YTSEJAM Digest 4932
Today's Topics:
1) NEED YOUR HELP QUAKE3
by Dave <dhatlee@dhpc.com>
2) _
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
3)
by J C <outlander28@hotmail.com>
4) Symphony X
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
5) the new John Petrucci - give that man a baby before every record
by Schnipp - <schnipp@hotmail.com>
6) RE: rammstein
by "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
7) Portnoys New Title
by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
8) Re: rammstein
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
9) blah
by Isaac Trumbo <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
10) dali's dilemma and deja vu
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
11) Re: the skolnick brothers and mike manring
by threedees <threedees@prodigy.net>
12) Re: Genesis prog? YES!
by "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
13) Re: rammstein
by "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
14) Re: rammstein
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
15) Re: DT info
by trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
16) Skolnick
by Compadre32@aol.com
17) to be or not to be multiple christian melodies
by JamesAhab@aol.com
18) Kurzweil's "top of the line"
by Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
19) Jordan improv
by Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:09:47 -0400
From: Dave <dhatlee@dhpc.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: NEED YOUR HELP QUAKE3
Message-ID: <4.1.19990622190229.009a0c50@ee.net>
Hi everyone, sorry to bother the jam with this semi-ndtc, but I need to
call on the
mighty brotherhood of the 'Jam for some help, because you guys know how to
get things done.
A lot of you know me as the "guy who made the DT Doom2 level". Well, that was
a long time ago, and since then most of us have gotten into Quake2. Well,
now Quake3
is coming out and myself and another friend were considering building a
Dream Theater level
for Quake3, but have found out that IDsoftware has omitted a very simple
but very
important feature in Q3 that was essential in Q2 for us.
Please take 30 seconds to view this: http://www.dhpc.com/wdadu/quake3/
And you can make a WORLD of difference.
Thank you all in advance!!! I'm eternally grateful!!
Dave Hatlee (aka "buster" back in the early days)
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:22:50 +0200
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: _
Message-ID: <37701ACA.5A1AC1A5@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 23:22:19 -0600
> From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
> I think it's a good idea for other people to express (or reinforce
> otherwise) that "Band X" (Not to be construed as Phil Collins' Band X
That would be BRAND X, if I may correct! :) Thank you!
-- CyberDuke ________________________________________"Lisa, get away from that jazzer!" - Simpsons ________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:50:09 EDT From: J C <outlander28@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Message-ID: <19990622235010.4653.qmail@hotmail.com>
Okay, if this was REALLY "To Chris/not Amanda or anyone else", why would you post it on a public forum and not to Chris himself?
Because it needed to be said openly! Thats all bro.
Outlander but i dont want to talk about this anymore...im tired of the bitch-fest
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:13:59 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Symphony X Message-ID: <377026C7.8838205C@home.com>
Carlos Alfaro said: > ERR ...age of impact sounds NOTHING like symphony X.... EC:AOI is like Magellan > on sterioids...
I agree with you here Carlos.
> and IMO SyX is NOT heavier than DT, sure theyre > faster riffs, but in my book heavy equals lower and slower rather than > fast...for example..to me..
Well, I agree again with you again as far as fast not always meaning heavy. However, I dunno how you could say that SX isn't heavier than DT! Hell, just SX's massive guitar tone makes them sound waaaay heavier to me.
Just my opinion, though. --
- Joe DeAngelo jdeangelo@home.com ICQ # 1872723 -------------------------------------------- "Our worlds collide, now in disguise You'll feel the Wrath Divine Tears of woe fall from the sky..." - Symphony X, "The Divine Wings of Tragedy" ---------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:25:31 PDT From: Schnipp - <schnipp@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: the new John Petrucci - give that man a baby before every record Message-ID: <19990623002532.7941.qmail@hotmail.com>
hi folks, i was very careful listening to this album after some euphoric reviews. to make it short i like it. it is pretty much the best new album i heard in a long time(to me) and i am surprised by JP's play. very diverse, surprising and joyful. for me it's just fun to listen to.
sure, if you want to, you can find snippets that remind you of other songs. everybody hears the met 1 resemblence in WtWb, and other things and i hear MJackson's thriller in one song, but that does not degrade the album for me. i especially liked the guest star guitar solo in acid rain. that was so obvious, but i dig it - it's a great solo.
