YTSEJAM Digest 4931
Today's Topics:
1) Re:IAW as first album
by Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
2) Re: Many things
by Dan McCormack <cowgod77@hotmail.com>
3) Re: x
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
4) Re: LTE sounds like Xian music
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
5) RE: LTE2 sounds like Christian Music (j/k) hehehe.
by "Vaughn, Brandon" <VAUGHNB@CHIPOLA.CC.FL.US>
6) Genesis prog? YES!
by "Vaughn, Brandon" <VAUGHNB@CHIPOLA.CC.FL.US>
7) Re: LTE sounds like Xian music
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
8) multiple melodies
by jason braswell <funkbreath@hotmail.com>
9) Bass-clicking Ptaceks Hop Through the Snowdrifts of Unfounded
by MusicSnob@aol.com
10) Re: multiple melodies
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
11) To be Christian or not to be Christian . . .
by Diablo6491@aol.com
12) a few things...
by John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
13) Guitar Magazine on LTE
by ToxicSheep@aol.com
14) Re: Korg vs. Kurzweil
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4917
by "indii" <indii@vistatech.net>
16) Guitar's screwup and Mullmuzzler
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4917
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
18) animals
by Isaac Trumbo <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:54:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re:IAW as first album
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.990622154959.25974A-100000@sparkie.gnofn.org>
I know what you mean, I can only listem to it when I am in a weird mood.
I skip AFIL and TKH and OWHTSTS (#7) because I have good versions of them
with james on vox. I can't bear to hear Chuck D. butcher them. That album
was the last one I bought of the commercial realeases, and it was a
disappointment. The funniest thing about that album IMO is the hair, but
it was 89 so it was OK, hell Sebastian Bach has reverted to that again
which is cool to go against trends and stuff.
Kurt
NP- Sevendust-I guess I'll start putting these down. :)
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:13:10 AST
From: Dan McCormack <cowgod77@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Many things
Message-ID: <19990622211311.51277.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
>Subject: Many things
>
>Then, mikel contradicted himself and said,
>
> >For a start, there is not really such a thing as Christian music.
>
>Next paragraph...
>
> >A friend of mine is also always giving me Christian tapes...
>
>Any questions? :)
i think you misunderstood his first statement. he was saying that there
isn't a style of music called "christian music" - there are lots of
christian bands but they play all different styles (mortification: christian
death metal. tourniquet: christian speed metal, power metal, hardcore, etc,
depending when in their career you look at :). the blamed: christian punk.
jars of clay: christian acoustic rock. petra: christian wussy rock. and i
forget the name of that christian rap group who seems to no longer be
christian anymore). there is no contradiction. moo.
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:17:51 -0700
From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: x
Message-ID: <376FFD7E.6B4EB94C@ucla.edu>
> Galactic Cowboys are "full-fledged
> Christian" bands..
Wow, didn't know that one. Did know about King's X though. I basically
don't care that they're a Christian band as long as all their lyrics
aren't about God and Jesus. There's no room down in my throat for more
religion.
~~Amanda
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:25:39 -0700
From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: LTE sounds like Xian music
Message-ID: <376FFF53.C9DB1C26@ucla.edu>
> And is it just me (I'll probably get hella-flamed by someone for this), but
> does the intro to Biaxident sound like a tip of the hat to John Tesh or
> what? :) Serious, that piano playing sounds alot like something John Tesh
> would do. *ducks*
I'll hide with you in the corner where no one can get us, cus I
agree. I took a total 180 from my initial impression of LTE2. It does
have rather new-age-y type sounds on it. I was listening to some track
or other last night, and I could just picture Jordan swinging his hair
aroung like Yanni, in front of the Acropolis or something. I really
like LTE2. Very different, but everything clicks much better. it
sounds a lot more like a well thought out studio album that one long
jam.
~~Amanda
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:39:56 -0500
From: "Vaughn, Brandon" <VAUGHNB@CHIPOLA.CC.FL.US>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: RE: LTE2 sounds like Christian Music (j/k) hehehe.
Message-ID: <41303F74D60DD111B56500609778A79C64EC77@chipola.cc.fl.us>
>> I have heard the new DT . . . it is called "When the Water >>Breaks"
>
>You know, I haven't had time to listen to LTE 2 too much since I got
it, but
>all I can do is hope that the new DT sounds little like WtWB. I mean,
this
>album is great, but imo, it's >not< DT. In fact, I'm listening to When
the
>Water Breaks right now, and although alot of the thematics on it are
great,
>in >my< opinion it's very disjointed, boringly long, and downright
annoying
>at its deliberate progginess.
>
You have crossed over . . . you are no longer one of "us" . . .
