YTSEJAM Digest 4743
Today's Topics:
1) Shannon Hoon
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
2) Re: Simon Says
by Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
3) oops / measuring Lars
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
4) Re: Shannon Hoon
by Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4742
by "Indii" <indii@twave.net>
6) Re: please explain...
by Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
7) ELP Tribute cd for auction
by Kevin <kvill@flash.net>
8) Kinky threesome
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
9) Germany request-No DTC
by KyleTaraG@aol.com
10) sal abruscato
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
11) thx
by Adrian79@aol.com
12) Re: thx (wrong)
by Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4742
by DTheater99@aol.com
14) nightwish
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
15) DT MP3s
by "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
16) Dixie Dregs - Ice Cakes.mp3
by "Robert O'Doherty" <rodoherty@seagull.nl>
17) A couple of things; and DAMN! I'D FORGOTTEN HOW GOOD THIS BAND I
by "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
18) www.chromakey.com
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
19) stratovarious, symphony x
by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
20) Re: please explain...
by Andy Putman <ytse@goethe.baker.rice.edu>
21) MIDI/Computer studio software - help
by Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com>
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:12:59 -0800
From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Shannon Hoon
Message-ID: <36EC88CB.C60E25D4@ucla.edu>
> Second Question: Who is Shannon Hoon in JLMB?
Former singer for alternative rock band Blind Melon, best known for the
"bee girl song" cus no one remembers the actual name.. talked crap about
Dream Theater and overdosed on heroin shortly after. Some jammers
thought he got what was coming. Funny, when he died, I was an
alternative listener, had never even heard of DT. Hell, I don't think I
had even heard of Rush, Yes, or Van Halen. (I was locked in a closet
until age 16.)
~~Amanda
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:39:20 -0600
From: Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Simon Says
Message-ID: <l03130301b3123eb06007@[128.83.251.17]>
>I think Lars' new minimalist drumming philosophy is based on the fact
>that he smokes too much pot, drinks too much and generally has degraded
>to the point of having a hard time keeping time.
let's not forget the fact that he hasn't done speed since the Justice days!
but seriously, I think he kicked ass on ...And Justice for All. He was
solid, but boring, on the black album, and just plain sucked on L/RL.
Jim Shields
Guitar/Vocals Room 213
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Spread before you is your soul / So Forever hold the dream within our hearts
Through Nature's inflexible grace, I'm learning to live.
Dream Theater "Learning to Live"
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:45:35 -0500
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: oops / measuring Lars
Message-ID: <36EC906F.94B261A6@home.com>
I typoed and said:
> The jackass singer from Blind Melon, who ragged on Dream Theater, being
> he drugged himself to death.
I should have said: "BEFORE he drugged himself to death"
---Mosh said: > >sloppier than a 2 dollar whore on Saturday night... Measure it with a > >metronome...
Phil Carter replied: > Good god, an actual way to MEASURE Lars' competence. Hm. Maybe Doc does > have something useful to say after all.
Hehe. Which way of measuring Lars' competence were you referring to as being viable? The metronome part, or the two dollar whore part? ;)
--
- Joe DeAngelo jdeangelo@home.com ICQ # 1872723 --------------------------------------- "Fuck trends, and fuck posers" - Jon Schaffer, Iced Earth ---------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:49:02 -0500 From: Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Shannon Hoon Message-ID: <36EC913E.53EC7EA9@frontierlogic.com>
Amanda Rosenblum wrote: > > talked crap about > Dream Theater and overdosed on heroin shortly after. Some jammers > thought he got what was coming.
Are you kidding??? I'd be willing to bet, that if the draino that I put in his smack didn't do the job....then the other jammers that altered his shit were successful. Fuck the little bitch.
-mojoman
-- /\ /\ \_\/_/ . / _ _ \ . |\ |(*)(*)| /| #-----------------OOO---oo---OOO------------# # Frank Benenati - fmb@frontierlogic.com # # "Some of the nicest people are dogs" # # - Richard Dean Anderson # #__________________________ooo______________# ooo (_) (_)
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 00:46:21 -0500 From: "Indii" <indii@twave.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4742 Message-ID: <05462992125461@twave.net>
> Indiiana Jones: >> But, speaking of which, the band Alcatraz had Steve Vai and IIRC, >> Yngwie Malmstein....is this correct. ----snip----- > > Come ON!!! You can't tell the difference between Vai and Yngwie? > It should be obvious... if there's so many effects on the sound that the > guitarist can play one note and it will sound like Mozart, it's gotta be > Vai! At least, according Angelo Lombardi... > That album is Vai, all the way. How can you STAND those vocals? > Not even the cancer throat sounds of Cacophony can prepare me for Graham > Bonnet!
