YTSEJAM Digest 4945
Today's Topics:
1) music stores whinings ...
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
2) Proud jammers
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
3) Re: Song names, cool albums
by bplumb@pi-r-squared.com
4) Re: sands and sounds shifting beneath your feet
by bplumb@pi-r-squared.com
5) another dimension
by "Brian" <brianja@erols.com>
6) Re: METAL on MTV! Vote for AMORPHIS....URGENT!!!!!
by "Mike Patrick" <mvpatrick@home.com>
7) Amorphis - answered my own question...
by "Mike Patrick" <mvpatrick@home.com>
8) Re: Watch Out For...
by Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
9) Woah....Was it Metallica?
by Compadre32@aol.com
10) {NDTC} New RUSH mailing list!
by "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@antonia.webhost.cl>
11) Re: Amorphis - answered my own question...
by Jay Omega <jomega@legarto.minn.net>
12) Re: Watch out for...
by MentolPyro@aol.com
13) Ytse-Radio related
by trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
14) Voices
by WoodyTJ34@aol.com
15) Opeth and Amorphis (was: Re: Amorphis - answered my own question...)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@iname.com>
16) NEED MORE LTE!!!!!
by Thor Bremer <odinson9@hotmail.com>
17) Dali's
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@yahoo.com>
18) Re: Dali's
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:57:14 +0200
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: music stores whinings ...
Message-ID: <3775F57A.E3097BDF@mol.com.mk>
> From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
>
> Let's say you're just getting into Phil Collins. Wouldn't it be
> easier to put Brand X under Phil and cross-reference it to Brand X
> in the jazz section?
Nope! :) Brand X wasn't anywhere in the jazz section.
Should Peter Gabriel be next to all time Genesis albums just because he
was member?
People who know this music don't need that kind of help, they know how
is PG and what is Genesis.
Brand X and Phil Collins solo carrier are totaly different turns, cleary
distinctive and should not be connected!
I thought stores are supposed to put music in genres ordered shelfs?
That's how folks usually search for albums! You like jazz you go to jazz
section.
Think of it like this: I am customer, and if incidentlly didn't see
Brand X in the pop section I would leave the store and deprived them
from my money. :) Simple as that!
I might blowed this thing over the limit. Apologies :)
-- CyberDuke ________________________________________"Lisa, get away from that jazzer!" - Simpsons ________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 14:38:15 +0200 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Proud jammers Message-ID: <37761B37.9771013C@mol.com.mk>
> Date: 23 Jun 99 03:00:15 -0400 > From: Jose Enrique Ralat Ballester <jralat@coqui.net> > Hey jammers, > I came to a conclusion, everybody has their own point of view
OK so should we make that clear for some 50 jams more and continue to fill our egos? :(
> yadda yadda which makes me proud of the jam.
..brain all over my room wall.
> It's nice to know that there are still people out there who > know about music, despite all of the crap out there.
Yeah but the crap in here will choke us! :)
The last 30 jams were a nightmare! Someone said the jam will get back to cute nice mode once LTE2 gets released? Buy a gun! ;) -- CyberDuke ________________________________________
"Lisa, get away from that jazzer!" - Simpsons ________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 14:02:39 -0500 From: bplumb@pi-r-squared.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Song names, cool albums Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990627190239.012aca98@pi-r-squared.com>
At 03:12 AM 6/27/99 -0700, you wrote: > > Heh, I was just listening to Megadeath "Tornado of Souls" and "Symphony of >Destruction" >and thinking to myself how they get away with such cool names. > > Someone said newbies to Pink Floyd should get Pulse, but I think basically anyone >who >doesn't have Dark Side of the moon should get it. I mean that is like THE album. No >other >album has as much integrity as DSOM. I mean, everyone likes it from my Mum, to >teenie >boppers to those of cultivated taste like you and me :) Then again, you do miss >out on >some other good songs, especially Wish You Were Here and some off the Wall, >but you can get them later.
