YTSEJAM Digest 4924
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Spock's and some other shizola
by trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
2) Re: Spock's and some other shizola
by Dan McCormack <cowgod77@hotmail.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4918
by trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
4) Musings about Myung
by TEDESCO MATTHEW A <Matthew.Tedesco@Colorado.EDU>
5) Michael Manring ???
by "Robert O'Doherty" <rodoherty@seagull.nl>
6) Re: MY SINGING! & more (or should I say Moore?!)
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
7) RE: Combining MP3's
by Shane Hunziker <Shane.Hunziker@harbinger.com>
8) New DT3D-stuff
by "Simon Long Krogh" <finn2@get2net.dk>
9) Iron Maiden
by Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
10) Re: Spock's Beard Flame War
by "Michael Patrick" <civilwar@my-deja.com>
11) Re: Music...
by Steve Chew <schew@tislabs.com>
12) Spock's Beard, Genesis, the notes you don't play sound just as good, etc. etc etc
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
13) Oh my God - NDTC - N-ANYTHING
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
14) Re: Re: A couple flaws in the Korg Trinity's design (NDTC)
by ShadowBor@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:33:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Spock's and some other shizola
Message-ID: <19990621163359.28221.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com>
--- Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> wrote:
> No, but you're certainly not supposed to make
> religious attacks on
> this list. That happens to be on the list rules...
> but don't worry, we
> all break rules. Like me, now, I'm calling you a
> fuckhead.
Religous attack? Hm. All I said was that it sounded
like Christian music, which from my experience has a
lot of similar elements (vocal harmonies, etc). If
you want to make this a religous issue, you're going
to have to do it by yourself b/c I attacked no one. I
just don't like Christian music. Yeesh, settle down.
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:43:19 AST
From: Dan McCormack <cowgod77@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Spock's and some other shizola
Message-ID: <19990621164320.66842.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
>Subject: Spock's and some other shizola
> > pressing forward with their own voice. I noticed in LTE2 that >
>Petrucci has an Eventide harmonizer in his rack now.
>
> Did you notice via picture or via gear list? Because I don't think he had
>one in the LTE vids (which I believe are post
i'm not sure if it's PTE3X's or Calvin's LTE vid, but in one of em the
cameraman heads over and films JP's rack after the show and you can see an
Eventide there. i believe it was Calvin's tape. moo.
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:59:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4918
Message-ID: <19990621165924.18176.rocketmail@web501.yahoomail.com>
--- "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
wrote:
> I've been interested to see the number of people
> who are into Dream Theater but who don't play an
> instrument. Being a guitar player myself, I got
> into them through hearing about JP, but I
> was
> thinking it must have been 'hard' for those people
> who don't play an instrument to really
> appreciate
> them. Unless you know lots of musicians or
> something. Just a thought.
Uh, I play the baseball bat. Heh heh, no, I got into
DT b/c a friend of mine who's also into Zep (I'm a big
Ledhead) gave me a glowing recommendation of the Zep
covers on ACOS. My brother had I&W in his room, so I
could listen to that to kinda get used to how the band
sounded (as you might know, I&W was good, but ACOS the
song was at least as good if not better). So anyway,
I took the CD home, listened to the covers a few
times, and was impressed. DT are one of the few bands
to do a Zeppelin-cover right. Anyway, I was impressed
with ACOS as a song and a CD and I&W was a pretty good
album, for a first album and everything. Hm. So
there ya go. I don't play an instrument, but I am a
DT fan. There's one for ya.
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:50:57 -0600 (MDT)
From: TEDESCO MATTHEW A <Matthew.Tedesco@Colorado.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Musings about Myung
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990621101652.18457A-100000@ucsub.colorado.edu>
Ptacek offered:
> WOWOWOW... how do you come to this conclusion? The E.T. finger
> "Econony of motion is nothing to me" technique? The complete inability to
> take a meaningful solo?
