YTSEJAM Digest 5161
Today's Topics:
1) I forgot to send this earlier.
by WoodyTJ34@aol.com
2) Re: Is it even worth dissenting?
by JamesAhab@aol.com
3) SFaM
by WoodyTJ34@aol.com
4) Re: Jay's babblings on SFAM
by JamesAhab@aol.com
5) Fates Warning VHS at ebay
by Drew Schinzel <schi2299@fredonia.edu>
6) Re: a slight light on the mystery
by JamesAhab@aol.com
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5158
by JamesAhab@aol.com
8) Metropolis the Album
by MaxArbot@aol.com
9) Re: Metropolis the Album
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
10) SFAM - general observations and "all your romantic queries" (part 1)
by JamesAhab@aol.com
11) Part 2 (comments on the story)
by JamesAhab@aol.com
12) Metropolis 2 FAQ
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
13) Bon Jovi
by "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@pop.primus.com.au>
14) not so huge a mystery?
by "Thomas Neubaum" <Thomas.Neubaum@jura.stud.uni-erlangen.de>
15) TV in background
by "Robert Sindermann" <sindermann@hotmail.com>
16) It's the music
by "Gallop, Neil" <Neil.Gallop@softwareag.com>
17) "Young Child" confusion.
by Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
18) Re: First Met 2 Cover.
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
19) Re: Symphony X
by Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
20) SFAM (will it be the future of the music? Hope so...)
by "Bruno" <stort@sti.com.br>
21) Sony WEGA's
by "LONG, TIMOTHY" <TIMLON@SAFECO.com>
22) Re: Bon Jovi similarity correction. . .
by "Tom Tubbiola" <ttubbiola@earthlink.net>
23) JFK Jr.
by Barbara B <babs@pop.geneseo.edu>
24) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5159
by Barbara B <babs@pop.geneseo.edu>
25) Re: What do you think? DUH!
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:15:10 EST
From: WoodyTJ34@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: I forgot to send this earlier.
Message-ID: <0.468042b9.254e6dce@aol.com>
Hey,
I just was able to read the last 7 jams online and I didn't have to
download one of them. Has aol changed something? I have downloaded the past
7 days worth of jams. What a pleasant surprise.
Also, can we stop writing *Spoiler* in the subject line. Since the album
has been released everyone has gotten the album. And if they haven't, I can
guarantee they are not saving all these jams til they get the album.
By the way, Happy Halloween everyone. I was Victoria for Halloween. I
was also Nicholas. I was also dead. I thought I might have been Julian but
I couldn't tell so I went to my friend Edward for help. I had two bullet
holes in my chest. I could go on & on.
See ya,
Todd
"I sit down with my son, set to see the Crimson Sunset"
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:15:04 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Is it even worth dissenting?
Message-ID: <0.81662a83.254e6dc8@aol.com>
>< It feels too long. I've said it before, but somewhere around 'Home' and
'DoE', I start to check my fingernails for dirt, notice spots on the wall
that could stand another coat of paint, etc. ><
I feel the exact opposite. By the time "Home" starts, I'm thinking "Gods,
that was fast." The album seems to fly by.
>< There are long musical stretches that don't strike me as really GOING
anywhere. ><
Well that's a given in any extended instrumental part. Those parts are there
because they can do that, and because they enjoy it. I don't possibly see how
instrumental music can "go anywhere" or "have a point" unless it conveys some
kind of mood.
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:01:45 EST
From: WoodyTJ34@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: SFaM
Message-ID: <0.e493dd63.254e6aa9@aol.com>
Hey,
I've been reading all these jams lately. It's nice to see some good content.
I've got a few more ideas/questions.
-The TV (or could it be the radio-remember radio was big in the 60's) is
definitely on when the person comes in the room. Then the door opens as the
second person walks in the room. The squeak is only momentarily like a door.
I don't know to many people who rock in a rocking chair once.
-Here's a nice twist. The hynotherapist's voice may be the voice of John
Myung. That's why most people don't recognize the voice. HA! HA!
-Is Victoria Metropolis? Remember the lines-
Metropolis watches and thoughtfully smiles, she's taking you to your home.
Victoria watches and thoughtfully smiles, she's taking me to my home.
Sounds the same.
-I can't decide if I like the story line or the music better. It gets better
after each listen.
See ya,
Todd
"I sit down with my son, set to see the Crimson Sunset"
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:32:49 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Jay's babblings on SFAM
Message-ID: <0.988c5b11.254e71f1@aol.com>
>< Given:
The double-murder-framed-as-murder/suicide happened as written.
Nick and Vic are the same soul.
The murder took place in 1928.
