YTSEJAM Digest 4949
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4948
by DWilk46577@aol.com
2) Re: When the Roger Waters breaks.
by Mathew.KOSHY@st.com
3) Re: Bahr bootleg question
by "Timothy P. Shough" <tpshou01@athena.louisville.edu>
4) Thanks to Gravity
by "J." <kube@nh.ultranet.com>
5) Savatage Album / LTE2
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
6) Chapman Stick (12 String) for sale
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
7) Words and illuminations
by T Ismail Reza <lukalama@rad.net.id>
8) Pink Floyd ..... When the Waters Breaks
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
9) Forgotten songs on LTE2
by "Neil Evans" <progmtl@pacbell.net>
10) Liquid Tension Leftovers
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
11) PF
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
12) ThrottleBox II "The Return of the Phantom"
by Michael Zachariadis <mzahar@cc.uoa.gr>
13) Dominic Miller
by "Robert A. Jurado, MPH" <rojurado@pacific.net.ph>
14) Jeff Waters and the resurgance of METAL!!!
by Outlander 99 <outlander28@hotmail.com>
15) Re: Terminal Frost
by "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
16) Dali's Dilemma
by "Nafe, Tim" <Tim.Nafe@BestBuy.com>
17) Korgy's Animals
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
18) Re: Korgy's Animals
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
19) Dokken going prog?
by "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com>
20)
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
21) Pink Floyd Recommendations
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:50:11 EDT
From: DWilk46577@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4948
Message-ID: <1c127e44.24a98e63@aol.com>
In a message dated 6/28/99 7:36:52 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
ytsejam@ax.com writes:
I would just about
KILL for a Johansson/Sheehan/Portnoy/Petrucci project too!!!
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:55:54 +0800
From: Mathew.KOSHY@st.com
Subject: Re: When the Roger Waters breaks.
Message-ID: <H000026d0261dd8d@MHS>
>>Korg confessed:
>>though, I've this tendency to harp about Animals...
>
>As we have LONG suspected.......
>Oh, I'm sorry, he was talking about music, right?
>Yeah, right.
>
>/me wonders which of the "Animals" is Korg's favorite. :)
It could be the Pigs (Three different ones ), Dogs or even Sheep.
Not to forget the Pigs on the Wings .....
matt
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:59:20 -0400
From: "Timothy P. Shough" <tpshou01@athena.louisville.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Bahr bootleg question
Message-ID: <37783688.50C7@athena.louisville.edu>
Nicholas Giannotti begs:
> . someone PLEASE make an mp3 of this for me!
Trust us...you really don't want to hear it! I don't know for sure that
it's Bahr, but I'm certain it's not Myung. It's that bad. Anyway, if
you really must hear it, I'm sure someone could make an mp3. Better
yet, you could get a copy of that Prism masterpiece Subconscious for
yourself. :)
> >> always found it difficult to believe that the horrendous acoustic piece
> >> on Subconscious titled "Experimental" was actually Myung.
> >
> >Actually, I believe that acoustic noodling was in fact Bahr himself
> noodling
> >on the guitar trying to pass himself off as Myung. Very poorly I might add
> >as well.
> >--KorgX3
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:52:36 -0400
From: "J." <kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Thanks to Gravity
Message-ID: <001201bec1e2$d47a3120$47b3b4cf@tiac.net>
If you are interested in finding MP3s for TTG... its very difficult because
TTG is now considered "indie" again, it is very hard to find them anywhere.
My suggestions are:
1. www.aware.com
2. www.cduniverse.com
3. www.newberry.com
If you want a suggestion of an album to buy, I suggest "Slingshot". This
album is a re-recording of all of their "best" songs from their first 4
albums (on the indie label Playhard) Aware is the record company that
produced this album. Aware is known for "discovering" Matchbox 20, Hootie
and the Blowfish, Ben Folds 5 etc. Slingshot was recorded in a church in
Portsmouth NH, the result is the most "full" sound that I think that I have
ever heard. Well worth picking up. My rating is a 9.5 You can purchase
the album off of www.thankstogravity.com
Later, J
Jeremy Kube
kube@nh.ultranet.com
inflammabl@aol.com
"This Job would rule if it weren't for the f*$king customers!" Randall in
"Clerks"
"Sex is death, death is sex, it says it right here on my crucifix" Voices.
DT
"I love how financial aid offices always figure that you are rich when they
decide how much money that you'll get for school." Me 1999
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 00:46:51 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Savatage Album / LTE2
Message-ID: <37784FBB.B1CCF763@home.com>
Kurt Hampton said:
> I also heard that Savatage was dropped by Atlantic and picked
> up by Meatl blade. Also here are a few other tidbits abuot the new album:
> Zak and Jon are splitting the vocals 50/50. and the album is the heaviest
> thing they have done. No keyboards or piano. Straight metal. It is not a
> concept album either.
