YTSEJAM Digest 5166
Today's Topics:
1) The Spirit Carries On?
by DTGirl2612@aol.com
2) FREE Top-Rated Y2K TEST For Your PC... Has Your PC Been Tested Yet?
by y2ktech@eastmail.com
3) vision thing
by Chris Oates <coates@objy.com>
4) RE: SfaM In Japan
by "Lisa Marie Palma" <firegirl@flashcom.net>
5) MP3s & Child prodigies
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5165
by "Rob Bowen" <rfbow@erols.com>
7) Re: MP3s & Child prodigies
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5165
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
9) Re: Tommy
by JamesAhab@aol.com
10) Re: SFaM
by JamesAhab@aol.com
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5164
by WAxlRose01@aol.com
12) Re: More reincarnation schtuff
by JamesAhab@aol.com
13) funny stuff
by Eric Thibaut <nedrapture@netscape.net>
14) SFAM ending (timeline; rocking chair)
by JamesAhab@aol.com
15) Re: SFaM
by Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
16) Jordan's horn
by Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
17) "Most Frequent Poster" lists
by "Mark Bredius" <bredius@quicknet.nl>
18) Horns again
by Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
19) Japanese bonus?
by Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
20) Re: SfaM In Japan
by Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com>
21) Som many jams!
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
22) Something out of left field
by "Toby Guidry" <strangebrew@mindspring.com>
23) Re: Som many jams!
by "Chuck Reis" <korgx3@safelink.net>
24) Re: More ranting
by JamesAhab@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:07:50 EST
From: DTGirl2612@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: The Spirit Carries On?
Message-ID: <0.55fc71eb.2550aca6@aol.com>
>From: Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
>I think the whole "girl on the cover of I&W" stuff is way off mark.
>Victoria's probably early 20s, ok. I think that Nick is pretty old, if
>Victoria died in 1928, then Nick (to be the continuation of her soul) would
>have been born at the same time.
Why should he? As nobody knows what happens for certain after you die, her
soul could have been suspended in limbo for a while before becoming Nicholas
OR Victoria could have had another life in between then and now.
The philosophical possibilities are endless ......
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:20:10 +0500 (GMT)
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 13:26:20 -0800
From: Chris Oates <coates@objy.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: vision thing
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991102132620.00a2ca10@objypop>
>Now, here I think is where we are going wrong. Nick is seeing visions from
>Victoria's life, as he says in SDV. He's not seeing anything from Ed or
Julian's
>life.
Read "The Miracle" lyrics on Finally free. This takes place AFTER julian
and Victoria are dead. How can Nick know this if he is only seeing things
from Vic's point of view?
~Chris
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:34:53 -0800
From: "Lisa Marie Palma" <firegirl@flashcom.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: SfaM In Japan
Message-ID: <001b01bf257a$19bd7df0$f9d80a0a@gx266-fw1tm.worldres.com>
> > Actually, it's gonna have Raise the Knife with vocals and a new
> > track that was left out
> > of SFAM called "The Revenge" which is supposed to be an insane
> > instrumental.
>
> Yeah, I am batting a thousand on this list... Sorry if I am giving out
> wrong info... If i can find that post where "someone" said
> there would be
> no exta tracks i will send it back... I guess actually it
> won't do much
> help because I'm probably misinformed anyway!!! It will be
> great though
> if there are some other tracks!!! thanks for informing me...
Silly Jammer!
NEVER listen to Dr. Mosh... unless he's giving advice on taking
penicillin or something.
;op
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 15:45:04 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: MP3s & Child prodigies Message-ID: <381F5B60.D3A109A2@isd.net>
Cybertrent wrote: >I just downloaded ryche's entire 'Empire' album in mp3 >format (shut up Al) and so far it seems to be okay,
Now wait a minute.. I don't have a problem with MP3s; I just don't see them a the "Holy Grail" of music reproduction. I have made several purchases from MP3 previews.. Superior - Vanden Plas - Spock's Beard - Royal Hunt - and several more. I have over a gig of drive space occupied by MP3s.. I also have cubic bucks (and space) tied up in Snap-On tools. That doesn't mean I look forward to car failures just so I can manhandle my shinny tools. Like my tools, MP3s are just a means to an end. Does this make sense?
