YTSEJAM Digest 4925
Today's Topics:
1) Re: LTE II
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
2) Manring and Wooten
by Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
3) My final word.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
4) LTE2
by Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
5) Flaming Spock
by Jimbojorda@aol.com
6) yet another shameless self-promotional plea
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
7) Spock
by JamesAhab@aol.com
8) Re: Musings about Myung
by Jose Enrique Ralat Ballester <jralat@coqui.net>
9) money matters
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
10) Curry (NDTC)
by "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com>
11) Jesus Christ and the likes
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
12) Non-Musician DT fans
by William Cary Hall <wchall@email.unc.edu>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4924
by William Cary Hall <wchall@email.unc.edu>
14) Re: Spock
by trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
15) Re: Jordan's lead sounds
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:53:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: LTE II
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990621144929.8905B-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Tue, 15 Jun 1999, Rahul Ananda wrote:
> Well I picked up this little gem at midnight last night, and I must say
> that it makes the first LTE look like a quietly steaming heap of dung.
Okay, after reading only a FEW of my many posts that I've missed, I'm
already getting into the June 15th bunch, and to tell the truth, you guys
are all making me JEALOUS! I pre-ordered the CD, but it's being shipped
HOME, while I'm at a college for three months doing work. I don't know
when I'll be able to get it, unless my dad decides to forward my CDNow
mail to me.
> I LOVE the Chapman stick...it's unique melodic capabilities seem quite
> suited to the peculiar constraints of prog-rock and it really shines
> here. Tony has this ability to play the "right" thing all the time.
> I'd love to play with a bassist (stickist?) like him. I wish it were a
> little higher in the mix, though.
LTE question (the FIRST one) for any of you: Which tracks on the first LTE
did Levin use the stick on? I can't hear any major difference between the
tracks bass-wise, but I wasn't listening too hard, either. I just
couldn't figure it out. The reason I'm asking is that before I bought the
CD, I was trying to tell the drum teacher in my music department about LTE
because he had said that he liked the whole DT-prog thing, but he had a
problem with the "screaming" that KJLB did. I know, I know, I didn't
understand it, either. But I explained LTE to him and he liked the idea,
but asked me if Levin had done any stick-playing on it. I told him I
thought so, but when I listened to it, I couldn't figure out which ones he
did stick on.
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:04:32 +0200
From: Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Manring and Wooten
Message-ID: <376E8CC0.830596BD@siol.net>
>OK, you have my attention. Who is Michael Manring; what CDs has he played
>on; where can I sample his wares(!!)?
I've searched in dozens of music shops and no1 has ever heard of him, so
my guess would be that he's a ghost studio musician behind many famous
recordings. If you check out any Bass player magazine you'll find his
name
mentioned at least five times, usually in the same sentance with other
big
names. All I know is that he's a sort of experimenting bassist who plays
through alot of weird effects and uses many alternative tunnings.
Yeah, I know I'm not of helping here :) Anyone knows any site with audio
samples, do let us know :)
>Dave LaRue has been my God for the last few months (and IMHO one of the
>greatest bassists on the planet - See Dixie Dregs "Bring 'em Back Alive" if
>you need any evidence of that) but then someone recently mentioned Michael
>Manring in the same sentence as Victor Wooten (who is way, way beyond me -
>at least I can *begin* to tackle Dave LaRue stuff) and that scared me ...
LaRue rules, I really dig his clean slap sound, it's ULTRA clean and
dry.
I could never nail that sound, until I got Hughes & Kettnet bassBase600,
now it pops out in no time :) And I agree again, Wooten is THE greatest
bass cat that ever slapped a note. I have all the Flecktones albums and
CDNOW package with three of his solo albums and two projects should be
here any day now. HELL YEA! :) Anyone has any tabs of his bass lines?
I don't even attempt to figure out most of his lines :)
Matej
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 13:22:20 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: My final word.
