YTSEJAM Digest 4728
Today's Topics:
1) RE: YTSEJAM digest 4726
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
2) headphones-take 2
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
3) anderson, bruford, wakeman, howe
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
4) Fates Warning
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
5) Yes album
by VWgirlieVW@aol.com
6) mojoman beat me to it....
by VWgirlieVW@aol.com
7) JP clinic
by VWgirlieVW@aol.com
8) Right, I'm gonna vent.
by "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
9) Tori and Kate
by Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4727
by Daniel Beziz <danjohn@club-internet.fr>
11) Korg's thoughts on the "M" band (not Marillion)
by "Stone Korg" <korgx3@safelink.net>
12) Re: Good Head ~~~~~ phones
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
13) Re: Tori and Kate
by Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com>
14) Octobans
by Mehmet Cevat Ozyildirim <e495368@eelab.itu.edu.tr>
15) ABWH
by "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
16) Some cool stuff I got that you'll like
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4727
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
18) Korg ALMOST gets it Right & MusicSnob follows closely behind.......
by IceQD@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 01:57:33 -0800
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 4726
Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA0F3D9A@ms.kallback.com>
> Hi all,
> I know a lot of you queers are audiophiles and musicians, and I was
> hoping
> someone could give a recommendation on a really nice pair of
> headphones
> ($150 or less please). Al? ...or should that be Big Gay Al (South
> Park
> trivia: did you know that George Clooney played the dog in that
> episode?)
> Thanks,
> Biz
>
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 02:01:47 -0800
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: headphones-take 2
Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA0F3D9B@ms.kallback.com>
> I know a lot of you queers are audiophiles and musicians, and I was
> hoping
> someone could give a recommendation on a really nice pair of
> headphones
> ($150 or less please). Al?
Well, I'm no Al, but I heard the Sony MDR-V600 are decent.
I've seen them in stores for $129.95 but are $89.95 at
http://www.globe-mart.com/audvid/headphones/sony/index.htm
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:49:42 +0200
From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: anderson, bruford, wakeman, howe
Message-ID: <199903091049.MAA16325@xyz.estcard.ee>
> From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
> Bruford, Wakeman, Howe"..
> great album, i've had it for a while now, but never could figure out why
> it's not an official Yes album.. maybe cause chris squire isn't on bass?..
It's because Chris Squire owns the copyright to the name "Yes" and, if I
recall correctly, he didn't quite feel like joining the band again back
then.
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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 05:31:29 -0600
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Fates Warning
Message-ID: <36E50691.96B41B2D@isd.net>
If anyone is interested in reading a good review of "Still Life" go here:
http://www.amzmusiczine.com/11_98/newrel15f.htm
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
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"It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:12:35 EST
From: VWgirlieVW@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Yes album
Message-ID: <2c9a0d6d.36e51e43@aol.com>
In a message dated 3/9/99 4:04:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com
writes:
> in 1989, arista records released an album self titled "Anderson,
> Bruford, Wakeman, Howe"..
> great album, i've had it for a while now, but never could figure out why
> it's not an official Yes album..
> maybe cause chris squire isn't on bass?.. i dunno.
It isn't on the discography? i am assuming that's how you figured it isn't an
"official" yes album....i think i head that it wasn't a while ago, something
about how it originally didn't have one of them on it either, maybe Anderson,
even...and then eventually that other joined in....umm....kind of like Union
was, except at the end virtually EVERY member of Yes that had EVER been a
member was a part of it.
union was the first Yes album i ever bought and it still never ceases to amaze
me....
hey if you get a real reason for the officiality of ABWH let me know
cheers
Nicole
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:15:14 EST
From: VWgirlieVW@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: mojoman beat me to it....
Message-ID: <9f89bdc6.36e51ee2@aol.com>
In a message dated 3/9/99 4:04:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com
writes:
As a result, Chris Squire withheld the name 'Yes' from
> ABWH's use.
>
well damn, there it is. at least i was correct about the Anderson joining
ABWH part...