Yes i can tell the difference between Vai and Yngwie. I can tell who is playing by hearing just 2 or 3 notes. (based on setup and rig sound and style) But, this was several years ago before Malmstein went solo with his neo-classical baroque style....and before he broke his hand--before he could play as fast as he can now! I couldn't tell who was in the back ground cause of Vai's enourmous presence. And since he takes all the solos on the album i couldn't ever really hear the backup guitarist. That's why i asked. I knew Yngwie was on No Parole From Rock n' Roll, but wasn't sure if he was on this one cause i lost the case for it.
Well that's my rebuttle indii "you call him Dr. Jones, lady!"
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:53:47 +0300 From: Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: please explain... Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990315085347.0092bec0@messagebox.com>
>>Most of it's in 4/4 time, a time sig >>that's fairly beat into people in the "Western" world and thus is quite >easy >>to play in, and the beats used in rock are usually simple. duh duh DUH >duh > >I have nothing against Craig, King of Craigland and all Her imperial >satellites of love. > >But this is something that's been annoying me for some time. I don't get >it! Why was 4/4 "beat into people", particularely us moronic "Western" >people? Did the music industry just decide, one day, that 4/4 would be >the rule? And if so, why? They must've had a reason. > >I think it's much more accurate to say 4/4 is naturally, genetically, a >'catchy' time sig. It's not in an industry's favor to force things on >consumers that they wouldn't naturally gravitate to. No profit there. > >Why would 4/4 so successful if we weren't already programmed to like it? >If we were really meant to listen to 15/7 and 8/3 alternating every >third measure, why wouldn't they just use that to make all the songs? Indeed 4/4 is a sort of 'genetic', that's why it's so easy for people to dig that stuff!!! But again, it has to do with western people, I don't know, probaby it has some historic background, but you can just listen to any non-Western music, like Indian stuff, or African drumming or whatever, and I bet that 4/4 is not common for that music in any way!!! I once played with an Indian percussionist and even though the song was in 4/4 the stuff he played was in 3/4 and he said that it sounded more natural for him. And you'll catch yourself on the thing that if you listen to alot of Indian music in a row you'll start digging those complex rhythms and they'll feel much more natural!!!
~Peter ========================================================== The maintainer of the YtseJamCD Project site: http://www.glasnet.ru/~tatisch/Ytze IRC: Hammman ICQ:425-8962 ===========================================================
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 00:10:01 -0600 From: Kevin <kvill@flash.net> To: YtseJam Mailing list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: ELP Tribute cd for auction Message-ID: <36ECA439.D73876CC@flash.net>
I've got the ELP tribute cd (Encores, Legends & Paradox) from Magna Carta up for auction at ebay in case someone can't wait until April 9th. It's a short auction so I can get it out to the buyer as quick as possible. Here's the location:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=78533772
Thanks for looking, Kevin.
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:25:14 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Kinky threesome Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649809308@messaging>
Damn, I might even have to get in on that! :)
<<< Ice wants Johnny Kelly and Peter Steele for a threesome ... >>>
David
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:39:07 EST From: KyleTaraG@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Germany request-No DTC Message-ID: <15df439c.36ecab0b@aol.com>
I'm planning a trip to Germany on April 30 and I'll be there for a few days. I was just wondering if any Eurpean jammers might know of any concerts going on at that time. I already found out Gamma Ray will be playing while I'm there and if anyone knows of other bands or tour dates, I would be very appreciative. Please respond to private email: kyletarag@aol.com Please help if you can...I'm desperate!
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:22:15 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee> To: Nothing To Say <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: sal abruscato Message-ID: <199903150822.KAA14618@xyz.estcard.ee>
]From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
> You know, it's kinda funny how Johnny Kelly came to be a member of Type O > Negative. He was Sal Abruscato's (previous drummer, who quit to join > Life of Agony) drum tech, and the reason TON chose him is because, A)
He didn't quit Type O to join Life Of Agony, because he was in Life Of Agony all along. As much as I know, he was pushed out of Type O because he was a miserable and depressive dude who couldn't get along with anybody. That was the reason why he got the boot from Life Of Agony two years later as well.
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 04:18:30 EST From: Adrian79@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: thx Message-ID: <8e27f615.36ecd066@aol.com>
first of all thanx to all of you for making this hoon-stuff clear to me. I know of the story with bling melon and I somehow guessed it was him, yet I wasn't sure.
To this 4/4 time sig. thing: >Most of it's in 4/4 time, a time sig >that's fairly beat into people in the "Western" world and thus is quite easy >to play in, and the beats used in rock are usually simple. duh duh DUH duh
Just that it's in a 4/4 time sig. doesn't mean it has to be simple. Just have a look at some of the DT songs. Even in 4/4 time sig. parts they are more complex than all these shredder bands together. For example: the guitar solo in UAGM is completely in 4/4. Just listen to what MP and JM play there.