Message-ID: <199906211930.MAA12274@knight.axnet.net>
> People aren't machines that aren't supposed to react at all
Yah, but what amazes me is the collective/selective thinking that revolves
around this list. I think the >only< thing that should be assumed on this
list is that everyone here likes Dream Theater. Obviously, there are many
people who think otherwise. People take it so damned offensively when
someone bashes a band or idea that they like. That's their right, but they
have >no< right to call that person a fuckhead or asshole or whatever the
hell just because his ideas differ from theirs. Sometimes I wonder if this
could ever be a cultivated mailing list somewhere where people have a sense
of humor, can speak their mind, and people will respect each other's
opinions. I had hope for it about a month ago after the mystery shutdown,
but it only took a few weeks and it turned to crap again. *shakes head*
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:34:30 -0500 From: Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: LTE2 Message-ID: <63E392974AF3D211A88600104B93BD8B02D7D7@bham-xchg>
Hey,
]From: NuGgeTMaN >I just had to take a second to completely rant about the band Virgos >Merlot...
<snip>
Ok, I believe I saw this band at City Stages this weekend, and yes, they were very good indeed, the other band I enjoyed (just from a good live act point of view) was the Verve Pipe. Now onto the subject line...LTE2.
I received my copy on Friday...I have listened to it...it rocks my world to it's foundations...I am a happy punter (there's that word again). I really like the production, yeah Kevin Shirly has impressed me again, and Mike, that "Piccolo sound" snare is very nice, I'm striving towards that "chink" sound on my DTX, nearly there... JP is on fire, he seems well up in the mix and appears to be dabbling in some weird noises which works very well. (Who shot) JR is amazing, some of the stuff he does with JP is fantastic, I'm no keyboardist so I'm not gonna get into a "patch sound" argument, but what I hear really works for me and if this is any indication towards DT99, my pants have already been shat (hmm...too graphic...?).
I hear Deep Purple, Genesis, some strange ambient, almost Gong-like stuff, Pink Floyd, Thrash and all the rest, I've seen the future, the future is Jordan...I thank you....
Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama).
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:37:41 EDT From: Jimbojorda@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Flaming Spock Message-ID: <d921f590.249ffc95@aol.com>
<< I don't care if you hate Spock's Beard. I can't for the life of me figure out how you could, but that's your business. There's lots of stuff that people around here are into that I think is garbage, the difference being, I IGNORE IT AND KEEP QUIET. If you're on a list where you KNOW that a large portion of the population are into something, why would you say, in effect, 'this stuff is total shit'? To win some kind of popularity award? Yeah, yeah, dissenting opinion...yada, yada.>>
I for one appreciated Trent's openness. When a new prog album comes out, there are usually lots of reviews/opinions posted on the Jam, but they are almost always ultra-positive. There are dozens of albums that I have heard are "incredible" and "must-have," according to this list, so I can never decide what to buy! I wish that there were MORE "dissenting opinions" posted here. Personally I love Spock's Beard and recommend all of their albums highly, but I think Trent's comments might be helpful to anyone averse to vocal harmonies or non-metal progrock.
<<Oh, and one more thing - and here I'm siding up with Lisa Marie bigtime - if you can actually use a computer, there IS NO EXCUSE for you to buy something like Spock's Beard without hearing a ton of it first. You can, of course, choose to ignore the flood of .MP3s out there and purchase it blindly, but if you do and find you've pissed away $15... >>
Excellent point. Trent should have checked out the MP3's before buying. When people post glowing recommendations of bands in the future, could they try to post a link to a site with MP3's, if they know of any?? (Yeah I know SB MP3's are easy to find, but with some other bands it's quite a pain to locate them) That would really help people decide what to purchase, for those of us on limited budgets :) ------- NP: Steve Boothby -- The Radio At Night
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:48:31 PDT From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: yet another shameless self-promotional plea Message-ID: <19990621204831.6707.qmail@hotmail.com>
>I just had to take a second to completely rant about the band Virgos >Merlot
i reviewed their disc, too, so for an idea of what Virgos Merlot sounds like......
http://www.amzmusiczine.com/06_99/newrel22zb.shtml
and as always (well, it would be always if anyone ever helped me out on this plea) tell me what you thought of the review (privately, of course).....trying to improve my writing/reviewing style....is self-improvement such an evil thing? :)
partha
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:48:22 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Spock Message-ID: <62a14102.249fff16@aol.com>
>< And I'm sorry it did. This could be the worst CD I've ever heard in my entire life. Seriously, I was listening to it and all the vocal harmony and stuff make it sound like a Christian music CD. Bleh. ><
I hope you weren't thinking of TSO when you wrote that.
