YTSEJAM Digest 4848
Today's Topics:
1) Re: how do I unsub
by "Steve Kitchens" <lexine@rollanet.org>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4847
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
3) Re:KorgX3 is sitting naked in front of his computer
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
4) Planet X
by DrummerEsh@aol.com
5) Iced Earth/Nevermore/Destiny's End (5/6/99 Houston, TX)
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
6) Derek in Wayne's World
by "Dreamgirl" <dreamgirl@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
7) Planet X show recap
by Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
8) Re: Threshold "Extinct Instinct"
by "Jordan Orlowski" <jordania@hotmail.com>
9) Sarcastic Chuckling
by "J C" <outlander28@hotmail.com>
10) Re: Amorphis & Rhapsody
by MTeiper@aol.com
11) Re: DT keys and side projects
by "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net>
12) JC
by "matt jones" <indii@vistatech.net>
13) Power of Omens
by Diablo6491@aol.com
14) Rush newsgroup
by AlexandroTalamini <Alexandro@Boticario.com.br>
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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 00:06:57 -0500
From: "Steve Kitchens" <lexine@rollanet.org>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: how do I unsub
Message-ID: <005301be977e$473ce840$6572fea9@lexine>
My son was on this list for quite some time - only trouble we shared e-mail
address and he left home to broaden his horizons. While broadening, he
neglected to unsubscribe.
I tried once but was unsuccessful. Could some one help me out. Tom will be
back on I'm sure, once he gets settled.
Thanks
Steve
lexine@rollanet.org
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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 00:47:18 -0500
From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4847
Message-ID: <000a01be9783$e8776000$f80dfea9@madstation>
> From: JKorby1973@aol.com
> believable. Another interesting thing is that if this is true, isn't it
too
> bad that after all of the great albums VH has put out- all going platinum
or
> more (until VH3), that the record company would give them an
altimatum(sp?)
> like this? Talk about greed!
I don't buy that. I don't think any label can make VH do anything at
this point. VH has enough money to get its lawyers to do whatever it needs
to. If OJ can afford to get lawyers who can get him out of his whole
scheme, VH can surely find a contract lawyer who can get them out of a bad
deal, if their current contract doesn't already leave them as many outs as
they could possibly want. The label can push as much as they want... what
it comes down to is that if VH doesn't want DLR, and the label can't toss
them enough dough to convince them to take DLR, you will not see him in the
band again.
> CLIFFBUR10@AOL.COM
> ----Master Of The Internet
No way is the "Master of the Internet" on AOL. >:)
> From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
> >You also forgot all of the other intervals, the ones in-between what
> >you mentioned.
>
> The fancy word is chromatics, or half-steps if you like. I didn't forget
> them. There just aren't many examples. Sure, the jaws one, but nobody
> needs help for a minor second. And almost all of your other examples
> come from a musical about gay puerto-rican biker gangs.
Umm... actually, I covered all of the intervals in just one DT album,
and had plenty of material to choose from. It's more common (especially in
20th century music) than you may think. And furthermore, you wouldn't call
the "in-between" intervals "Chromatic" or "Half step"... not if you want
anyone to know what you're talking about... :)
> Now that I think about it, though, if anyone wants a good example for
> the tri-tone, how about "Again" off the last AIC album? If the bass line
> is your starting point, the "hey...." is your augmented 4th. AIC is king
> of funked up intervals, they're great that way.
BAH! They're all about 5ths. Not too wild and crazy! :) And YYZ is
still the perfect example of the tritone. :)
> and the top ten lists.....actually, I might be interested in Korgy's
> take....and Ptacek's, if only to see how many Ron Thal albums he could fit
> into the top ten....
Now why would I go and do that? :)
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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 01:36:27 -0500
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re:KorgX3 is sitting naked in front of his computer
Message-ID: <3731386B.1ECCAAF7@isd.net>
Mr. Potato Head Wrote:
>KorgX3 is sitting naked in front of his computer.
>NP: Faith No More: Sitting Naked in Front of the Computer.
>Isn't it ironic, dontcha think?
You should be shot for that one!
NP: Alanis Morissette - Jagged Little Pill NOT!!!
P.S. I hope you didn't forget to scrape the barnacles off the chair...
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
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"It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 04:16:58 EDT
From: DrummerEsh@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Planet X
Message-ID: <bc0debbd.2462a9fa@aol.com>
Hey guys just got back from the PLANET X show...it was absolutely
amazing..Derek was on fire and so were the rest of the guys! Virgil Donati
kicks major ass!! you guys should all check out the CD when it comes out.
