YTSEJAM Digest 5216
Today's Topics:
1) RE: Threshold
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
2) A startup file
by "M. Dixon" <appoggiatura93@yahoo.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5212
by "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se>
4) Re: Kevin's SFaM comments
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
5) SFaM Sales Numbers
by MusicSnob@aol.com
6) Who's who in QR? (NDTC)
by "Zeusz dA ReAl V0CalISt" <zeusz@bigfoot.com>
7) Interesting item on eBay web site item#204866370: DREAM THEATER'1989cd/fates warning/iced earth
by tomwalling@hotmail.com
8) Long & boring, completely off-topic...Yup, that's me. :)
by "Simon Dodd" <sjdodd80@hotmail.com>
9) Cynic/Pino/SG's "Tyranny"
by Giannotti Nick Contr ESC/JS <Nick.Giannotti@hanscom.af.mil>
10) Re: SFAM
by Fett2002@aol.com
11) To Jordan or not to Jordan
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
12) More ramblings
by Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5213
by Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net>
14) Threshold
by Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
15) Re: Kevin's SFaM comments
by Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net>
16) Re:*DT rarities for sale*
by "Nissinen Tommi"
17) Ibanez John Petrucci model guitars for sale
by Brian_Wherry@avid.com
18) Where to buy Gordian Knot, Cynic || Talking about Clockwork...
by "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com>
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5214
by Stixntrixx@aol.com
20) RE: Adam's FTP site
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
21) RE: YTSEJAM digest 5214
by "Greg Stafford" <stafcom@gw.total-web.net>
22) Vai In Atlanta
by Bruce Duesterhoeft <bduester@avana.net>
23) Dead Again...
by O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net>
24) Re: SFAM
by Fett2002@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:46:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: RE: Threshold
Message-ID: <19991130214630.18338.qmail@web306.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Dave Thomas <dthomas@best.com> wrote:
>=20
> "Extinct Instinct" is sort of thought as Threshold's "Suck CD". The oth=
ers
> are much better. If you have "Clone", then get the all-time classic
> "Psychdelicatessen". This one rules. I still think it's their best, tho=
ugh
> "Clone" is quite good too.
>=20
> Threshold seems to change vocalists a lot for some odd reason, so I'd t=
ry
> some of the other early Threshold CDs before completely writing them of=
f.
>=20
Thanks alot guys, you too Chris ! Now I remember I've heard something abo=
ut
Psychedelicatessen before. Have to check it out soon.
Thanks again...
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Janne Jokitalo
Boss Information: jaska@boss.fi
Jyv=E4skyl=E4 University: jajokita@st.jyu.fi
Homepage: http://www.jyu.fi/~jajokita
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:34:16 -0800 (PST)
From: "M. Dixon" <appoggiatura93@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: A startup file
Message-ID: <19991130233417.27240.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com>
Hey all...
Since I know some of you are techies at heart... I
was wanting to know why a 'logo.sys' file isn't
working properly when placed in the windows folder??
It's a Dream Theater startup screen and I'm having
trouble getting my system to use it....
I'm thinking that I haven't killed the right win98
file so that it's recognized or I haven't placed it in
the right folder.
any ideas???
Please respond by private email to:
<appoggiatura@hotmail.com>
Don't wish to clutter the jam any more than I have
already.
thanks
poj
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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 00:29:12 +0100
From: "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5212
Message-ID: <38445DC8.185F687A@home.se>
Matej Grginic wrote:
> > I would like to ask a question. Lately I've downloaded a bootleg mp3=
-
> > Metallica's Damage Inc. played by DT. Can anyone tell me who's that
> > growling voice ? Is he Charlie Dominici ? Can't be James !
>
> Oh you mean Britaney Spears before MTV got her and put her
> voice through all the pitch shifters :)
Stop that! The girl can sing for crying out loud! :o)
Andreas Skarin
Svenska Dream Theater S=E4llskapet
[ http://sdts.cjb.net ] [ mailto:sdts@home.se ]
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:15:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Kevin's SFaM comments
Message-ID: <19991130221519.23773.qmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> wrote:
>=20
> I personally fell in immediate love with "Strange Deja
> Vu". I dunno, I just really enjoy(ed) that song.
Yep, gotta second that. And add Overture just before it and there you hav=
e one
of the absolute best moments of the year ! (maybe even the decade...)