>< The biggest problem with this SB argument is that the anti-SB faction is way out-arguing the pro's. I think it's funny. Whereas the anti's are offering legitimate supportive arguments to their cases, the pro's are pretty much all spouting, "You're wrong! You're all so wrong!" "Respect my authoritye!" *whack in knee with nightstick* *garotte with a bass E-string* ><
Talk about exaggerating. Two people flamed Trent for not liking SB. The rest of them said, "Give them another chance." or "Listen to some MP3s." Two assholes do not represent the entire Spock's Beard-liking population on the ytsejam.
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Date: 21 Jun 99 17:45:58 -0400 From: Jose Enrique Ralat Ballester <jralat@coqui.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Musings about Myung Message-ID: <199906211655.QAA01349@piro.coqui.net>
Hey jammers,
I must agree with Matt. If you listen closely to DT songs you hear how brilliant Myung's work is. DT IS A BAND. That's why you don't hear Myung soloing all the time. His greatness lies in the ability he has to be as one with the drums and lay the foundation of a song. As a Bass player, I can say that anybody can have speed, hell even I can play fast, but it takes a lot of work and practice to master the grooves and low end playing, which Myung does great. Take Flea from The Chilli Peppers, he's a kick ass player and some of his best work (if not his best) is from the album blood sugar sex magic in which he matured from the flashy all over the place playing to the low end, bass up your ass, punched up, great bass lines you hear.
Myung solo's in the songs, he does tapping, he does harmonics, he plays chords and is extremely fast. To think that he is the least that has improved is probably due to the fact that you don't listen close enough to the bass lines, because I personally think that Myung's bass lines give some sense and body to DT's songs.
I think Myung is one of the best out there because of the whole package. He shouldn't be compared with bass soloists until he comes out with a solo instrumental CD, which I would love. Anyway, what I saw and heard from the instructional video proves to me what an incredible abilities he has and what speed and Feeling he has. He is my favorite player.
later jammers
Jose
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:04:22 PDT From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: money matters Message-ID: <19990621210422.51074.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Oh, and one more thing - and here I'm siding up with Lisa Marie >bigtime - >if you can actually use a computer, there IS NO EXCUSE for >you to buy >something like Spock's Beard without hearing a ton of it >first. You can, >of course, choose to ignore the flood of .MP3s out >there and purchase it >blindly, but if you do and find you've pissed >away $15...
if someone's got $15 bucks to piss away (what's that, about 30 liters of Mountain Dew?), then maybe that person has no excuse for not sampling music (using the logic that $15 of piss probably means they have enough cash for $1500 bucks of totally hooked up computer system)
but what of those with shitty old computers, that can't handle MP3's? /me raises a hand and of those too financially challenged to buy said hooked-up computer /me again and of those who have a little "faith in the goodness of humanity?" /me points to Neil Peart
(that last in terms of trusting people of like tastes to steer them in correct musical directions)
just knowing how to use a computer ain't no frickin' guarantor of success in the field of picking music.......
partha
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:02:25 +0100 From: "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com> To: "'Charlie_Farrell@email.msn.com'" <Charlie_Farrell@email.msn.com>, Subject: Curry (NDTC) Message-ID: <83E9BD6E053FD111B35A0000F6093E2701A5BF1B@LON01XBCAPGE>
Charlie wrote:
> From: "Dreamgirl" <dreamgirl@dreamtheater.zzn.com <mailto:dreamgirl@dreamtheater.zzn.com> > > To: ytsejam@axnet.net <mailto:ytsejam@axnet.net> > Subject: Aloo There!!
