YTSEJAM Digest 4930
Today's Topics:
1) Jam's Golden Rule Reminder. Oh.. yeah ! JM's and Key's thread!
by "Yan E." <yanelmar@rieder.net.py>
2) Jordan
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
3) Accordion to whom?
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4929
by Jeroen Hendrix <jeroen.hendrix@wxs.nl>
5) DT cover mp3s site updated
by "Rajkai Peter" <peter.rajkai@mtt.hu>
6) Download Chroma Key's "Even The Waves"
by "Mark Bredius" <bredius@quicknet.nl>
7) Ramms+ein
by DWilk46577@aol.com
8) Turning Discussion BACK to DT
by Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
9) LTE2 sounds like Christian Music (j/k) hehehe.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
10) Bicker
by Zack1183@aol.com
11) Re: To Chris/not Amanda or anyone else...is that clear enough?
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
12) Re: Salvation on the radio waves in MN
by "Todd Fostvedt" <tfostvedt@csu.org>
13) Re: I&W as a first album
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
14) Re: christian "music" and myung
by JamesAhab@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:17:20 -0400
From: "Yan E." <yanelmar@rieder.net.py>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Jam's Golden Rule Reminder. Oh.. yeah ! JM's and Key's thread!
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990622121720.00795d50@mail.rieder.net.py>
>>From: "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
> I like what this one article or review said about Myung. It was
>something like he was the one who stopped Petrucci and Portnoy
>from flying off into space in opposite directions.>>>
Yup. I rememeber (Dunno if the same article) that it said more or less that
JM is to DT a kind of "GLUE", keeping songs understandable (glue-ing
instruments) to the listener. That is, working as a tourist guide through
the songs, so U wouldn't be as lost as newbie on the Ytsejam. ;)
>> Kind of made me think what it would be like if we had Myung
doing the same stuff that the others were doing with a million notes
per second and chromatic runs and other over the top stuff.
Somehow I think that would be just a bit too much (although
come to think of it that might be cool for a while)>>>
You can bet on it ! Maybe the next album will give us some surprises... (I
hope so)
Oh..about my subject... It's related to all the flames recently posted.
Just thought it will be useful for some ppl. Remember the welcome mail ?
Well the golden rule is (according to Skadz):
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<THINK BEFORE YOU POST !>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I think I followed that rule blindly, that's why I'm such a lurker !
NE wayz...
>>From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
> Guillory told me that he once asked Derek about his patches, and
>Derek blew him off. It was in the context of saying "I'm not sure how
>Derek gets some of his sounds." Guillory is another Trinity mofo. It's
>very much a lead player's board.
Hey Chris, a question here. (I'm spanish speaker) What do you mean by "blew
him off"? Derek didn't want to tell him about his patches ?
Cuz in Manifest... The leads sounds of Matt sound to me really close to
Derek's. I'm not complaining about it here, I'm just asking some
clarification ;) I mean, the lead sounds are similar, but the way both of
them play are quite different. (Am I clear enough?)=)
TERRIFIC DISC !! Really honors its name.
> keyboards. One of things I didn't like about Derek's sound was that at
> times I couldn't tell if it was Petrucci. There is only one Petrucci,
I thought I was alone on this one. Specially first time I've heard LITS intro.
> I could generally tell, especially live, and I thought that was a
>HUGE plus... not because it was a keyboard that could sound similar to a
>guitar, but because it was such a totally fresh sound that I had never
>heard before.
Totally agreed!
A last question, do someone have the Dali's Dilemma's URL ? Thanx in
advance..
Well I think that's for now.
Be good and keep flaming... errr... sorry I meant.. jamming.
np: Dali's Dilemma ? - Manifest for Futurism !
Ricky Martin - Vive la vida loca..;)
(I miss that thread !)
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- . Yan Gonzalez Acosta . -
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:15:19 +0200
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Jordan
Message-ID: <376F6237.AD8EDAD1@mol.com.mk>
Ptacek:
> .... Is he going to use the same lead sound on the new DT? Jordan
> has a great control over instruments with faster decay (piano and
> bells etc) but his choice in lead sounds just seems really dead
> next to Derek.