>=20
> > I won't disagree with you on FII, I love that album.
>=20
> Mm, at the risk of beating this topic to death, I just
> didn't get in to FII as much as the other CDs. It's
At first, yeah...
> not bad at all, really. It's nice and heavy and all
> that, but it just seems like something is missing from
> that CD. Maybe it's the fact that this was the first
> time that the band had written new music with a
> musician like DS. I dunno. JLMB was an immediate
> stand out track and NM was an immediate stand out turb
> bomb IMHO. I'm sorry, but I just really dislike NM.=20
> The keyboards suck more than anything else DT have
> ever put their name on.
Uh, well, here is where our opinions differ a lot. After say five listens=
, FII
grew rapidly on me, and is now right there beside all the others...Well, =
maybe
not all the others, SFaM has taken the lead, but then, yep, all of them. =
Just
the same thing happened to me with WDADU. The first album I heard in a wh=
ole
(and also the one that the first track was off, PMU) was I&W. It hit me h=
ard,
immediately. Then I went on to Awake, which took a little longer, since I
wasn't that much into the heavier sound at the time (don't get me wrong, =
there
are heavy parts in I&W, but the overall sound is heavier in Awake, IMHO).=
It
was then when I got WDADU, and because of poor production and Charlie's v=
oice,
it took a longer while, but now I've gotten used to Domi, and since liste=
ning
to a lot older recordings, sounds are not that bad anymore either.
Wow, that went a lot sideways, so back to what you were writing. NM was a
tricky one, stick was a mystery to me, I didn't know if I liked it or not=
, but
now, I rank NM (with that stick sound) high up there with PS, LiTS, ToT, =
JLMB,
HK and TAMP. I guess there are no weak tracks on FII to me, but I guess I=
could
live without YNM, but not the rest :) (it isn't bad either...)
>=20
> > But SFaM has=20
> > taken the cake in my opinion.
Yeah, me too...*oops, said that already*
>=20
> Eh, I wouldn't go that far. I think Awake may always
> be my fave DT CD, but SFAM would be #2 on my list. I
> personally think it worked out rather well for DT that
> Portnoy and Petrucci worked with JR with LTE before
> making the new album b/c I think it gave them a chance
> to get comfortable with him as a musician. The live
> LTE gigs probably didn't hurt either. If anyone ever
> wanted an easy explanation on the seeming "instant
> chemistry" between DT and JR, that's my best guess--
> two albums with memebrs of the band, plus a mini-tour.
> Maybe it wasn't so "instant" after all...
Actually, it wasn't, you're forgetting that Awake publishing concert (Liv=
e at
the Foundation Forum ???) where JR covered for KM who chose not play in t=
he
band after recordings...
Well, of course I wouldn't say that's alot of playing together, but they =
asked
JR to hop in the band even back then, so I guess they felt the chemistry =
all
right.
>=20
> > You *need* to have a look at the story. It seems
> > like what you need to do is lock yourself in a room=20
> > and listen to the album a couple of times with=20
> > absolutely no interruptions. The story is=20
> > brilliant, and the more you listen to the album, the
>=20
> > more it grows on you.
>=20
> Agreed. The story kinda unfolds in front of you, if
> you take the time to listen. This could be the most
> straight forward telling of a story on a concept album
> I've ever heard, and it works really well. Kevin
> should definitley give the album a listen. My
> recommendation would be to sit in a bean bag chair,
> put on some head phones and play the CD with closed
> eyes and try to come up with some visuals that match
> the lyrics and mood of the music.
>=20
Yeah, this is so much truth. I think it's a crime if one is interrupted d=
uring
SFaM listenings...I really do...;)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Janne Jokitalo
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:02:27 EST
From: MusicSnob@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: SFaM Sales Numbers
Message-ID: <0.7a3ee73a.2575a373@aol.com>
Interesting sales numbers from sludgescan: (these are U.S. numbers)
DREAM THEATER "Scenes From A Memory" 33,179
Kevin
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:12:42 +0100
From: "Zeusz dA ReAl V0CalISt" <zeusz@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Who's who in QR? (NDTC)
Message-ID: <199911302212420400.0007B605@post.hem.hu>
Hi guys,
I've just bought O:M and I absolutely love it.
I have a problem, though. I donno who is who in QR?