> Vindaloo is just about the hottest curry dish you can get - > avoid if you have never tried curry!!!
You surprise me! Most Brits - or at least those who have been students, would have gone one step further after too many beers and been brave enough to try a Phal. The order of 'hotness' in Manchester curry houses, going from the mildest to the hottest used to be
* korma (only for wimps) * madras (respectably hot) * vindaloo (bloody hot) and * phal (Arrggh I think I'm burning inside)
-oOo-
Amen brother Charlie!!
Vindaloo is my normal; Phal I have shared once with someone who cheated, because he knew which were the parts of your mouth which burn less. There was a ten second period where I thought I was going to die.
Have you ever seen the 'Goodness gracious me' spoof where the Indian guys 'go out for an English' and ask for 'the blandest thing you have'. Pretty damn hilarious.
Jonathan
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:02:43 -0700 From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Jesus Christ and the likes Message-ID: <376EB683.C2A62753@ucla.edu>
J C <outlander28@hotmail.com> pulled this out of his arse:
> you most certainly are being a FUCKIN' dick....you > come off like a fuckin' prick! > I would use my extensive vocabulary but it would be a waste of time as this > individual would be lost. > > BE NICE ASSHOLE! :>
It must be nice to be so much better than all of us. By the way, is the "J C" for Jesus Christ?
Re: the Christian music.. I'm something of a unfortunate afficianado in this area. I know that there are at least two distinctive types of Xian music: the heavy stuff and the poppy stuff. I don't mind the heavy stuff. I just don't pay attention to the lyrics. However, I pretty much despise the poppy stuff. It sounds like your average *n Sync type refuse, except the lyrics are about praising God and lifting your eyes up to Him, etc. I lived with a really Christian (albeit totally hypocritical) chick this year, and all she ever played was Xian music.
~~Amanda
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:31:39 -0400 From: William Cary Hall <wchall@email.unc.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Non-Musician DT fans Message-ID: <376EBD4B.10C369D4@email.unc.edu>
--- "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au> wrote: > I've been interested to see the number of people > who are into Dream Theater but who don't play an > instrument. Being a guitar player myself, I got > into them through hearing about JP, but I > was > thinking it must have been 'hard' for those people > who don't play an instrument to really > appreciate > them. Unless you know lots of musicians or > something. Just a thought.
It was hard. DT had received much praise (and criticism for being quote: "soulless Rush knockoffs") on the National Midnight Star, and I picked up Awake out of curiosity. Instantly hated the drum intro to 6:00, and those keys were so damn annoying. I had Awake for nearly a year, and FII for 7 or 8 months, before it finally caught on when I picked up ACOS through a CD club. The covers on ACOS got me listening to the whole disc. Ironically, Awake was the first DT disc I owned, and the last one that I got into. And it's my fav now, but it took blind faith to get FII and ACOS in hopes of finding something that was more easily digestible.
William Hall wchall@email.unc.edu ICQ# 6956498 http://www.unc.edu/~wchall
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:40:54 -0400 From: William Cary Hall <wchall@email.unc.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4924 Message-ID: <376EBF76.1421383A@email.unc.edu>
> Mike Patrick wrote:
>>>If you're on a list where you KNOW that a large portion of the population are into something, why would you say, in effect, 'this stuff is total shit'? To win some kind of popularity award?>>>
Mike, as much as I like the Beard and disagree with the semi-apparent anti-Christian overtone in Trent's post, he did explicitly say that he posted to show that Spock's Beard isn't for everyone. What he posted was, in a sense, a review of his purchase, and it can be considered a service to others (or a dis-service, depending on your viewpoint). I say we just drop the whole thing, as its apparent neither side will budge while we're all riled up about it.
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:33:07 -0700 (PDT) From: trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Spock Message-ID: <19990621233307.22791.rocketmail@web507.yahoomail.com>
--- JamesAhab@aol.com wrote: > Talk about exaggerating. Two people flamed Trent for > not liking SB. The rest > of them said, "Give them another chance." or "Listen > to some MP3s." Two > assholes do not represent the entire Spock's > Beard-liking population on the > ytsejam.
