YTSEJAM Digest 4914
Today's Topics:
1) Threshold fanclub CD
by "Rene Janssen" <rhm.janssen@civility.nl>
2) Improv v's Pre-composed
by "Robert O'Doherty" <rodoherty@seagull.nl>
3) LTE 2 Cravings
by Barbara B <babs@sgenab.cc.geneseo.edu>
4) Re: Fifteen Sixteen
by Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
5) Re: Magna Carta lately
by "Michael Patrick" <civilwar@my-deja.com>
6) long hair, The Doors, & labels
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4913
by Steve Chew <schew@tislabs.com>
8) Re: Long songs...
by Steve Chew <schew@tislabs.com>
9) Re: Passion Play
by Steve Chew <schew@tislabs.com>
10) The Doors / Anathema / Amorphis
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
11) Re: Crimnson Sunset
by Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
12) Re: Derek does clinics in Mexico, earthquake hits...
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4913
by DrummerEsh@aol.com
14) mumbai!
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
15) Re: Crimnson Sunset
by bplumb@pi-r-squared.com
16) improv and jp
by Isaac Trumbo <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
17) LTE2 on the way!
by Steve Chew <schew@tislabs.com>
18) WTF?
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:15:02 +0200
From: "Rene Janssen" <rhm.janssen@civility.nl>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Threshold fanclub CD
Message-ID: <s768e27f.019@mail.roccwise.nl>
Hi,
For those of you who are interested in the Threshold fanclub CD 'Decadent',=
check out the Zizania website. The CD can be ordered directly from this =
label, located in The Netherlands. Zizania has some serious bands under =
contract, later this year you can expect releases of Wolverine and =
Symmetry. And I'm 100% sure you will like both bands. check it out!
http://www.zizania.com/
Greetings,
Rene Janssen
r.jansse@tref.nl
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:29:27 +0100
From: "Robert O'Doherty" <rodoherty@seagull.nl>
To: "Ytsejam (E-mail)" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Improv v's Pre-composed
Message-ID: <001301beb8ac$479538c0$03632a0a@rob.seagull.ie>
My 2 cents:
I *MUCH* prefer songs which have been composed in advance. It allows
songs/solos to take unexpected turns here and there which could not
otherwise exist. I personally found 3MW on LTE1 very interesting (in that
it gave me some insight into how these guys interact) but I rarely listen to
it due to its lack to real musical content.
Haven't heard LTE2 yet but I was relieved to hear that "When the Water
Breaks" was composed in advance.
Rob.
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:46:30 -0400
From: Barbara B <babs@sgenab.cc.geneseo.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: LTE 2 Cravings
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990617084630.006bc2e8@sgenab.cc.geneseo.edu>
>-Nicole/Kirby
>
>/me looks at Babs and shrugs... Guess we'll have to keep waiting. At
least I got my confirmation email today. :)
Yep, me too. And dig this, being the faithful dum-dum that I am (snort)
decide to go ahead and pre-order Planet X through CDNow. To top it off, I
also decide to order Chroma Key through there to get a message that it's
sold out and I've been placed on backorder. What can I say, I have big
dreams of earning enough "points" to get a CDNow t-shirt (sarcasm).
Babs
BTW, I heard a really cool song on 97 Rock (out of Buffalo, NY) the other
night. It was called "Ripple" and sounded like Marillion, but I assume was
Genesis. My question is that I could not tell if it was Peter Gabriel
singing or Phil Collins. Can anybody enlighten me?
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 21:30:00 -0400
From: Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Fifteen Sixteen
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990615213000.00708550@popserver.panix.com>
[ptacek]
> You need to decode the MP3 first in order for it to maintain pitch
> level, I believe. The two best programs for what you're talking about
> (it's generally referred to as "time stretch") are Cool Edit and Sound
> Forge. You can find them on warez or get by with demo copies, or spend
> way too much money on them.
At the risk of being redundant again... but anyway, also there's a working
win-32 port of pvoc here: http://www.panix.com/~jens/stuff/pvoc.exe . It's
free, and despite being a bit inefficient, it doubles the length (without
affecting the pitch, and without chopping-type artifacts) 2 megabytes of
44100/stereo audio in about a minute on a P300.. invoke it, weirdly
enough, with "pvoc -N2048 -T2.0 -Yinfile.wav -0outfile.wav"
Interestingly, MP3 is already a spectral format so stretching an MP3 file
maybe could be done real time. But not as a winamp plugin I think because
you'd need to access the raw spectral stream and the winamp plugs are hooked
in after it's decoded. I think.