I know that Tate is the vocalist, etc, but I dont know who is who on the
pics on the cover.
And the story is not yet clear.
Any help on either the who's who or on the story would be very cool.
See your answers, comments and anything in private!
ZZZZZ
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:59:33 Pacific Standard Time
From: tomwalling@hotmail.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#204866370: DREAM THEATER'1989cd/fates warning/iced earth
Message-ID: <19991130195933.6331CACD@horridus.ebay.com>
I thought this one was pretty funny; Dream Theater 1989 CD. Ha
Tom
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:06:07 GMT
From: "Simon Dodd" <sjdodd80@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Long & boring, completely off-topic...Yup, that's me. :)
Message-ID: <19991130190607.81907.qmail@hotmail.com>
RE LTE:
If it's any kind of acolade: in almost all the HMVs I've been into, LTE has
its own section in the "rock & pop" bit, with both albums. DT, meanwhile, is
relegated to the metal section :(
RE "That" boot:
I was having a look a boot site, and the cover to "Skyway of Nightmares"
caught my eye. That's a very cool front cover! Does anyone have a nice
large-ish JPG of it, or any idea where the pic is from?
>sometimes, I REALLY want to hear Another World, since it's probably >my
>favorite song from ACOS (why don't they EVER do that one live?)
Yeah, mine too. I suspect that its absencwe from the live shows may have
something to do with it being written largely by Derek, (I seem to remember
- can someone confirm or deny this?)
>I could agree on the ACOS production, but totally not for I 1 W. I am not a
>sound engineer, but sounds really well IMHO.
Well, I am; and I think it sounds great too. I suspect the poster actually
meant WD&DU but got it wrong. That album WAS terribly produced.
>something? I thought that of all the albums, Myung was easiest to
>hear in SFaM. He's clearly audible all through Through Her Eyes,
>he has that funky riff in Home (NP), he's all over the album.
I think the point is that you tend to FEEL the bass rather than hear it. it
is there; I just bought a MUCH better sterio system (plus it's running
through my rack, yay, so I can do some great fine tuning...Oh no...I'm
sorry...No, Al! Put that carving knife down! Please!) and it's a lot
clearer. But by-and-large, it was much easier to hear JM in the mix on FII
than normal. I mean, the guy just ISN'T THERE on OIaL (I mean, half of ACOS
was live too, and the mix there was perfect, what went wrong with the other
live albums? Conspiracy, says I!) - although, if I had a bass tone as bad as
on that album, I'd want it hidden too.
Also, does anyone have a GOOD up-to-date photo of JP and JM's racks? There's
plenty of old JP ones, but none that are remotely UTD, and none of JM.
Finally, for those who have the JP instructional video (can't remember the
name, but there's only the one):
1) How helpful are the lessons?
2) what else do you get apart from technique advice?
Si
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:12:01 -0500
From: Giannotti Nick Contr ESC/JS <Nick.Giannotti@hanscom.af.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Cynic/Pino/SG's "Tyranny"
Message-ID: <390762D98D63D2118C280060081358CC01466B77@hamsxha2.hanscom.af.mil>
> To the dude who was thinking of getting Cynic's "Focus": be forewarned
> that
> if you don't like cookie monster vocals, then you won't like this CD.
> That's
> what turned it off for me. Listened to it twice, couldn't deal with a big
> furry blue monster singing to me, sold the CD.
>
> To the dude who was looking for some of Pino Palladino's more serious bass
> stuff: he did one track on a John McLaughlin CD with Jeff Beck and Vin
> Coliuta (sp?) on drums, this improv jazz/blues tune that just SMOKES. My
> old
> drummer played it for me about three, four years ago. Do I remember the
> name
> of the song? Nope. Do I remember the name of the CD? Nope. All I know is
> that the jacket was white, and there was only one track with Pino on it.
> Somewhere, lurking in my room, is a copy of Bass Player with Pino and Mark
> King (from Level 42, "Mr. Underrated" himself); if I can find it I'll post
> his (as of then) discography.
>
> To the dude who was thinking of picking up "Tyranny" by Shadow Gallery: if
> you liked the first one, but couldn't stand the singer, then you might
> feel
> the same way about "Tyranny". Mine ended up becoming a coaster at my desk
> at
> work, personally. :)
>
> NP: The Cure - "Entreat"
>
> Nicholas Giannotti x6745
> Joint STARS Contracts / JSK
> System Resources Corporation
> giannottin@hanscom.af.mil
>
> "Build a man a fire, he is warm for a day. Set him on fire and he is warm
> for the rest of his life."