9.5/10 from me(because i don't like chewbacca that much) for all who care, keep on jamming and what not sebastian
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:29:12 -0700 From: "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: RE: rammstein Message-ID: <000001bebd0f$6be85560$046400c0@oemcomputer>
> -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@ax.com [mailto:ytsejam@ax.com]On Behalf Of Robert A. > Jurado, MPH
> anyone listen to rammstein? My only experience with them > is the track on soundtrack to "The Matrix." Is their stuff > all like that? Anyone have any mp3s on their site, or > whatever?
I have that CD. The song "Du Hast" that appears on The Matrix soundtrack (which, btw, is easily the best film of 1999, and so you should see it if you have not already done so) is the best song on the CD, but all the music is more or less the same (guys yelling stuff in German over heavy guitars and thumping drums). I don't listen to it a lot, but occasionally I put it in the CD player to rile up the neighborhood. I also consider this a great CD to play in the car at stoplights with the windows rolled down (the all time champion for this activity is still the FU section of Spock's Beard (oops, I said a bad word) "The Water"). Oh, this band has been accused of influencing people to shoot other people, so don't blame me if you buy the CD and get the sudden urge to re-load or something.
As for samples, I'd imagine that this CD is one of the more copied ones out there. Use a MP3 search engine, and you'll probably find plenty of samples.
Dave Thomas - Editor, Pixel Planet Reviews of books, music, comics, movies, games, CG software, programming tools and more! http://www.pixelplanet.com
> > -rob > >
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:54:19 -0500 From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Portnoys New Title Message-ID: <002b01bebd12$edcc4200$b85099d1@default>
For anyone who hasn't seen this months MODERN DRUMMER magazine, they reviewed the tribute CD to Emerson, Lake and Palmer. And thanks to the reviewer, Mike Portnoy will now always be "Mr. Progressive" Mike
Mike and Susan Verstraete www.sound.net/~homewks
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:03:39 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: rammstein Message-ID: <3770326B.60E312AA@yunque.net>
Dave Thomas wrote:
> . I also consider this a great > CD to play in the car at stoplights with the windows rolled down (the all > time champion for this activity is still the FU section of Spock's Beard > (oops, I said a bad word) "The Water").
Heh another good band to do this, and my personal favorite to do so too, would be Meshuggah ( hey 2 plugs in one jam!) try and see the kinds of looks youll get! HEH
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:07:08 GMT From: Isaac Trumbo <inferno_one@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: blah Message-ID: <19990623010708.38315.qmail@hotmail.com>
korg said: >>to the LTE 1, they write- "The first features ex-Testament guitarist Alex >>Skolnick and is more free jazz than prog-rock." > >It sounds like someone must have mixed up LTE with Attention Deficit to me. >I still need to pick that one up. Alex Skolnick did play on the AD album.
i KNOW i'm gonna get flammed for this from some avid skolnick fan but you don't need to pick up the album.. it's pretty lame actually.. the album lacks any and all continuity.. Attention Deficit was a blatent attempt to get as far away from structure as possible and as a result it sounds shit.. but that's just my opinion.. if you like the cd then feel free to tell me that i sound like shit cause i'm sure you will..
i'm just glad i like Spocks Beard or there'd be a price on my head..
inferno NP: Jeff Buckley - Sketches For My Sweetheard The Drunk
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:08:16 -0300 From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: dali's dilemma and deja vu Message-ID: <00b401bebd0c$7f45f160$76c95bd1@viper>
]From: Schnipp - <schnipp@hotmail.com> Subject: the new John Petrucci - give that man a baby before every record
>everybody hears the met 1 resemblence in WtWb, and other things and i hear
speaking of that, i've been listening to dali's dilemma a lot lately, and it kicks a whole bunch of ass of course. but it seems like it's one long "name that tune" album. has anyone noticed that? for example, track 2 in general sounds a lot like fates warning, and parts of track 3 remind me of (gasp) petra, the christian rock group. but in specific:
tk 2: ACOS: 3:55 and more clearly at 5:44
tk 3: Met pt1, Bm sextuplet run: 3:37
anyways, you get the idea. there's also tons of parts i fuckin love. the latin-y (not latin really but more like 3rd-level-of-sonic-the-hedgehog amazon jungle sounding - i always associate that with amazon cuz of that sonic level, but what kidn of music is that really? :) part of track 1 at 4:19 of track 1, the drum pattern under the bass solo of track 2 at around 2:53... so anyways, not a condemnation at all, just pointing it out and going "heh". :) moo.