> > Just wondering if anyone out there, preferably someone who plays keys,
> > knows of any good exercises for playing faster (I know, practice!).
>
> I'm not a keyboardist but it strikes me that you pretty much have
> to do exactly what a guitarist or bassist has to do to get fast. Practice
> long hours, and repetetive exercises to build strength and coordination.
> You don't need someone else's exercises. Just play scales and arpeggios
> in every key, maybe one or 2 keys a day. You won't get fast unless you
> put in a lot of hours. You can always get Rudess's vid, but he'll
> probably say the same thing. Practice, and be consistent and you'll get
> fast. METRONOME!
Of course. But this sounds suspiciously like WORK, and technique is the
easy way out, really! For every hour of practice one can put in, every
level of mechanical speed and accuracy one can achieve, I always imagine a
couple of *hundred* 13-year-old students in China that can do the same
thing while standing on their head and flying a kite.
FWIW my advice to any keyboardists would be to sacrifice some finger speed,
at least a LITTLE, and practice using their ears! But that's just me. I've
been known to be spectacularly wrong, occasionally, like many other people. :)
> Right on. But if it feels like a triplet feel in 5, shouldn't the
> time sig be 5/4 or 5/8 or something? A triplet feel wouldn't generally be
> 15 different notes... you would normally expect some repetition.
15 is one of those numbers that just screams to be broken in primes. FWIW
one of my favorite examples of 5*3/16 is the middle section of UK's
"Carrying no Cross". (Bozzio on drums.. who else)
--- Jens. (offline) <jens@panix.com> (http://www.panix.com/~jens/)------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 06:38:28 -0700 From: "Michael Patrick" <civilwar@my-deja.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Magna Carta lately Message-ID: <PHAJPIMOJMLJEAAA@my-deja.com>
>LTE2 just kicks all kinds of ass
True.
>Dali's Dilemma rocks too
Also true.
>Ice Age rules
Head over to the Perpetual Motion board, where everyone there is pissing themselves over Ice Age. As a rule, if people there are unenthusiastic about somehting, it's either 1) INSANELY GREAT (i.e. they've misse the boat) or 2) is the worst thing every recorded (in which case their lack of enthusiasm is accurate). If they rave about something, stay away. Very far away. Guess you know where I fall on Ice Age.
Mike
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:43:58 +0200 From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: long hair, The Doors, & labels Message-ID: <v04020a01b38ea7260567@[192.168.1.1]>
Hi there,
>Mike Portnoys long hair :( >Where is it ??? >Why he cut it??
Well, it worked for Metallica and Queensryche, so he wanted to give it a try. Actually it's just more comfortable, especially while being on tour. I really liked the middle-long cut he got first, he was looking like Animal more than ever back then ;-)
> I think the Doors had a lot of similar ideas to what prog musicians >have, they just didn't call it prog back then.
After listening to the demos for L.A. Woman the late Paul Rothchild called it "bar music" and refused to produce the album. How's that for a label? Progressive bar music. Maybe he was right, but then Riders On The Storm is the greatest bar music song of all time.
If you call Pink Floyd progressive, then The Doors definitely were, too. Just like Deep Purple and many others.
Steffen -- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@westend.com)
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:53:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Chew <schew@tislabs.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4913 Message-ID: <199906171453.KAA27664@clipper.gw.tislabs.com>
>Steve Chew wrote: >>2112 -- I was listening to this top 500 countdown and this song came on and >>it just kept going and going and it told this cool story about this >>guy who wanted to play the guitar in this future society that hated >>free expression and it must have been 20 minutes! I love it! >>We have assumed control! > >I hope you're not the old-timer Steve Chew who was a frequent poster, like, >5 years ago. If you are, you should know this epic is by one of the >greatest bands out there -- Rush! If not, um... I guess you know now. :) >
Yeah, it's me. That whole message was really just a joke, poking fun at the initiation into long songs that most of us go through. :-)
Steve
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:56:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Chew <schew@tislabs.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Long songs... Message-ID: <199906171456.KAA27914@clipper.gw.tislabs.com>
>>I hope you're not the old-timer Steve Chew who was a frequent poster, like, >>5 years ago. If you are, you should know this epic is by one of the >>greatest bands out there -- Rush! If not, um... I guess you know now. :) > >All that post was written from the perspective of the neophyte. It's all in >character, of course he knows who Rush is, there's a lot of ironic humor in >what he writes. I found the whole post to be rather funny, and accurate. >
Yeah! I'm glad that at least Emperor Palpatine noticed the intended humor in the post. :-)
Steve
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:14:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Chew <schew@tislabs.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Passion Play Message-ID: <199906171514.LAA29526@clipper.gw.tislabs.com>