> -mojoman
>
that's so odd that Chris Squire owns the rights to Yes...i would have assumed
it was Jon Anderson but then again nothing is ever what it seems
Nicole
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:16:51 EST
From: VWgirlieVW@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: JP clinic
Message-ID: <6e7d72f3.36e51f43@aol.com>
In a message dated 3/9/99 4:04:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com
writes:
> I'm planning on attending the Petrucci clinic up in CT. How big af a
> town is New Britain? Are there any hotels in town? I'd like to know
> some info as I'll be driving up from Washington DC. Thank!
>
Apparently i wasn't on the Jam yet this time around, ould someone email me
privately and give me a date and location for the clinic???
thank you
Nicole, in Connecticut and very much wanting to go
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:40:48 -0000
From: "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Right, I'm gonna vent.
Message-ID: <199903091446.OAA16392@mail1.derby.ac.uk>
That's it, I can't take any more whining about how Metallica have
sold out; I've been threatening this for ages, and now I'm gonna do
it.
First, let's establish something. This is the DREAM THEATER
mailing list, DT being a PROGRESSIVE band. Let's look at what
Joshua Rasiel's shirts have on them again, people. That's right, it's
a definition of the term "progressive", and it says:
"1a) Of, or relating to, or characterised by progress
1b) Making use of, or interested in new ideas, findings or
opportunities
2) Moving forward or onward.
I'm not gonna argue here, that's the best description I've seen of
progressive music thusfar. Everybody on this list is a fan of
progressive music, or we wouldn't be here, right? We love the fact
that if you covered "A Fortune in Lies" and "Hollow Years", nobody
would believe that it was the same band that had produced these
two tunes. DT have PROGRESSED.
Now let's look at the term "sell out". That would kinda imply that
they were trying to make money by changing their style, right? DT
are NEVER going to break into the mainstream, and that is a
FACT. The music-buying public are as ignorant as pigshit (if
anyone wants to debate this point, feel free to send private e-mail),
and will never accept DT. They're never gonna sell millions of
records.
Metallica, on the other hand, HAVE sold millions of records, but
they'll never cross over any further into the mainstream, for roughly
comparable reasons: because of their "heavy" connotations, and
because of public bigotry, and all the other irrelevant shit that stops
DT being massive.
Now we've established this, let's look at what "selling out would
REALLY mean to DT and Metallica. It would mean catering to the
lowest common denominator of their audience. Metallica selling out
DOES NOT mean "Load/Re-Load", it would mean making another
"Master of Puppets", and that is a FACT. DT selling out would
mean making an I&W clone (which is why I suspect that many
people on this list are a little aprehensive about JR joining, whether
they admit it publicly or not).
The fact is, Metallica are being PROGRESSIVE. And if I see one
more complaint about how they've sold out on here, the guilty party
is gonna get an expletive-heavy e-mail from me. Fine, you don't like
Re-Load. I do, actually, I think it's a hell of a lot heavier than MoP -
fast DOES NOT equal heavy in my book. Icon-era Paradise Lost
are a hell of a lot heavier than Napalm Death in my book; it's
agreed that Black Sabbath invented metal, and remember that the
slower and more down-tuned they got, the heavier they sounded.
But the point I'm making is that you're being as daft as those
reviewers who slag prog by using incorrect + ignorant criticisms.
Final point: true, Kirk Hammet's solo style has changed 180*.
Fine. I don't like that either; but as an extension to the point, HE'S
PROGRESSED.
So will y'all kindly remove your heads from your arses, and make
VALID criticism of bands, rather than bandying about terms like
"Sell-outs", when it's self evident that they HAVEN'T DONE ANY
SUCH THING.
Si
p.s. my e-mail program is asbestos-clad, and entirely flame
retardant.
p.p.s. BAFU! COME BACK!! WE MISS YOU!!!