Yep, a very cool topic to discuss!
As far I'm concerned, Jordan sound on RPM could've been way better. I
can't say exactly what I dislike..
So, ... is the keyboard the problem or the man? ;o)
> and no matter how poor the relationship with Derek may have been
> or may have become, I would be shocked to hear that the guys
> didn't think his tone was happenin'.
Oh yeah! As hippie would say "We really dig Derek sound man!" :)
-- CyberDuke ________________________________________"Lisa, get away from that jazzer!" - Simpsons ________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:30:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> To: A Mind Forever Ytse-ing <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Accordion to whom? Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990622122520.7410A-100000@gs.bass.org>
Sorry for that stupid pun. The accordion is more native to the Germanic region and the polka tradition. Italian music uses the concertina, a smaller cousin of the accordion, without a keyboard. In the tangos, there is usually a bandoneon which has a similar sound to the accordion, but is again slightly different in construction.
I merely had to show off my intellect and correct mistaken impressions. paul NP The Alarm: Live KBFH RHCP: Californication ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul's biweekly musical quote:
She just loves me/ for my big dic- -tionary/ She wants my vocabulary/ complete from A to Z.
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:28:55 +0200 From: Jeroen Hendrix <jeroen.hendrix@wxs.nl> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4929 Message-ID: <376FB9C7.1B57@wxs.nl>
> While reading a LOT of argues about keyboards, I decided to throw in my > gear.
OK, great idea for all keyboardplayers on the Jam...
> I'm currently using Roland JV-90 (w/ "Keyboards of 60's / 70's" and "Grand > Piano" -patch card ) and Korg N264 and am damn satisfied with these! > > --== Sami Poimala > --== www.jyu.fi/~spoimala
Well, i'm currently using 4 Keyboards and no modules. But that's gonna change in some time. I'm using the Korg Trinity Pro, with FII-patches and Platypus-patches. The Yamaha SY-35 and SY-55 but i'm gonna sell these 2 keyboards. And last but not least...the Roland VK-7. Just bought it a couple of days ago. As I was telling, i'm gonna sell the 2 Yamaha's and i'm gonna buy the Korg SG Pro X, The Roland XP-80 and the Kurzweil K2500rs....then i'm finished...for the moment at least.
Jeroen Hendrix
-- Visit the EMOTION-page http://fly.to/emotion
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:58:28 +0200 From: "Rajkai Peter" <peter.rajkai@mtt.hu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: DT cover mp3s site updated Message-ID: <376FC0B4.20451246@mtt.hu>
I've updated my site, if you have a minute, please go to http://www.dtcovers.frag.hu
Thanks, Bungle
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:43:38 +0200 From: "Mark Bredius" <bredius@quicknet.nl> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Download Chroma Key's "Even The Waves" Message-ID: <19990622174358Z4013120-26636+142@mbox-01.quicknet.nl>
Hey guys,
For those of you who haven't checked out Chroma Key's "Dead Air For Radios" album yet, we've just added a full version (stereo MP3, CD quality) of the wonderful song "Even The Waves" to the "Audio" page:
http://www.chromakey.com/?ytse
The website currently has eight full songs available for download (for free)...
There are also three new reviews of "Dead Air For Radios" in the "Articles" section of the site...
Mark Bredius itchy@chromakey.com
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:50:12 EDT From: DWilk46577@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Ramms+ein Message-ID: <514d5a88.24a126d4@aol.com>
anyone listen to rammstein? My only experience with them is the track on soundtrack to "The Matrix." Is their stuff all like that? Anyone have any mp3s on their site, or whatever?
there are sounds clips all over the web for Rammstein
try searchinf site with ubl.com
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:07:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Turning Discussion BACK to DT Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.990622130359.3821A-100000@sparkie.gnofn.org>
I know htis IS an OPEn forum, but please, the Spock's Beard thing is getting a wee bit old.