Myung once commented that he switched to the 6-string precisely because it
afforded him greater economy. Given the demanding nature of the music,
I'm not exactly sure in what ways he could be MORE economical....
> The guy is an excellent songwriter, and a good
> bassist in the "behind the band" sense, but the only time he meaningfully
> takes the center is Metropolis, and only for like... a second. He's a
Two possibilities here, and I think you're only acknowledging one. The
first, the one you're offering, is that he only "meaningfully takes the
center" for "a second" in one song is due to some limitation of his
ability as a soloist. The second, and the one I find far more likely, is
that he only steps forward once simply because he's composing his part
towards the good of the song, which, most often, does not call for a
blistering bass solo. His ability to solo, I think, is at least validated
on his instructional video, in the closing jam with DS and MP.
> good bassist, but he's sloppy, has probably improved the least out of all
> the members since I&W and is WAY overrated on the Stick (which he'd
> probably admit since he's rather new to it).
OK, then, to the heart of Chris' 3 criticisms. Sloppy? Evidence, please.
If there's one thing all that practice has afforded him, I think, it's an
ability to play cleanly.
Improved the least... well, spoken like a true guitarist. =) By saying
"improved the least," I see you're acknowledging that they've all improved
to some degree. Fair enough. So, the question... improved to what end?
Depends on how you define the bassist's role, I suppose. Before, you
mentioned that he was good in a "behind the band" sense. At the very
least, particularly in the genre of music in which DT resides, the bass
player should FUNDAMENTALLY play a supportive rhythmic role. This can be
done in countless creative, challenging ways, obviously... but to me, and
I'm sure to a lot of bass players, the lines he plays on FII are VASTLY
improved beyond his finger-numbing exercises of WDADU & I&W. He's
improved from writing flashy, fast basslines to playing the role of the
quintessential bass player. Do I want to say he's improved MORE than
anyone else in the band? No. But to say he has improved the least seems
foolish.
The least criticism, and to me, the one that's the most inexplicable, is
that he's overrated on the stick. You're way out of this, I think, was
when you pointed out how he'd admit this, because he's new to the
instrument. Still, that doesn't cut it at all. It shouldn't be a
criticism at all, because NOBODY is overrating him on the Stick! Who?
Who is claiming that Myung is a Stick pioneer, or a master of the Stick,
or something like that? He plays it on one DT song, and shows up
sparingly on Sean Malone's Gordian Knot project. To criticize his
Stick-playing as somehow illustrating a limitation in his abilities as a
bassist is entirely off-base. Entirely.
> I could name 10 bassists
> off the top of my head who I think are leaps and bounds beyond him (and I
> have in past threads of this nature). No offense to any of you pedestal
> pushers out there.
>
So could I. So? Because there are other incredibly talented bassists out
there, this somehow demonstrates some limitations in Myung's ability?
To say, as some people have, that Myung is clearly the best bassist going,
or the best musician in DT, is at best ignorant. Chris, though, your
replies some pretty off-the-mark as well.
--MATt
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:54:10 +0100
From: "Robert O'Doherty" <rodoherty@seagull.nl>
To: "Ytsejam (E-mail)" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Michael Manring ???
Message-ID: <000001bebc06$affef560$03632a0a@rob.seagull.ie>
OK, you have my attention. Who is Michael Manring; what CDs has he played
on; where can I sample his wares(!!)?
Dave LaRue has been my God for the last few months (and IMHO one of the
greatest bassists on the planet - See Dixie Dregs "Bring 'em Back Alive" if
you need any evidence of that) but then someone recently mentioned Michael
Manring in the same sentence as Victor Wooten (who is way, way beyond me -
at least I can *begin* to tackle Dave LaRue stuff) and that scared me ...
Would someone mind dropping me a brief mail or maybe a link to a MM MP3 site
or something ...
Thanks,
Rob.
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 21:58:38 -0500
From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: MY SINGING! & more (or should I say Moore?!)
