YTSEJAM Digest 4876
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Dark Piano!
by trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4874
by psull@ici.net
3) New Markus Steffen Interview (ex-SIEGES EVEN)
by "fateswarm _" <mlnglst@hotmail.com>
4) Attention Drummers {NDTC}
by Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com>
5) Gap Commercials Online
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
6) Re:Dark Piano!
by YtseJam78@aol.com
7) Re: LTE video
by "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
8) Power of Omens shirt (NDTC)
by Jax <jax@glol.net>
9) Selling out, JLB, World Tour
by Niall Connaughton <nconnaug@socs.uts.edu.au>
10) ok, ok
by DWilk46577@aol.com
11) Hot-headed audio gear
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
12) Bahr/Bogie ;-)
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
13) sell-out/G3
by JamesAhab@aol.com
14) Re: Dark piano music
by Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
15) Re: sell-out/G3
by trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
16) FW: Beaumont YtseJammer
by "Pete Davis" <phdavis@wt.net>
17) The selling out thread (was: Re: Selling out, JLB, World Tour)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@iname.com>
18) Re: Dark piano music
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 15:25:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Dark Piano!
Message-ID: <19990531222542.3632.rocketmail@web501.yahoomail.com>
--- DWilk46577@aol.com wrote:
>
> Ok I hope there is someone out there that can help
> me. I love dark piano
> music like Kevin Moore's Autumn Moon and the piano
> solo in the song Ghost
> Ship by Shadow Gallery. So if there is anyone out
> there that knows of a
> pianist or a band with this type of piano in it
> please let me know.
>
> Thanx, and rock on jammers!
I'm not sure how many songs are like this, but on The
Doors' first album, "The Crystal Ship" features a
kinda spooky piano. Also, Led Zeppelin's "No Quarter"
contains a similar spooky piano (seek out live
versions from '73 if possible) interludes, plus a cool
guitar/drum/piano jam. I know this isn't exactly what
you asked for, but you might like it if you haven't
already heard it.
===
*Trent
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Hand on my face, pushed to the ground.
Enmity gauged, united by fear.
Forced to endure what I could not forgive."
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 18:27:39 -0400
From: psull@ici.net
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4874
Message-ID: <199905312205.SAA29894@bajor.ici.net>
> Note that because I defend her, it doesn't necessarily mean I agree with
> her style of music. I'm not a huge fan of mainstream music, but I'm not
> as against it as some jammers are.
I agree with your position here, but only because I don't think it's
the artists' fault (for the most part), because it's not about the
music. Let's be honest: if "pop music" was about the music, we
wouldn't be having this conversation, because DT clearly has the
music thing down. What it's *really* about is marketing. The music
is simply the fuel. That fuel gets them on the radio, which gets
them on TV, which sells out tours, which allows the powers-that-be
to sell everything form T-shirts to watches to whatever. They target
these sales at a very vulnerable demographic: teens and pre-teens.
These are the kids that desperately want to be accepted, and
buying all this crap gets them accepted. That's why these pop
stars have such short "lifespans"; once the kids have bought all the
stuff, the only way to make more money is to create/select a new
cool artist to put on the stuff. And thus the cycle continues.
I don't expect this to change; heck, it's been around longer than I
have. I was watching the Behind The Music episode on David
Cassidy today, and the whole scenario I just described happened
to him 25+ years ago. But just because I accept it doesn't mean I
have to like it.
And knowing that my kid is going to be in that target demographic
in a few years makes me even *less* happy about it.
___Pat Sullivan___________________________
Email: psull@ici.net
WWW: http://home.ici.net/~psull/psull.html
ICQ: 23499229 AIM: TOWHTSTS
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:50:05 GMT
From: "fateswarm _" <mlnglst@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: New Markus Steffen Interview (ex-SIEGES EVEN)
Message-ID: <19990531225006.78965.qmail@hotmail.com>
There's a new Markus Steffen interview (ex-Sieges Even) added on 'Epigram
for the last straw'.
If you are interested the address is:
http://homex.s-one.net.sg/member/progmetal
OR http://listen.to/progmetal
Seeyaround,
michael m.
ps. To join epigram's progmetal/progrock DISCUSSION mailing list visit
http://fly.to/epigram
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 19:04:51 -0400
From: Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com>
To: YtseeJam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Attention Drummers {NDTC}
Message-ID: <37531593.236E8187@frontierlogic.com>
Hey everyone,
I just wanted to cover the basses by emailing the Jam as well.
My band, Frontiers, which is a Journey Tribute band, needs a new
drummer. We're based out of New York City and we pretty much intend on
playing the entire catalog.
