin' me down.
Hand on my face, pushed to the ground.
Enmity gauged, united by fear.
Forced to endure what I could not forgive."
* Eddie Vedder, a man amongst men
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:37:25 EDT
From: JKorby1973@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: BUCKCHERRY,MAIDEN video
Message-ID: <dc95d30c.248879c5@aol.com>
In a message dated 99-06-03 14:48:53 EDT, you write:
<< hey jammers,
anybody else noticed that the song from that band Buckcherry ( or whatever
its name is)
is a complete rip-off of KISS's song SHOCK ME! I mean the song even has the
same chords and progression, and in the same key! At least they could've
disguise it a little. Anyway, i thought i should share that with everybody.
later,
jose
Puerto Rico
>>
OK, so I guess every rock song with the chords G, D, A or G, C, D are ripping
off AC/DC, huh? The song you're talking about is called "Lit Up" and it
really kicks ass. ESPECIALLY when you consider all of the other crap new
bands are putting out these days. DT is my fav band, but when it comes down
to simple ass-kickin "radio" rock, these guys seem to have some great
potential. Although I don't have their cd yet, I've heard many people compare
Buckcherry to Guns'n'Roses. And although I've only heard the one song, I'd
have to agree just out of the fact that these guys seem to have a similar
style and attitude. But who knows, maybe I'll get the cd and be totally wrong
and find out they suck ass. Do any jammers here have this cd? Any comments?
Recommendations? Let me know. Personal email is welcome.
I saw VH1's ROCKSHOW the other night and saw the video for Iron Maidens
"Evil That Men Do". It brought me back to the good old days of staying up til
2am on Saturday nights watching Headbangers Ball. I forgot how much that song
ruled! Also, has anyone noticed while watching ROCKSHOW, that it seems like
the music is mixed a little off? Like if there's 2 or 3 guitar parts, for
some reason one stands out more and the others are buried? I've noticed it
the most when they play Metallica's "Whiskey/Jar" and parts of GNR's
"Welcome/Jungle". It's not my tv or stereo, because it only happens when that
show is on.
Anyways, later all!
-JK
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:47:51 -0700
From: "Jon Case" <JLCASE@prodigy.net>
To: "Dream Theater Jam" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: THANKS!!
Message-ID: <000101beae3d$054998e0$4f81fcd1@oemcomputer>
You guys were very kind to respond to me despite my pissed off vulgur email.
Truly proof that dream theater fans RULE!!!!
Actually, I unsubscrubed again and received a message back from
listproc@ax.com saying that I'm not subscribed (error). Well, anyway, when
I get some time again I'll resubscribe cause I love Dream Theater and all
the fans.
Peace and Cheers,
Jon
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:49:04 EDT
From: MaxArbot@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: "Columbine: Who's Fault Is It?" by Marilyn Manson
Message-ID: <b33860ac.24888a90@aol.com>
I suggest anyone from the States should check out the latest issue of Rolling
Stone (it's the one with Jar Jar Binks on the cover). It's well worth
reading...
[eriC]
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 23:32:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Internet Radio question
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990603233126.20552A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
I don't have access to a radio station in the area that has this program
on it (not to mention that my radio's antenna sucks), but I love it and
laugh at it whenI see it on E! television. Does anybody know any
addresses of Internet Radio sites (whether MS Radio or RealAudio streaming
or whatever) that has the Howard Stern show on it?
Oh yeah, and what time DOES the HS show broadcast, anyway? It's a morning
show, isn't it?
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a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu
http://cout.home.dhs.org/
Cloak on IRC
ICQ: 2513441
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"What makes you strange is that you don't
understand that I'M the one who's normal."