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MaxArbot wrote: >This isn't like _Dune_. Child prodigies aren't born with an innate sense of >language and information. Sure, they develop it very quickly, but they don't >plop out of the womb reciting poems.
I wouldn't be so sure... Back in 89, I distinctly remember looking at my 2 day old son the day we left the hospital; He had that confused eyebrow thing happening.. He looked up at me and mumbled under his breath... "This is going to be a long fucking eighteen years"
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When you live in the land of 10,000 lakes, it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water.
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:59:27 -0500 From: "Rob Bowen" <rfbow@erols.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5165 Message-ID: <000b01bf257d$8be14800$0699accf@rfbow>
>I want to remind everybody that the album has only been released for 7 >days. That's right; it may seem like it's been a lot longer - I only >received my copy on Friday but I think I may have played it 20 or so times >already, maybe more - it's only been a week. IF the boys of OFB are going >to confirm any stories, it won't be for quite a while, so I'd prefer to >think that whatever theories we have are great, but we won't know the TRUE >answers for a while, if ever at all.
Well said! I agree completely. It's way to early for anyone aside from DT to say "Ah yes, I know *exactly* how things happened.".
> Finally, when the casino guy is talking from out of > the right channel, I HEAR HIM SAY the following while > Victoria is getting pounded. > "Who wants more, who want the hard core, who wants > more, who wants more, who wants hard core...who wants > to come" And THEN, JR rips into his solo. hence, > victoria has come....beeeeaauuutifuuuul! > > Later All, > -Raf-
He's actually saying "Hard four", not "hard core". "Hard Four" is the Craps term for rolling two 2's.
>Actually.. I really am siding with the people who think the hypnotherapist >was already there, now. It suiges between both points of view. I think Korg >was the first person to spot it but if you LISTEN REALLY CLOSELY, around the >time he pours the drink you hear the same segment of finally free that Nick >was playing when he stopped his car, playing in the background. It's there >folks, I didn't understand it either, but now I do.
I noticed that part around the first or second listen, but that sinister theme (which basically symbolizes the Hypnotherapist) could indicate Nicholas arriving outside OR the hypnotherapist arriving outside OR the hypnotherapist moving in on Nicholas from another room OR a lot of other things as well. I think that theme is an extremely important clue, I'm just not sure exactly how it is important yet.
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:24:34 -0800 (PST) From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: MP3s & Child prodigies Message-ID: <19991102222434.25486.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com>
--- "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> wrote: > > Now wait a minute.. I don't have a problem with > MP3s; I just don't see them > a the "Holy Grail" of music reproduction. I have > made several purchases from > MP3 previews.. Superior - Vanden Plas - Spock's > Beard - Royal Hunt - and > several more. I have over a gig of drive space > occupied by MP3s.. > I also have cubic bucks (and space) tied up in > Snap-On tools. That doesn't mean > I look forward to car failures just so I can > manhandle my shinny tools. Like my tools, > MP3s are just a means to an end. Does this make > sense?
Makes sense. I just know that you're one hell of an audiophile and I figured you'd probably have a low opinion of mp3s. Have you heard mp4s? If so, how do they compare to mp3s?
As for the band's you mention, I'd never heard of or heard music from Superior until I downloaded two of their songs. Judging by those two songs alone, I'd have to call myself a Superior fan, although I can't find any of their CDs. Anyone got any (non-CDNow) ideas of how to track a few down?