Yeah, would have been much cooler if they would have done some Spice
Girl or
Hanson covers! :(
Deliberate progginess??!!! That would just about include every DT song
and
all prog groups for that matter. You don't just sit down and start
playing
in 15/16! About the only group that did, that didn't make it sound so
deliberate is probably early Genesis.
If it sounds disjointed, that is probably because one person wrote it.
Most
of all DT songs may have started with one person, but I bet they became
group
efforts before long. Petrucci was absent for most of the writing.
Boringly long? I agree . . . I think all songs should be under 2
minutes . . .
after all, how many 16 minute commercials have you ever liked? :(
>I hope it's more like Acid Rain and Hourglass. hehehe. I think I'm
losing
>my prog edge. Must... listen... to... Phil Collins...
>
Alas, poor Phil . . . he has turned to the "dark side." Powerful is the
"dark
side" of music. Money, prestige, fame, commercial songs . . . all tools
of
the dark side. Stay true to prog. Beware of the dark side. :)
>And is it just me (I'll probably get hella-flamed by someone for this),
but
>does the intro to Biaxident sound like a tip of the hat to John Tesh or
>what? :) Serious, that piano playing sounds alot like something John
Tesh
>would do. *ducks*
Wammo!
What is wrong with that?
Did you ever criticize Derek's fondness for Elton John? I could see
Tesh in
a prog band before Elton. Or Derek's infatuation with Van Halen?
Or how about a jazz influence in I&W? Who would ever think of Spryo
with DT?!
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:47:13 -0500
From: "Vaughn, Brandon" <VAUGHNB@CHIPOLA.CC.FL.US>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Genesis prog? YES!
Message-ID: <41303F74D60DD111B56500609778A79C64EC78@chipola.cc.fl.us>
Someone raised the question about whether Genesis was prog or not.
YES!!
Listen to early Genesis . . . maybe even mid-Genesis. FORGET about late
Genesis.
Take a song like Supper's Ready. Or Watcher of the Skies. Or Dancing
on the Volcano. Or Los Endos. ETC....
Look at some of the time sigs they used. Truely incredible. To listen
to them, you would think most everything they do is in 4/4. But they
use some incredibly changing sigs in their music! Probably the best in
doing this, I think. Yes was good at everyone playing different time
sigs but you could always tell it. Genesis makes it sound like you
could clap to it, until you actually try.
Steve Hackett is an incredible guitarist, and was on the cutting edge of
his art. I forgot who was the first with tapping (I know Larry Carlton
was before VH), but Hackett was doing this kind of stuff a long time
ago.
But Genesis is definitely a prog band. If they are not, then I don't
understand what progressive is. Whatever they are, so is Yes, DT, and
the likes.
Alas, modern Genesis (before Phil left) is a sad but true reminder of
what can happen to prog musicians who turn.
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:53:36 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: LTE sounds like Xian music
Message-ID: <377005E0.D2E2C396@yunque.net>
Amanda Rosenblum wrote:
> > And is it just me (I'll probably get hella-flamed by someone for this), but
> > does the intro to Biaxident sound like a tip of the hat to John Tesh or
> > what? :) Serious, that piano playing sounds alot like something John Tesh
> > would do. *ducks*
> I'll hide with you in the corner where no one can get us, cus I
> agree. I took a total 180 from my initial impression of LTE2. It does
> have rather new-age-y type sounds on it. I was listening to some track
> or other last night, and I could just picture Jordan swinging his hair
> aroung like Yanni, in front of the Acropolis or something. I really
> like LTE2. Very different, but everything clicks much better. it
> sounds a lot more like a well thought out studio album that one long
> jam.
>
> ~~Amanda
ok i think that at least you, amanda, are referring to that part in the
middle of "when the water breaks" which is totally Yanni-like (no flames now HEH)
even some of the sounds use a little before the piano section breaks resemble the
sounds Yanni does on the intro to that track off of acropolis which i dont know
the title.. but i dont think biaxident sounds at all like new age or
something..the whole song sounds more to me like the dregs meet some jazz and
stuff heh...
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:57:55 PDT
From: jason braswell <funkbreath@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: multiple melodies
Message-ID: <19990622215756.92547.qmail@hotmail.com>
Does anyone know a good prog band that can write good counterpoint and
does so relatively often? As good as DT is, they certainly can't/don't do
it.
jason
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:13:11 EDT
From: MusicSnob@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Bass-clicking Ptaceks Hop Through the Snowdrifts of Unfounded
Message-ID: <f3b405a1.24a16477@aol.com>
Someone observed (referring to Myung and the click):
>Ah, the infamous bass 'click' - I had to work for YEARS to get rid of that.
>The times I've seen him play, I've only heard the click a few times, which,
>IMO, is pretty good.
If the click is a sign of crappy technique, then Steve Harris must be
absolutely bereft of technique.