> "Who gossips to you will gossip of you."
>
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:28:24 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: SFAM
Message-ID: <0.9ff6167b.25757f58@aol.com>
> I've listened to it all the way through 3 times,
> and I couldn't walk away any of those times
>remembering a single
> thing I heard. It was like one big jumbled up blob
>in my head.
Personally, I've found that if I can remember a lot of an album after
listening to it just 2 or 3 times then I tend to get bored with it very
quickly. This (among other reasons) is why I stopped listening to a lot of
80's metal. Now, this doesn't meant that I definitely will like an album if I
don't remember it, but at least i'm probably not going to be bored with it.
So, that much is good. Also, this doesn't mean that you will like the album
after giving it a few more spins. I'm just saying don't give up on it yet.
Personally, I've found that the albums I end up enjoying most are ones where
after 2 or 3 listens I don't remember many particular parts of the songs, but
I do remember that I liked them when I heard them. This generally mean that
the artist has come up with some pretty interesting and original stuff. And
it compels me to listen again. Just my opinion.
-Mike
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:43:39 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: To Jordan or not to Jordan
Message-ID: <3842E57B.E3B094F2@mol.com.mk>
> From: Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net>
>
> He does okay on LTE1, but on LTE2 i didn't care for him as much,
> and with DT, he's nowhere. He has no soul, no groove, and I
> cringe everytime I hear him try to solo. His sound choices are
> dreadful in several spots, they sound so FAKE
I might not agree completely with this while I hear SFAM, but I DO fear
that this might be true. :( Time will say ...
> the greatest concept albums of all time (The Wall, ...
Hey, hey! Got that? :) Listen this guy, he knows what he's talking
about! ;o)
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 03:07:24 -0600
From: Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: More ramblings
Message-ID: <4.1.19991130022911.00abac40@mail.msy.bellsouth.net>
wow, i was expecting to get flamed off the face of the earth...:) I'm
impressed, the Jam must've grown up a bit in the last few months...haha
well, I said I listened to it all the way through 3 times, and I've put it
in many others times, but I just couldn't get into it enough to listen. I
had to almost force myself not to eject it those 3 times...hehe. I'm sure
it's an album that will grow on me, but I don't think one thing will ever
change, that I just don't care for Jordan Rudess as a member of DT. But
hey, it's only my opinion, I've read other people's messages who say they
really like him, and I can respect that, hell, I admire that you're able to
appreciate him. There are alot of different types of DT fans, and I'm the
kind that likes the balance that I felt they had with Derek, where they
could rock, be soft, and be "proggy." (I know, dreadful choices of words,
but it's late) I also VERY much miss the organ sounds that Derek used,
yeah, some people hated them, but I loved them, and are so much better IMO
than this percussive stuff Jordan tinkers around with. As for the piano
stuff, well, I found Derek had a good balance of it, but could always have
used more, I love piano. If there is one thing I'll say about Jordan, is
that he is good with using alot of piano, but then, I just don't dig his
style with it...:) I just think of Derek's comping in LitS and it's almost
orgasmic...hehe....oh well, i'm hitting the sack, and may everyone rock on!!!
np: Rob Zombie "American Made Music to Strip By"
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 02:28:30 -0600
From: Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5213
Message-ID: <4.1.19991130022132.021f48f0@mail.msy.bellsouth.net>
well, if you knew anything about music history, punk music was started as a
reaction to the over -indulgence of the progressive rock of the 70's. In
other words, it was supposed to be the total opposite of prog. So the guy
was not exactly wrong in saying what he said. However, punk has changed,
the ideas behind the music has changed, and some punk bands such as Thought
Industry and others have taken the music a little further...but hell, it's
all general labels that end up being pointless anyway...:)
np: Rob Zombie "American Made Music to Strip By"
>Some dude on the list said "LTE (and prog in general) is everything punk
>isn't." I recommend this dude, and others to start listening to more
>punk, especially the west coast pop-punk bands. Check out "Allroy Saves"
>by ALL, or anything else by ALL, Descendents (ALL with a different
>singer), Propagandhi, Quit (if you can find it), and Big Drill Car to name
>a few. Check out the song "Educated Idiot" by ALL, and just try to tell
>me that's not progressive. I'd recommend you to listen to my buddy's old
>band, Marble, but you'd never find their stuff even though they toured
>around the U.S. They're all big DT fans, Cynic fans, Iron Maiden fans,
>etc...and it all shows in their music which is clearly pop-punk. I'd have
>to say while all of these bands are not always as complex as DT (sometimes
>they are), they are definitely in the same league. There is more to punk
>than the Sex Pistols.