> >>Passion Play (Jethro Tull) -- Another album that's only ONE song. Sheesh, >>that Ian Anderson guy loves his long songs... I had to buy two >>versions of the CD since the first one had a break in the middle >>where the original album had to be turned over. My new CD just >>has one 42 minute track. Cool! > >Actualy the album has 3 tracks: "Passion Play" (about 15-20 min.), "The >Story Of The Hare Who Has Lost His Spectacles" (the funny fairy tale) and >"End", which is the conclusion of "Passion Play". You're probably refering >to Thick As A Brick, which indeed was splitted on the vynil version. >
Well, there may be other versions of the CD out there, but my version of the Passion Play CD has only a single 42 minute track. The original release of the CD had two tracks which preserved the artificial break that the album had in the middle of the Hare story. You're right of course about the "song" really being split into two halves by the "intermission" (ie. the Story of the Hare...). The whole album was presented as a kind of play, with the booklet looking like a playbill, listing the members of the band as actors and so on. It's all tongue-in-cheek. My version of Thick as a Brick still preserves the artificial break in the middle where the first album side ended. I'd like to find a version where there wasn't a gap at that point. Having the whole thing as a single track is a bit of a pain though, if you ever want to find a particular section. I guess it would be nice to have separate tracks which ran together without a gap so the two sides flowed more smoothly.
Steve
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:58:35 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: The Doors / Anathema / Amorphis Message-ID: <37691B2B.BC306468@home.com>
I said: > OK, that's all for know. Feel free to discuss.
D'oh! Make that "that's all for now". Whew, glad I corrected that before the grammer nazis got me!
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I said: > AND, on a related note, I want somebody's opinion on this: > > Does anybody think that The Doors were (at least on some songs) somewhat > > progessive?
Mike replied: > I think the Doors had a lot of similar ideas to what prog musicians > have, they just didn't call it prog back then.
Exactly! You took the words right out of my mouth! I'm glad I'm not the only one. Anybody else agree?
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Graham Boyle said: > I can also high recommend the new Anathema 'Judgement' CD, IMO the best > album from a British band in the last few years. > Also currently enjoying the brilliance of new Amorphis
Is the new Anathema disc out already? Or do you have some kind of advance copy?! Is it as good as Alternative 4 and Eternity (the only two I currently have)?
As for Amorphis' Tuonela, that disc does kick some ass, but I think I like Elegy a little better.
NP: Ice Age- The Great Divide
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:04:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Crimnson Sunset Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.990617120116.12288A-100000@sparkie.gnofn.org>
I get the chills BIG TIME whenever I listen to it. Here is a little story about the power of that song: I was driving this guy back to school one day and I had ACOS playing in my car. He said he didn't like DT because "There aren't enough words."-? his fav band is Corn Bizkit that type of shit. Anyway, I wasn't aware that his father had passed away a few years ago. By the end of the song he ways crying really bad. Who says DT doesn't have any emotion in their songs.
Kurt
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:19:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> Subject: Re: Derek does clinics in Mexico, earthquake hits... Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.990617131738.42334E-100000@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
Damn! He was giving aclinic in Puebla?!!! Not exactly the most proper city to go.....(not because of the earthquake.....). He should do some clinics in Monterrey, or Mexico city or Guadalajara at least. Anyone has a clinic itinerary, if there is such thing?
Mauricio
On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Carlos A. Alfaro wrote:
> > > A reportedly violent earthquake hit Mexico (this morning i believe) > I hope our mexican jammers are allright , i wonder if derek was down there > during the quake, or was he going to travel back and forth each day ( i > doubt it) ( he had a clinic in Puebla yesterday (15th) and that is the most > affected part of mexico...and has one scheduled for today as well... > > >
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:15:07 EDT From: DrummerEsh@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4913 Message-ID: <348acc0f.249aa33b@aol.com>
In a message dated 6/17/99 3:13:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
<< Does anyone know if there is a site where I can download some of the songs Herb's has played on other than Primus. I have looked but I drew a blank. Thanks DavidC >>
You can find samples on this web page......http://www.alfheim.net/~age/tim/index.html...........its all about Tim "Herb" Alexander
-Esh http://www.phosphenes.com
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:36:42 PDT From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: mumbai! Message-ID: <19990617193642.63852.qmail@hotmail.com>
kinda like Banzai! except it doesn't mean anything, and like Rahul beat me to saying, that's like, the official name of the city formerly known as bombay these days, and like someone else gamely tried to point out is NOT the capital of India.....gamely because the guy forgot to put the NEW in front of Delhi which would correctly identify the proper Capital City of the great, nuclear-enhanced but with plenty of other flaws too, nation of India....
