YTSEJAM Digest 4926
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Spock
by JamesAhab@aol.com
2) blah
by Isaac Trumbo <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
3) Speaking of the Stick....
by "Mike Patrick" <mvpatrick@home.com>
4) Re: Spock
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
5) odds & ends
by ETebo323@aol.com
6) Christian Rock that kicks Satan's ass.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4923
by Michael Pontrelli <ponte@epix.net>
8) Manring
by "=?iso-8859-1?Q?M=E1rio_Del_Nunzio?=" <malmsteen@sti.com.br>
9) Re: Christian Rock that kicks Satan's ass.
by "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
10) Re: Spock
by trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
11) Re: blah
by trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
12) A few things
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
13) Manring Site
by "Nicholas Giannotti" <nickg@gis.net>
14) my ytse-influenced music
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:09:57 EDT
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Spock
Message-ID: <2ed62e84.24a02e55@aol.com>
>< Will you let it go? You're making a bigger deal out of this than anyone
else. I'm sure you and your SB-lovin' buddies must've crapped your pants
when you saw my post. "Oh no! Someone *dares* to not like Spock's! Let's
all harass him thru e-mail, he'll join our cult" or some shit like that.
This isn't the big deal you're making it out to be. Forget about it. ><
me?? that was only the second thing i said on the subject.
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:00:51 GMT
From: Isaac Trumbo <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: blah
Message-ID: <19990622010053.10741.qmail@hotmail.com>
i agree.. images and words was a great first album..
another great first album is When Dream And Day Unite.. I forget what the
band's name is, but i know that album kicks ass, and i remember then doing
great Zeppelin covers too.. oh well
ok. .tounge in cheek aside
i realize that trent wasn't slamming I&W, but images and words wasn't just
"good".. I&W is a progressive cornerstone.. i think it's safe to say that it
transends "a good 'first :)' album" status..
and a side note.. ACoS was originally writen in '89 along with Met.1 and was
intended to be on I&W..
inferno
NP: Iggy Pop - When Dream And Day Unite (his first album)
>Uh, I play the baseball bat. Heh heh, no, I got into
>DT b/c a friend of mine who's also into Zep (I'm a big
>Ledhead) gave me a glowing recommendation of the Zep
>covers on ACOS. My brother had I&W in his room, so I
>could listen to that to kinda get used to how the band
>sounded (as you might know, I&W was good, but ACOS the
>song was at least as good if not better). So anyway,
>I took the CD home, listened to the covers a few
>times, and was impressed. DT are one of the few bands
>to do a Zeppelin-cover right. Anyway, I was impressed
>with ACOS as a song and a CD and I&W was a pretty good
>album, for a first album and everything. Hm. So
>there ya go. I don't play an instrument, but I am a
>DT fan. There's one for ya.
>===
*Trent
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:26:16 -0400
From: "Mike Patrick" <mvpatrick@home.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Speaking of the Stick....
Message-ID: <000701bebc45$d7a78d40$6da20418@CT466024-A.nblvil1.in.home.com>
Since there's been a fair amount of Stick talk here lately, I thought I'd
remind everyone of Bob Culbertson's fantastic Stick site:
There's a 'Sights and Sounds' section, but there's also a 'How the Stick
works...' link that has links to the REALLY impressive clips. BTW, neither
Levin, Malone, or Myung can REALLY play the thing. All the proof you'll
need of that last statement is a listen to Culberson's version of either
'Funeral for a Friend' or 'On Green Dolphin Street'.
Mike
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:16:58 -0400
From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Spock
Message-ID: <4.1.19990621220703.0091b1e0@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Trent, in full voice:
>Will you let it go? You're making a bigger deal out
>of this than anyone else. I'm sure you and your
>SB-lovin' buddies must've crapped your pants when you
>saw my post. "Oh no! Someone *dares* to not like
>Spock's! Let's all harass him thru e-mail, he'll join
>our cult" or some shit like that. This isn't the big
>deal you're making it out to be. Forget about it.
This from the guy who has adamantly refused, thus far, to let anyone else
but himself have the last word in any arguments that he started. If you
want us to forget about it, then why not follow your own advice and "let it
go" yourself?
We get the idea. You don't like Spock's. Fine. Now get the idea from us:
some of us DO like Spock's. Most of us (me included) are perfectly willing
to let you NOT like Spock's (since you seem dead set on that course), while
other folk have simply offered suggestions on trying some OTHER bits of
Spock's in an effort to broaden your listening experience. You are free to
ignore them or follow them as the mood takes you. Now quit slamming the
rest of these folk for sticking up for themselves. They let you have your
say; let them have theirs.