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990620215838.007dc510@umav04.udem.edu.mx>
>PS - to the jammers on this "name change after Kevin" thread...
>I must point out that we exsisted for almost a year before Kevin joined
us....
>The 2 Johns and myself are the band's founding members.....
>
>Just a reminder!!! : )
but that's majesty's founding members, right? wasnt Kevin an founding
member of DT?
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:11:38 -0400 From: Shane Hunziker <Shane.Hunziker@harbinger.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: RE: Combining MP3's Message-ID: <FB6DDB4A76FED21181170090273C5FA82564EA@atlmisech1.harbinger.com>
Many thanks to all those who responded to my question! Got it working great!
Thanks, Shane Hunziker Harbinger Corportion
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:40:35 +0200 From: "Simon Long Krogh" <finn2@get2net.dk> To: "The Ytsejam Mailinglist" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: New DT3D-stuff Message-ID: <000201bebc08$da6895c0$42822fc3@flskesteg>
Hi, there! Now, that I'm over my final exams, I have time for the more important thi= ngs in life..the DT3D-stuff! To celebrate this, I've just made a new pic (majesty9.jpg). Go see it and tell me what you think (private mail). As always, new ideas are more than welcome!(private mail). Shees! can't we g= et this summer over with...I can't wait 'till the fall and the NEW DT ALBUM!= !! Oh, well...we might as well enjoy it now, that it's here
BTW I'll be away June 25th 'till July 12th so you won't be able to reach = my in that period.
Take care now, bye-bye then
Simon Long Krogh
NP: Baden Powell - Canto De Xang=F5 (Go! you bossa-animal, you :-) )
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:15:44 -0400 From: Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Iron Maiden Message-ID: <379751BF.4BF28993@ic3.ithaca.edu>
I bought tickets to see Maiden at the Orpheum Theater in Boston but I was not able to get any tickets for either shows at Hammerstein Ballroom in NYC. However, I have 2 extra tickets for the Boston show and I'm looking to trade them for 2 tickets to one of the NYC shows. Please email me privately if you can make me a happy man.
Chris
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:26:43 -0700 From: "Michael Patrick" <civilwar@my-deja.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Spock's Beard Flame War Message-ID: <HACFDPPAKHIMAAAA@my-deja.com>
Since I fired the first shot across the bow of Trent, I'll step back in.
I don't care if you hate Spock's Beard. I can't for the life of me figure out how you could, but that's your business. There's lots of stuff that people around here are into that I think is garbage, the difference being, I IGNORE IT AND KEEP QUIET.
If you're on a list where you KNOW that a large portion of the population are into something, why would you say, in effect, 'this stuff is total shit'? To win some kind of popularity award?
Yeah, yeah, dissenting opinion...yada, yada.
Oh, and one more thing - and here I'm siding up with Lisa Marie bigtime - if you can actually use a computer, there IS NO EXCUSE for you to buy something like Spock's Beard without hearing a ton of it first. You can, of course, choose to ignore the flood of .MP3s out there and purchase it blindly, but if you do and find you've pissed away $15...
DON'T BITCH ABOUT IT HERE
Mike
And, Korg, I refuse on principle to accept that people comparing Spock's Beard to 'Peter, Paul, and Mary' or early Yes are outaruging me.
--== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:25:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Chew <schew@tislabs.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Cc: indii@vistatech.net Subject: Re: Music... Message-ID: <199906211726.NAA09569@clipper.gw.tislabs.com>
> >hey jammers, >looking for some new cd's to buy. i have a little catalog of new Magna Carta >cd's and new some insight.... > >I am currently listening to DT, Explorer's Club, Symphony X, and need >something in this style.... Echant? Royal Hunt? Tempest? Cairo? Shadow >Gallery? and which album? >
Personally, I like Magellan's "Impending Ascension". If you liked "Explorer's Club" you may like Magellan (Trent Gardner does the writing and vocals for Magellan too).