Did Caffery say this?
I've heard some conflicting stuff......
I BELIEVE (not sure) that Atlantic WAS going to drop them, but because
of the success of the Trans-Siberian Orchestra stuff they're not going
to anymore. Also, I read that Jon is going to sing only two songs, Jon
and Zak are going to sing 2-3 songs together (as a duet or whatever),
and Zak is going to sing the rest. As far as it being heavier, yes Jon
did say that. I however didn't hear that there would be no keys on
it.... man, I hope this isn't true! Lastly, I know you're correct about
it NOT being a concept album (Jon's written 5 consecutive concept
albums, the last two Sava discs, and all 3 TSO discs).
Robert Sindermann said:
> Uhm, did you know that LTE2 is No. 8 in the Billboard internet cd sales =
> chart?? It's kinda surreal seeing them among the likes of Ricky Martin =
> and The Backstreet Boys... Man, talk about a cult following. Fuck, yeah!
Another cool thing: At the local Media Play stores, they have a little
"shelf talker" sale sign on LTE2! :)
Later peoples,
- Joe DeAngelo
jdeangelo@home.com ICQ # 1872723
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"Our worlds collide, now in disguise
You'll feel the Wrath Divine
Tears of woe fall from the sky..."
- Symphony X, "The Divine Wings of Tragedy"
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:52:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Chapman Stick (12 String) for sale
Message-ID: <199906290452.XAA17536@adam.enteract.com>
Hey folks, I thought I'd give the jam the first crack at this:
Andy DeLuca (ex-Symphony X, etc) is selling his 12 string
Chapman Stick, with hard shell flight-type case. Any interested parties
can write to andydeluca@hotmail.com for details. It's the exact same one
as Sean Malone and John Myung (hardware, wood, etc) in mint condition.
--Chris Ptacek - someone@prognosis.com "Everything that can be invented has been invented." -- Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899.
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:05:49 +0700 From: T Ismail Reza <lukalama@rad.net.id> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Words and illuminations Message-ID: <3778542C.AED0D32A@rad.net.id>
Wow! Thanks for the reply on the King Crimson mailing list! The Elephant Talk site IS amazing!
Well guys, it's kind of strange that when I have this sudden urge to play all of my KC (that's for King Crimson; not the sunshine band...); then suddenly there's people here on the Jam discussing this matter...ESP maybe? So this is some infos I got so far about this Freaks;
http://www.interx.net/~jgreen/index.html
The site is about the concept of their first four albums; from '69-'73 somethin'; Mind you; these are not JUST like Camel (or Moody Blues) if you consider the time contextuality and the hipness at that time... There is infact a lot of dark eeriness with these guys...read it in the site above! The keyboard + piano stuff; I think the one that is mistaken for (the God) Emerson is actually Keith Tippet. He consider himself as a Jazz pianist, but still he makes music with the Crimso' freaks...
Just spreading the words and illuminations... Reza!
np____________The Song of the Sea Goat; Peter Sinfield-Stillusion
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 01:23:00 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Pink Floyd ..... When the Waters Breaks Message-ID: <37785834.AA3AC3E3@home.com>
I said: > > Also, I think a good Pink Floyd album for a PF newbie might be PULSE, > > since it contains lots of their "classic" tunes.
David Dixon replied: > I disagree. I would say "The Wall" would be a better choice, not because it > is their best, but probably contains the most recognizable songs > ("Comfortably Numb", "Another Brick in the Wall" (mostly Part 2), "Hey You", > etc.). "PULSE" has these, but without Roger Waters, who sang, and wrote a > good portion of the music (and nearly all the lyrics).
Well, I think The Wall would be an excellent choice as well. It's definitely a classic (and better than Dark Side of the Moon, IMO). And you're correct: "Comfortably Numb" and "Hey You" are certainly two great (and recognizable) tunes! "Another Brick in the Wall" is a cool tune, and their most recognizable song.....but I've just heard it a little too much. Also, there's a few more very recognizable songs, "In the Flesh?"/"In the Flesh" (there's two different versions of the song on The Wall, if memory serves), and of course the ever-popular "Young Lust", and "Run Like Hell".
Mr. Korg said: > Call me stupid (alright, I hear it from here!), but I like Momentary Lapse > of Reason above all. Two words: "Terminal Frost." I dunno, but IMO, that > is one of the greatest rock instrumentals of all time.
I have to say that A Momentary Lapse of Reason is yet another great PF disc! And yes Korg, "Terminal Frost" is a great song! Also, "Learning to Fly" is arguably the most beautiful song I've EVER heard.
> Of the classic PF, though, I've this tendency to harp about Animals...
I've just gotten this disc, and only given it two listens thus far. It's pretty damn cool though! (lots of acoustic stuff for those of you who haven't heard it).