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:29:06 -0600
From: Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Tori and Kate
Message-ID: <82CD0BD64E68D211BDA00060975B3ACF03334D@BHAM-XCHG1.immpower.com>
Hey,
So I'm eating my breakfast and surfing throught the music
channels and Tori comes on with Winter. And I sit and watch and enjoy.
I've always liked Tori although I don't own any albums, just liked what
I heard etc (long before knowing about the DT link). Anyway - get to
the point, has anyone on this list heard of Kate Bush. I'm sure that
most of the UK Jammers probably have, it's just that she's a very
talented (slightly wierd and out there) female singer-song-writer-dancer
who was very successful in the eighties, and if Tori isn't a big fan
I'll eat my hat, there's just too many similarities in her style.
If you like poppy, kinda strange, piano/orchestral oriented
music with female vocal, check her out - I would suggest starting with
"The Whole Story" - kind of a greatest hits package.
Back to work,
Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama).
NP: Chroma Key.
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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 16:32:05 +0100
From: Daniel Beziz <danjohn@club-internet.fr>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4727
Message-ID: <36E53EF5.C640818F@club-internet.fr>
> Kubrick's new movie "Eyes Wide Shut" is due out sometime later this year. It
> stars Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman, and took several years to complete
> because he kept ordering reshoots. Unfortunately, he was so disorganized (he
> was gettin old) that every time he ordered a reshoot he wanted to refilm
> almost the entire movie, and none of the cast members were available. This
> caused several cast changes and there are now at least 3 or 4 incarnations
> of the film. Luckily he did complete it before he died, and the final cut
> has been finished and screened by the studios.
Please someone strangle the ignorant!
First, Kubrick wasn't disorganised but perfectionnist. Second, in their
contracts,
the actors had to remain available at any moment if Kubrick had any
desire to reshoot
sequences. That's why the Cruise couple came back several times in
England, even in
the middle of the Mission: Impossible promotion. Kubrick found their
skill as actors
were perfectible, to say the least.
As for Jennifer Jason Leigh, whose acting has completely been cut off
and scenes
reshoot with Mary Richardson instead, she simply didn't respect her
contract. She had
signed in the meantime in David Cronenberg's movie "Existenz", and
refused to come
back to England to reshoot a few scenes (in that way, she made a choice
between
Kubrick and Cronenberg. She chose Cronenberg, and Kubrick erased her
from his film).
So please check your information before saying such crap!
--
"Truth is a three-edged sword"
-Kosh
________________________
Daniel
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:56:02 -0700
From: "Stone Korg" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Korg's thoughts on the "M" band (not Marillion)
Message-ID: <004e01be6a45$a024b340$0201010a@chuck>
> Metallica, on the other hand, HAVE sold millions of records, but
>they'll never cross over any further into the mainstream, for roughly
How could they cross over more into the mainstream? They're completely
immersed in it. I guess when you see it my way... I was your typical
mainstream music listener back in 1990. Before then, I'd never even heard
of Metallica whatsoever. So then the Black album is released. Suddenly
Metallica is an overnight success (in the minds of the numb, considering
we'd never heard of them before). MTV is playing Enter Sandman constantly.
Bids are going out for them to make more. You actually hear Metallica on
the radio. They suddenly manufacture 50 different T-shirts, hold all sorts
of publicity events, etc. This from a band who swore they'd never get
carried that far. BUT, there is a line to draw here. I don't think
Metallica, at that time, would ever have conceived that they would even
remotely be so popular. At the time I would have been very spiteful of them
if they would have turned around and said, "fuck you all, we don't do this
shit for you guys." IMO, Metallica didn't sell out themselves, they were
sold out by their label. Fuck, of course the label's gonna milk them for
every penny it can get.
Unfortunately, though, I think they really let the money and popularity go
to their heads. What with the makeup and all the shit that came with Load.
I don't think it was the music in Load so much that I disliked as to what
they'd let themselves become. Something I really don't think they would
have become had they remained on the even course they were once upon. Not
only did it affect them sonically, but it also seemed to affect them
personally. This is what I think pisses alot of old Metallica fans off.