--
Dan McCormack (dmc@dreamt.org) Computer Engineer, WSBF-FM Clemson 88.1 http://wsbf.clemson.edu/
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:15:41 -0400 From: threedees <threedees@prodigy.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: the skolnick brothers and mike manring Message-ID: <3770353D.C08085F0@prodigy.net>
> That reminds me of something-- did anyone pick up the latest issue of > Guitar Magazine? (The one with the dissapointing results for the 1998 > reader's poll....I don't even want to get started on that.) I noticed > something kind of funny in the review section...that is, the LTE 2 review. > Now, the review itself was not bad, and they gave the disc the approprite > praise which it deserves, but they have the facts all wrong. In reference > to the LTE 1, they write- "The first features ex-Testament guitarist Alex > Skolnick and is more free jazz than prog-rock." > What the hell is wrong with them? What idiots...I was just completely thrown > off by that. At least it gave me a good laugh. > In addition, I want to confirm on whether his name is Bruce or Alex. > Obviously, it is hard to trust the magazine judging the context of the rest > of the sentence. I dont know much about Testament. Are they brothers? Is > one of them non-existant? I don't think it would make much of a difference > anyways. > > Adam
I'm not aware of any Skolnicks named Bruce, but Alex plays on an album called Attention Deficit with none other than Michael Manring. It's pretty good. A little too experimentally jammy for my tastes but who cares. Hey, it's got Tim "Herb" Alexander on it.
anyway, NEARfest is gonna rock, YEAH!!!!
dan
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:29:27 -0400 From: "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Genesis prog? YES! Message-ID: <002e01bebd17$d6bc1360$8d50c6d1@guest3382>
> Someone raised the question about whether Genesis was prog or not. > Listen to early Genesis . . . maybe even mid-Genesis.
Can anyone point me in the right direction as to where I can listen to some of this? I was really into Genesis in the '80's, and the idea of early "Prog" Genesis has piqued my interest...
Thanks, Josh Calkin: URL: http://members.tripod.com/~DarkHarmony E-Mail: darkharmony13@hotmail.com j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu ICQ: 22473371 AOL IM: Mortua
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:37:33 -0400 From: "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: rammstein Message-ID: <006701bebd18$f7bee460$8d50c6d1@guest3382>
> > . I also consider this a great > > CD to play in the car at stoplights with the windows rolled down (the all > > time champion for this activity is still the FU section of Spock's Beard
Three words: Insane Clown Posse. I get a lot of weird looks.
NP: Astral Projection - Mahaveda
Josh Calkin: URL: http://members.tripod.com/~DarkHarmony E-Mail: darkharmony13@hotmail.com j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu ICQ: 22473371 AOL IM: Mortua
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:40:52 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net, ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: rammstein Message-ID: <iss.345d.37703b21.c6cd0.1@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
If you're going to get into Rammstein, I would recommend also checking out their first album, Herzeleid. I'm not sure why but I like it more than Sennsucht, which is the album that contains Du Hast. It seems heavier and a little more musical, a little less of that nearly-dance-beat drumming which is all over Sennsucht.
-Brian
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:55:16 -0700 (PDT) From: trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: DT info Message-ID: <19990623015516.21981.rocketmail@web503.yahoomail.com>
--- Michael Zachariadis <mzahar@cc.uoa.gr> wrote: > > Well > Trent first of all never, ever say > that I&W was a good or a pretty good album.
Why not? It IS a pretty good album, but IMHO the band have done better.
> I think > that 99.9% of the ppl here > believe in their hearts (including me) that I&W is > THE ALBUM.
Hmm, everyone else on this list feels that way, obviously I'm wrong b/c I disagree, what the fuck's wrong with me!??!