>How about other new CD's that aren't in the Magna Carta series.. > I'd recommend going to www.moremetal.com and checking out the "Quick Pick" samples. They have a bunch of samples that will give you an idea of what a number of bands are like.
> >I want so fast as hell and really cool keyboard and or piano songs to listen >to..(feel free to make other suggestions). > Cairo has a ton of fast keyboard stuff, but I don't like the vocals that well. ELP (Emerson Lake and Palmer) were probably the original "fast as hell" keyboard band. Check out their "Brain Salad Surgery". ELP has an older sound to them, but they've got some wonderful compositions.
Steve
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:22:52 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Spock's Beard, Genesis, the notes you don't play sound just as good, etc. etc etc Message-ID: <376E82FC.5126@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
I'll keep this one short.....BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
While mixing bytes into the filestructure called <199906210014.RAA24077@gms.gmsnet.com>, the light of reason befell drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com who thus proposed: > You may not like the vocal harmonies, that's a personal preference, but you > cannot deny they are musically great. > > But then, what the fuck do you know? You've already shown your ignorance.
Easy Killah! Down, Dino, Down Boy! You may offend someone :) After all, as trent's post demonstrated: it's not the pitch, it's the delivery...
Korg advises:
> So Trent thinks they aren't any good. He gave his reasons, no matter how absurd > you find them to be, respect them and move on.
Actually several posts later he did give his reasons and that post contained more substance. His initial post was, for the most part, just a "wind-up".
People aren't machines that aren't supposed to react at all when someone pushes buttons. It'd be nice in a perfect world if everyone just took it and sucked it up whenever anyone said anything no matter how it was said. There are actual thinking and feeling people on this list.
Now fuck off Korg! Go push buttons on your silly little Korgulator toy, while REAL men CREATE sound on the Kurzweil.... :) Have you installed the Casio UPGRADE filter on that thing yet? MUAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Calvin composed: > How can anyone NOT consider Genesis prog
"There must be some misunderstanding, wooooo hooooooooo wooooo woo (sp?), Must be some kinda mistake...."
:)
Mike told a story: > The older guy says, 'Which do you think is more effective, if I come in at > the beginning, play for six minutes and go out at the end, or if I come in > and out of the tune ten different times? I guarantee you'll take more > notice of my playing the more I come in and out'.
and then a damaged skull thought little of the implications of: > From: tomas.jutenfaldt@arrow.se > Hi! > > I will be on vacation during week 25 & 26, and will be back in business on > the 5th of july.
Kinda like this guy's vacation reminder? Has he EVER posted? :) If he's on vacation in the US and a fireworks WITH REPORT, penetrates his cranium, will his backup be there to remove this handy little reminder? :)
Regarding Jordan using analog sounds, I guess it proves no one reads my posts :) I asked him about it at the Berklee clinic and posted. This was many digests ago. If one is interested, feel free to go look it up or e-mail Jordan.
Jeremy: > He has talked about what he can do with the strip in clinics, and this > was one of the things he talked about.
Yeah, IIRC, at the Danvers clinic he said something like he could assign just about any parameter (or whatever word he used :) to the ribbon, using it to pan, or to control the rate of attack, the frequency, the brewing strength of the this morning's coffee, or whatever.
Brandon: > I'm just trying to make a point that to go down to just _one_ > keyboard means you have a keyboard that can do a LOT.
What's truly amazes me about Jordan is not as much the instrument, but more the fact that he uses hardly any looped samples. That shiz that sounds like the Kurz on auto-pilot iterating a Fast Fourier Tranform of a Gaussian elimination of the Julia set, is actually Jordan on auto-pilot :)
I haven't seen someone with such incredible independance in both hands in a LONG time! Keith Emerson and certain jazz players (Chick, McCoy) immediately come to mind and that's about it. Folks really need to see Jordan up close live and watch his hands while listening.