Will you let it go? You're making a bigger deal out of this than anyone else. I'm sure you and your SB-lovin' buddies must've crapped your pants when you saw my post. "Oh no! Someone *dares* to not like Spock's! Let's all harass him thru e-mail, he'll join our cult" or some shit like that. This isn't the big deal you're making it out to be. Forget about it. === *Trent
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:57:37 -0400 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Jordan's lead sounds Message-ID: <4.1.19990621195004.009c28b0@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
OK, let me throw my two cents into this mix. I know I have already waited too long, but you had to know my response was coming sooner or later.
I have used everything from Ensoniq, (SQ1, TS10), to Korg (05rw, played with trinity instore), Alesis, (s4 plus), and Roland (xp50, xp80, vk7). I have also used an old Kurzweil k1000se, and I have an Oberheim OBXA in a case in my garage, (no room to use it in my roland only gear at the moment.) Currently, I use the vk7 and xp80. I have played with the k2500 and it just leaves me flat. I have been told that you really do need to program that thing to get to its true potential, but since I can't see to use the screen, that is out, on any gear I use. The fact that Jordan can do everything he needs to do on one keyboard speaks volumes of his ability. However, I can't help but think of how dangerous he would be if he used mkore than one. I often find myself wishing that he would lay off that lead sound of his just a little bit, even though I loved it when I first heard it. However, that is his signature sound. You have to remember also, that back when Banks and Wakeman were hauling half a music store on tour, the keyboards were far more limitted in what they could do. On a typical Yes tour, Wakeman was hauling a Hammond organ, real melotron, piano, electric piano and at least three synths. That is because you didn't have sampling, or much polyphony or even built in dsp or effects at the time, and the equipment was unreliable, always going out of tune and needing service. look at ELP's keyboard setup. With the advent of the technology, we have the ability to condense, but at the same time, we still drag gear around. Midid has made things easier to use only two or three boards at a time, now we drag this kind of gear for sound variety, or because it just looks so damn cool. If I was able to program all the sounds I needed intot he xp80, it would be much better, but I can't. I use stock sounds or sounds I download from the Internet. The VK7 simply simulates the Hammond B3, and I like that idea, plus it gives me the drawbars for real-time control. The Oberheim keyboad is pure analog hell. Nothing will ever replace that in the current crop of sample-based keyboards, even the Kurzweil would have to give way to the analog original. BTW, to the guy who wants melotron sounds, there are tons of cd-rom sample collections of them, and if all else fails, pick up a jv1080, (rack version of the xp50) with the Keyboards of the 60s/70s board or the vintage collection board and you've got melotrons. That is all. At 10:48 AM 6/21/99 , you wrote: > > >Simple task for you, then. Play the LitS intro without sampling > >Derek. Play the "attack of the electronic elephant" sound in the > middle > >of ACoS without sampling Derek. Play through any song on Planet X with > >your Kurzweil. :) Give me a break. > > You can do it on a Kurzweil. But the thing is, that you can't pull it > up as some preset (which I imagine most of Derek's unique sounds came > from). You would have to do some programming on a Kurzweil and then > save it as a preset, but you can do it. The Kurzweil is geared toward > all around playability. Take a Korg to the Steinway to Heaven project > and see how long it lasts. Try to be a 2 member band (like R&M) with > _one_ keyboard and see how much it holds up. > > I think I could program just about any of Derek's stuff on my Kurzweil, > but like I mentioned earlier, I don't really like his sounds all that > much. I would rather be going for a Tony Banks sound or maybe Kevin > Moore. > > So far, I've only ever seen Jordan play on one keyboard. I look at > Derek and Kevin . . . stacks of keyboards. Of course, I do like the > look of stacks of keyboards . . . definitely more "prog" looking. But > imagine if you told Kevin or Derek, you can only play on the Roland or > Korg tonight. Nothing else. I'm not sure if they could pull