They are no longer the same people they'd always known anymore. They look
different, act different, and sound different. To most people who don't
even bother to get to "know" and understand the people behind the music, it
wasn't anything different and Load was well-welcomed. But for those of us
who like to get to know the intimate details of the bands (like it seems
most of us do here), it comes as a shock. The Metallica of 1990 and before
is NOT the same Metallica of 1999. As far as I'm concerned, M are doing
exactly the opposite of what I'd expect any good band to do. They're not
maturing. They seem to be getting looser and more childlike as they go.
They're progressing in reverse imo.
Anyway, that about sums up the way I see it. Metallica was sold out by
their label, and they all suffered (or we did) for it. Hell, I just wish DT
would sell out and get it over with. hehehe. Why?
--
Because Stone Korg said so.
NP: Type O Negative: October Rust
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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 16:51:38 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Good Head ~~~~~ phones
Message-ID: <36E5519A.773C@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Al the Ytse PROGtologist, makes it too easy. He'd ALMOST make a good
straight man, MUHAHAHAHAHA:
> [...] and I would rather not insert something in-line.
And we thank you for it :)
NP: some Zonder/Zimmerman samples from Mr. Kizer's site. Not bad, quite
different than FW, but still enough of a ballsNchunk factor that I'll be
picking that up :D
Regards,
Jon
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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 11:56:25 -0500
From: Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Tori and Kate
Message-ID: <36E552B9.E229B4B7@frontierlogic.com>
Dave Ware wrote:
>
> Hey,
>
> So I'm eating my breakfast and surfing throught the music
> channels and Tori comes on with Winter. And I sit and watch and enjoy.
> I've always liked Tori although I don't own any albums, just liked what
> I heard etc (long before knowing about the DT link). Anyway - get to
> the point, has anyone on this list heard of Kate Bush.
A far better subject for this email would've been:
Subject: Tori and Bush
Imagine the possibilities.... :)
-mojoman
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:37:31 +0200 (EET)
From: Mehmet Cevat Ozyildirim <e495368@eelab.itu.edu.tr>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Octobans
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990309193409.7001A-100000@karga.eelab.itu.edu.tr>
Does anybody know the length of the octobans MP used in the Awake era?
(While he used Mapex drums)
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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 9:35 -0800
From: "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: ABWH
Message-ID: <199903091817.KAA26994@knight.axnet.net>
To whomever it was (Isaac?) that wanted to know why Anderson
Bruford Wakeman Howe (sounds like a law firm) is not an
official Yes release, I recall reading an interview with Steve
Howe saying that Chris Squire owned the rights to the Yes
name, since he was the only one to appear on every Yes release.
It was Squire who didn't allow the others to use the name, hence
ABWH.
-Rahul Ananda
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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 13:36:38 -0500
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Some cool stuff I got that you'll like
Message-ID: <36E56A36.50AA7904@bigfoot.com>
I ordered three things from amazon last week - Still Life, and two video
collections - Tori's and Radiohead's. The videos came in yesterday and I
crazy-glued my ass to the chair and watched them, many twice. No DT
here, but I think there's lots of fans of these artists on the list, and
lots of fans of the ever-elusive 'good' video. So I'll review them a
bit.
I don't know about the majority of the list, but personally, I love good
music videos. The kind that MTV never ever plays except maybe
occasionally on 120 minutes(There's exceptions to that. Korn's Freak on
a Leash is great - that's Todd McFarlane's animation). I like innovative
uses of animation, like in Bjork's Human Behaivor, or the classic A-ha
video. I like freaky videos that make you think, or videos with really
great special effects.
Basically, 80% of tori's and 90% of radiohead's videos are like that,
they're the good kind. I mean, the really good kind.
It'd too bad Radiohead's offering - "7 Television Commercials" is indeed
only 7 videos and 35 minutes long. Those are 7 great videos! I was most
captivated by Just and High and Dry, both of which I'd seen before, so
maybe I was biased.