Anyway, someone mentioned WDADU's back cover. There are several different versions of htis on CD. I believe I have an original Mechanic Records one, with no pictures on the back. True it was rereleasd on MCA, but every other one I have seen is by One Way records. Any thoughts? Also on my back cover, it's like they photocopied an LP album, I have listings for Side's 1 and 2.
Kurt
******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** @----'--,--- ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** "I remember Now" "Rodney King, what the hell is that supposed to mean? He's that guy." Airheads ************************************************************************
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:00:35 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: LTE2 sounds like Christian Music (j/k) hehehe. Message-ID: <000b01bebcd9$531283c0$0201010a@meserver.com>
> I have heard the new DT . . . it is called "When the Water Breaks"
You know, I haven't had time to listen to LTE 2 too much since I got it, but all I can do is hope that the new DT sounds little like WtWB. I mean, this album is great, but imo, it's >not< DT. In fact, I'm listening to When the Water Breaks right now, and although alot of the thematics on it are great, in >my< opinion it's very disjointed, boringly long, and downright annoying at its deliberate progginess.
I mean, the shorter songs like Acid Rain and Biaxident are great. Another Dimension is pretty damn good, too. It's just that there are alot of parts in WtWB that sound to me like they were just randomly thrown in. It's a 'jam' session of sorts so that's understandable, but it just totally cripples the flow of the song to me to go from these cool interludes into this "Let's see Altura try and rip THIS off" sort of thing. Ah, well. It'll still be interesting to see what the new DT album's like. Personally, I hope it's more like Acid Rain and Hourglass. hehehe. I think I'm losing my prog edge. Must... listen... to... Phil Collins...
And is it just me (I'll probably get hella-flamed by someone for this), but does the intro to Biaxident sound like a tip of the hat to John Tesh or what? :) Serious, that piano playing sounds alot like something John Tesh would do. *ducks* -- KorgX3
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:15:03 EDT From: Zack1183@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Bicker Message-ID: <68c56057.24a12ca7@aol.com>
Just a little side-comment here: I think that it is amusing how some sections of prog fans try to "make" other prog fans like the specific prog bands that the first enjoy. That seems like an MTV mentality to me. "Like this because I do."
A condensed ytsejam argument into one post: (Feel free to copy down for later use) Post One: [Insert Stupid Comment Here] Post Two: [Insert either the "Who the hell are you?" attack or the "What the hell do you know?" attack Post Three: [Insert Rebuttal With Increased Swearing] Post Four: [Insert Ad Hominem Attack] Posts Five - Sixty: [Insert Pointless Bickering and a million people just saying "shut up"] Post Sixty-one: [Insert the "Lets Agree to Disagree" post] Post Sixty-Two: Go back to post Four
seeyah NP: A Change Of Seasons <--havent seen any np's that actually have dt in them for a while...
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:36:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: To Chris/not Amanda or anyone else...is that clear enough? Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990622143434.12182B-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, J C wrote:
> Chris goes: > What's really cool about this post is that you said nothing, made no > point and just threw insults at me. See I like you, because that makes
<blah blah blah>
> Outlander out
Okay, if this was REALLY "To Chris/not Amanda or anyone else", why would you post it on a public forum and not to Chris himself?