~ESH~
http://welcome.to/Phosphenes
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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 04:14:00 -0500
From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Iced Earth/Nevermore/Destiny's End (5/6/99 Houston, TX)
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990506091400.0072eefc@pi-r-squared.com>
Well folks, the "metal militia alliance" tour has begun, and it's
first stop was my home here in Houston, Texas. To hear the bands part of it
speak, it's the first true all metal US tour in years.. perhaps they're
right. On to the music:
Destiny's End:
I was completely unfamiliar with this band going in, but they tore the place
up. They're really nothing more than your average power metal band, but they
sounded great live, and the energy of their performance was enough to get
everyone's blood flowin. The highlight of the band for me was their vocalist
(who was obviously heavily Dickinson influenced) who pulled off the high
vocals, while still maintaining the full power of his voice. Quite
refreshing compared to some of the other vocalists out there.
Nevermore:
I had only heard one Nevermore song prior to tonight (actually, last night)
and I wasn't all that impressed... and I'm still not. I hear a lot of talk
about them here on the jam , but they're just not my type of music. As for
their performance, I suppose they play well for what they do. They had a
really muddy mix where the notes tended to get lost amongst eachother, and
(and I know this sounds like sacriledge for a metal concert) they were too
fucking loud. It was almost one of those, "our shit's not that great so
we're just gonna turn it up to high volume and it won't matter" kinda
things. Ah well, they do have a good vocalist, I'll give em that. My friends
swore up and down that the bassist was drunk and missing notes right and
left, but I didn't notice *shrug*.
Iced Earth:
Finally the time came for the main event. Let me say this, whether you're a
fan of Nevermore or even Destiny's End, don't fool yourselves: Iced Earth
are the stars of this tour and in their performance they showed why. They
were definitely the most professional band of the evening: they didn't drink
on stage (as just about all the other bands did) and they were very
meticulous with their mix: which came out perfectly to suit their heavy,
fast, riff based sound. They kicked off with Burning Times off their new cd
"Something Wicked This Way Comes" and (just as on every other song in their
show) the band sounded tighter than Jerry Falwell's ass (as in Jerry Falwell
is a tight ass, not Jerry Falwell has a good looking ass!) and as clean as
any live DT performance I've heard (though granted the music is a bit less
difficult.. but still skillful in its own right). They rolled through their
set playing Melancholy (during which the crowd joined in on vocals, much to
lead vocalist Matt Barlow's surprise (I really don't think the band expected
this tour to attract many fans already familiar with them) and the Wicked
Trilogy (imo their best musical composition ever) from the new album, A
Question of Heaven and I Died For You from the Dark Saga, Angel's Holocaust
from Stormrider, and other assorted tracks including a cover of Black
Sabbath's Electric Funeral. Matt Barlow's vocals were amazing, he hit every
note dead on including the higher end singing from the older stuff. Overall:
Iced Earth played the most varied, professional, musical, and downright
kickass set of the night. If this tour rolls through your town, don't miss
it, they put on a great show.
Interesting side note: While my friends were getting Jon Schaffer to sign
their cd's (lucky bastards... they got the set list too) I asked Jon about a
possible Iced Earth/Blind Guardian US tour. He said they were working on
it... was he just bullshitting me? I guess we'll find out (but damn that
would kick ass).
Forgive me for the poor quality of this review, it's early and I'm still
recovering from the show. METAL IS ALIVE! THIS SHOW WILL MAKE YOU A BELIEVER!
Palpatine
"Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel
"What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope
"Perhaps god gave the answers to those with nothing to say"- Savatage:
Somewhere in time
"Too bad! You were almost really evil!"
-Shishio, Rurouni Kenshin
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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:21:58 +0100
From: "Dreamgirl" <dreamgirl@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Derek in Wayne's World
Message-ID: <199905060217224@dreamgirl.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
Actually Derek is featured a lot more in Wayne's World (first film)than just in the Alice Cooper dressing room scene. He is the guy with the waist length hair playing the keyboards in many of the shots of Alice's live set!!!!
Never let go of your dreams ....
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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 03:18:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Planet X show recap
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990506015240.20299A-100000@crane.cds.caltech.edu>
Just got back from the Planet X show. Excellent performances all-round,
particularly Virgil Donati (drums) and Ricc Fierabracci (bass).
The gig was at this small Hollywood club called The Baked Potato. As soon
as I took a look at the menu, it was pretty obvious where it got its name.