If you're at all interested, please email me at fmb@frontierlogic.com
-Frank Benenati
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 16:32:20 -0700
From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Gap Commercials Online
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990531163220.0099da80@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
Anyone that is infatuated with that black-spikey-haired chick, OR the
music, from that new Khaki Soul commercial, might enjoy this link.
http://www.gap.com/onlinestore/gap/advertising/khakiFrames.asp?sid=XV6V8LRM2
XSH2KHB00GPBKFLVEV9CGSA
Jon
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 19:37:14 EDT
From: YtseJam78@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net, DWilk46577@aol.com
Subject: Re:Dark Piano!
Message-ID: <ee5fab94.2484772a@aol.com>
<<<Ok I hope there is someone out there that can help me. I love dark piano
music like Kevin Moore's Autumn Moon and the piano solo in the song Ghost
Ship by Shadow Gallery. So if there is anyone out there that knows of a
pianist or a band with this type of piano in it please let me know.>>>
I hate to burst your bubble, but "Autumn Moon" isn't Kevin Moore. Mike Bahr
included it on "Scenes From A Memory" by accident. It's George Winston
playing.
~~Art
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:36:47 VET
From: "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: LTE video
Message-ID: <19990601003647.50892.qmail@hotmail.com>
Please apologize my ignorance, but I've been out of the list for quite a
while...
What's this LTE video everybody's talkin' about?
Please mail me privately.
Keep jammin'
-E#
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:56:51 -0400
From: Jax <jax@glol.net>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Power of Omens shirt (NDTC)
Message-ID: <01BEABA8.4020CF20.jax@glol.net>
RaY wrote:
> << Cool, Joe, so you were one of the dozens of guys there in IE
> shirts..wonder
> which one was you! I was the redhead in the Power of Omens shirt, down
> front headbanging with the best of em! What a great show! I got an
> autograph and a hug/kiss on the cheek from James Rivera of Destiny's
> End..that was cool :)
> Jax, Lady of the Oracle
> "..though life has scarred my heart, a piece of me still burns bright
> inside.."
> Power of Omens - Test of Wills >>
> AHHHHHHHHHH, where did you get that shirt?:> I'd love to get one!! I
fell in
> love with Power of Omens the firs time I heard the CD:> Such an awesome
CD!
> RaY
> -Through different eyes we seek . . . -
Hey RaY,
Yeah, I've noticed you using their lyrics now and then as your "sig"..
I'm their webmistress, so I got my Power of Omens t-shirt for
free..hehe..but you can e-mail Dave (PwrOfOmens@aol.com) and ask him for
one, I think they cost somewhere around $12 or $15..he'll ship one out to
you :) We'll have a link for selling them on the website soon as well.
Of related interest, they have started writing the new cd, and Dave
describes it as "intense"..should be another good one!!
Jax, Lady of the Oracle
NP: Magnitude 9 - Chaos to Control
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:59:06 +1000 (EST)
From: Niall Connaughton <nconnaug@socs.uts.edu.au>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Selling out, JLB, World Tour
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9906011040170.20590-100000@oddfoot>
I have been reading with interest everyone's comments on the selling out
thread. I would have to agree that it's very hard to succesfully force DT
upon people. I have converted one friend to DT, out of about 3 or 4
attempts, and I wouldn't say that he didn't already have a head start - he
was into Vai. I was converted to DT by a friend who just gave me some
tapes and left me with them. I discovered them about 6 months later.
I can accept everyone's statements about how and why they still like
mainstream music, but I still find it hard to listen to straight out
mainstream. I do like Dire Straits, and Days of the New. Does anyone else
here share these tastes? I guess it's hard for anything to really stack up
against DT, since I've been listening to them for about 5 or 6 years
now...
<Ya know, reading this statement, I just realized that
few people realize how good a singer JLB is. I've
never heard anyone ever really talk about it, but he
really is.>
I would agree with this statement in general. Definitely on the studio
albums his voice is terrific. However, I think that his voice gets a
little weak when it gets a good workout on tour. I'm sure everyone's
noticed him straining a little on OIALT. Also, I didn't like some of his
singing on LATM, as someone mentioned a while ago, the screaming puts me
off. I think that his best live singing is on the live tracks on ACoS... I
often find that JLB's style of vocals is one of the things that my friends
don't like about DT, and I remember questioning his style myself when I
first heard DT.
Now, on the topic of the world tour that is supposed to happen after the
release of the new albulm. Can anyone please tell me the unlikely good
news that the definition of "world" includes Australia?
