YTSEJAM Digest 4875
Today's Topics:
1) Funk yeah!
by "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com>
2) Re: G3
by "Sasha C." <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
3) LTE 2 Reviewed
by Yes0001@aol.com
4) Re: Selling out? Whatever.
by trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4874
by Diablo6491@aol.com
6) Re: Houston
by Justin James <rumtum@worldnet.att.net>
7) Dark Piano!
by DWilk46577@aol.com
8) bout time...:-)
by DWilk46577@aol.com
9) Re: Dark Piano!
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
10) sell-out-pop-sh*t-people
by Adrian79@aol.com
11) Re: O-P's LTE PAL video
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
12) Re: KorgXXX
by Jimbojorda@aol.com
13) Popular music/Dali's Dilemma references
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
14) Re: sell-out-pop-sh*t-people
by trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 06:18:00 PDT
From: "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Funk yeah!
Message-ID: <19990531131800.46490.qmail@hotmail.com>
Reasons why the ytsejam is some of the best reading on the internet...
* You get to hear about kick-ass obscure bands like T-Ride (Picked up their
self-titled. How can they NOT be an awesome 80's band? This sh*t
rocks!!!). Porcupine Tree, Gordian Knot, Vallejo (Funk Yeah!)
* You get to hear about wicked-ass collaborations like Devin Townsend and
Aphex Twin. If this actually went down, I can't think of a more
scary/talented/mind-blowing combination!!!!! Lots of screams to be sure.
;)
* You are able to discuss your favorite gap-ad chick. (Khaki soul - white
chick with black spikey hair - Gettin' Jiggy Wit dat!!!)
* You get to hear about all the lies people have been telling us over the
years about consumer audio.
* It has COMPLETELY shaped my taste in music over the years. Probably over
40% of my CD collection now has sprung from suggestions/tangents from the
ytsejam.
Seriously, the state of the jam is better than ever. Minimal flame wars,
INTERESTING TOPICS, nobody competing for end-of-jam competitions. No daily,
predictable childishness. The maturity level has risen quite noticably
lately and I'm loving it. Some of the stuff that pops up on this list is
just mind-blowing. Keep up the awesome content, guys. This list blows all
others out of the water.
Now if the egocentric dorks would keep the Star Wars info off the list I'd
be happiest. I've seen it twice now and really feel for those of you who
haven't. Okay, here's the ultimate spoiler:
You won't be disappointed. ;)
I love you guys. Really.
- Dr. Teeth
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 16:45:30 +0200
From: "Sasha C." <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: G3
Message-ID: <000c01beab74$bab172a0$62e91dc3@sasa>
>Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 07:44:10 +0200
>From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
>To: YtseLand <ytsejam@axnet.net>
>Subject: G3
>Message-ID: <375221AA.523E548D@mol.com.mk>
>Did some surfin' around ...
>What ever happened with that Satch / Vai / K.W.Sheppard with guest
>Robert Fripp thing???
>Also, after the Satch/Vai/Johnson G3 , I read in a guitar magazine about
>2-nd G3 project, led by Satch, and this time Marty Friedman was supposed
>to be included and some other ...
>Didn't hear news on this one too.
I know that this will sound very, very odd... but I`ve recently read
somewhere on the Internet (I was almost sure that it was on www.satriani.com
until i went back to the site and realized that it must have been somewhere
else) that there is an upcoming G3 tour but only in Australia and/or Japan
consisting of (check this out) - Joe Satriani, Steve Vai... and... Yngwie J.
Malmsteen. When I read this, I was totally blown away (and cursed cause i
wasn`t born as a "little yellow fellow"). I know that I was surfing around
www.ibanez.com then www.vai.com and already mentioned www.satriani.com that
evening. But the next day I went back to some of those sites to show it to
my friend and I just couldn`t remember where i read it... stupid me.
Although it seemed very odd to me (cause as far as i know Malmsteen isn`t
such a close friend to Satch and Vai to say the least :-))) the thing might
happen. Satch stated that Eric Johnson just isn`t "the material for G3".
Now, I don`t know if that stuff about Friedman is true - but I would be
absolutely fucking happy if the thing happened... of course, I expect them
to come to Europe... :-)).