>
>Ben
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:29:36 +0100
From: Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Threshold
Message-ID: <v04210103b4690dc4e6cd@[192.168.1.1]>
>"Extinct Instinct" is sort of thought as Threshold's "Suck CD". The others
>are much better. If you have "Clone", then get the all-time classic
>"Psychdelicatessen". This one rules. I still think it's their best, though
>"Clone" is quite good too.
IYHO.
Remember that it's all a matter of... taste!
I think Extinct Instinct was *excellent* stuff, especially if you're
into DT. Psychedelicatessen didn't impress me at all, and their new
one, while being decent, left my player pretty soon.
And I *love* Damian Wilson's "whiny vocals"!
All IMHO of course ;-)
Steffen
NP: DT Xmas CD 1999
-- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@dtifc.com) THE MIRROR - deutscher Dream Theater Fanclub (http://www.dtifc.com/themirror)------------------------------
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:48:53 -0500 From: Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Kevin's SFaM comments Message-ID: <B468C07E.4E9E%marc@merespass.net>
]From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@pop.primus.com.au>
> You *need* to have a look at the story. It seems like what you > need to do is lock yourself in a room and listen to the album a > couple of times with absolutely no interruptions. The story is > brilliant, and the more you listen to the album, the more it grows on > you.
I agree. I couldn't get the concept at first but I'm starting to get it now (since I don't really listen to much else). I still don't think the story is really clear. I have to read the lyrics and pay attention. But that's cool. The album kicks ass. I love SFaM.
--Marc R
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Date: 30 Nov 1999 06:50:00 +0300 From: "Nissinen Tommi" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:*DT rarities for sale* Message-ID: <JA8AAAAAAGcVfgABYQADbpMOAcxU@kesko.fi>
And your e-mail address is...
Bigman (29.11.1999 22:40): > > Hey there everyone, >I've got some rarities that I'm looking to sell. I don't want to waste >bandwidth, so if you are in any way interested, e-mail me privately and >I'll send you a brief list of what I have. > Later on. . . > Andrew H. Martin > "DaBigman" > >
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:21:19 -0500 From: Brian_Wherry@avid.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Ibanez John Petrucci model guitars for sale Message-ID: <85256839.00704B8E.00@aamta02.avid.com>
Hi Folks,
Sorry to post this here but I'm sure some of you may be interested.
I'm selling two Ibanez John Petrucci model guitars, a JPM100P1 (original one, primary color scheme) and a JPM100P2 (next version, pastel color scheme). Both guitars are in excellent condition. Email me if you'd like to know more....
Thanks,
Brian brian_wherry@avid.com
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:47:05 EST From: "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Where to buy Gordian Knot, Cynic || Talking about Clockwork... Message-ID: <19991130124705.17330.qmail@hotmail.com>
>In response to Jeff on Gordian Knot and Cynic. Where can you >purchase these cd's? By the way, you mentioned Laser's Edge.... >have you ever listened to Clockwork on their label? They are philadelphia >prog band.....I know the guitarist Tom Gammarino >pretty well. We lived a few doors away from each other freshman year of >college. Anyway, you can get there cd off of cdnow. Sean Malone is a guest >artist. He has a Grand Sticksolo >on one of the songs.
Ok, you can get 'em at Laser's Edge, and there's one other place that I know of... Impulse Music? or Impulse CD? Something like that. Laser's Edge had the best price, probably because they're the label which released the CD. :) As for CYNIC, I'm not sure you can buy this CD anymore. I don't even know what label it was released on, but I'm sure someone could burn you a copy of it, or get it to you on MP3s or something. Of course, I do not condone any of those actions. ;) I'm sure you've heard about Aghora on the list here before, Reinert and Malone are in that as well...