Wasn't it you that was bitching about not being allowed to have your say,
simply because it was a dissenting opinion? And yet you slam James here,
just because his opinion differs from yours. Hypocrite.
cheers,
Phil
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Phil Carter -- phil@usefulware.com
Official Glass Hammer website: http://www.glasshammer.com/
"Music expresses that which can not be said and on which it is impossible
to be silent."
-- Victor Hugo
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:32:08 EDT
From: ETebo323@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: odds & ends
Message-ID: <15f4f782.24a04fa8@aol.com>
does anyone notice how smooth Petrucci's whammy pedal is? I have the
Digitech Whammy II and it is nowhere as smooth as Petrucci's. It has to be
the Eventide or the Lexicon Mpx G2, which by the way, replaced the Mpx-1, pcm
70 and 80 he had in his huge racks. I think he's using the eventide to
replace the TC 2290, for delays and chorus.
If you guys think all Christian rock is full of harmonies like Southern
gospel, or Catholic mass stuff, well I have some records that would shock
you. there is this band called Living sacrifice. they sound like Pantera,
only heavier and faster. The singer is even harder to understand... there
are other heavy bands like focal point, travail, dear emphasis, and there are
others that they play at my youth group... yep my youth group.
Ok enough from me
Lata
T
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:00:28 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Christian Rock that kicks Satan's ass.
Message-ID: <001201bebc5b$63765da0$5f0d84d0@korgx3>
>If you guys think all Christian rock is full of harmonies like Southern
>gospel, or Catholic mass stuff, well I have some records that would shock
>you. there is this band called Living sacrifice. they sound like Pantera,
Well, I have to admit that I >do< like Savior Machine. Next to a few odds
and ends songs in my collection, they're the only full-fledged Christian
band I really have been able to listen to. I suppose Christian music as a
whole shouldn't be the idea of what I don't like, but hymnals themselves...
Anyway, if we mention the word Christian anymore on this list, I'm afraid
Michael Coghlan will return, so let's stop right here. :)
Dan (The Cow God) also recommended Tourniquette as well. I'll have to check
them out, too. :)
Anywho, Choose The Right, wear your Yalmulka, or whatever. :)
-- KorgX3 says, "Have a great day, whatever you are!" NP: Nothing. I've been on a silence kick lately.------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:59:05 -0400 From: Michael Pontrelli <ponte@epix.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4923 Message-ID: <376EFBF9.74CD4519@epix.net>
Someone wrote
>(I know them, so I'm kinda biased) Big Wreck, Fuel, or any of those >kinda bands...heavy with good vocals, but not proggy...you've GOT to >check these guys out! They have a few sound samples at their site >virgosmerlot.com along with plenty of pics and stuff...which brings me >to another point...the look and the music TOTALLY clash...which makes >this band even more fun! Check em out!!!
Just thought the fuel comment was interesting.. for years they were just a local bar band here.. could see them every fri and sat night at the local club.. now they only come back once every 6 months.. strange how some bands become big so fast...
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:30:26 -0300 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?M=E1rio_Del_Nunzio?=" <malmsteen@sti.com.br> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Manring Message-ID: <000401bebc5f$94f2aec0$6415d3c8@default>
>>OK, you have my attention. Who is Michael Manring; what CDs has he played >>on; where can I sample his wares(!!)?
He has 5 solo albums. Recently he played here in Brazil, a solo bass concert. It was very interesting... And after he made a jam with Brazilian bassist Celio Barros, a very experimenting bassist... He played with Alex Skolnick in Skol Patrol and recorded with many other people...
>Yeah, I know I'm not of helping here :) Anyone knows any site with audio >samples, do let us know :)
http://www.manthing.com/ - His official site.
Mario
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:26:58 -0400 From: "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Christian Rock that kicks Satan's ass. Message-ID: <002101bebc5f$192c4800$34ca88cf@guest3382>
A friend of mine dragged me to a Xian rock festival in Stephentown, NY a few years back. Honestly, I hated most of it, but Innocent Blood blew me away. It was really heavy. I thought it kind of funny: a bunch of die-hard Christians headbanging, moshing, and yes, a few were even doing the Hail-Satan two fingers up sign... must've had no clue what it means...
Josh Calkin: URL: http://members.tripod.com/~DarkHarmony E-Mail: darkharmony13@hotmail.com j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu ICQ: 22473371 AOL IM: Mortua ----- Original Message ----- ]From: Korg Ecksthrey <korgx3@safelink.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 11:07 PM Subject: Christian Rock that kicks Satan's ass.