Another one I recently listened to a few tracks from (at a friend's house) is Meddle. Pretty neat disc, and rather bluesy.
David Dixon > My favorite live versions of many classic PF tunes are on "Delicate Sound of > Thunder". I am a Waters-era PF fan, but I think David Gilmour is by far a > better musician (and vocalist - face it, Roger really couldn't sing very > well), and he adds a creative touch that Roger couldn't match. "The > Division Bell" rocks, too.... :)
I agree again. Delicate Sound..., and The Division Bell are great too. Come to think of it..... I've never heard a BAD Pink Floyd disc. Is there any?
I think this little thread really demonstrates the beauty of Pink Floyd though. As you can see, we all seem to have a different Pink Floyd album (or albums) that really strike us as special. It's like there's a PF album for everybody out there! :-)
--
- Joe DeAngelo jdeangelo@home.com ICQ # 1872723 -------------------------------------------- "Our worlds collide, now in disguise You'll feel the Wrath Divine Tears of woe fall from the sky..." - Symphony X, "The Divine Wings of Tragedy" ---------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:35:25 -0700 From: "Neil Evans" <progmtl@pacbell.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Forgotten songs on LTE2 Message-ID: <003301bec1f9$936156c0$1107aace@default>
Brain Hansen wrote: >914 and Hourglass seem like the forgotten songs on >LTE2.
Since you mentioned it and singled out 914, let me say that I think Hourglass is a gorgeous song. But then I'm a sucker for guitar/piano duets anyway.
Anyone who doesn't yet own LTE2 is missing out. Great disc.
-Neil.
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 00:12:47 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Liquid Tension Leftovers Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA0F43EE@ms.kallback.com>
I know it's not technically DT, but I think the leftovers from LTEII would make a cool Christmas cd for the fan club. Unless the money grubbers at Magna Carta are going to release them. Whatdyasay Porntoy?
~Trevor
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 00:41:59 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: PF Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649016AE72C@messaging>
<<<< Come to think of it..... I've never heard a BAD Pink Floyd disc. Is there any? >>>>
Well, IMHO (and the HO of many a PF fan), "The Final Cut" blows (for PF's amazingly high standards - it is a DECENT album), and some may have different opinions about this one or other albums, but Pink Floyd still definitely kicks ass in all eras, from Syd to Roger to Dave.
P.S. Check out their solo albums, as well... :)
David
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:27:47 +0300 From: Michael Zachariadis <mzahar@cc.uoa.gr> To: Ytsejam List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: ThrottleBox II "The Return of the Phantom" Message-ID: <37788383.2348DAE6@cc.uoa.gr>
Hi jammers Yesterday I forgat to post the URL, sorry http://www.throttlebox.com go on now pay a visit. And if anyone has any problems with the player let me know.
Mike
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:14:47 +0700 From: "Robert A. Jurado, MPH" <rojurado@pacific.net.ph> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dominic Miller Message-ID: <37789C97.5147CA1@pacific.net.ph>
Sting did the guitars on "The Dream of the Blue Turtles" and "Bring on the Night". He used a number of different guitar players as well as himself on "Nothing Like the Sun". Dominic Miller played on subsequent Sting albums: Soul Cages, 10 Sum'ner's Tales, and Mercury Falling. Dominic Miller, I believe, played in World Party before his days with Sting.
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:39:02 EDT From: Outlander 99 <outlander28@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Jeff Waters and the resurgance of METAL!!! Message-ID: <19990629113903.22716.qmail@hotmail.com>
Damn! look at all these posts from my lists!....Its time to rise! MEtal IS back!!..to me it has never left but you know what i mean.
Ive been seeing alot about Annihilator on here as well as Testament. And I just wanted to say that on my first trip to LA...we went out looking for some action and ran smack into a club called Jezebels in Anaheim. A huge sige out front read "Tonight only Testament and Annihilator LIVE! So we go in and Annihilator is just taking the stage...i knew how to play "Stonewall" so I at least knew who they were. Anyway there was a major pit down front and the only way i can describe it is to say it was a professional pit. It had yellow rails around a bowl center with a ring of security dudes with yellow tees on who would sweep into the fray and snatch up the weak before they became trampled....hehe..then they would promptly THEROWWW their happy asses back into the shit!
Jeff was on stage thrashing like a demon with this weird-assed grin. He looked like a giant Dan Spitz <Anthrax>...this show forever cemented my love of his killer dist. then clean then dist. type of riffage.
Then Testament hit and all hell broke loose this tour was "Never neverland/The NEw Order BTW to let you know how old this was.
And before i start rambling here let me say it just dawned on me how when Alex left shit really changed...personally i think their new "death" stuff sucks ass.