===== *Trent
"Life is like a nacho; you can put anything you want on it, but if it gets too cheesy, it's your fault." Me
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:51:21 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5165 Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9911021743280.30781-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Rob Bowen wrote:
> >Actually.. I really am siding with the people who think the > >hypnotherapist was already there, now. It suiges between both points of > >view. I think Korg was the first person to spot it but if you LISTEN > >REALLY CLOSELY, around the time he pours the drink you hear the same > >segment of finally free that Nick was playing when he stopped his car, > >playing in the background. It's there folks, I didn't understand it > >either, but now I do. > > I noticed that part around the first or second listen, but that > sinister theme (which basically symbolizes the Hypnotherapist) could > indicate Nicholas arriving outside OR the hypnotherapist arriving > outside OR the hypnotherapist moving in on Nicholas from another room > OR a lot of other things as well. I think that theme is an extremely > important clue, I'm just not sure exactly how it is important yet.
I gave this a listen just now (since it was reaching that part in the album anyway while I was listening to it), and I have to admit that it sounds VERY MUCH like a car radio being shut off. I'll have to take by this new evidence (new to me since reading the message at the top, at least) that the Hypnotherapist is waiting inside the house when Nicholas gets there. I mean, obviously, it could be meaning something in a less obvious manner, but I take this to be one more clue that shows the similarity in the time frames and the difference in the cutscenes.
I still say that I don't know what the hell happens at the end of this CD. I don't think I'll really understand what's going on (and I'm probably going to be the first to say that I won't really TRY to understand it either) until the real truth is reveled, if it ever is.
But I have to say that with the attention to detail that DT has given us in all the other aspects of the album, why wouldn't they try to make it just a LITTLE clearer that Nicholas died? I must admit, I really don't think that he dies at the end... There just isn't any reason to assume that he's dead. Yeah, you can make an argument for the whole record-skip thing being a symbol of his life being severed... I have to say that it could, in all likelihood, be Nicholas going to the HT's house instead of the HT being in Nicholas' house... THIS kind of information might make me lean toward the HT being Edward... But then we run into the whole he-has-to-be-at-least-101-years-old thing...
So I dunno. Maybe I'm on the right track, maybe not - it's not that important to me. The music is first and foremost with me, because I can't even pretend to understand the whole storyline.
NP: Guess what? It's NOT SFaM! Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:51:48 EST From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Tommy Message-ID: <0.3c9ad942.2550c504@aol.com>
>< I got The Who's "Tommy", the other day. I must say that it is one amazing album. IMO not as good as "The Wall" but very good none the less. So i have a question. I am confused. Between the songs Pinball Wizard and Sally Simpson, is Tommy CURED? Cause the whole Sally SImpson song talks about Tommy Speaking and leading a religious cult or something. What the hell happened. Or is this something that is going on in Tommy's mind?? Also i'm looking for a site or an essay that explains the whole story of Tommy. ><
Don't feel bad. I've had Operation: Mindcrime for a year and I'm still trying to figure it out.
Jim
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:55:34 EST From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: SFaM Message-ID: <0.c3d21658.2550c5e6@aol.com>
>< > John Petrucci stated in an interview > after a clinic, that the story is roughly about > the MAN WHO'S TRYING TO FIND THE KILLER OF HIS WIFE > IN HER PAST LIFE. ><
Either you misheard him, or Mike is the only guy in the band who has any idea what the hell the story's about (remember laBrie said the character's name was Victoria Julian?).
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:03:27 EST From: WAxlRose01@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5164 Message-ID: <0.d2a041ae.2550c7bf@aol.com>
I think we put too much credence in what the band says. They've said that Nicholas is Victoria: fine. They've also said the plot of the story is a man seeking revenge for the murder of his WIFE in a past lifetime: fine. Since Nicholas has already been established as Victoria, that means that another character in the present must be the 'man seeking revenge'. The Hypno is the only other character in the present. Edward and Julian were the two men involved with Victoria. Since Edward was the murderer, he can't be seeking revenge. So at this point, according to the BAND, Nicholas IS Victoria and the Hypno IS Julian. At this point, no theories about the Hypno killing Nicholas in the end can be correct. So the bands own statements foil any guesses! comments?