"Lifting shadows off a dream
Once broken
She can turn a drop of water
Into an ocean..."
John Myung of Dream Theater
["Lifting Shadows Off A Dream"]
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 11:13:03 EDT
From: Yes0001@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: LTE 2 Reviewed
Message-ID: <3c031c8d.248400ff@aol.com>
MSJ 16 is up now. New progressive rock reviews include Liquid Tension
Experiment 2, Japanese band Wappa Gappa, Spock`s Beard-Day For Night,
Fish-Raingods With Zippos, and Wappa Gappa`s debut release is the progressive
flashback for the issue. Progressive metal reviews for the month include
Puerto Rican band Puya and Candlemass as the flashback. The non progressive
entries are Nazareth and Tori Amos` Boys for Pele as the flashback. Indie
mania review for this month is Qoph, a Swedish prog band. Also new this
month, a review of the Chicago Spock`s Beard concert, and interviews with
Fish and SB`s Neal Morse.
Please, if you have not already done so, respond to the poll.
Check out Music Street Journal at www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Arena/9250/
Thanks
Gary Hill
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 08:45:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Selling out? Whatever.
Message-ID: <19990531154545.29876.rocketmail@web507.yahoomail.com>
--- KorgX3 wrote:
> Even further down the
> road when I started listening to STP, Pearl Jam, and
> Nirvana, I still can't
> and >won't< (even though alot of people will give me
> shit for it) say that I
> don't like it. I can still pick out those old CD's
> and rock to them as much
> as any Superior or Dream Theater album.
Agreed, but then again I'm a dyed in the wool Pearl
Jam fan, so their peers are (at the very least)
interesting to me. When I say peers, think Nirvana,
Alice In Chains, Soundgarden (who probably aren't a
peer of PJ come to think of it...)
> Now, to pin the blame on the people that buy the
> music is completely unfair.
> Firstly, they actually >do< enjoy the music they buy
> and listen to, or they
> wouldn't buy it in the first place.
No doubt. I went thru my Radio Phase a few years back
and there's no denying that I enjoyed what I was
listening to, I just didn't really listen to it with a
very critical ear. I just accepted and consumed it.
> Secondly, what
> they listen to >is<
> attributed to what they hear on the radio. Why?
> Because it is the most
> accessible medium to pick up one new music.
Hm, never thought of it that way. I've been using the
radio as a sampler of late. I buy stuff based on
whether I like it or not. Some of the music I like
gets radio play, some doesn't. I must admit there's
something kinda satisfying about knowing that I'm one
of the few people in my town that likes Dream Theater
that I know of. That band are like my personal stash
of good music to listen to and I need not worry about
the radio overplaying any of their songs.
> I've said it before. Whatever you do, don't throw
> anyone on the floor, play
> DT full blast, and give them noogies until they cry
> out (dishonestly) that
> they like it. It only makes them hate it worse and
> then they spread the
> word to all their friends to not listen to it.
Yeah that whole "I'll teach him what good music is and
MAKE him like my music" mentality is pretty stupid.
According to my brother, Dream Theater is a bunch of
shit and there's not much I can do to change his mind.
I could play "Metropolis", "6:00" or "Hollow Years"
until I'm blue in the face and it would accomplish
nothing.
> Try to get
> them to pick up an
> instrument. (It gives them alot of respect for
> talented players).
Ya know, reading this statement, I just realized that
few people realize how good a singer JLB is. I've
never heard anyone ever really talk about it, but he
really is.
===
*Trent
"I couldn't breathe, holdin' me down.
Hand on my face, pushed to the ground.
Enmity gauged, united by fear.
Forced to endure what I could not forgive."
* Eddie Vedder, a man amongst men
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 11:46:20 EDT
From: Diablo6491@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4874
Message-ID: <2935309a.248408cc@aol.com>
<< Cool, Joe, so you were one of the dozens of guys there in IE
shirts..wonder
which one was you! I was the redhead in the Power of Omens shirt, down
front headbanging with the best of em! What a great show! I got an
autograph and a hug/kiss on the cheek from James Rivera of Destiny's
End..that was cool :)
Jax, Lady of the Oracle
"..though life has scarred my heart, a piece of me still burns bright
inside.."