On another note, I am curious as to which five jammers Ptacek was referring
when he was talking about people on this list with more chops than Yngwie. I
am not trying to start anything, but I can think of perhaps three recorded
guitarists who participate on this list, so I am wondering who else I am
missing, not that being recorded is a prerequisite for talent...
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:14:52 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: multiple melodies
Message-ID: <37700ADC.E6BB4894@yunque.net>
jason braswell wrote:
> Does anyone know a good prog band that can write good counterpoint and
> does so relatively often? As good as DT is, they certainly can't/don't do
> it.
>
> jason
>
other than Savatage?
>
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:19:57 EDT
From: Diablo6491@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: To be Christian or not to be Christian . . .
Message-ID: <ec20310b.24a1660d@aol.com>
<< i could care less if they were christians or satanists. i wouldnt likely
respect the latter, but it's the music that matters, and there's no such
thing as christian music, just christians *making* music. >>
There IS a such thing as Christian music actually. I don't see how your
statement made any sense actually. Michael W. Smith and Jars of Clay(one of
my favortie groups) have written such RELIGIOUS lyrics that its scary.
Everything in their music is religious. The music is clean, the lyrics are
holy(:>), and even the titles of their CD's deal with the bible or something
Christian. The name of the BAnd, Jars of Clay, is in DIRECT refrence to the
bible actually. If anything musical in your world should be considered
christian music, It should be JArs of Caly( again, an amazing group that
everyone should like:>)
Jusy my 2 Christian cents
RaY
np: Awake
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:23:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam dream theater <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: a few things...
Message-ID: <19990622222307.989.rocketmail@web109.yahoomail.com>
First off I would like to add to the discussion on jordans
sounds. I really like the fact that he changes his sounds
steadily thru LTE2. it keeps me on edge. And i really am
digging some of those more percussive sounds. I think
those patches sound good when jordan is playing a lead
along with JP, you can hear both of them, but to me it
doesn't seem like they are trying to out do each other.
Is anyone excited about james Mullmuzzer cd? I have seen
it mentioned here maybe once or twice. I for one can't
wait... Mike Mangini on drums and Mike Keneally on
guitar!!! Also does anyone know whats up on the second
Platypus cd? I assume its finished by now.
thats all for now
===
John Parks
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the universe and human stupidity,
and I'm not sure about the former. -Albert Einstein-
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:31:34 EDT
From: ToxicSheep@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Guitar Magazine on LTE
Message-ID: <e1c26f16.24a168c6@aol.com>
In a message dated 6/21/99 1:16:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Compadre32@aol.com writes:
"I am a HUGE fan of Testament...ive always admired the exceptional playing
ability of former lead guitarist Bruce Skolnick"
That reminds me of something-- did anyone pick up the latest issue of
Guitar Magazine? (The one with the dissapointing results for the 1998
reader's poll....I don't even want to get started on that.) I noticed
something kind of funny in the review section...that is, the LTE 2 review.
Now, the review itself was not bad, and they gave the disc the approprite
praise which it deserves, but they have the facts all wrong. In reference
to the LTE 1, they write- "The first features ex-Testament guitarist Alex
Skolnick and is more free jazz than prog-rock."
What the hell is wrong with them? What idiots...I was just completely thrown
off by that. At least it gave me a good laugh.
In addition, I want to confirm on whether his name is Bruce or Alex.
Obviously, it is hard to trust the magazine judging the context of the rest
of the sentence. I dont know much about Testament. Are they brothers? Is
one of them non-existant? I don't think it would make much of a difference
anyways.
Adam
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:39:13 -0400
From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Korg vs. Kurzweil
Message-ID: <4.1.19990622183824.0099dea0@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
I think the reason why the Trinity mutes itself temporarily while changing
patches is due to the loading of up to eight different effects patches for
each sound, possibly changing dsp settings as well. There is a lot of power
going on in that silver case and the processor may not be able to handle it
without dropping the sound momentarily.
At 03:25 AM 6/22/99 , you wrote:
>
> > > You can do it on a Kurzweil. But the thing is, that you can't pull it
> > > up as some preset (which I imagine most of Derek's unique sounds came
> > > from).
> >
> > Guillory told me that he once asked Derek about his patches, and
> > Derek blew him off. It was in the context of saying "I'm not sure how
> > Derek gets some of his sounds." Guillory is another Trinity mofo. It's
> > very much a lead player's board.
>
> I had the luck to play on Derek's Trinity but I haven't found any unique
> sound that was not so similar to my Trinity's presets. He told me he usually
> didn't go through the "programming", one of his friends at Kord did all that
> work. However Jordan is totally a "keyboard programmer".