Personally, my fav Floyd is Wish You Were Here but you are correct in asserting that Dark Side is a good starting point. It was the first Floyd album I listened to.. and on a system with nice surround sound no less... hoo boy what an experience. I had never heard anything like it, and it really gave me the creeps at the time. However, nothing beats the melancholy rememberances of Wish You Were Here... there is so much emotion on that album.
Palpatine "Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "Perhaps god gave the answers to those with nothing to say"- Savatage: Somewhere in time "So You're saying that in your scientific opinion, Bess McNeil died from an overdose of... being good..?" -Breaking the Waves
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 14:05:30 -0500 From: bplumb@pi-r-squared.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: sands and sounds shifting beneath your feet Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990627190530.012afee8@pi-r-squared.com>
> > But the fact is that I tend to prefer the "ensemble" > impression that I get from the I&W era. >
THat's how I felt/feel too. I mean on I&W you can hear the whole band playing together doing really intricate and complex shit, on Awake the only one doing anything really creative and out there most of the time is Petrucci. Doesn't matter though... imo Awake is a mood album, it's about the songs and not the playing, and that's why I think Derek is way off in implying that DT lacks fire and soul... I think he's referring to that in a jamming sense, and... despite what a lot of the media believes DT's not about jamming. If you want that, listen to LTE.. or even Planet X.
Palpatine "Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "Perhaps god gave the answers to those with nothing to say"- Savatage: Somewhere in time "So You're saying that in your scientific opinion, Bess McNeil died from an overdose of... being good..?" -Breaking the Waves
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 15:19:41 -0400 From: "Brian" <brianja@erols.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: another dimension Message-ID: <001401bec0d2$1233c380$4cc2accf@brian>
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Anybody notice that starting around 0:55 of another dimension on LTE2 = that the band is playing a riff which sounds like "another dimension"? = Maybe thats why they named it that.....just a thought...
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 14:35:20 -0400 From: "Mike Patrick" <mvpatrick@home.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: METAL on MTV! Vote for AMORPHIS....URGENT!!!!! Message-ID: <004b01bec0cb$cfd528e0$6da20418@CT466024-A.nblvil1.in.home.com>
>Well.....as I had it on in the background I nearly had a heart attack >when I heard Matt Pinfield mention AMORPHIS!!!!!! and they played the >video for "Divinity" from their latest album "Tuonela" (hail!)
OK, go easy on me. I thought Amorphis was death-metal. Is that not true? I mean,'Divinity' has a high 'hummability quotient' - with only a split second of Cookie Monster rearing his furry head. Musically, (guitars, mostly) it sounded very Queensryche-ish.
And a mid-range singer who doesn't strain at all? Are you sure you can even call this metal? Just kidding...
Mike
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 14:39:51 -0400 From: "Mike Patrick" <mvpatrick@home.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Amorphis - answered my own question... Message-ID: <004d01bec0cc$76bb4b80$6da20418@CT466024-A.nblvil1.in.home.com>
Yeah, all it took was two minuts listening to clips at CDNow to figure out that Amorphis is decidedly NOT death metal - don't know where I got that impression from.
What it is, is good. Pretty catchy stuff. Tell me more...
Mike
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 15:43:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Watch Out For... Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.990627154139.26433A-100000@sparkie.gnofn.org>
The Correct date for Megadeth "Risk" is Aug. 31st
also in Aug. is Sevendust "Home" on the 24th and a band called Double Drag that has a CD coming out on the 17th.
NP:Soulfly-Bring the Shit! Bumba! ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** @----'--,--- ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** "I remember Now" "Rodney King, what the hell is that supposed to mean? He's that guy." Airheads ************************************************************************
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 17:37:11 EDT From: Compadre32@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Woah....Was it Metallica? Message-ID: <86f7682e.24a7f387@aol.com>
I was watching something on eMpTyV about the KROQ weenie roast and it showed a brief clip of Metallica playing "Sad But True" ...and guess what startled me....all of their hair was long again...it was pretty interesting....i know this means absolutely nothing in regards to their musical direction, but it could be an indicator that they might be loosening up again.
