YTSEJAM Digest 4933
Today's Topics:
1) LTE 2
by "J." <kube@nh.ultranet.com>
2) Re: Zero Hour
by "Timothy P. Shough" <tpshou01@athena.louisville.edu>
3) Re: Genesis prog? YES!
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
4) bad word??
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
5) Stop Light Music...
by Awake77@aol.com
6) How many organs...
by "Gallop, Neil" <nga@software-ag.de>
7) Myung, again
by Jose Enrique Ralat Ballester <jralat@coqui.net>
8) new cds
by Toneadd9@aol.com
9) micheal romeo
by Toneadd9@aol.com
10) Categorizing music.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
11) Counterpoint
by The Central Scrutinizer <hender@wam.umd.edu>
12) RE: Religious music.
by Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
13) Off to Concerts!
by Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
14) New DT Fans
by trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4930
by DrummerEsh@aol.com
16) Jordan Tesh
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
17) oh, and here's ten more bucks
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
18) Counterpoint Prog, and more
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
19) Symphony X; bassists
by Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net>
20) Re: Korg vs. Kurzweil
by "Rajkai Peter" <peter.rajkai@mtt.hu>
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:34:40 -0400
From: "J." <kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: LTE 2
Message-ID: <000d01bebd29$5497dce0$a08806d1@tiac.net>
Hey all..
I've been in "lurk" mode for a while now, but I'd love to give my .02 on
the new LTE. It rocks!
What I like: 7 string groove. Long live Ibanez. Damn! It absolutely
rocks! I like the "tightness" of the band on this one. They really seem
polished and rehearsed. Maybe they took longer rehearsing before recording
on this one. Maybe its the fact that they have learned to "truly" work with
eachother. I also like that Mr. Portnoy seemed to let up a bit and ease up.
There are less fills (not every 2 or 3 measures like before) this allows my
brain to concentrate on more aspects of the music. I also like that I can
hear more of Jordan. God, is he incredible or what? I also like that his
tracks or more fluent and seem to compliment (more than before) the rest of
the band.
What I do not like: The mix. I think that for a good portion of the album
again, Mr. Levin is "drowned out" They seem to turn him up before he does
something wild, but for the rest of the time he is "smeared in". The
clarity of the recording however, is superb.
If you want to know my overall opinion.. it rocks. Will it stay in my CD
player another week? Time will only tell. Later, J
Jeremy Kube
kube@nh.ultranet.com
inflammabl@aol.com
"This Job would rule if it weren't for the f*$king customers!" Randall in
"Clerks"
"Sex is death, death is sex, it says it right here on my crucifix" Voices.
DT
"I love how financial aid offices always figure that you are rich when they
decide how much money that you'll get for school." Me 1999
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:33:13 -0400
From: "Timothy P. Shough" <tpshou01@athena.louisville.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Zero Hour
Message-ID: <37705579.4D06@athena.louisville.edu>
> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:24:27 EDT
> From: Diablo6491@aol.com
> To: ytsejam@axnet.net
> Subject: Zero Hour
> Message-ID: <6acf57a6.24a069fb@aol.com>
>
> I've been searching for this CD and I can't seem to find it anywhere,
> somebody help me out? If you haver this Cd and would like to sell it or if
> you know of a palce, other then "the Arena" that has this CD, lemme know?
> The Arena has it but its out of stock . . .
>
> RaY
Try MoreMetal (formerly Knights of the Round) at
It was listed as a QuickPick several months ago and is probably still in
stock. You might also find a RealAudio sound clip to download (short
and poor quality but informative). BTW, I think it kicks ass, and Matt
Guillory (Dali's Dilemma's keyboardist) appears as a bonus. Sorry,
mine's not for sale! My only complaint is that it's too damn short, but
it's still worth the money. Good luck and enjoy the Spock's
Beard/logical fallacy/if you can't do it then you can't critique it
flame wars.