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu http://cout.home.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- "What makes you strange is that you don't understand that I'M the one who's normal." - Heidi Lacroix -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:36:01 -0600 From: "Todd Fostvedt" <tfostvedt@csu.org> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Salvation on the radio waves in MN Message-ID: <87256798.00668CFC.00@nd-mta01.csu.org>
>Just a quick note to all ye jammers that there actually IS a radio station >that's just as "underground" as us. >In the Minneapolis/St. Paul metro area, there's a station (albeit a weak >one) that plays the following stuff during a very specific time of night >every week:
The Root of all Evil
Playlist for KFAI Fresh Air Radio Showdate 6-13-99 90.3 FM Minneapolis & 106.7 FM St.Paul - Minnesota Over a solid decade of Beer Farts & Belchs In our 13th Year of gaseous orifice escapage
Top 15 heavy noxious clouds :
1-Lorde of all Desires-"The Scent of Malevolence"-Root-O-Evil Records 2-S.O.D.-"Bigger than the Devil"-Nuclear Blast 3-Testament-"The Gathering"-Burnt Offerings/Spitfire 4-Marduk-"Panzer Division Marduk"-Osmose 5-WAR-"We are War"-Necropolis 6-Merciful Fate-"9"-Metal Blade 7-Em Sinfonia-"In Mournings Symphony"-Martyr Music 8-Deathwitch-"Monumental Mutilations"-Necropolis 9-Nightmare Lodge-"Blind Miniatures"-Red Stream 10-V/A-"Roots IV (ZoSo)"-Root-O-Evil 11-Children orf Bodem-"Hatebreeder"-Nuclear Blast 12-Goatsnake-S/T-Main's Ruin 13-Tartaros-"Grand Psychotic Castle"(re-issue)-Necropolis 14-Immolation-"Failures for Gods"-Metal Blade 15-December Wolves-"Completely Dehumanized"-Wicked World
Other stuff we blasted through our buttholes:
Dodheimsgard, God Dethroned, Sea of Tranquility, Rising Fall, En Garde, Cathedral, Caudicity, Seasons of wither, Witchery, Bongzilla, GZR, Wierd Al, Nevermore, Accept, Monty Python, Dimmu Borgir, Exhorder, Brujeria, In Flames, Dead, Rev.Poky Bunge, Judas Preist, Overkill, Deicide, Gore Beyond Necropsy, Hateplow, Mystic Charm, Porcupine Tree, Therion, Entombed, High on Fire, Mayhem, Iron Monkey, Haste, Mythos, Cryptopsy, Napalm Death, Neurosis, Hellecopters, Liquid Tension Experiment, Devin Townsends INFINITY, 6' Under, Gorefest and Castrate.
Top 5 added ingredients (for texture):
1-Lorde of all Desires 2-Demoniac 3-S.A.T.A.N. 4-Cirth Gorgor 5-Orange 9mm
Top 5 requested after dinner mints:
1-Witchery 2-Sentenced 3-Brutal Truth 4-Disturbed 5-DRI/Cro-mags
Our special guests again were the members of LORDE OF ALL DESIRES ....I guess they had such a swell time last week that they decided to try it again...this time bringing a few members of PENTAGORIA and hoping to see the now infamous "Dick-Stick" rear it's ugly and swollen purple helmetted head! This did (unfortunetly) happen again and the Bitslap and the Michelle were "up" for the challenge and presented the newly crowned champion with the coveted 8 and a 1/4 decree. Some guys have all the luck....and others have a room full of dudes having a "dude occasion".... complete with lots of bad jokes....extreme body odor.....pron and wrestling refferences....and the belching contest which proved to be more of a laugh-fest than the measuring of the membrane. On hand for this event were the said band members, Spooky B (aka Mr. Dark and Spooky...amoung others), the Scheck-heck instant co-co and the Don-Don beer nuts, and another meeshell or mishall (and she was doing her own measuring by the evenings end.. hey...is that your hand in his pants??) .....the contest even had a few phone callers contribute their vocal spewings and I was convinced that Spooky B and Ryan were gonna hurl with their "dueling expulsions"..... you had to be there...really....I still don't know why ANAL BLAST never showed...I guess we'll try next week. In the weeks ahead we see 21st CENTURY SIN and OPAQUE making their way down to the studio...along with COLD COLOURS and NOTHING...to name only a few.
ROOT-O-EVIL RECORDS UPDATES:
LORDE OF ALL DESIRES ADDS THIS WEEKEND and the results have been flowing in and it looks like the response has been OUTSTANDING!!! We canot thank everyone enough who added "The Scent of Malevolence" to their radio roster and charts. I am sure that this release will continue to remain high on the playlists and I thank everyone again who has shown this very deserving record any amount of support!
If you are going to the Milwaukee Metalfest......make sure you see the LORDE OF ALL DESIRES and the rest of the Root-O-Evil Records roster. Here is the "tenative and arranged" schedule ...