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:10:21 EST From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: More reincarnation schtuff Message-ID: <0.d5fe5104.2550c95d@aol.com>
>< > but you have to remember one thing about this story: we don't know one Goddamn thing about reincarnation, much less if it exists.
Correction: YOU don't know . . . I do. ><
Oh please, don't even start. This debate is over.
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Date: 2 Nov 99 18:20:44 EST From: Eric Thibaut <nedrapture@netscape.net> To: YtseJam@torchsong.com Subject: funny stuff Message-ID: <19991102232044.5965.qmail@www0v.netaddress.usa.net>
This is crazy
I'm listening to Beyond this life, and my roommate turns on TV, and it';s= on MTV. The are doing that dance around the world crap, but the volume is al= l the way down, and they are dancing to DT, almost in perfect time, well until = DT plays in 12/8. But in 4..... too funny.
Ned
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:22:01 EST From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: SFAM ending (timeline; rocking chair) Message-ID: <0.d810a5c5.2550cc19@aol.com>
>< Okay, not really. But my friend and I came up with this little scenario about the ending of FF. See what you think:
We hear the following sounds in this order:
Finally Free being played on the car stereo Finally Free being turned off from the car stereo The car door opens The car door closes Footsteps on gravel Footsteps on wooden stairs The unlocking of the door The closing of the door The sound of the TV Footsteps on gravel ><
Everything in your little time,ine is right except this. The TV is on before the door closes. It's not that hard to hear, but turn it up anyway. There a few lines, something like "...top story in Russia, Europe..." or sonmething like that. The it gets louder to where the guy is saying "a sign of American mobility." SO the door shuts after we hera the TV. That doesn't make any sense. So I think the cut happened before the door is opened.
>< Where does the rocking chair come in ? You can distinctly hear someone rocking and then other footsteps towards the rocker then the hypno say "open your eyes, Nicholas" ><
It's not a rocking chair, it's the creeking of the door.
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 19:56:55 -0500 From: Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: SFaM Message-ID: <381F8857.BDF2D0DA@yunque.net>
JamesAhab@aol.com wrote:
> >< > John Petrucci stated in an interview > > after a clinic, that the story is roughly about > > the MAN WHO'S TRYING TO FIND THE KILLER OF HIS WIFE > > IN HER PAST LIFE. >< > > Either you misheard him, or Mike is the only guy in the band who has any idea > what the hell the story's about (remember laBrie said the character's name > was Victoria Julian?).
Where was this LaBrie interview publicated?(in what language) Im pretty sure that mustve been a misunderstanding of the interviewer/translator. If it was a US/Cdn or any english speaking magazine then well... JLB needs to pass the pipe. :)
--
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 01:08:53 +0100 From: Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Jordan's horn Message-ID: <v04220805b4452c679516@[192.168.1.1]>
>>That horn section in BTL was kind of annoying, but that's it > > i thought those were a nod to Trent Gardner/Magellan....not sure that they > entirely fit, but I like 'em....
It's more of a nod to Gentle Giant, if Jordan is actually nodding here ;-)
That section screams Gentle Giant. Or Zappa, depending on your musical background. Whatever, I love it anyway. This song combines everything I love about this band.
Cheers,
Steffen -- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@dtifc.com) THE MIRROR - German Dream Theater Fan Club (http://www.dtifc.com/themirror)
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 01:12:39 +0100 From: "Mark Bredius" <bredius@quicknet.nl> To: "Freaks mailinglist" <freaks@torchsong.com>, Subject: "Most Frequent Poster" lists Message-ID: <000d01bf2590$2409bec0$0100007f@localhost>
A few days late again, but here they are...
The Freaks and Ytsejam "Most Frequent Poster" lists for October 1999...
URL: http://www.digitalrodent.com/itchy/
Enjoy,
Mark Bredius ........................................................... : S P O C K ' S B E A R D - S t r a n g e W o r l d : :.... http://www.digitalrodent.com/itchy/spocksbeard/ ....: : P O R C U P I N E T R E E - D a r k M a t t e r : :........ http://www.digitalrodent.com/itchy/pt/ .........:
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 01:18:51 +0100 From: Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Horns again Message-ID: <v04220807b4452f0632e3@[192.168.1.1]>
Just read this:
>More likely it's a tribute to Emerson, who used synth horn patches a lot.