> The one that set the > basis for prog metal and yadda yadda yadda
> But the most > important thing that you obviously don't know (cause > yadda yadda yadda) is that > I&W is not their first album, > it's the second.
Okay, what the fuck ever. I should've clarified-- "first major release". Or perhaps "first release that was worth a damn." Or maybe just "first release with JLB". Take your pick.
> The first was "When Dream and Day > Unite" back in 1989. I won't tell > you to RTFFAQ, but check the official DT site > http://www.dreamtheater.net to learn > more about the band, if you are a fan as you say.
See my response a few paragraphs back about being a fan and being on this list. === *Trent
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:19:29 EDT From: Compadre32@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Skolnick Message-ID: <a8d6ccdf.24a19e31@aol.com>
The name Bruce Skolnick was a figment of my mind caused by smoking too much green herb. I apologize....i was thinking of Alex and saying bruce. ****************************************************************************** ******************** ID LIKE TO MAKE A "YTSEJAM - WIDE" MOTION
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i dont know if a motion has ever been made to the jam, but this sarcastic post was meant to brighten the days of my fellow pot-proggies. Thanks
Compadre32 (ill be the first to break my own precept)
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:29:10 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: to be or not to be multiple christian melodies Message-ID: <eabe7d01.24a1a076@aol.com>
>< Does anyone know a good prog band that can write good counterpoint and does so relatively often? ><
Three immediately come to mind. King's X, Galactic Cowboys, and Savatage. Savatage doesn't use them every song, but they do the "row row row your boat" type counterpoint vocals, and no one does it better. Galactic Cowboys and King's X use vocal harmonies in just about every song. I much prefer GC over King's X. I don't care too much for KX, but they do good things with vocals.
>< i could care less if they were christians or satanists. i wouldnt likely respect the latter, but it's the music that matters, and there's no such thing as christian music, just christians *making* music. >>
There IS a such thing as Christian music actually. I don't see how your statement made any sense actually. Michael W. Smith and Jars of Clay(one of my favortie groups) have written such RELIGIOUS lyrics that its scary. Everything in their music is religious. The music is clean, the lyrics are holy(:>), and even the titles of their CD's deal with the bible or something Christian. The name of the BAnd, Jars of Clay, is in DIRECT refrence to the bible actually. ><
The lyrics are religious, the CD titles are religious, the name of the band is religious, even the cover art can be religious...but music is music. it's acoustic rock. You could take the lyrics and replace them with Cannibal Corpse lyrics, but the music is still the same. would you call it christian then?
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:03:22 +0000 (UTC) From: Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Kurzweil's "top of the line" Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.95.990623025543.10146A-100000@vectorbd.vectorbd.com>
KorgX3 said something like:
> If it's $4000, I assume it's Kurzweil's top of the line...
Well, the K2500XS (88 keys with sampler built in) is Kurzweil's best for normal "gigging" use, but if you really want to go all out, grab a K2500AES (Audio Elite System), which is K2500-based but expands upon it to the absolute maximum, and then throws all kinds of other goodies at you (like A 40 CDROM set of new sounds and 2 DTMi Kurzweil interfaces, among other things) for a mere $20,000.
-- Bert
And, by the way, I respect Korg Trinities and Z1's and all the boards as much as anyone else, and as I say, I would like to own a Trinity myself. So let's be considerate about this whole debate. Because it's when I start to see people say things like "do *THAT* with your Kurzweil. Give me a break," that's when I begin to lose respect for the person wyho said it, have a nice chuckle to myself, and reassure myself that I *CAN* play Lines in the Sand on my Kurzweil K2000, and probably better than most stuck-up factory-patch no-programming "keyboardists" on this list. So, be nice, LEARN your instrument inside and out, and then come to my house for a little music fun and playing. Once you hear *THAT*, tell me my Kurz is inferior. You'd have to be a liar to even think it.
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:05:18 +0000 (UTC) From: Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Jordan improv Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.95.990623030437.10146C-100000@vectorbd.vectorbd.com>
Go to Jordan's website, and you can download an improvised MIDI file he made. Beats the hell out of most things most keyboardists can *WRITE*.
-- Bert
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