> > >If you guys think all Christian rock is full of harmonies like Southern > >gospel, or Catholic mass stuff, well I have some records that would shock > >you. there is this band called Living sacrifice. they sound like Pantera, > > Well, I have to admit that I >do< like Savior Machine. Next to a few odds > and ends songs in my collection, they're the only full-fledged Christian > band I really have been able to listen to. I suppose Christian music as a > whole shouldn't be the idea of what I don't like, but hymnals themselves... > Anyway, if we mention the word Christian anymore on this list, I'm afraid > Michael Coghlan will return, so let's stop right here. :) > Dan (The Cow God) also recommended Tourniquette as well. I'll have to check > them out, too. :) > > Anywho, Choose The Right, wear your Yalmulka, or whatever. :) > -- > KorgX3 says, "Have a great day, whatever you are!" > NP: Nothing. I've been on a silence kick lately.
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:49:24 -0700 (PDT) From: trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Spock Message-ID: <19990622034924.22383.rocketmail@web507.yahoomail.com>
--- Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com> wrote: > > This from the guy who has adamantly refused, thus > far, to let anyone else > but himself have the last word in any arguments that > he started. <<massive snip from a needlessly big post>>
Okay, my final word on this subject that I'm sorry I started is thus-- how many people does it take to breathe down my neck? Do you have any idea how many people e-mailed me privately to tell me I suck b/c I don't like SB? I'm sick of people pissing on this small thing of mine. There's a difference between someone telling me to shut up b/c they don't want me to openly disaprove of SB and fifty gamillion people jumping down my throat and me telling them to back off. If this is a problem for you, send me an e-mail and remind me to give a fuck. :o)
NP- The Beatles: Revolver === *Trent
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:59:25 -0700 (PDT) From: trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: blah Message-ID: <19990622035925.23823.rocketmail@web503.yahoomail.com>
--- Isaac proclaimed wrote: > > i agree.. images and words was a great first album.. > another great first album is When Dream And Day > Unite.. I forget what the > band's name is, but i know that album kicks ass, and > i remember then doing > great Zeppelin covers too.. oh well
Okay, I get your point. I&W wasn't the first album, but it was the first major release. So in a way, we're both right... but only b/c I refuse to admit I'm wrong. :o) > ok. .tounge in cheek aside > i realize that trent wasn't slamming I&W, but images > and words wasn't just > "good".. I&W is a progressive cornerstone.. i think > it's safe to say that it > transends "a good 'first :)' album" status..
Yup, it's great, but in my mind it just doesn't compare to 'Awake' or ACOS. I could play 'Awake' a thousand times and love it more each time. Great songs, great playing, great singing, great lyrics, great everything. IMHO, it's DT's best album.
> and a side note.. ACoS was originally writen in '89 > along with Met.1 and was > intended to be on I&W..
I already knew that, but I still find that factoid to be cool everytime I hear it. Thanks for the reminder. === *Trent
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:15:34 -0500 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: A few things Message-ID: <004a01bebc65$e131ab00$87bbfea9@madstation>
> From: J C <outlander28@hotmail.com>
What's really cool about this post is that you said nothing, made no point and just threw insults at me. See I like you, because that makes you an easy target. You're a dude who comes brand new to the jam and tells us all that we should play by different rules and that we should be nice... and then you decide that no such rules apply to you. You're building up quite a following.
> If you don't like people using "logic" in an argument against you, > then you should probably just not argue, man. > > As far as the arguement I am not sided one way or the other. However, you > come off like a fuckin' prick!
This doesn't seem to make any sense. At least not as a rebuttal to what you quoted. If you have no side in an argument, you shouldn't be speaking. But in that there was no argument and no side to take, you seem to be saying that you don't ever have a side in an argument. And my "fuckin' prick" doesn't come off. You might want to get yours checked out by a doctor.
> PS Sorry for the expletives---but I have to curse sometimes due to the fact > that certain individuals will not get the message otherwise.
Hahaha so instead, you curse and give NO message, so that there's no message to get! And then we're all supposed to sit around and figure out what the message is, which would clearly take years for my brain to accomplish since I'm quite obviously your inferior! Brilliant plan!
> I would use my extensive vocabulary but it would be a waste of time as this > individual would be lost.
HIGHLY improbable. :) If you have such an extensive vocabulary, you might want to spell check it a bit.
> From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> > Subject: Man, I'm starting to hate Spock's Beard now.
> So what is the point you're trying to get across, Chris? Spock's isn't good > enough for God?