Tim
NP: Heaven's Cry - Food for Thought Substitute
> Life is Good When Cheese is Plentiful
Is this a social commentary on the current state of the 'Jam? Just
curious.
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:17:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
To: Josh Calkin <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
Subject: Re: Genesis prog? YES!
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9906230009010.4608-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> > Someone raised the question about whether Genesis was prog or not.
> > Listen to early Genesis . . . maybe even mid-Genesis.
>
> Can anyone point me in the right direction as to where I can listen to
> some of this? I was really into Genesis in the '80's, and the idea of
> early "Prog" Genesis has piqued my interest...
Ahhh, progressive genesis.
We now take you on a journey - you don't need to pack (super's
already ready for you-whoo) and you don't need to carry a whole lot of
belongings because there's an angel in the sun freed to get back home.
Anyway, Genesis "used" to be (and, one could contend, now is back to
being) a very "moody" progressive band - not moody in the sence of
depressed but moody in the sence of orchestration. Ahhh, to ride the
tides of the Firth of Fifth with Tony once more..
But alas, I digress. Peter Gabriel (you know, the guy who does
"Sledgehammer") was the original singer of Genesis - and Phil Collins was
the 4th Genesis drummer (starting on their 3rd album, Nursery Cryme, in
1971). Albums to check out: Selling England By The Pound (is there a
greater progressive song in history than Firth Of Fifth?), Foxtrot
(Watcher Of The Skies, Super's Ready, Get 'Em Out By
Friday...even a Hackett solo) and the double-disc epic "The Lamb Lies Down
On Broadway" - Gabriel's last on vocals.
In 1976, PC took on the vocals - and his first two albums with
them: A Trick Of The Tail and Wind & Wuthering (both in 1976) are awsome
albums to check out (with songs like Dance On A Volcano, Squonk, Eleventh
Earl Of Mar and One For The Vine). Thankfully, I have a complete Genesis
discogprahy (and whatever else is there) on my little website below. have
a gander, win a prize.
- mike.
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erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 06:41:28 +0200
From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: bad word??
Message-ID: <v04020a16b39615cae6bb@[195.14.244.44]>
>time champion for this activity is still the FU section of Spock's Beard
>(oops, I said a bad word) "The Water"). Oh, this band has been accused of
FU is a bad word? ;-)
Steffen
-- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@westend.com)------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:51:58 EDT From: Awake77@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Stop Light Music... Message-ID: <514f293f.24a1cffe@aol.com>
No way man! The all time best "stoplight shock the pedestrians" tune is Death's "Spirit Crusher", especially when you have like 7 people in your car all screaming the chorus along with Chuck Shuldiner:) Although, I must admit, Meshuggah does gather some strange looks....:)
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:07:24 +0200 From: "Gallop, Neil" <nga@software-ag.de> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: How many organs... Message-ID: <005355AD0596D211B4F30000F81B0D32B85A82@daemsg01.software-ag.de>
Hi all
welcome to the "J.C. Trent Ptacek" jam.
So how many organs does a man really need? Personally, I only have one, a 6 inch Longdong with a hand slider. While being perfectly adequate when soloing, it just isn't enough when performing a duet with my girlfriend (who has a great sense of rhythm). This is when I have to make use of my 8 fingers and 2 thumbs to help her reach the really high notes. As far as polyphonics are concerned, we both find 69 to be sufficient for reaching aural (oral?) high spots. In addition, we both have a couple of other buttons and joysticks (including the hard-to-find G spot) that can be manipulated alone or in combination with each other in order to produce some interesting effects. Although we are now both fairly proficient, we are somewhat camera-shy and prefer to perform in private. All the above equipment is also played and endorsed my Kevin More, Derek Shoveitin and Jordan Rudies.
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (neil.gallop@softwareag.com) Currently playing: With - Myself
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Date: 23 Jun 99 03:00:15 -0400 From: Jose Enrique Ralat Ballester <jralat@coqui.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Myung, again Message-ID: <199906230209.CAA23899@piro.coqui.net>
Hey jammers,
After reading everybody's opinion on Myung I came to a conclusion, everybody has their own point of view and you got to respect that, and that there are a lot of jammers who are well informed musicians which makes me proud of the jam.