Keep on jammin'
Niall
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:23:05 EDT
From: DWilk46577@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: ok, ok
Message-ID: <6ff9805c.24848ff9@aol.com>
I now know that autumn moon is not kevin moore, but my original question
still stands.
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:49:17 -0500
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Hot-headed audio gear
Message-ID: <37533C1D.7D5FC13A@isd.net>
Andrew Coutermarsh wrote:
>Anyway, I'm using a Teac AG-V8060 Audio/Video Surround Receiver, which up
>until now hasn't given me any problems whatsoever (I've had it since
>Christmas).
That's only 6 months! I certainly hope it's not given you any trouble.
>unit doesn't feel hot. When I was in school, though, it almost always had
>a fan running near it - would it be a good idea to keep it by a window or
>near my box fan so it could keep cool? Are there any other ideas as to
>why it could be doing this? I just like to listen to my music at a more
>than whisper level.
First off... Don't place anything on top of it, or near any of the vents.
I wouldn't recommend fan cooling it either, the electronics may have some
objections to the inevitable dust accumulation. Plus, the dust can act like a
blanket and hinder cooling even more. It sounds to me like the amp can't
deal with the low impedance of two speaker pairs. Try disconnecting one
pair, then crank on it for awhile, see if the problem disappears.
Let me know how that suggestion pans out. If it's impedance related, I
may have some ideas to remedy that condition. I will need more info on
your receiver and speakers before I can be of any real help.
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:50:22 +0200
From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Bahr/Bogie ;-)
Message-ID: <v04020a01b378ddc32517@[195.14.254.144]>
>But, with Bahr's track record, I wouldn't be surprised if he was aware it
>was Winston's piece and stuck it on Antiquities to pass it off as a "Dream
>Theater rarity". After all, he's tried doing that before...
Hey Bogie, you must not tell anybody about it... ;-))
Steffen
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THE MIRROR - German Dream Theater Fan Club (http://www.westend.com/TheMirror)
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:00:17 EDT
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: sell-out/G3
Message-ID: <83ffdcf1.248498b1@aol.com>
>< Now, to pin the blame on the people that buy the music is completely
unfair.
Firstly, they actually >do< enjoy the music they buy and listen to, or they
wouldn't buy it in the first place. ><
Most of them do, but plenty of them really are mind-controlled by MTV, the
radio, and popularity. These are the people that will buy a CD and only
listen to the 1, 2, or 3 singles from the album, while they skip past the
other songs. My brother was flipping through the TV and there was a concert
on MTV. I don't remember who was playing, but they were playing one of their
singles, and he kept it on. When the song ended, the band went to the next
song and my brother said "I never heard this song. It must not be good." and
he changed the channel. And I know one too many people like that who will buy
an album abnd only listen to the single(s). These are the real idiots. And
they're not all kids. I saw a 45-year old woman wearing a backstreet boys
shirt. *shudder*
>< Satch stated that Eric Johnson just isn`t "the material for G3". ><
Yeah, he's too good for them.
Jim
NP - Galactic Cowboys: s/t
Tori Amos: Little Earthquakes
The Bangles: Greatest Hits
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:09:15 -0500
From: Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Dark piano music
Message-ID: <19990531.210916.3478.0.schnapster@juno.com>
Somebody asked last jam about bands with dark piano music. My suggestion
is to try some Saviour Machine, particularly their album Saviour Machine
II, or Live in Deutschland. SM II is more piano based than the other
albums, though there is a lot of piano in the others, too. The live
album has a decent sample of songs from the first two. Legend and Legend
II have a good mix of piano and guitar, though aren't quite as easily
accessible as SM and SM II. Anyway, that's my suggestion.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 19:33:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: sell-out/G3
Message-ID: <19990601023318.18482.rocketmail@web503.yahoomail.com>
--- JamesAhab@aol.com wrote:
> Most of them do, but plenty of them really are
> mind-controlled by MTV, the
> radio, and popularity. These are the people that
> will buy a CD and only
> listen to the 1, 2, or 3 singles from the album,
> while they skip past the
> other songs.
YES! That's what I was getting at. You articulated
that a hell of a lot better than I did. It's really
sick that someone would do that, but it does happen.
A lot of preppy kids at my school do that.
Okay, here comes a tangent. The band Sugar Ray play
Metal-Lite, but all of their radio songs are softer
songs, geared for the pre-pubescent female fourteen
year old in all of us. I wonder if Sugar Ray concert
goers are put off by what constitutes (I would think)
90% of the band's catalog of music.