off every > song with just that. Maybe they could. Again, that is not bad. My > favorite keyboard players (Wakeman and Banks) always had multiple keys > set up. I'm just trying to make a point that to go down to just _one_ > keyboard means you have a keyboard that can do a LOT. > > Does that mean that there is no value in anything other than Kurzweil? > No. That would be like saying to stop making a Roland Jazz amp just > because the Mesa can do such heavier distortion, or because a lot of the > digital amps do decent (not great) jobs recreating it. I have an ARP > Pro that nothing seems to hold a candle to for lead sounds. I could > program something like it in my Kurzweil, but it takes a lot of time and > knowledge to do stuff like that. Much easier to just use it instead. > > Similar to the MesaBoogie TriAxis. That is such an incredible piece > that Petrucci can get most of his sounds from. Lots of prog guitarists > have 2-4 different amps on stage to get certain sounds. Petrucci can > use that _one_ gear to get all his sounds. Truly an incredible piece. > But imagine Alex Lifeson playing nothing but out of a TriAxis. Weird. > Again . . . playing preference and style. > > You disagreed with me about my comparison of Moore with Jordan. I was > not talking of a clone or anything. They are definitely different. But > I do think that _some_ (not all) of their sounds are similar. There are > some lead sounds of Jordan that I think are very similar to Kevin's > (that sick "violiny" sound you referred to earlier). Now, Jordan's > percussive type lead sound is definitely not like Kevin. > > And another thing I think they are similar in is that even though some > of their presets sound similar to a guitar, you can still tell they are > keyboards. One of things I didn't like about Derek's sound was that at > times I couldn't tell if it was Petrucci. There is only one Petrucci, > thank you very much. Please don't compete against him or cover him up > or pretend to be him. And the interplay between Petrucci and the > keyboard went to almost nothing with Derek. Again, another similarity > between Kevin and Jordan. > > So my whole point is that every keyboard has something unique about it. > Kurzweil's strengths lie in its piano, strings, and other instruments. > But inside this machine is a powerful analog recreating instrument. > Listen to some of the live albums of Pink Floyd in the past years. They > use mostly Kurzweil now. A lot of the unique things (like you mentioned > about Derek) probably couldn't have been done on other things as easily > as a Kurzweil. But it took programming. Thus, the reason why it is > nice to have Korg and Roland stuff. Great sounds available right away. > But geared for a certain market. > > It takes some work. And in our "McDonald's" generation, we would rather > go for instant presets than build our own. Thus the need for such great > instruments from Korg. > > My ideal setup would be a K2500X, 2 Mellotrons, Hammond B3 with Leslie, > MiniMoog, Arp Pro, Taurus I bass pedals, Korg Trinity, and some Roland > keyboards. I have nothing against using other keyboards. I value their > strengths, but at the same time I realize that I can do most things > (except for possibly the Mellotron) on a K2500 (ok, call me lazy . . . > who doesn't like a little fast food now and then? Hmmm?!!). Oh, and > then add all of Petrucci's rack in too. Man, I wish I had a $100,000. > > To each his own I guess . . . > > About Petrucci: > I thought I saw an Eventide on the inside back of LTE2. I'm pretty sure > that was it. Not too many 2 rack-spaced units with big displays and > wheel out there. Of course, he could have gone with a DigiTech :) My > point with Vai . . . yeah, you are right, Vai has always sounded like > Vai. But you listen to Flexible versus post-Eventide, and you can't > tell me you can't hear a difference. For one, the layered lead sounds? > Or the weird etudes. > > I think Petrucci has a Whammy pedal too now. I head some weird octave > stuff he was doing on LTE2. It could be the Eventide, but I'm not sure > if it does stuff like that in real time. I'm not sure, though. > > The whole point of a harmonizer though is to sound layered. To sound > like more than 1 guitarist. So, sure it will still sound like Petrucci. > But then again, it is going to bring stuff out that we have never heard > from him (like with Vai). So get ready for some change in sound if he > has switched over.
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