It's nice to know that there are still people out there who know about music, despite all of the crap out there. We should do some kind of jam of our own ( the kind where you use instruments), anyway it doesn't hurt to dream :-)
LONG LIVE THE JAM!!! Jose
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 02:08:31 EDT From: Toneadd9@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: new cds Message-ID: <9bf8ade6.24a1d3df@aol.com>
hey guys, been lurking for a while now. my hard drive crashed and i just got things started all over again. i lost my cd want list. so far it is like: artension, attention deficit, LTE 2, tiles, mercury rising,tiles,black light syndrome, gordian knot ( any one know if a cd online destributor who carries this NOT on back order?). i like dt, fates, sym x, power of omens, spastic ink, shrapnel and magna carta labels - type stuff. any suggestions of must haves/ must not haves/ dont gets is HIGHLY appreciated. thanx in advance, and please private mail me.
t.
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 02:09:48 EDT From: Toneadd9@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: micheal romeo Message-ID: <81ff78e6.24a1d42c@aol.com>
i am also looking for the micheal romeo instructional video if any one knows where i can get a copy please private mail me. thanx t.
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:12:51 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Categorizing music. Message-ID: <002801bebd3f$6deeabe0$670d84d0@korgx3>
> The lyrics are religious, the CD titles are religious, the name of the > is religious, even the cover art can be religious...but music is music.
Yes, take away the rhythmn and it's just tones, too. You can strip it down all you want, but when the pieces all fit together, you're left with a Christian song. Perhaps we should just be politically correct then and call it music with Christian intent? hehehe. "This music has been Theologically Enhanced for your listening enjoyment and may not be suitable for all audiences. Closed Captioned for the hearing impaired." -- KorgX3 eats a doozer.
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 02:18:13 -0400 From: The Central Scrutinizer <hender@wam.umd.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Counterpoint Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990623021813.009da510@pop.wam.umd.edu>
> Does anyone know a good prog band that can write good counterpoint and > does so relatively often? As good as DT is, they certainly can't/don't do > it.
Gentle Giant. They do more than just vocal counterpoint too. An interesting thing about GG -- anyone I've purposefully tried to convert to fandom of the band has done so without any difficulty. Musicians get especially rabid about them, and always complain loudly when I finally tell them the band broke up in 1980. Maybe I've just picked "the right" people to preach to, but... To anyone who's looking for something different (decidedly non-metal), be sure to check the band out.
Speaking of prog...fuckin' NEARFEST!! I still might have a ticket available for the fest (both days) if anybody going wants to make a last minute addition to their party or something. Drop me an E-mail; we'll discuss.
"You are a progrock festival in Bethlehem Pennsylvania About 400 people will be at the rock show The crowd will roar like a lion It will really whoop a wooly mammoth's ass"
Brian
=================================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: hender@wam.umd.edu ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ His Faithful Bootleg Page: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/Musik/Boot/ ===================================
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:28:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: RE: Religious music. Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.990623012800.10646A-100000@sparkie.gnofn.org>
Anyone ever tried Slayer?
Kurt
******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** @----'--,--- ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** "I remember Now" "Rodney King, what the hell is that supposed to mean? He's that guy." Airheads ************************************************************************
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:31:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Off to Concerts! Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.990623012902.10646B-100000@sparkie.gnofn.org>
Yo all, I am off to Lafayette,LA om thursday to see Sevendust. If you haven't heard them, GO GET THE CD. They have a black lead singer who can sing from Core Metal to actual high notes, but not whiny, put it this way, the guy has GOOD Range. After this one Soulfly is at New Orleans HOB and then a week later..Slayer...live...again.