Yea, and Ye shall burn! For he who dost deliver Spock's Beard to the Lord your God will be throttled to the eyes ears and throat through all eternity! (I know, if there's anyone I can't hope to compete with in this pseudo bible-speak it's you, solo Korgola!)
> him, but I can understand Trent's statement. I didn't read it as a slag to > Christian music (even though I do the same all the time). He explicitly > mentioned the >vocals< made it remind him of Christian music.
Then the Christian music I've heard has all been totally lame, because I have NEVER heard Christian music like Spock's Beard. I would compare their VOCAL harmonies at times to the Dead, at times to the Beatles, and most of all. to Yes.
> It's the same > as any person hearing an accordian in a song and going "That sounds Jewish,"
That's ignorant to say, though. First off, that can legitimately be made to sound as a derogatory comment, by saying "Man this song sounds Jewish." an a particular tone of voice. That's what I thought it was intended as in the dude's post. I have been wrong before and may well be now. Also, is the accordian a traditional Jewish instrument? I hear it much more in Italian and Latin music.
> dunno how much Christian music Chris has actually heard,
A lot. I teach guitar at a store just outside of the most religious suburb of Chicago. :)
> initial post, I fail to see where it was. As far as a bash at DT, you are > simply broadening the subject in an attempt to gather more people to support > your viewpoint, which is completely unrelated to the original discussion and > a fallicy in itself.
This, however is another patent attempt by Korg, right on schedule, to find something with which to prove me wrong, and is indeed a fallacy or misinterpretation in and of itself. My point, Korg, was not to rally support, but to point out that music having Christian tendencies shouldn't be a problem to this gentleman, as he is OBVIOUSLY a fan of DT, a band which has Christian tendencies. The reason it was brought up is that it is impossible to defend such a statement about one band, when it isn't a problem with another band that the person listens to. This is one of the "logical fallacies"... I forget which.
> The biggest problem with this SB argument is that the anti-SB faction is way > out-arguing the pro's. I think it's funny. Whereas the anti's are offering > legitimate supportive arguments to their cases, the pro's are pretty much > all spouting, "You're wrong! You're all so wrong!" "Respect my > authoritye!" *whack in knee with nightstick* *garotte with a bass E-string*
I would love to see you present evidence for this. You certainly won't find me there. I have a LOT of friends who like prog and hate Spock's. I don't have a problem with other people's opinions. I have a problem with other people making what I feel are irresponsible remarks, and making statements which they are unable to back up (the former being what I felt Trent did, and the latter being what I think you've done). No ill will meant, but I do think that I have a right to respond to this type of thing without being told that I'm some kind of fanatic who can't accept criticism of my "favorite band." I am probably only that kind of fanatic when someone knocks Jason Becker... maybe Ron Thal. In any case, I do apologize to Trent for being so overly vitriolic. I am sure that it was a reaction to seeing a similarly flame like response that Trent sent to the original attacker, as well as it being 4 AM when I wrote. I could have made my point without being so insulting.
Chris Ptacek - someone@prognosis.com "Everything that can be invented has been invented." -- Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899.
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:11:50 -0400 From: "Nicholas Giannotti" <nickg@gis.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Manring Site Message-ID: <001401bebc65$5ae309e0$2b1f29d8@nickg>
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:35:49 -0400 From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: my ytse-influenced music Message-ID: <376F12A5.68DDC69A@bigfoot.com>
>When people post glowing recommendations of bands in the future, could they try to >post a link to a site with MP3's, if they know of any??
Back when those weren't popular yet, I had to use faith when going by jammer suggestions. As a result of those faith picks, I am now a big fan of Fates Warning and Savatage. First Sav - I got DWD, and based on that, got Chance. and that was that. Now I have everything after gutter ballet. As for Fates, I got the greatest hits album, and then apsog, specifically because of the hype it got here. I didn't think it was THAT great, but I also got the recent double CD, which rocks me like a hurricane.
Unfortunately, I also got a King's X CD, their greatest hits one, based on jammer enthusiasm for these guys. I was dissapointed, and hardly listen to the album, EXCEPT for one of the unreleased tracks - Over My Head - which I think must be from a different band or something, because that song is wicked good.
The funny thing is I would never have gotten any of these if not for seeing the ytse-plug in the ACOS liner and then joining up. so I guess ACOS is responsible for my purchasing all this other music. And since that album was a result of ytse-influence, well, that means that the ytsejam was changing the tracks of my timeline before I even knew what was going on. And for that matter, when Mike-o wrote the thing, he was effectively turning me into a huge savatage fan, even though it'd be 5-6 years before I knew it.
I should probably toke up now.
josh
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