Adrian
All the world's a stage and most of us are desperately unrehearsed. -- Sean O'Casey
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 03:42:43 -0600 From: Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: thx (wrong) Message-ID: <36ECD613.5723@rollanet.org>
WRONG! Unless I'm completely mistaken, I believe the solo to UAGM starts in 11/4, then the big build up thing is in 7/4, *then* goes back to 4/4 *when* the chorus comes back in again... not trying to bitch, just clarifying... ;)
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 05:18:38 EST From: DTheater99@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4742 Message-ID: <6db0e75b.36ecde7e@aol.com>
<<dead 3rd Eye Blind guy.. drug overdose.. i think mike threw him in the song along with kurt cobain cause mr. hoon made a pissy comment somewhere about dream theater being a shitty band.. so naturally he encured the rath of god and is now deceased.. sucks for him.. >>
He was the singer from Blind Melon
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 02:41:52 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: nightwish Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA0F3DFF@ms.kallback.com>
Another question... I made a big mistake of listening to some Nightwish: Oceanborn MP3's and now I'm hooked and there's no supplier. Is there any domestic place that sells them? KorgX3
Send Mape $23 and he'll buy one for you. This cd kicked my ass the first time, but for some reason isn't quite as good on repeated listenings. Still 9/10 though. Trevor
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:26:21 -0000 From: "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: DT MP3s Message-ID: <199903151133.LAA09403@mail1.derby.ac.uk>
Having once railed against MP3s, I'm now gonna come across as a hypocrite, and ask for some. In my defence, I own all of the "official" releases of these, so there. Could someone please e-mail me (privately?) if they know any websites with DT MP3s, esp. "Speak To Me" and "To Live Forever" (the latter as played at Rotterdam, with the extra keyboard + guitar solos), plus any other cool stuff. I know this is ground already covered, but I've only just got hold of a setup that'll play MP3s, and I've tended to ignore stuff on such threads. Cheers!!
Si
NP: An MP3 of RTK!!!!!!!
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:42:37 -0000 From: "Robert O'Doherty" <rodoherty@seagull.nl> To: "Ytsejam (E-mail)" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Dixie Dregs - Ice Cakes.mp3 Message-ID: <001001be6ed8$ed859ae0$5a0778c1@rob.seagull.ie>
Hello,
I've just uploaded a new MP3 onto total.devastation.com. Dixie Dregs - Ice Cakes which is taken from their 1978 Album "What If". Check it out.
Rob. ICQ: 809343 Dublin., Ireland
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:15:41 GMT From: "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: A couple of things; and DAMN! I'D FORGOTTEN HOW GOOD THIS BAND I Message-ID: <478AB1324D@sdk1.derby.ac.uk>
> How do you find Lars' slow playing interesting? Is it the > repetition? The complete lack of creativity? Well, as you said, playing what fits is the whole idea...So I guess that makes Lars' playing on l/R-L fit in perfectly?!!!!!! LOL!!
>>Si wants Emma Ledden. >sorry about my ignorance but who the hell is she?! She's the new "star" of eMpTyV Europe's request show; she's Irish and a beauty like you wouldn't believe. I've got a couple of requests for her all right - and I ain't talkin' the video of Hollow Years!
<<<long-ish post about who made us start playing instruments>>> YEah, the first thing that made me wanna play guitar was "Whatever" by Oasis! (But then I couldn't be bothered, until I heard Tori Amos' "Caught A Lite Sneeze", and that was it. Don't ask me why, though, because there's no guitar at all on that song...
>One show I saw on TV from the Monsters Of Rock in Bra. derek made >5-10 serious mistakes on UAGM. He also always had a lots of problems >with LTL, which shows that he might be a good studio player but that his >technique is not so good Erm...What are you blithering on about? What the hell's a "serious mistake"? Could you be specific? Because if you're going to say "playing any notes that weren't on the record" (which is what the tone of your post implies), I'd suggest you listen to KevMo's "serious mistakesstlg on L@TM, like when he plays those kick-arse extra bits at the start of PMU. >As far as I perceive it DT hardly ever makes mistakes live (except Bullshit! Of course they make mistakes, everyone does. What makes them good is the fact that they don't get thorwn by it. So provide some specific examples about how DS stuffed it up or SHUT UP.