awright, where to begin?? Aloo means potato in Bengali, too, for what its worth, "vind" kinda gets at "bhindi" which refers to okra, but as has been demonstrated, a vindaloo is neither a potato nor an okra, so I'm talking out my ass at this point....
about the FAQ-wars....Ptacek said it all already.....except for this: i think this episode is proof of the kindler attitude of the Ytsejam these days, cuz when I saw Jason's post (the repost of eveything that preceded it) and 5 more jams inhabiting my in-box, i was thinking something along the lines of, "oh, shit"
so give yourself a pat on the back for whatever modicum of restraint you've shown, and......
i remain
partha sarathi mukhopadhyay
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 14:36:09 -0500 From: bplumb@pi-r-squared.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Crimnson Sunset Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990617193609.006dcb40@pi-r-squared.com>
At 10:09 AM 6/17/99 -0700, you wrote: > >I get the chills BIG TIME whenever I listen to it. >Here is a little story about the power of that song: >I was driving this guy back to school one day and I had ACOS playing in my >car. He said he didn't like DT because "There aren't enough words."-? >his fav band is Corn Bizkit that type of shit. Anyway, I wasn't aware that >his father had passed away a few years ago. By the end of the song he ways >crying really bad. Who says DT doesn't have any emotion in their songs.
I've always felt that the most emotion in the song was at the end of Carpe Diem when they go into the odd time with the heavy snare content (~Preparing for her flight~). THat part really shook me up the first time I heard it, and the (well I don't wanna start a flame war here...).. well I was listening to the original and the "Please Don't Go!" right after that part had AMAZING emotion on the part of James, and the way they jumped into Darkest of Winters right after that was INTENSE.
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:44:44 GMT From: Isaac Trumbo <inferno_one@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: improv and jp Message-ID: <19990617214445.37116.qmail@hotmail.com>
i hate saying this cause i dig petrucci so much (obviously), but i guess what i find lacking in his playing is that he seems to play all his improvisational lines over scale fragments.. he just plays really really fast over a very limited scope of the neck e.g. the solo on OiaLT.. it's just a buncha speed picking.. it's lacks fluidity.. so yes.. i agree with chris.. it's not necessarily a bad thing cause improv doesn't seem to be one of his musical aspirations.. JP is a god of composition but put him in a jam situation and it's not the same guitarist..
anyways.. i sitting here dressed like a fireman, hat and all, so flame on..
inferno NP:
>My point is that most LTE stuff seems >to be prewritten, as are almost all of JP's solos. This doesn't mean >thay're bad... I had a long discussion with Gary from Shadow >Gallery about >the merits of composed solos and improvised solos... it all comes down to >what seems most appropriate to the player. JP isn't the kind of guitarist >who can improv like he writes. It's not been a goal of his
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:52:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Chew <schew@tislabs.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: LTE2 on the way! Message-ID: <199906172152.RAA00358@clipper.gw.tislabs.com>
Woohoo, CDNow has shipped LTE2!!
Thank you for shopping at CDNOW... On Jun. 16 we shipped your order...
Liquid Tension Experiment : Vol. 2-Liquid Tension Experime Format: CD Quantity: 1 Price: 11.19
Ice Age : Great Divide Format: CD Quantity: 1 Price: 12.49
Fleming & John : Way We Are Format: CD Quantity: 1 Price: 13.99
Now I won't have to sustain myself with just reviews...
Steve
P.S. Does anyone else out there like Fleming & John? I love their vocals and the music has some good melodic guitar work. It's not prog-rock, but it's good music. :) I'm hoping the new album will be as good as the previous one.
-- Steve Chew - schew@tis.com - http://www.interzone.com There is only one success - to be able to spend your life in your own way -- Christopher Morley
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 15:55:00 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: WTF? Message-ID: <003201b7ff5a$0ed72be0$0201010a@magiclink.magiclink.com>
Check out what I just got in my inbox minutes ago from CDNow:
>Unfortunately, the following item(s) from order number 9267013 have >recently been deleted from our catalog and have been cancelled from your >order:
>DALI'S DILEMMA/MANIFESTO FOR FUTURISM (CD)
I suppose you lucky bastages who actually DID get this CD should hang onto them. :P Blah. I guess I'm gonna have to actually fork out big bucks for it now. Damn. -- KorgX3
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