>
>
> > > So far, I've only ever seen Jordan play on one keyboard. I look at
> > > Derek and Kevin . . . stacks of keyboards. Of course, I do like the
> >
> > I think the reason Kevin and Derek use multiple boards is likely
> > because they perhaps feel that no one board can do all they want it to
> > do, though it could be the patch switching glitch mentioned about the
> > Trinity. Jordan would seem to be making a different statement, but to my
> > ears, his sounds do fall a bit short. Opinion, so nbd.
>
> Don't forget, that Kevin has a K2000 since he left DT. I believe he will
> use just that (or a K2500) on his future shows...
> What I hate in Trinity, when I switch to another patch, the previous one
> is going to mute in the same second. I wonder because Korg has already
> made keyboards in the past that were not doing that.
>
> Cheers,
> Peter
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:40:44 -0400
From: "indii" <indii@vistatech.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4917
Message-ID: <000901bebd00$4a8f2f60$0600000a@matts>
And finally.. I've seen many times Symphony X mentioned here.. I've heard
to Mike Pinella and the other Mike (can't remember the last name) in the
Working Man Rush tribute.. They sound quite interesting.. How is Divine
Wings.. ?
-snip-
Unfortunaly, I wasn't still subscribed to the
jam at Age of Impact's release time, so I dunno the jammer's opinion about
it... But, given the repetition of threads.. Any opinions will be welcome
!! (either private or on the jam )
All i got to say is that if you like Age of Impact then you will love
Symphony X...Buy Divine Wings NOW! To try and give you a little idea...i
consider then a combination of Manowar (mostly because of the fantasy like
settings), Explorer's Club (the whole cd seems to me like one long opera) DT
(for complete and total AWESOMENESS!) and a little Savatage thrown in....or
maybe some Helloween... They are heavier in most parts then EC or DT but
that's also where the Manowar comes into play....
hope this helps.....if you want .. privately email me (indii@vistatech.net)
and i will send you some sounds samples....it won't take you long to make
your decision....
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:55:47 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Guitar's screwup and Mullmuzzler
Message-ID: <001c01bebd02$69e74120$0201010a@meserver.com>
> to the LTE 1, they write- "The first features ex-Testament guitarist Alex
> Skolnick and is more free jazz than prog-rock."
It sounds like someone must have mixed up LTE with Attention Deficit to me.
I still need to pick that one up. Alex Skolnick did play on the AD album.
> In addition, I want to confirm on whether his name is Bruce or Alex.
Alex Skolnick. He's a damn good guitar player, too. A once friend of mine
used to have a signature series Ibanez of his. Sweet, sweet guitar. Except
he sold it for drug money. Blah. :( Although I find it odd that the name
Bruce Skolnick sounds familiar to me, I don't know of any guitar players by
that name. :)
> Is anyone excited about james Mullmuzzer cd? I have seen
> it mentioned here maybe once or twice. I for one can't
To me, I think I'm more interested in hearing this album than the new DT
album. I am highly curious as to what kind of sound James is going for on
this album. With the musicians he's got, I'm expecting something DAMN good.
hehehe.
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:10:03 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4917 Message-ID: <377017CB.DE528479@yunque.net>
> All i got to say is that if you like Age of Impact then you will love > Symphony X...Buy Divine Wings NOW! To try and give you a little idea...i > consider then a combination of Manowar (mostly because of the fantasy like > settings), Explorer's Club (the whole cd seems to me like one long opera) DT > (for complete and total AWESOMENESS!) and a little Savatage thrown in....or > maybe some Helloween... They are heavier in most parts then EC or DT but > that's also where the Manowar comes into play....
ERR ...age of impact sounds NOTHING like symphony X.... EC:AOI is like Magellan on sterioids...while SyX is pure neoclassic power metal(most songs have the constant double bass with matching riffing throughout thingie that "distinguishes" bands like Helloween , gamma ray, some Angra, Hammerfall etc...) with some progish influences...and IMO SyX is NOT heavier than DT, sure theyre faster riffs, but in my book heavy equals lower and slower rather than fast...for example..to me.. Meshuggah is a lot heavier than say,..canibbal corpse, because meshuggah uses mid to moderately fast tempos with grinding gut wrenching sounding stuff..while canibal corpse is just fast ( im generalizing here) and well...SyX just drops D sometimes and thats all...
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:11:28 GMT From: Isaac Trumbo <inferno_one@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: animals Message-ID: <19990622231128.84435.qmail@hotmail.com>
you're thinking of elton john.. he's the guy who does ducks..and sheep for that matter.. :)
inferno NP: u2 - october
>And is it just me (I'll probably get hella-flamed by someone for >this), >but does the intro to Biaxident sound like a tip of the hat to John Tesh or >what? :) Serious, that piano playing sounds alot like something John Tesh >would do. *ducks* >-- >KorgX3
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