"Baked potato, Baked potato w/cheese, Baked potato w/spinach, Baked Potato
and Chicken Parmesan, Baked Potato and Teriyaki", etc. I guess somebody
over there liked baked potatoes. Anyway, reading the menu gave me
flashbacks of the Monty Python "Spam" sketch. By the way, the chicken
parmesan baked potato was great.
Pre-show
I noticed that Fierabracci was the only one in the group who took the
trouble to walk up to the stage and do some kinda warm-up with his
instrument. He doodled a bit and stuff, and I guess this kind of
foreplay with his bass was called for, considering he was going to spend
the next couple of hours fucking its brains out. Also, he was
sight-reading during a good part of the show. Thought that was kinda
neat.
Show
Then, everybody else takes the stage, and the show goes something like
this (very few announcements during the show, so I had no idea what most
of the titles were):
Instrumental
Instrumental
"Atlantis" (runs about 16 min., I think)
Instrumental (featuring a terrific solo from Fierabracci)
Instrumental
Drum solo
Instrumental
Instrumental
That was it, to the best of my memory. Show ran a bit more than an hour.
First and second shows were more or less identical. The only other title
I remember Derek announcing was the track which either comes right before
or right after Donati's solo (can't remember which). That was a song
titled something like "Dead of Night" by U.K. The track "Atlantis" is
definitely from the CD, and I assume the other unannounced tracks are too.
Music
Mostly rock-type stuff, much in the vein of LTE, except with some very
jazzy-sounding parts thrown in. Actually, picture LTE without the
super-fast guitar parts (e.g., intro to Paradigm Shift, intro to Universal
Mind) and with more super-fast bass parts, and you have a good idea of
what these songs sounded like.
Impressions
I can't comment too much on what Sherinian or what the guitarist (Brett
Garsed) was doing. I paid some attention to them when they soloed.
Sherinian has all the chops we saw/heard from his DT days, and it very
much seems as if his playing takes center stage most of the time. Often,
it seems that everybody else is just accompanying. Garsed has a good
sense of melody in the guitar solos that I paid attention to, but he's not
that much of a presence. I dunno, maybe it was just the way the mix came
out through the speakers. Most of the time, I forgot that he was playing
too. Hope the mix on the CD gives him more emphasis.
Most of my attention was focused on Fierabracci and Donati (especially
Donati). Both these guys gave mesmerizing performances.
Fierabracci is a remarkable player. Very nimble, and he certainly can
crank up the speed when he wants to. He had several short bass solos
spread throughout the show, where he showed some of his tricks. The one
that blew me away was an extended solo (about 4 min. or so) where he was
getting sounds out of his bass that I just hadn't thought possible. He
had it practically screaming. I also caught him a few times tapping what
I could only call "percussive notes" out of his bass, getting his bass to
sound like a floor-tom (or was it more like a timpani? I forget). Very
skilled guy. Oh, and for those who are interested, he used two electric
bass guitars, both 5-string, I believe, and one of them was fretless.
In my eyes, Donati stole the show. I guess one way to sum up his playing
style is to say that he's bursting with energy. Also, he rarely ever just
"plays" a fill; "explodes into it" is a more accurate description. Very
fierce player, with intensity to spare. This also showed in his facial
expressions. I only caught him cracking a smile once, during the second
show. The rest of the time it was mostly just frowns of exertion. You
wouldn't even think he was enjoying himself:). His solo was also one hell
of a show. Besides the fact that he was doing his best imitation of a
whirlwind behind the kit, he also does this thing with his sticks. It's a
bit tough to explain, but basically he raises his arm while twirling the
stick, then brings his arm down, timing the twirl so that the stick hits
the cymbal (or tom or snare) just at the right moment. The speed with
which he did this a few times was really something to watch. Basically a
lot of blurs.
Oh yeah, and by the way, he's a great player. Groovin' when it was called
for, and manic when *that* was called for. Great double-bass patterns,
and I liked his use of cymbals. His selection of cymbals was a bit
limited, though (4 crashes, a china, and a ride). Actually, his whole kit
was smaller than what I saw outlined in Modern Drummer. Can't wait to
hear him on the CD. Again, for those keeping score at home, Donati used a
Premier kit, and I'm pretty sure the cymbals were Sabian (might've been
Paiste, but I don't think so).
Humorous banter
As Sherinian announced the U.K. track, somebody in the audience yelled
out "Freebird". That drew a laugh from him. I forget what the
significance of "Freebird" is, so the joke was lost on me.
After Donati's solo, during the first show, Sherinian announced him again,
then mentioned Donati was on the cover of the current issue of Modern
Drummer.