-Compadre32
np: LTE2
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 17:46:23 -0400 (CLT) From: "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@antonia.webhost.cl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: {NDTC} New RUSH mailing list! Message-ID: <199906272146.RAA25119@antonia.webhost.cl>
Hi all.
As you probably already know, _The National Midnight Star_ has been dead for at least two months, and no one knows why (at least I don't, and nobody I know does either). This is why I've decided to set up a new mailing list to fill this void: it's called _Transient National Midnight Star_ (this name reflects that's a temporary solution, at least until we know what happened to good ol' TNMS), and has BOTH bounce and digest mode.
To subscribe to the bounce version, send a message to tnms-request@majordomo.webhost.cl stating "subscribe tnms" (without the quotes, of course) in the body.
To subscribe to the digest version, send a message to tnms-digest-request@majordomo.webhost.cl stating "subscribe tnms-digest" in the body.
Unlike old TNMS, this mailing list will be unmoderated.
You are welcome to subscribe to it right away.
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 17:55:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Jay Omega <jomega@legarto.minn.net> To: Just Words <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Amorphis - answered my own question... Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9906271742310.24427-100000@legarto.minn.net>
On Sun, 27 Jun 1999, Mike Patrick wrote: > Yeah, all it took was two minuts listening to clips at CDNow to figure out > that Amorphis is decidedly NOT death metal - don't know where I got that > impression from. > > What it is, is good. Pretty catchy stuff. Tell me more...
More: AFAIK, Tuonela is the only album with the "standard" metal sound; their earlier releases are death metal. Good death metal, but death metal. (I have Tuonela, Elegy, and Tales From The Thousand Lakes). Elegy and TFTTL are concept albums based on Finnish folklore, and (for the most part) stick to the standard prog-metal instrumentation (guitar/ keys/drums/bass). Tuonela adds some guest musicians playing flute (1 track) and sax (2 tracks), and has the guitarist playing sitar on one track. Oh, the death vocals remain on one track, too.
--Jay "plays this stuff on Ytseradio" Omega --NP: The Gathering - Nighttime Birds
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 19:03:26 EDT From: MentolPyro@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Watch out for... Message-ID: <853725b4.24a807be@aol.com>
Arash A. wrote: << SEPTEMBER
Savatage - (I've forgott the name)
DECEMBER : Rush - Live video (Different Stages) >>
First of all, and sorry for not having as much interest in the others, but where can this info be found?? I HOPE the Savatage one is true, but it says nothing about it on the "official" web site (www.savatage.com), altho the latest addition to the What's New section was in February. And don't forget the latest Trans-Siberian Orchestra effort, Beethoven's Last Night, for release in January of 2000.
Also the RUSH video. I've been reading the RUSH newsgroup for awhile now and haven't heard anything more than speculation about this video. If someone else could confirm either the Savatage or RUSH upcoming releases, please do!! Arash has gotten me very excited!
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 19:31:23 -0700 (PDT) From: trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ytse-Radio related Message-ID: <19990628023123.16135.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com>
Okie, the fine folks that run the Ytseradio station can probably help me. How would someone go about setting up my own internet radio station? Anyone know? I 'm asking b/c a friend of mine was intruiged by the notion. Thanks everyone. === *Trent
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 22:41:08 EDT From: WoodyTJ34@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Voices Message-ID: <8760131c.24a83ac4@aol.com>
I heard that Voices: A tribute to Dream Theater will be out in a couple of months. I haven't heard who is on the album or what songs will be there. If anyone know, or has a web site that gives me this info, please let me know. Thanks, TW
"I sit down with my son, set to see the Crimson Sunset"
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 18:19:31 -0300 From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@iname.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Opeth and Amorphis (was: Re: Amorphis - answered my own question...) Message-ID: <19990627181931.A9031@iname.com>
On Jun 27 1999, Mike Patrick wrote: > Yeah, all it took was two minuts listening to clips at CDNow to > figure out that Amorphis is decidedly NOT death metal - don't know > where I got that impression from.