- Heidi Lacroix
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:15:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Death, Spastic Ink
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990603204343.28464A-100000@line.cds.caltech.edu>
On Thu, 3 Jun 1999 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> From: "Jeremy Smirnov" <coworker@ix.netcom.com>
>
> Well... I don't know about Richard Christy with another band... Never heard
> Spastik Ink, how is it? But the thing is... it's a fact: every drummer
SI is a band put together by Ron Jarzombek, guitarist for what used to be
Watchtower. Unbelievably crazy shit. Style of music would be metal, I
suppose. Dunno what else to call it. As if that weren't enough, it's
all-instrumental too. Check out the offical website for more:
http://www.spasticink.com/
> that has worked with Death and split later hasn't been playing anything
> nearly as good as what they were playing with Death. Let's see: Chris
Hehe...couldn't help noticing that myself, especially with Hoglan.
> Reifert and Bill Andrews can rot in hell, Sean Reinert did Cynic, Anomaly,
> and Gordian Knot, but still not as technical, Gene Hoglan did Old Man's
I've never heard of the other 2 guys (earliest Death I have is Human), but
I do disagree with you about Reinert. To my listener's (read:
non-drummer) ears, Reinert's playing in Cynic was a lot more
intricate than what he did on the Human CD. Also, Reinert turned in some
great drumming on Sean Malone's other solo CD, a jazz CD called
"Cortlandt." Came out in '96. I recommend it, if you're into fusion-type
stuff, and if you can find copies of it somewhere. I only listen to
about 3 or 4 of the 6 or so tracks on it, though. Reinert is also involved
in another project called "Aghora", another metal band. I'm not sure, but
I think it's come up on this list. It caused a bit of a flurry on the
Meshuggah mailing list because Meshuggah guitarist Thordendal is slated to
play on a track or two. Maybe I'm getting the lists mixed up:). Based on
the 2 clips I've heard, though, I'd have to HIGHLY recommend this band.
All they have for sale at the moment is a demo CD, and I'm not sure when
they're supposed to release something. For more info, and clips, check
out: http://www.veilmaya.org/aghora/
> Child (ok), Naphobia (never heard it), SYL (ok if not for the fact that you
> can barely hear him behind all the noise), and Testament (his most
> un-inspired work I think)...I think Chuck Schuldiner sqeezes extra-juice out
I have SYL's City and Testament's Demonic. Got 'em both cuz I heard
Hoglan was on 'em. I wasn't really blown away by 'em. I still listen to
City every once in a while. It's good music for doing homework. But I
guess Hoglan's not really interested in the more elaborate type of
drumming he did on Individual Thought Patterns and Symbolic. Shame. He
was good at it, and I was hoping he would get even better.
Younis Hilal------------------------yhilal@cds.caltech.edu
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Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 00:26:15 EDT
From: J C <outlander28@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: horn section
Message-ID: <19990604042616.85168.qmail@hotmail.com>
I fucking love well played and well recorded horns. BTW, some of the older
Neil Diamond material had a significant amount of horns.
How about Steely Dan? there was a band in El Paso called "Black Tie" who had
a full horn section and played in local rock clubs....they had the Steely
Dan horn stuff down and theyve left a musical impression on me....very
strong statement those horns.
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Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 01:44:47 EDT
From: CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com
To: Ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <f88b6623.2488c1cf@aol.com>
Well lets see first time writing to the jam, but it wont be that
informational, but I'll just give a few comments first of all thanks to
Fateswarm for all that good info on finding some prog musicians really
helped. Actually not it took to some community page with no search and I
couldnt find anything about prog. Maybe you could give of some more info
Michael M.? Thanks
Outlander wrote:
>someone said
>"You have to admit, a group of fans who call new fans converts has got to be
>something people in general want to avoid anyway"
>why because thats not what you call them?.....what should we call them?
>I think that calling someone a convert is not a bad thing because ANYONE
>after DTs' original members who listened are converts in my
>book.....including JLB and Jordan Rudess to name just a few and that does
>not disrespect their abilities in the least
>Lighten up....JEEZ!
and I completely agree. I definitely look forward to the new sounds DT will
be putting out with new members...although I do wonder why they got rid of
certain individuals....
Say what you will but take mercy
The prog-lover Chuck
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