Sherinian: So, do ya think you'd like to be on the cover of Modern
Drummer again? [or something like that; don't recall exactly what the
question was]
Donati: Oh yeah, at least once a month.
During the second show, I guess they changed the track they
were gonna play, and the band waited while Fierabracci spent a few seconds
digging through his sheets for the song. When he found it, and signaled
he was ready, Sherinian asked him, "So, are your charts OK, Ricc?" and
then rolled his eyes jokingly.
Younis Hilal------------------------yhilal@cds.caltech.edu
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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 10:49:33 GMT
From: "Jordan Orlowski" <jordania@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Threshold "Extinct Instinct"
Message-ID: <19990506104933.11432.qmail@hotmail.com>
OK so it was interesting to read a review for the "latest" Threshold CD
"Extinct Instinct" (1997), but they have done 2 albums since then ok! The
last studio album was "Clone" (1998) and it's truly their deepest darkest
finest hour, and there's also a fan club CD (limited edition) called
"Decadent" (1999) which has loads of rarities and remixes on it.
Another correction, the official Threshold homepage is at
http://threshold.8m.com (the DPRP page is just the fans page). The official
site is very cool and also has a shop, so... if you didn't know about
"Clone" and "Decadent" before then you do now, and you also know where to
buy them.
One thing the reviewer said was right - they're a fine band and not a DT
clone (unlike others - come on guys, we only want one DT!) There's also only
one Threshold..!
love Jordania
x
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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 07:48:51 EDT
From: "J C" <outlander28@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Sarcastic Chuckling
Message-ID: <19990506114852.67201.qmail@hotmail.com>
No shit? I didn't think they made those candies anymore. Cool!
Chuckles were the DT of the candy enterprise. Although I can't comprehend
how the digitized mailing list can... Ah! I see! You're being sarcastic
again, aren't you? You silly nilly! Ho ho ho!
Damn you're clever!! I cant hang with that, you see Ive been dubbed the
"stupid stupid man" so I'm not sure how to respond to your snappy wit and
crafty sentence structure.
you are without a doubt the best of the best!!(sarcasm:off)
"KorgX3 is sitting naked in front of his computer"
But this......you could have enlightened me just as well without the above
line
eewwwww dude! ;>
Outlander
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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:13:31 EDT
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Amorphis & Rhapsody
Message-ID: <2d6c0fe.2462ef7b@aol.com>
Hey Jammers - =7F=7FIn regards to the guy who posted about Amorphis=E2=80=A6 =
I think in=20
order to determine whether or not you will like any of their albums, I think=20
you first need to determine what exactly you didn't like about "My Kantele". =20
First off, the EP was "sort of" a collection of B-Sides. The acoustic=20
version of "My Kantele" originally appeared on their "Elegy" album, along=20
with an electric version of the song. On the EP, the 2 part song "Brother=20
Slayer" was an original song written by the band. The remaining songs on th=
e=20
EP are cover tunes, and honestly I don't much care for those tracks that=20
much. If it's the growling vocalist that turns you off, you should be aware=20
that there have been mostly death metal vocals on all their albums, except=20
for their latest one "Tuonela". On "Elegy" it was about 50/50 between=20
growling and clean vocals. On "Tales From the Thousand Lakes", it was about=20
90/10 growling to clean vocals. If it's the original songs you don't like=20
("Brother Slayer" and "My Kantele" ) you might not like any of their other=20
albums. I don't know if I'd call their albums "prog", the closest thing I=20
can come up with is "melodic folk death metal". I think that the most "prog=
"=20
thing about Amorphis is the fact that they have a keyboardist that plays a=20
big role in the songs, plus the fact their songs rarely follow a standard=20
verse-chorus-verse-chorus-solo-chorus song structure. Personally, I love th=
e=20
band. Their "Elegy" album is fantastic, IMHO. "Tuonela" and "Tales From th=
e=20
Thousand Lakes" are awesome too. However, depending on what you disliked=20
about "My Kantele", you may not dig the band's music. Anyone else have a=20
take on this issue?=7F=7FTo the guy asking about the $70 Rhapsody album, the=20
reason it's so expensive is because it's a special edition box including all=20
kinds of other stuff. I think the CowGod recently posted a list of what's=20
included. If I remember correctly, you get the CD, a full color book, a pin=
,=20
a pendant, etc. If you're just looking for the CD only, as I posted=20
recently, Empire Entertainment (www.empireent.com) has it for like $12.98 or=20
something. That site is awesome=E2=80=A6 all sorts of hard-to-find prog and =
power=20
metal CD's for dirt cheap. I've dealt with them before, and I HIGHLY=20
recommend them. The only negative about the site, at least the last time I=20
was there, was the fact that didn't have a secure server or an online=20
ordering system yet. I had to e-mail them to reserve the CD's and then send=20
them a money order, but the transaction went very smoothly. But, I think=20
they are in the process of setting up a shopping cart there.=7F=7FHope this=20
helps!=7F=7FBack to work I go=E2=80=A6 ugh=E2=80=A6=7F=7F- Matt T.=7F=7F
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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:43:47 -0400
From: "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net>
To: CLIFFBUR10@aol.com
Subject: Re: DT keys and side projects
Message-ID: <199905061434.KAA25147@bajor.ici.net>
> whats with all the changing of keyboard players???? i mean if they get rid
> of one thats fine but kicking out derek too??