>Name a drummer in rock music who has had a bigger influence. >Ringo was no technical god, but he was on par with guys like Bonham You just did, fool! John Bonham, RIP. Ringo did diddly-squat compared to JB. And it's interesting, I find: okay, so the Beatles were greater sonic pioneers than Zeppelin, and yet if you put on ANY Zeppelin album, it's aged far better than ANY Beatles album. If someone put "When I'm 64" on the radio, you'd PISS YOURSELF LAUGHING. But if someone put on "Heartbreaker" or "The Rover", or "In the Evening", or....You get the point.
Right, main point. Since I can FINALLY play MP3s on this set-up, I've been running around getting SHITLOADS of DT stuff. I'd forgotten how much I like this band! The Way It Used To Be sounds closer to U2-meets-The Stone Roses than Images and Words - and it's fuckin' ACE! John Squire would be proud of that altro solo. How could that get missed off the record in favour of New Millenium? Same with Raise The Knife? And yet the doesn't-sound-at-all-like-Queen Anna Lee made it. Hmmm...Gawd, Dream Theater's *offcuts* wipe the floor with any other band's albums! Does anyone know who wrote the lyrics to TWIUTB, and have a copy they can send me? And does anyone have a list of places where I can get hold of MORE MP3s? I MUST FEED MY HABIT. It's filling in in the absence of DT / PF '99.
Si
NP: Joy Division, "Closer" ------------------------------------------------------ "If there's a pensive fear, a wasted year A Man must learn to cope If his obsession's real, suppression that he feels Must turn to hope" -John Petrucci s.j.dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk lord_ibanez@hotmail.com http://members.tripod.com/Lord_Ibanez/Lord_Ibanez.html ------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:03:06 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: www.chromakey.com Message-ID: <36ED212A.9FE0048C@mol.com.mk>
This site (www.chromakey.com) asks for password to get in! :(
What's the catch, how can I get the Chroma Key demo MP3?? If someone's in the mood to help, please e-mail me PRIVATELY! I'm a little behjind with the digests bla, bla. Thanks!
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:14:21 PST From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: stratovarious, symphony x Message-ID: <19990315151422.26980.qmail@hotmail.com>
hi all, long time no post, sorry. After checking out destiny and the divine wings I come to the following conclusion: destiny is the most ridiculous album I heard in quite a while. I love episode and visions and have also live in europe, but this one seems filled with old riffs, bad lyrics and awful melodies. (sorry jens). SoS is at least funny, but apart from that... The divine wings is my 2nd s x disc and I like it even better than twilight in olympus. the hooklines are so well done. Finally I picked up my copy of ajfa and it gets constant rotation, I really like it to get aggression out of the system. later all, good luck MP seb Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 05:05:04 -0500 (EST) From: Andy Putman <ytse@goethe.baker.rice.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: please explain... Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990315045709.16562A-100000@goethe.baker.rice.edu>
> And you'll catch yourself on the thing that if you listen to alot > of Indian music in a row you'll start digging those complex rhythms and > they'll > feel much more natural!!! I was hanging out one summer with someone who was very interested in different types of ethnic music (he was also an awesome guitar player, btw. huge zappa fan). Anyway, he told me that in the west, musicians have deeply explored harmony. In other cultures, however, they have done the same thing with rhythm. Just look at most western classical music -- there is usually only one type of rhythm at a time -- occasionally you'll have a brief 2 against 3 or something, but that is not terribly common. Now look at African (or your other favorite non-western region) music. You'll find that they almost always play incrediably complicated patterns -- 2 against 3 against 5 against 7, and the like. I'm not an expert, but listening I can hear it. The harmonies, however, are usually relatively simple if they are there at all. Just food for thought. -Andy
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:09:45 -0500 From: Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com> To: The flame Jam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: MIDI/Computer studio software - help Message-ID: <36ED30C9.A6A957C0@frontierlogic.com>
Hey Folks,
I need some recommendations...
I'm looking to build a small mini-studio out of my windoze box. Here's what I currently have:
Windows 98 4-5 gigs hd space SB 16
I'm looking to upgrade the sound card and get some software to do the trick. Any suggestions??? I want to be able to use samples to get my drum beats...as well as have the ability to record using a microphone or line in. Maybe in the future, I'll be looking to include a keyboard controller, but I don't have plans to right now. What kind of sound card is best suited for this. I'm hearing all sorts of wonderful things about the SBLive...is that the one to get??? As for software, I'm lost. I could simply d/l cakewalk express and start playing with that...but is that any good?? Suggestions here???
-mojoman /\ /\ \_\/_/ / _ _ \ |\ \(*)(*)/ /| #-----------------OOO- \oo/--OOO------------# # Frank Benenati - fmb@frontierlogic.com # # "Some of the nicest people are dogs" # # - Richard Dean Anderson # #__________________________ooo______________# ooo (_) (_)
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