I meant the melodies on that part, Jordan's patches are indeed sometimes sounding like Keith Emerson, minus the Hammond (being no organ man). This honky tonk part that apparently irritates some of you is a direct reference to Emerson ;-)
Steffen -- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@dtifc.com) THE MIRROR - German Dream Theater Fan Club (http://www.dtifc.com/themirror)
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 01:29:35 +0100 From: Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Japanese bonus? Message-ID: <v04220808b4453175c579@[192.168.1.1]>
Holy shit.
The Japanese pressing does NOT, repeat: NOT have any bonus tracks or CDs. Just a sticker with the artwork.
There are no leftover songs recorded, though there are different mixes that could find their way on a single or something (remember that the album was mixed twice?).
Steffen -- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@dtifc.com) THE MIRROR - German Dream Theater Fan Club (http://www.dtifc.com/themirror)
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 04:38:59 -0800 From: Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: SfaM In Japan Message-ID: <19991103.043901.90.2.willeyatc@juno.com>
> Silly Jammer! > > NEVER listen to Dr. Mosh... unless he's giving advice on taking > penicillin or something. > > ;op > Well I don't know who to believe anymore... I haven't been on the list that long... But I think the list freakin rules... It is cool to hear everyone's opinion on the storyline of the new album.... I just think we shouldn't be so haste to absolutely flame other members for their opinions...
BTW, I finally got the album fromCDNOW. I was in Long Beach CA on buisness and Sam Goody didn't have it but Record town had a lot of copies... One of the cashiers even told me what a great CD it was... I almost bought it but them realized if my wife found out I had 2 copies... sheesh.... My wife has never been much of a fan but she loves Surrounded, and Hollow Years... how cool is that... and she really likes alot of this album. I think it mixes in the best of their slow stuff with the absolut best of their hard stuff.... I just love Home...(It's still uncanny how it sounds like Tool) but hey I love tool too...
Anyway just my thoughts...
ytsejon PS: congrats to those of you who won the Tourbus signed copies... anyone interested in selling it? (hehe)
> -- > Lisa Marie Palma > firegirl@flashcom.net >
ytseJon
Jonathan Willey, ATC WSU
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:53:39 -0600 From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Som many jams! Message-ID: <19991102185339.B19658@enteract.com>
> was already there, now. It suiges between both points of view. I think Korg > was the first person to spot it but if you LISTEN REALLY CLOSELY, around the
BAH! Korg isn't NEARLY perceptive enough to have picked that up. It was me. :) I'm not perceptive enough to pick that up either, but I was sitting directly in front of one of my speakers while listening with Maddy and David. Seriously though, I posted a take on the story, which was kind of the combination of the three of our ideas into one plot, and I haven't been around for the past week (road trip) to see what other ideas have cropped up. I know CowGod was the first person to suggest the plot that our little trio came up with, and Joe D. was second... but I'm lost now as to what the possible plots are. Has anyone put up the various concepts on a web page yet? That seems like it's something that needs to be done... maybe on DreamTheater.net ... we could do a "Fans' Interpretations" section if Mark is cool with it... Make everything concise... then people could compare ideas, and it would be easy to take some theories apart and see which are left standing. Right now, the only things I'm not sure about are these:
When Nick is in his car, coming to a stop, why did the audio sound like we were listening from outside the car, when once he gets out of the car, we're with him again? Was that just an effect to show that we were in the car with him, and it came to a stop? If so, couldn't they just have mixed in a track of some road noise? That should have been profoundly simple to do, if that was the idea. This leads the listener to think that someone is outside the car waiting. BUT, if that IS the case, why do we hear Finally Free during the drink pouring?