FRIDAY JULY 30th
8:40 IMPALER 10:40 OPAQUE
Saturday July 31st
6:40 COLD COLOURS 8:00 LORDE OF ALL DESIRES
but you know other bands always seem to run long so stop by the Root Cellar Records/Root of all Evil Booth for final times....ect...This is one Metal event you are not gonna want ot miss....it is bigger than ever this year!! Go to www.metalfest.com for more info.
OPAGUE and COLD COLOURS are working on art and liner notes for their new releases.....GOTTERDAMMERUNG is still in the studio mixing their "Twilight of the Gods"......WALHALLA are busy recording their new full length (and probably awaiting $$$ from yours truly).....NOTHING-"Nondescript" should be here in 2 weeks.......
The Root of all Evil is putting together a label sampler to commemorate our first year Anniversary... (the labels inception was at Metalfest 1998!!) It will have 19 tracks on it (almost 74 minutes of music) and 3000 will be made and given away at Metalfest and through radio worldwide! It will feature tracks from all of the Root-O-Evil Records releases, some tracks from upcoming projects, other bands we distribute and 2 tracks from the first ROOTS compilation but this time re-mastered for maximum penetration (as with a number of other songs on this compilation)! Thease should be ready in about 3 weeks and we will get thease out to you radio people pronto!
More news that's unfit to print next week!
Send extra butt-juice for extra loud flappers to:
The Root of all Evil
636 N.Snelling Ave St.Paul-MN-55104 http://www.rootofallevil.com
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:45:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: I&W as a first album Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990622144134.12182C-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Tue, 22 Jun 1999, Michael Zachariadis wrote:
> <excess garbage snipped>
> find I&W better than ACOS or anything else, as long as you have a > personality and can make your own decisions about what you like most) is > that I&W is not their first album, it's the second. The first was "When > Dream and Day Unite" back in 1989.
Actually, you COULD say that Images and Words was a first album. I for one haven't listened to much of WDADU (I REALLY need to buy it), but I can say this: With Charlie on vocals, it really DOES sound like a totally different band. So you could theoretically say that Images and Words was a first album for the band as it was. Somebody may make arguments about how each time a new keyboardist was introduced to the band that it could have been considered a first album, but to tell the truth, I don't really hear so much of a difference in the sound of the band with the differing keyboardists (well, there is difference in style, but I don't hear the overall sound of the band CHANGING) as there was in the change between Dominici and LaBrie. I would have to say that I consider WDADU as well as I&W to be two "first albums" by the same band.
> And a friendly advice to Andrew Coutermarsh: > START DELETING
I actually managed to get through all those messages yesterday. Took me two and a half fucking hours to do it, though. :)
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu http://cout.home.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- "No one wants to fuck with a crazy person. If someone tries to mug you, The best thing you can do is take out your money, and piss on it while mumbling and ranting. Chances are, they'll get scared and leave you alone. Of course, you'll have to wash your money." - Norman Calkin, on urban survival -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:33:30 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: christian "music" and myung Message-ID: <72bd8e08.24a14d1a@aol.com>
>< believe it or not both Kings X and the Galactic Cowboys are "full-fledged Christian" bands.. ><
Some people consider King's X a Christian band, and they have stated time and time again that they're just christians in a metal band. So both bands have written some anti-abortion themed songs, does that make them christians? now i could care less if they were christians or satanists. i wouldnt likely respect the latter, but it's the music that matters, and there's no such thing as christian music, just christians *making* music.
>< It very well could be - I've never seen the video, but I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Mike did pull it. Though the quality made it sound more like something that was recorded on a 4-track w/a drum machine than something taken from a video. It was on Precious Things, if I recall correctly. ><
I think that song was Freeport Jam, or maybe Solar Groove. I had Precious Things, but it was defective, so I sent it back to Bahr and obviously never got it back. One of the songs featured Myung prominently, but I think the rest of the band played on it.
Jim
Np - Chroma Key, Vitalij Kuprij, and Trans Siberian Orchestra (Christian music?!)
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