They didn't get rid of Kevin Moore, he left because *he* wanted to.
If you check the FAQ, and some interviews from that period, you
will see that the band was very surprised and upset when he
decided to leave.
>..i mean when they auditions derek a few years
> back they also auditioned jordan....and we know they choose derek. but now
> they say jordan is what they are looking for..why wasn't he what they
> wanted before...??????
He *was* what they wanted before. Jordan was their first choice,
but he had to decide between going out with DT on a long tour, or a
short tour with the Dixie Dregs. I believe he had just become a
father at the time, and didn't want to commit to a long stint on the
road at that time. This time, I guess he's ready for it.
>well anyway... my question is..with everyone doing
> side project..is there anyone else who is afraid maybe sometime down the
> road soon, that DT will be no more..and we will think of these 5 Amazingly
> talented musicians as solo artists??
I've had a quite a few discussions with people about this, and I
believe it's healthy for the members of DT to "stretch their wings"
outside of the confines of the band. It gives them an opportunity to
explore music other than "DT" music - they get to grow more, and I
think the end result is they become better musicians.
And being better musicians can do nothing but help the band,
IMHO. I think all the members realize how important DT is to them.
Heck, DT's popularity is one of the reasons the members are in
such demand to *do* all of these side projects.
___Pat Sullivan_____________________________________
Email: psull@ici.net
ICQ: 23499229 AIM: TOWHTSTS
WWW:__ http://home.ici.net/~psull/psull.html _______
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I'll go find out what they want.'
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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 11:32:25 -0400
From: "matt jones" <indii@vistatech.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: JC
Message-ID: <19990506154434711.AAA131@[207.203.131.140]>
>
> At least, anyway, he'd make the cover of Enquirer or Weekly World News. --
What about GQ?
indii
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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 11:42:48 EDT
From: Diablo6491@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Power of Omens
Message-ID: <823a448.24631278@aol.com>
OK, I just got this in the mail yesterday and I LOVE IT. The only
problem I have with it is, the druming. I think its great drumming, I just
think it gets a little to techincal, I think hes trying to do way to much
then he really has too. I know you guys said that this band is technical for
the sake of being technical, but my God, hes got so much shit going on at
once it surprises me that he knows whats going on period. I'd love to see
him play live, lemme check his naem out;> Ah, Alex Arellano. He is DAMN
GOOD, he just tries to do to much, I think with a little more discipline
maybe(?) he could give the band a more of a down to earth feel, though I dont
think they really want that anyway, can someone tell me of other bands who do
this as well, with the complex drum rythems? ALSO do they use a lot of delays
on this album because it says they only have one guitarist and I always have
the impression that there are 2. Maybe thats from the electronics? I think
the music is amazing though. Someone said that the singing wasnt catchy I
think, but I have to disagree, I think the words can get to you eventualy and
if you can hit this guys notes, I think this music would make it enjoyable to
sing along with. The only song I think I was mildly disappointed with was
the 19min opus, Test of Wills. It is a good song, just not as a good as I
expected. I think there are better songs on the album, but its all opinion .
.
np: Word on a Line -Power of Omens-
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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 14:06:32 -0300
From: AlexandroTalamini <Alexandro@Boticario.com.br>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Rush newsgroup
Message-ID: <CB9A835262C6D1118B3B00805FEA2A710162AFE3@CORREIO>
Hi jammers,
Since I don't have access to the Rush newsgroup I thought some ytsejammer
could help me with this. There's a thread titled "LIVE CDR ARTWORK" which
was started on 4/27/99. Does anybody who have access to that newsgroup would
copy it and then send it to me, please????
Thanks in advance,
Alex
Curitiba, Brazil
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