I've heard of Clockwork before. I live just outside of Philly, right by Lansdale, if you know where that is. I work in King of Prussia... I haven't actually heard the music, but now that you mention it, I'll try to find samples. :) How is the singer? I dont' like the singer to Shadow Gallery either... that's what ruins most prog music for me. :)
By the way, how did those guys get Sean to play on the album? I haven't heard of Clockwork from anywhere but this list before, so I didn't know they were that big (or not that big...)
NP: Christina Aguilera, "Genie in a Bottle" (and I'm not kidding!)
Jeff
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 04:54:46 EST From: Stixntrixx@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5214 Message-ID: <0.1f3b6d53.2574f8e6@aol.com>
In a message dated 99-11-29 23:08:54 EST, you write:
<< NP-Extreme Waiting For the Punchline (Gosh they held Mangini back) >> As well as the songwriting and the melody.
Richie
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:21:08 -0800 (PST) From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: Adam's FTP site Message-ID: <19991130162108.26591.qmail@web306.mail.yahoo.com>
--- "Pye, Adam" <apye@kcc.com> wrote: >=20 > Hey folks.. >=20 > Yes, the FTP is down because I've moved. It's doubtful, however, that = it > will return in the same format that it was in. Keep an eye out for > something very interesting that Bogie and I are collaborating on. If y= ou > liked my site, you'll love this. Now, we've just got to get off of our= lazy > butts (and I've got to finally get my high-speed connect installed) and= get > going. :) Take care.. >=20 > Adam
Well well, interesting enuff...looking forward hearing about you guys ! Y= ou both make some ass-kicking stuff...Keep it going !
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Janne Jokitalo
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:32:33 -0500 From: "Greg Stafford" <stafcom@gw.total-web.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 5214 Message-ID: <NDBBJAOKCLFDIHNFDJMHCEDDCAAA.stafcom@gw.total-web.net>
Quick question......does anyone own Shadow Gallery's Tyranny??? I have been debating over whether or not I should purchase it or not. I liked Carved In Stone, especially Cliffhanger.....but I just can't stand the lead singer. I just don't like his singing style....would anyone recommend it? I can deal with the lead singer...I think that they are an incredible band. Steve La Monica
I have Shadow Gallery's Tyranny and I think it is a great CD. Worth adding to your collection. Another CD I find great to add to your collection is Ice Age. For their first CD I find that it is awesome for a debut. BTW DT's new CD I think is awesome too. :) The Wizard
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:44:25 -0500 From: Bruce Duesterhoeft <bduester@avana.net> To: YtseGods <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Vai In Atlanta Message-ID: <38435628.1DA5771@avana.net>
Not sure if any of you jammers are going to the Vai show tomorrow (11/30/99) at the Variety Playhouse, but I'll be there wearing my LTE shirt.
Should be a great show.
Bruce
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:00:41 +0200 From: O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Dead Again... Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991130160041.0093b870@mail.surffi.net>
If you're a fan of the Sfam-story, go and rent Dead Again now..... I just watched it with friends on weekend, *boom* it's like Sfam, only with different names :P
Ok it's not exactly the same story, but it shares *many* things with Sfam, you're really missing out if you haven't seen the movie
op777 - still impressed by dead again
Thoughts while Eating at McDonald's "...if people were actually shaped like those little "throw litter away" people-figures with the pointy limbs that appear on the boxes the burgers come in, they'd fall into gratings all the time and get stuck. But getting out of jail would be really easy." -Kevin Madden
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:46:10 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: SFAM Message-ID: <0.777c872f.2574b092@aol.com>
> I've listened to it all the way through 3 times, > and I couldn't walk away any of those times >remembering a single > thing I heard. It was like one big jumbled up blob >in my head.
Personally, I've found that if I can remember a lot of an album after listening to it just 2 or 3 times then I tend to get bored with it very quickly. This (among other reasons) is why I stopped listening to a lot of 80's metal. Now, this doesn't meant that I definitely will like an album if I don't remember it, but at least i'm probably not going to be bored with it. So, that much is good. Also, this doesn't mean that you will like the album after giving it a few more spins. I'm just saying don't give up on it yet. Personally, I've found that the albums I end up enjoying most are ones where after 2 or 3 listens I don't remember many particular parts of the songs, but I do remember that I liked them when I heard them. This generally mean that the artist has come up with some pretty interesting and original stuff. And it compels me to listen again. Just my opinion. -Mike
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