> My brother was flipping through the TV
> and there was a concert
> on MTV. I don't remember who was playing, but they
> were playing one of their
> singles, and he kept it on. When the song ended, the
> band went to the next
> song and my brother said "I never heard this song.
> It must not be good." and
> he changed the channel. And I know one too many
> people like that who will buy
> an album abnd only listen to the single(s). These
> are the real idiots. And
> they're not all kids. I saw a 45-year old woman
> wearing a backstreet boys
> shirt. *shudder*
Yeah, the Backporch Boys make me shudder too. You are
not alone.
===
*Trent
"I couldn't breathe, holdin' me down.
Hand on my face, pushed to the ground.
Enmity gauged, united by fear.
Forced to endure what I could not forgive."
* Eddie Vedder, a man amongst men
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:18:00 -0500
From: "Pete Davis" <phdavis@wt.net>
To: "Dream Theater Mailing List" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: FW: Beaumont YtseJammer
Message-ID: <000101beabdd$5a782d20$388277d8@phdavis.wt.net>
-----Original Message-----
]From: Pete Davis [mailto:phdavis@wt.net]
Sent: Monday, May 31, 1999 10:15 PM
To: Compadre32@aol.com
Subject: Beaumont YtseJammer
Hi,
I currently live in Houston but I am originally from Nederland. Finally,
someone else who listens to DT from my home area. What other bands are you
into?
I've bee listening to DT since '92. I have several friends in the Golden
Triangle that share my musical taste.
I agree that DT need to play Houston on the next tour. Last year, DT was
going to play at the Aerial Theater but the show was never scheduled due to
the Aerial believing it would not sell enough tickets.... what a crock!
My friend and I drove to Ft. Worth and San Antonio to see the shows. We
also went to New York in 95 and 96 to see the "Holiday" shows since there
was no tour at that time.
I usually come home on the weekends so we could hook up sometime if you'd
like.
Hope to hear from you soon,
Pete Davis
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:12:11 -0300
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@iname.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: The selling out thread (was: Re: Selling out, JLB, World Tour)
Message-ID: <19990531231211.A4302@iname.com>
On May 31 1999, Niall Connaughton wrote:
> I have been reading with interest everyone's comments on the
> selling out thread. (...)
Why do people actually take some of their time to comment on
the the "selling out" threads? It's a thread that appears on
music mailing lists in a cyclic fashion, *especially* when
some album/video/DVD/whatever is going to get released.
And no matter how much times it appear (Metallica, Megadeth,
Slayer, Dream Theater -- any band), the arguments are almost
always the same.
Just stay subscribed for a while in a music mailing
list. You'll see the same arguments over and over.
[]s, Roger...
P.S.: The outline is almost always like this: part of the fans will
say that the band has "matured", trying to expose evidences for why
they think that way, and part of the fans will argue that the band is
now more commercially oriented, leaving the "old, true, loyal fans,
those who supported the band since their beginnings" nothing but the
older albums.
If you like the band, just continue to listen to it, and ignore the
other fans opinions... You'll be happier. And the Internet will be
faster.
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:37:00 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Dark piano music
Message-ID: <003201beabe0$07753b60$750d84d0@korgx3>
>Somebody asked last jam about bands with dark piano music. My suggestion
>is to try some Saviour Machine, particularly their album Saviour Machine
Oooh. I second that wholeheartedly. Another bunch of dark piano type of
stuff I like to listen to is fellow jammer (I think he still reads this)
Andrew Miller's Subtlerage stuff. Do yourself a favor and go to
http://www.subtlerage.com/ and order Vicious Cycle. if you like that, get
his First Impressions CD, too. :) Great shit. Mostly instrumental, but a
couple of vocal tracks. Actually, the title track to Vicious Cycle is
almost 33 minutes long and is a damn great mix of instumental vocal parts.
It's almost all keyboard driven, but there are a couple of tracks with
guitar on his stuff. :) Love it. Just listened to it today .:)
More dark piano stuff I like is Type O Negative's October Rust album. I
wouldn't really call any of Savatage's stuff "dark piano" but they have some
really damn good piano driven songs. It seems like almost all of their
stuff is written in a major key for that optimistic attitude.
One of these days, I'll get off of my ass and write some solid stuff instead
of constantly noodling looking for that perfect song. Basically, no one I
know likes to sit and listen to me play. They suggest I go work for a
mortuary playing dirges and shit all day. :) Ah, well. I'm damn good at
it! :) I can never get enough minor and diminished chords into my stuff. :P
It's really sad. Anyway....
I think I'll go noodle a bit.
--
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NP: Schubert - Serenade (on classical guitar)
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