Kurt
******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** @----'--,--- ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** "I remember Now" "Rodney King, what the hell is that supposed to mean? He's that guy." Airheads ************************************************************************
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:45:38 -0700 (PDT) From: trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: New DT Fans Message-ID: <19990623064538.19435.rocketmail@web503.yahoomail.com>
I recently won over two more fans to DT. I thought I'd post this as a diversion to some of the stuff that's going on, which I've been diligently trying to avoid since the point has gotten stale and people are only getting personally annoyed now.
Okay. I recently made a 250 meg zip disk full of mp3s from way cool bands. Pearl Jam, NIN, The Beatles, Zep, etc. And DT! I included "6:00", "Metropolis", and "Speak To Me." I told my friend (Murphy) to listen to these mp3s in particular and to tell me what he thinks. To say that he was impressed would be a pretty big under statement.
Now for the other. My girlfriend and I were getting ready to go out to eat with some friends. She was in the bathroom blow drying her hair and I was getting dressed in my room. I usually play music while I do this. The song of that particular moment was PMU. After I came out of my room, she asked me what it was that I was playing b/c apparently I "was playing something halfway decent for a change".
Ooh my head, rock on. === *Trent
-- check out my mp3s -- http://members.xoom.com/el_trento
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 02:49:37 EDT From: DrummerEsh@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4930 Message-ID: <2da95b77.24a1dd81@aol.com>
In a message dated 6/22/99 1:44:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
<< anyone listen to rammstein? My only experience with them is the track on soundtrack to "The Matrix." Is their stuff all like that? Anyone have any mp3s on their site, or whatever? there are sounds clips all over the web for Rammstein try searchinf site with ubl.com >>
Ya i listen to Rammstien, i think they are a great band, they have a great sound and one fuckin bad ass live show!!! Im not sure what song is on the Matrix soundtrack but all there songs are great.
-Esh http://www.phosphenes.com
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:23:36 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Jordan Tesh Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA0F43A0@ms.kallback.com>
> > And is it just me but does the intro to Biaxident sound like a tip >of the hat to John Tesh or what? :) Serious, that piano playing >sounds alot like something John Tesh would do. *ducks* > It does have rather new-age-y type sounds on it. I was listening to some > track > or other last night, and I could just picture Jordan swinging his hair > aroung like Yanni, in front of the Acropolis or something. Ok, if you love JR but hate new age music, do not buy JR's Secrets of the Muse or Resonance cds. They are both great but totally new age.
Trevor ~who has seen John Tesh live and would have seen Yanni but he was too expensive.
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:25:19 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: oh, and here's ten more bucks Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA0F43A1@ms.kallback.com>
http://www.tourdates.com/cdnow.html Limit one coupon per customer. Coupons can not be combined with other CDNOW offers. Minimum order of $14.99 (taxes, shipping & handling not included). Expires 7/9/99.
Buy some DT with it. There's yer content. Trevor
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 04:38:31 -0500 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Counterpoint Prog, and more Message-ID: <001901bebd5c$291167c0$87bbfea9@madstation>
In response to Jason: Counterpoint in prog = Dixie Dregs. First example that came to mind.
Gordian Knot also utilizes this harmonic tool at times, but not as blatantly as Morse and the Dregs.
> From: Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com> > Subject: Kurzweil's "top of the line"
> And, by the way, I respect Korg Trinities and Z1's and all the boards as > much as anyone else, and as I say, I would like to own a Trinity myself. > So let's be considerate about this whole debate. Because it's when I > start to see people say things like "do *THAT* with your Kurzweil. Give > me a break," that's when I begin to lose respect for the person wyho said > it,
Nothing disrespectful about it, and perhaps you're a little too sensitive. I'm not aiming to win any popularity contests with ytsejammers who believe that they are superior to keyboardists who don't bother programming their boards (because the chops speak more than the ability to play with a toy) and I'm certainly not concerned with whether or not you find something as TAME and FAIR as this challenge to be disrespectful. I'm much more concerned about learning things I don't know about, and challenging myself and the people on this list. Are you up for the challenge?