Major rambling reports for duty:
In a related story, I wish John Petrucci would *also* play brands other than Ibanez. NOT for the reason that I dislike Ibanez. Simply just for the variety of sounds. Remember seeing Yes live? Howe had at least a dozen axen up there! Similar to the Korg v. Kurz debate, why not both/all? :) Each has things the other lacks. Imagine JP wailing on a vintage Strat? OH YEAH!
Maybe it's an efficiency issue. They don't need multiple trucks to haul the equipment around. ELP was only a trio, but they had 3 18-wheelers to haul their warez around in when they were on tour. Carl Palmer's kit was huge and it was all one welded piece (probably so it'd hold together when then spun him upside down during his solo :). I watched the roadies unload the shiz. Took a fork lift to unload his rig
I seem to recall at the Hartford show (FII tour) seeing some strange looking axe offstage. Was that an Ibanez? Someone had mentioned that he wasn't getting the warm and fuzzy with the company anymore. The *story* I heard was that when he was tour, some piece (the bridge maybe?) on his axe broke, and the company was playing hardball when it came to getting it repaired. And this is for someone who endorses the product, too? They should have flown someone out immediately! Shit, I'd drop them like a bad habit!
C'mon, get real, John could make a Guild, Fender, Martin, Taylor, Les Paul, etc. + a $90K rack, sound sick! It's a bad carpenter who blames his tools...
J C: > As far as the arguement I am not sided one way or the other. However, you > come off like a fuckin' prick!
> Sad little person
Talk about a wind-up? This is gonna be good. This is what it's all about :))))
Christ^H [:)] wrote: > No, but you're certainly not supposed to make religious attacks on > this list. That happens to be on the list rules... but don't worry, we > all break rules.
I enjoyed the music they played in the church scene from the Blues Brothers. I think my favorite religious sounds has to be from that scene in Monty Python. You that part where they do the 'domi nos oh something requiem...." then bang themselves on the head with the books?
NP: Jaye Foucher - Infectious Licks
Regards, Jon
"The single-child yuppo-family that uses the child as a status object: `A perfect child? Of course! We have one here -- he's under the coffee table. Ralph, stand up! Play the violin!" -> Francis Zappa
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:25:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Oh my God - NDTC - N-ANYTHING Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990621142457.8905A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
Totally NDTC here, but I just couldn't believe it. I go away for a week and what do I find when I get back? More than *600* new messages in my Inbox. Man, this is gonna take FOREVER to get through.
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:33:06 EDT From: ShadowBor@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Re: A couple flaws in the Korg Trinity's design (NDTC) Message-ID: <f9d4ad8d.249fdf62@aol.com>
>> I have a friend that has had a Trinity for a couple of years and his >>joystick type thing knackered about 14 months after he bought it, anyone else >>had this happen, he does do a lot of work with the joystick doing bends and stuff, >>but basically it just wore out. >>I take it that Derek used two Trinity's cause of the sound changing >>delay problem? >> David C
Probably. The reason a lot of keyboardists use more than one synth (assuming it's not for looks) is not just because they want more sounds and don't know how to program them (necesarily), it's because of the sound changing thing. That really is the Trinity's biggest weakness (IMO). Sometimes you have to abruptly change sounds. Then you have to play this sound with one hand and that sound with the other. and then switch one hand to yet another sound while the other is still playing that first sound, and so on. Granted, you can split the keyboard, but if you have too many sounds you need at once to jump around on and you need atleast two or three octaves of each, then you can eventually hit a limit with one keyboard. It's easier to have two, maybe three. Plus, the polyphony issue. More keyboards/modules = more polyphony. Having extra modules can make for more layers on a sound. Besides, if you were endorsing Korg or someone and were offered extra keyboards for free or whatever, wouldn't you take them? Speaking of keyboards, does anyone know when the Triton is supposed to come out and what the approximate list price will be (Pro X)? It doesn't say on the Korg site.
Rock on Rob
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