Right now, I'm thinking that this is a bit of a problem, because I generally don't pull up with my stereo blasting when I'm about to sneak into someone's house and whack em... but that's the only reason I can think of for that occurance, plot-wise. In REALITY, I think the band left some of these things here for us as "Easter Eggs" to make sure we wouldn't get closure when we focused our 900-Brain-Power YTSEMIND on it. I would be plainly and simply SHOCKED if we ever get a straight answer on the plot from one of the guys. I wonder if LaBrie got in trouble for giving away that piece of plot in the interview he did in Europe that was posted here.
But anyways, what do you folks think about the idea of posting up some kind of web site with the plots? We could have each have a sign in section, so people could put their name by the plot they buy into, and we can get a decent tally of who thinks what. I will host it if Mark doesn't want it.
> No offence, but I think you're WAAAAAAAY off-beam. Metropolis was never > intended to have a part two, it was just a little in-joke, Petrucci poking > fun at the whole prog thing that the song was doing. To suggest that DT's
You really think that? He may be a nice guy, but you think he's the sort to make jokes with DT? I think he's MUCH more into straight laced composition. I think they fully intended to follow up Met 1 with a Met 2, though I believe they intended to write it later in their careers.
> career has been ruled by some grand plan is AT BEST absurd. The whole of > Metro2 - I've said this before, but it bears repetition - is PACKED with > little references to Metro1, in a vain effort to convince that the two are > in any way related beyond title. It's like saying that all those irritating
I don't think anyone said it was their grand plan, but it seems entirely as logical to presume that they had the intention of writing this song one day as it does for you to pretend you know this to be false. That's kind of inappropriate. I'd be interested in hearing about some other times in which JP pokes fun at prog within the context of his band. While a riot to see, and an interesting bunch, the FIRST time and probably the ONLY time they've made any sort of humorous release on an album is the little Honky Tonk Ragtime piano thing on SFaM, other than live things and boots in which we catch Nightmare Cinema, and some of Derek's jokes. They are a very very serious band, within the confines of their music. I'd like to know what interview you got your info from. It sounds, "AT BEST [,] absurd" to me.
- Chris
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:11:17 -0600 From: "Toby Guidry" <strangebrew@mindspring.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Something out of left field Message-ID: <008801bf2598$57c5c9e0$9083cdcf@mindspring.com>
Just to throw some more potential smoke and mirrors into the SFaM discussion, has anyone noticed that the main headline and the story in the far left column of the newspaper are about Charles Lindbergh's Trans-Atlantic flight? A red herring? Significant? hmmm...
L8r, Toby NP: M2:SFaM
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:15:48 -0700 From: "Chuck Reis" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Som many jams! Message-ID: <002901bf2598$fed9b340$570d84d0@safelink.net>
> BAH! Korg isn't NEARLY perceptive enough to have picked that up. > It was me. :) I'm not perceptive enough to pick that up either, but I
Bleah. An omnipotent person not perceptive enough. *laughs sarcastically* Good one, Chris. But really, I remembered reading this, but didn't have the resources to insta-check it. I happened across it later. That's when I put together the 21-second rule. I think the 21 second rule clinches the end of the story. And how. *clinch* -- KorgX3 has nice, supple nipples tonight.
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:08:09 EST From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: More ranting Message-ID: <0.91316649.2550f309@aol.com>
>< >Well that's a given in any extended instrumental part. Those parts >are >therebecause they can do that, and because they enjoy it. I don't >possibly >see how instrumental music can "go anywhere" or "have a >point" unless it >conveys some kind of mood.
That's funny, I'd love to hear your explanation for every other DT instrumental section ever previously recorded (excepting "Bombay Vindaloo"), ALL of which feel A LOT more satisfyingly complete, and seem to "go somewhere". Furthermore, I don't see how vocals can "go somewhere" or "have a point" unless they convey some sort of mood. ><
Well, first of all, define "go somewhere." Secondly, the vocals are there because lyrics are written. That's it. It conveys the lyrics and what they're about.
It's just music. Music is music. Don't look *too* deeply into it.
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