Power of Omens - Test of Wills
>>
AHHHHHHHHHH, where did you get that shirt?:> I'd love to get one!! I fell in
love with Power of Omens the firs time I heard the CD:> Such an awesome CD!
RaY
-Through different eyes we seek . . . -
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 11:12:38 -0700
From: Justin James <rumtum@worldnet.att.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Houston
Message-ID: <3752D116.6499B7EC@worldnet.att.net>
I'm in Houston, but not for long, I'm going off to A&M this coming fall
Justin
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 14:08:16 EDT
From: DWilk46577@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Dark Piano!
Message-ID: <4b3c4b8c.24842a10@aol.com>
Ok I hope there is someone out there that can help me. I love dark piano
music like Kevin Moore's Autumn Moon and the piano solo in the song Ghost
Ship by Shadow Gallery. So if there is anyone out there that knows of a
pianist or a band with this type of piano in it please let me know.
Thanx, and rock on jammers!
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 14:11:47 EDT
From: DWilk46577@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: bout time...:-)
Message-ID: <c894218c.24842ae3@aol.com>
I just bought Dali's D and i must say that it kix a large portion of ass
compared to the stuff i've gotten recently:Dream Child's CD and Wounded by
Enchant. They were both ok, but not as good as Dali....well now you guys can
rip on me all you want!
Thanx...:-)
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 14:25:51 -0400
From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Dark Piano!
Message-ID: <4.1.19990531142218.00a8fe40@po7.mit.edu>
Actually, that instrumental entitled "Autumn Moon" on Mike Bahr's
Antiquities CD (I'm pretty sure it's Antiquities--I don't have the CD right
in front of me.) is neither written nor performed by Kevin Moore.
The track entitled "Autumn Moon" is actually written and performed by
George Winston, a new age pianist, and the song is the first 2 minutes
from Winston's song called "Moon" from the album Autumn. Supposedly,
Bahr found the track at the end of a DAT of Dream Theater material he received
from someone and thought the piece was written and performed by Moore.
But, with Bahr's track record, I wouldn't be surprised if he was aware it was
Winston's piece and stuck it on Antiquities to pass it off as a "Dream Theater
rarity". After all, he's tried doing that before...
-Bogie
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Dream Theater - Lines in the Sand
http://dreamtheater.mit.edu/
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At 11:11 AM 5/31/99 -0700, DWilk46577@aol.com wrote:
>
>Ok I hope there is someone out there that can help me. I love dark piano
>music like Kevin Moore's Autumn Moon and the piano solo in the song Ghost
>Ship by Shadow Gallery. So if there is anyone out there that knows of a
>pianist or a band with this type of piano in it please let me know.
>
>Thanx, and rock on jammers!
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 14:33:47 EDT
From: Adrian79@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: sell-out-pop-sh*t-people
Message-ID: <bb6f1e13.2484300b@aol.com>
> My gripe with that type of music isn't the people who
> make it, it's the people who buy it. They mostly only
> buy whatever is popular and never think about the fact
> that most of it is inane shit. I like that Britney
> Spears song that's on MTV all the time, but that's
> probably the only one they play that I do like. The
> stuff I listen to isn't totally mainstream, but it's
> not totally "underground" either. I just have nothing
> but resentment for those people who buy whatever MTV
> tells them to buy.
Why can't you just let those people listen to what they want to listen to?
Just show a little bit respect towards their musical taste and they will do
the same in return. And.. most people are no stupid robots without an own
mind waiting for MTV to tell them what to listen to (as you seem to think).
To quote John Myung (in Bass Professor 2/98):
Q: And what do you think about "normal" Pop- and Rockmusic?
JM: I don't have any objections towards songs that have a more conventional
structure. Actually I listen to such kind of music quite often. I also have
to say, that I respect the way composers write songs for the charts. It is
not easy to write a pop-song that conveys a message within three-and-a-half
minutes. From time to time we also have the one or other song in our program
that has a more "traditional" style with Intro, Verse, Verse, Bridge, Chorus,
Verse, Bridge, Chorus. We do this on purpose to have a contrast to the other
more difficult songs.
Both of these approaches make a lot of fun!"
Amen!