But at least ALL of these bands we are discussing here are coming back WITH A FUCKING VENGEANCE!!!!!! Not to mention all of the newer bands that are just killin everyone with <Metal sweeps the land Pt. 2>
Outlander <grinning maliciously as Dicky Fartin-Backdoor Boyz-NStink-Tittney Spears---and limp Dick-it .....BURN! and fade away!!!
POP, you are dead like disco and hip-hop BE-FUCKIN-WARE!!! ITS TIME TO RISE!
And its about time!!!! Laterz all
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:06:12 +0200 From: "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr> To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Terminal Frost Message-ID: <00d401bec228$25fd7300$04e91dc3@sasa>
>From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
>Call me stupid (alright, I hear it from here!), but I like Momentary Lapse >of Reason above all. Two words: "Terminal Frost." I dunno, but IMO, that >is one of the greatest rock instrumentals of all time. Although, I really >dig pretty much all of PF's stuff, I find that album horribly addictive, >even though I know it rubs alot of the Waters-era fans the wrong way. >heheh. That sax solo in TF always makes my pants get tighter.
well, then I`m stupid also :-). That sax solo In Terminal Frost, those background female vocals... damn, I`m gonna put it on right now! And "Sorrow"... that`s one of my all time favorite songs, especially the live version on "Pulse". Absolutely brilliant!
about to play: Terminal Frost Sorrow
"Lifting shadows off a dream Once broken She can turn a drop of water Into an ocean..."
John Myung of Dream Theater ["Lifting Shadows Off A Dream"]
sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr ICQ UIN - 6098813
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:57:28 -0500 From: "Nafe, Tim" <Tim.Nafe@BestBuy.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Dali's Dilemma Message-ID: <B169DE1B1DD7D211A75D0008C791A3E72EA8C8@cs09mail.bestbuy.com>
Does anyone know if Dali's Dilemma is planning on touring? I cannot seem to find much information on the internet. I think seeing these guys live would be incredible.
Tim
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:10:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> To: A Mind Forever Ytse-ing <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Korgy's Animals Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990629100507.7494A-100000@gs.bass.org>
Kez postulated: >/me wonders which of the "Animals" is Korg's favorite.
Well, he's in Idaho, but the Potato isn't an Animal. I do hope Korg hasn't been doing anything baaaaad. ;)
/me shrugs sheepishly
/me can't be any subtler
paulW NP Bill Watrous Big Band: Space Available ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul's biweekly musical quote:
She just loves me/ for my big dictionary/ She wants my vocabulary/ complete from A to Z.
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 08:23:31 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Korgy's Animals Message-ID: <001a01b80889$002ed6a0$0201010a@chuck.meserver.com>
>Well, he's in Idaho, but the Potato isn't an Animal. I do hope Korg >hasn't been doing anything baaaaad. ;)
Actually, Sheep >is< my favorite song from Animals. hehehe. *bleat* GET BACK IN THERE!
Sodomy is bad, mmmkay? -- KorgX3 pipples his mossy feet.
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:52:49 -0400 From: "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Dokken going prog? Message-ID: <6D70903196D4D11190680008C728A61D016C20C3@HQEXS01>
Dokken have a new album out called Erase the Slate. Notice the instrumentation:
"Dokken: Jeff Pilson (vocals, acoustic guitar, piano, Mellotron, keyboards, bass); Mick Brown (vocals, drums, percussion); Don Dokken (vocals); Reb Beach (guitar)." Mellotron? That's new (for them). Of course I don't know how they can pull that off live -- one guy playing bass and keys. How does Geddy Lee handle that in a live setting?
--Zircon the Blue
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:19:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <19990629161933.29484.rocketmail@web105.yahoomail.com>
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:57:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Pink Floyd Recommendations Message-ID: <19990629165735.15748.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com>
I don't remember who originally asked for a Pink Floyd recommendation, but here's my take...
When talking about Floyd, you need to know that Floyd had 3 different phases:
1) Early 60's Psychedelic including Syd Barrett.
2) 70's, 80's Eventually totally Waters dominated.
3) 80's, 90's Post-Waters.
There was not a clean break from phase 1 to 2. After Barret left for the loony bin, they slowly evolved into something new. The biggest change came with the release of Dark Side of the Moon. That might be considered the real start of phase 2. Most people consider Phase 2 to be the "classic" Pink Floyd.
Some people consider the current, phase 3 line-up to be the equivelent of David Gilmour solo. (Which is not a bad thing) But if you listen to his actual "solo" albums, they really don't have the atmosphere of Floyd, even though they're still good.
Personally, I would recommend starting with the classic, phase 2 discs, in this order:
1. Dark Side of the Moon 2. Wish You Were Here 3. Animals 4. The Wall ...
Of course everyone tends to be biased towards the first album they get from a band, so the first Floyd album you get will probably be your favorite...
my $.02, BH
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