And on Tori's tape, you get a lot more, maybe 15 videos. They're all
good, many are amazing. My personal favorites are Spark and Caught a
Lite Sneeze, and also all the minimalist ones from the first album(all
same director), and also all the others.
Sorry, didn't get Still Life yet - I put the videos on overnight
express.
--
Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel
Churchill's description of history: "It's just one damn thing after
another."
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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 13:14:39 -0600
From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4727
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990309191439.0129edc4@pi-r-squared.com>
>Please someone strangle the ignorant!
>First, Kubrick wasn't disorganised but perfectionnist. Second, in their
>contracts,
>the actors had to remain available at any moment if Kubrick had any
>desire to reshoot
>sequences.
First off, I know that Kubrick is a perfectionist, the tales of him on the
set are legendary. The fact of the matter is, however, he was disorganized.
When he finished shooting he didn't even give the actors prospective dates,
let alone specific ones, and his callings of the reshoot were random and on
a whim. Compare this with another film which took a long time to shoot, I
believe it was Thin Red Line though I could be getting mixed up, anyway
Terrence Mallick told his cast: If you're going to be in this film, you must
be available for reshoots, and then proceeded to outline all specific days
in which the reshoots would take place. Therefore, among his humungous cast,
almost all of them were able to make it back (it ended up being irrelevant
with all the screen time that got cut from the movie but hey!)
Anyway I had thought that Harvery Keitel had exited the project due to the
reshoots problem as well, but upon further research into things in response
to your letter, I learned that, yes, I was wrong. Fancy that, someone
admitting they're wrong on the jam. Anyway, I had been given some
exaggerated info by what I considered to be a reliable source, and may have
drawn my own conclusions from this matter as well. As far as Leigh goes, if
you'd been stuck shooting a movie for a year ( 15 months to be exact, though
she probly wasn't there for the full time like the Cruises) you'd be pretty
anxious to get out of there and go do other projects as well. However, I can
see now, upon reading some more on the subject, that the problems with the
movie were largely due to Kubrick's perfectionism, ie making Tom Cruise do
100 takes of one scene. Maybe he's hoping for another Impromptu singin in
the rain (which I am told malcolm macdowell did not add till around the 42nd
take of that scene in Clockwork though again I could be wrong).
Please excuse me for cluttering the jam with this crap, and btw, I may have
been wrong on this occasion but I am far from ignorant on these matters.
Next time, try correcting me instead of insulting me.
Palpatine
Co Founder of Pi-R-Squared productions: www.pi-r-squared.com
"Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel
"What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope
"Perhaps god gave the answers to those with nothing to say"- Savatage:
Somewhere in time
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:20:08 EST
From: IceQD@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Korg ALMOST gets it Right & MusicSnob follows closely behind.......
Message-ID: <e591d4e2.36e57468@aol.com>
Korg wrote:
>Yah, really. Ice is actually a transvestite hermaphrodite with 12 wooden
>legs and a prosthetic abdomen. Therefore Mosh must be a three-eyed,
>duck-billed, tapdancing caterpillar named Dino.
>
>DTC: Mike Portnoy thinks we're all gay
Almost - in actual fact I'm a schizophrenic bisexual hermaphrodite with
homicidal tendencies (but I don't fuck piano stools, barstools perhaps - they
tend to have holes in the seats)!
Damn good try though Mr Korg ....
Andy Pandy added:
<<Actually, Ice, I believe that you have said that you are female. If
you're not, then I must be misremembering something, but I seem to
remember something about Ice being female and Fire being a male. But I
could be wrong. Not to mention the fact that you named yourself after the
"Ice Queen" so you're either female or in drag. :) >>
Nope and yep, Fire & Ice are part of the same person, but you got the male AND
female thing right (yin and yang) ;-)
MusicSnob wrote:
>>P.S. Some people sure don't get sarcasm, do they, Ice?
Kevin<<
Nope, it is a very British thing <g> like irony ....
Ice (and Fire)
PS: NOW do you get it MoshMan? Or should that be Dr Mojo? ;-)
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