(The interview part was translated freely from german into english)
Adrian
~shows respect and is respected
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 13:52:03 -0500
From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: O-P's LTE PAL video
Message-ID: <iss.6f3.3752da51.90add.1@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Jammers, I have a PAL/SECAM vcr, and no use for it. It's a nice little editing
deck, with the following features:
shuttle and normal search
Dolby NR
audio monitor channel fader
b/w or color selection
audio rec levels
memory function (not sure what this is)
record/audio dub
playback to ntsc
inputs/outputs:
2-channel mic
headphones
2-channel audio in/out
video in
tv in
sync in
monitor out
etc....
If anyone is interested, let me know. I don't know that the unit works, it
wasn't mine. Whoever wants it can pay shipping and if it works we'll work out
payment...since I didn't pay for it, I'm not looking for more than $150 if it's
working. I'd probably let it go for less...
-Brian
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No hope.
No fear.
-Max Cavalera
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 16:01:32 EDT
From: Jimbojorda@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: KorgXXX
Message-ID: <686f1798.2484449c@aol.com>
good post about mainstream rock and stuff. rational and balanced approach to
the subject. i agree with most of what you said, although i'm guilty of the
"throw anyone on the floor, play DT full blast, and give them noogies until
they cry out (dishonestly) that they like it", as you put it. and it's just
stupid.
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 14:34:28 -0700
From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Popular music/Dali's Dilemma references
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990531143428.0091e100@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
>Subject: Selling out? Whatever.
Great post Korg -- Thought I might add my own thoughts to the fray.
>Strange how I still have a hella collection of BJ and DL stuff in my CD
collection. Even further down the road when I >started listening to STP,
Pearl Jam, and Nirvana, I still can't and >won't< (even though alot of
people will give me shit for >it) say that I don't like it. I can still
pick out those old CD's and rock to them as much as any Superior or Dream
Theater >album.
Absolutely true, and worth repeating. I remember back in the day when I
owned my Debbie Gibson albums, my Vanilla Ice, my New Kids -- I bought it
because I was really young and had no idea there was other stuff out there.
It was the only thing I was exposed to on MTV, so it made sense to like
it. And I did too -- I can still recite most of Ice Ice Baby. It was like
a right of passage in my group of friends, to know the whole damn thing.
"Allright STOP! Collaborate and listen..." Collaborate? Why do we need
to collaborate? Oh well. If I didn't like the popular stuff, I wouldn't
know what else to listen to...
Skip to 8th grade, what I consider my first musical enlightenment, and I
discover GNR and Metallica, RHCP - These guys were like a revelation
because they were so much harder and more passionate and so much more fun
to listen to than any of the MTV bands I had listened to before. Even
though these guys were still pretty popular, or at least in that general
genre, I started understanding that there was more than just Nirvana out
there. I maintain that I NEVER EVER liked Nirvana. Always, even when I
was impressionable, thought they sounded like shit. Did like PearlJam's
Ten though -- terrific album.
Basically, up until I heard I&W for the first time, all I listened to was
the popular stuff, and I enjoyed it. Why? Because it was catchy, it was
enjoyable, it was a common denominator between my friends, and most
importantly, because I didn't know there was anything else out there. I
still listen to Third Eye Blind, Matchbox 20, the Goo Goo Dolls, Live, and
Dave Matthews Band, but that is the definite minority in my CD collection.
Filled otherwise with classical stuff, DT, Angra, Superior, Sym X, etcetcetc.
You want the reason I listen to popular music? It IS catchy, it IS fun to
listen to when I don't want to think, and it IS a common denominator with
my friends when they don't want to listen to DT. DT and Sym. X make me
think when I listen to their music. They make me analyze and try to listen
closer every time I press play. But sometimes I don't want that, and when
those moods hit, I listen to simpler stuff. I don't find anything wrong
with listening to the "popular" stuff, as long as you like it. It isn't
like you are disrespecting prog by doing so...
Have you listened to Motorcycle Drive-By off of 3EB's self titled album?