Exactly. They *ARE* not Death Metal (look at the tense of the verb). They *WERE* Death Metal.
> What it is, is good. Pretty catchy stuff. Tell me more...
If you like what you heard (I don't know what you heard, obviously), then you might perhaps like their EP called "My Kantele". It's got only only, say, 5% of death metal growls (very deep grows, BTW). The rest consists only of clean vocals.
But if you'd like to experience some of the most beautiful acoustic passages you might have the chance to hear, I can't help but recommend you Opeth. :-) They are my preferred band mixing 70s progressive rock, 80s heavy metal, 90s extreme metal, classical music (in the long, calm acoustic parts) and some bits of jazz (mostly noticeable in the drumming). A band that creates something remarkably unique, with albums very rich of influences (well, perhaps not that unique now, for many others have discovered the style, if you know what I mean).
I'd recommend "Morningrise" as a starting point, but some people might have problems with it -- every single song is beyond the 10 minute mark and one of them has 20 minutes. Extremely beautiful work. And also unfortunately sad that such hard-working and creative bands will never see the highly deserved success and have their efforts noted and rewarded.
So, if you don't have problems with some death metal vocals here and there (and they're quite sparse, indeed), you might perhaps like to discover a new dimension musically with these bands (and some others doing creative melodic death metal -- fresh music in the same sense that Dream Theater does).
Both are recommended.
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 22:21:20 PDT From: Thor Bremer <odinson9@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NEED MORE LTE!!!!! Message-ID: <19990628052120.7054.qmail@hotmail.com>
Does anybody know if LTE is going to record again? Two records is far too little for me. I love listening to jamming, pure and simple. It must be good jamming, such as LTE. I like jazz a lot, but it doesn't have the energy that Prog Rock has. It must be late.
Thor
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 22:32:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@yahoo.com> To: DT list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Dali's Message-ID: <19990628053244.10736.rocketmail@web106.yahoomail.com>
>As with any good prog album, Dali's Dilemma does take a few listens before >you "get the point". I love the CD now. I got that Magna Carta sampler >quite a while back to check out the Dali's tune and the Ice Age demo track. >Both "Ashen Days" and "Join" took a while but once I "got it"...WOW! And >now I'm wading thru the Ice Age CD the same way. It takes a while but once >your mind "gets it"...
Well when I first listened to I&W I was blown away. There's been others too, like Shadow Gallery and POO (Power of Omens) for instance. There was so much pro-Dali's on here that I expected more. I guess the popularity of prog metal has caused this. Either that or Dr Mosh (mentioned on the Dali's disc BTW) has been using his psychic powers on people.
NP:Dokken-Erase the Slate
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:16:35 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Dali's Message-ID: <199906280616.XAA11438@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Pat Daugherty thus begged: > >Well when I first listened to I&W I was blown away. There's been others too, >like Shadow Gallery and POO (Power of Omens) for instance. There was so much
Actually, POO, when I first heard it, I thought it was just terrible, the overplaying on it is ridiculous by the drummer... but, once you get past the caffeine overloaded drummer, the songs themselves aren't so bad.
>pro-Dali's on here that I expected more. I guess the popularity of prog >metal has caused this. Either that or Dr Mosh (mentioned on the Dali's disc >BTW) has been using his psychic powers on people.
When I first heard the Dali's material, back when it was Chaos Theory, about 2 1/2 years ago, it was great stuff... but I mean, 2-4 years since this stuff was written it was finally released!! No thanks to Magna Carta of course.
The new stuff is much more edgy... Will be interesting to hear it when it's completed.
-The Doc
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