> have a nice chuckle to myself, and reassure myself that I *CAN* play > Lines in the Sand on my Kurzweil K2000, and probably better than most > stuck-up factory-patch no-programming "keyboardists" on this list. So, be > nice, LEARN your instrument inside and out, and then come to my house for > a little music fun and playing. Once you hear *THAT*, tell me my Kurz is > inferior. You'd have to be a liar to even think it.
Man, okay, if this is disrespectful, fuck it, because someone's got to put you to the test since you have clearly got the ego thing down. Let's see if you have the programming chops. DO what you claim you can do, instead of talking a big game. I have been called an egotist because I profess to have some knowledge of the guitar, but I have always backed up anything I have said, and have never made claims about my playing that weren't humbling or fair. Other people have gotten me in trouble by being complimentary on this list, but you have never seen me say anything that I couldn't back up with my own pudding. You can test me on that anytime. Bert, if you are as good as you claim to be, this should be a walk in the park, since _I_ can more or less play LitS's opening keyboard parts. You should also note that no one claimed that your board is inferior (quite the contrary if you can stop playing the role of the victim for a moment long enough to re-read my SCATHING and truly malevolent post) though if someone prefers the sounds from a Trinity to those in a Kurz, he'd be a liar NOT to say your board is sonically inferior. Now let's hear some evidence for how you can sound like a Trinity without a Trinity, at which point I'll happily give you back the break I so rudely asked you to give me, and from that point on, upon your request shall gladly refrain from asking you to do things you seem to think are really simple to do. Fact of the matter is, I personally don't believe those sounds can be obtained without a Korg product or a sample of one. Take the challenge or just cut the crap. No hard feelings either way.
- Chris
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 05:01:26 -0500 From: Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Symphony X; bassists Message-ID: <4.1.19990623045030.00a39990@mail.msy.bellsouth.net>
Well, after several strong suggestions to try out Symphony X, I finally downloaded a few MP3's so that I could sample them out. Now, I'm not trying to start a Spock's Beard thing here with Symphony X(BTW, I absolutely LOVE Spock's Beard, they are even BETTER than I thought, really a great big surprise, thanks...:), but I wasn't that impressed. Same with Angra. I guess it's that I've kind of gotten more away from that super heavy guitar sound, but the guitars were so thick, and I was expecting some keyboards, or some other things to separate them from the pack. Now, I can tell they're excellent at what they do, and can see why others like them, but I'll say this as a recomendation, if you like really heavy guitar driven prog...you'll love them...me...well, I tend more toward the Spock's Beard arena of prog I guess...so if you're kind of like me, be sure you listen before you buy(aren't MP3's GREAT!!! hehe)
As for the bassist thread, some other excellent bassists I find just a true joy to hear are Neils Henning-Orsted Pederson(double bass player that'll knock your socks off), Stanley Clarke, Ron Carter, Ray Brown, George Porter Jr., and I can't believe nobody mentioned the late Cliff Burton, man, was that guy a misplaced rip-roaring guitar player or what??? :)
np: Return to Forever "Music Magic"
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:03:24 +0200 From: "Rajkai Peter" <peter.rajkai@mtt.hu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Korg vs. Kurzweil Message-ID: <3770BEFC.EE6140FC@mtt.hu>
Damon,
it's another funny thing on Trinity, there is no possibility to use all 8 fx+2 main fx for ONE patch, only in multi, so that's why I don't understand why they couldn't solve the patch changing problem. Another weakness of the Trinity (that I miss) that there is no FM in the board. I could make a lot more similar patch to Kevin's analogue solo sound on my old Yamaha SY99.
Cheers, Bungle
> I think the reason why the Trinity mutes itself temporarily while changing > patches is due to the loading of up to eight different effects patches for > each sound, possibly changing dsp settings as well. There is a lot of power > going on in that silver case and the processor may not be able to handle it > without dropping the sound momentarily.
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