How about Pearl Jam's fifth song off of their Ten album, Black? I love
those songs JUST as much as ballads by Shadow Gallery or Superior. I get
chills EVERY time I listen to those two songs because of the emotion in the
music, and in the lyrics. Just because it isn't prog doesn't mean it can't
pack a whallop of meaning and passion. Don't be afraid to wade through the
crap, because chances are there is a song a "popular" band has written that
will knock your socks off. Granted, you aren't going to find a great song
as often as when you are listening to prog, but they ARE out there in the
popular world, you just have to let go of your prog-pride a little to find
it. I will proudly continue to listen to my popular music, not because it
is the thing to do, but because I enjoy it. And that should be enough
justification for anyone. It's catchy, and I like it. :)
>Whatever you do, don't throw anyone on the floor, play
>DT full blast, and give them noogies until they cry out (dishonestly) that
>they like it.
ABSOLUTELY. How many times have I played Metropolis with 4 friends in the
car, and said "Listen to this!" and fast forwarded to the end, the crazy
part, drumming the patterns on my steering wheel, and had four different
responses:
"This fucking sucks." from a guy.
"This is scary." from a chick."
"Is this a computer?" from a guy.
"Hey don't you have any DMB?" from a chick.
If you are going to play DT for your friends, just play it. I've been
trying to get my girlfriend to like DT for 7 months now, and barely
anything has worked. But last night, I was just letting Hell's Kitchen
play, softly drumming along to it, and she says "Who is this? I like it."
I said "Dream Theater, of course." I mean, hell. What else would be in my
car?
The point is, you can't get people to like DT by TELLING them that it is
awesome music, and that they should like it no matter what. You just have
to play it for them, and hope that it sticks. Like throwing one of those
sticky spiders against the wall and hopping that it stays up a really long
time, rather than just falling off. Or something. I learned a LONG time
ago that 99.9% of my friends just don't like my music. That is it. And it
hurts sometimes because it is such an important part of who I am. But I've
accepted it and moved on. Now, if someone likes my music, and wants to
hear more, I give em more, but not with the hope that they will become a
fanatic -- I hope now that they will just respect and appreciate it.
Hardly anyone I've ever met, save for a few, loves music and prog as much
as I do. So I've learned not to expect people to love it. It has made my
job of converting people a hell of a lot easier, lowering my expectations.
But I will continue to listen to my music, and enjoy it. If other people
like it, fine. If not, I will just have to continue playing it passively
in the background, and hope that I change some minds. But if not, I don't
take offense to it... haha
Now the trick is to find a cute chick that goes as crazy about DT as me. I
will marry her. I swear by it. :)
Speaking of great music, I trust everyone has been listening to Dali's
Dilemma recently. I thought I might run a few curiosities by everyone:
Track 5 -- Ashen Days @ 2:39 - 2:34
Sounds suspiciously like Age Of Impact, no? :)
Track 10 -- Living in Fear @ 5:20 - 5:46, ESPECIALLY 5:42-5:46
Terrific reference to DT!
If other people notice other references, PLEASE pass them on...Those were
the only ones I caught after a week of listening to the album.
Hope I didn't put too many to sleep.
Take Care.
Jon
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 15:14:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: sell-out-pop-sh*t-people
Message-ID: <19990531221415.2682.rocketmail@web507.yahoomail.com>
--- Adrian79@aol.com wrote:
> Why can't you just let those people listen to what
> they want to listen to?
> Just show a little bit respect towards their musical
> taste and they will do
> the same in return. And.. most people are no stupid
> robots without an own
> mind waiting for MTV to tell them what to listen to
> (as you seem to think).
I do see your point. And I do like some pop music,
but what is the point of buying CDs you could listen
to on the radio? I know people who's CD collections
mirror what's burning the charts from now going back
two or three years. I'm not going to tell people what
to buy, but when someone buys Britney Spears' CD and
only listens to one song on it, I must question why.
Music is a great thing, esp Dream Theater's music.
This brings us to...
> To quote John Myung (in Bass Professor 2/98):
Do you have the complete English translation of that
interview available to you? I'm a neo-phyte DT fan
(only been a fan for about six months or so) so I want
to hear what he has to say. If you do have it, please
e-mail it privately. Thanks either way.
===
*Trent
"I couldn't breathe, holdin' me down.
Hand on my face, pushed to the ground.
Enmity gauged, united by fear.
Forced to endure what I could not forgive."
* Eddie Vedder, a man amongst men
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