The present is 1999. (from the Portnoy chat)
I don't think these are disputable at this point. ><
Everything I know for a fact, except the second. I'm still not convinced Nick
is Vic. Call me crazy...
>< In the present, Nick "...traveled to another home, I met an older man,
he seemed to
be alone..." This older man said "A girl was murdered here, This fatal
tragedy was talked about for years." Also, Nick "tried to get more answers,"
and was told by the old man "you're on your own". By that wording, the old
man knew something. So he was either Ed, a reincarnated Ed, or a
reincarnated Julian. ><
But the old man also said "You'll know the truth as your future days unfold."
How does the old man know this?
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:41:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Drew Schinzel <schi2299@fredonia.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Fates Warning VHS at ebay
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.9910312340350.16898-100000@bluedevil.cc.fredonia.edu>
Hello all, just thought I'd break up the constant DT content (what a
concept!) with a plug for an item I've put on ebay.
It's the Metal Blade VHS of Fates Warning "A Pleasant Shade of Gray," with
concert footage mixed with regular, story-related stuff. If you're
interested, just use the following link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=191983903
Thanks !
Drew
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:46:03 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: a slight light on the mystery
Message-ID: <0.89b30172.254e750b@aol.com>
>< Here's what I think and know:
Nicholas IS Victoria reincarnated. James LaBrie confirmed that in an
interview. ><
But he said that before the album came out, while the veil of secrecy was in
full swing. Why would the band give away a secret they tried so hard to keep?
Unless they want us to think that Nick = Vic. This is one of many reasons why
I'm not convinced that Nick is Vic.
>< Just a simple reason to all this. "The simplest and most uneventful
reason is usually the correct one": Occham's Razor. ><
But this is a planned "murder-mystery" type story, where the most absurd
reason is usually the correct one. =] But seriously, I doubt it's as simple
as the butler did it. Why is another reason why I have my doubts.
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:58:07 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5158
Message-ID: <0.83a21c7a.254e77df@aol.com>
Firstly, I think I just posted about 8 messages in the last half hour, so I
apologize for all these posts. I will condense any further posts into one.
>< The way I see it is that the album is NOT one long therapy session, but
rather a combination of Nicholas's therapy and real-life experiences. Yes, he
actually visit the grave of Victoria (Through Her Eyes). He also visits the
murder scene (Fatal Tragedy) and either the Miracle or the Sleeper's bedroom
(One Last Time). These real-life experiences help jar his memory and help him
find out what happened. ><
Yeah, he has dreams about Victoria, but he surely doesn't know enough from
these dreams that he's able to find where she's buried.
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 00:32:22 EST
From: MaxArbot@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Metropolis the Album
Message-ID: <0.66fa819a.254e7fe6@aol.com>
I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but I have a great idea. I'm
guessing off of some cues at the end of "Home." I burned a copy of SFaM with
"Metropolis, part 1" mixed in right after "Home." The shaker noise perfectly
synchronizes with Met. 1, so I mixed it in. Also, at the end of Met. 1, the
last words are "daaaaaance of eterniteeeeeeeey..." Well, duh. So, I mixed
the end of Met. 1 with "Dance of Eternity."
It's great...now I can listen to *all* of Metropolis, without breaks, in
order, and hopefully how it was meant to be listened to. What do you folks
think?
[eriC]
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 01:10:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Metropolis the Album
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9911010109420.70183-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Sun, 31 Oct 1999 MaxArbot@aol.com wrote:
> It's great...now I can listen to *all* of Metropolis, without breaks,
> in order, and hopefully how it was meant to be listened to. What do
> you folks think?
What I want to know is how you burned a 77-minute CD, with a 9 and a half
minute song in the middle of it. THAT in itself is a feat, and I'd like
to know how you could burn 86 minutes of audio data onto a CD. Even an 80
minute CD couldn't overburn by that much.
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Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
http://cout.dhs.org/
Cloak on IRC
ICQ: 2513441
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I like to go down to the dog pound and pretend
that I've found my dog. Then I tell them to kill
it anyway because I already gave away all of his
stuff. Dog people sure don't have a sense of
humor.
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 01:15:33 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: SFAM - general observations and "all your romantic queries" (part 1)
Message-ID: <0.c091fd62.254e8a05@aol.com>
A few comments on the music, the story, and other things. As far as the story
goes, I touch on theories, clues in the lyircs, the House, possible motives,
continuity, past/present lyrics, and more. Just saying this because this is a
long post (it'll have to be two parts), so it's like an index so you can skip
ahead to read what you wanna read.
First, the music:
One of the things that impressed me the most were the backing vocals. First,
I didn't think Mike was a good singer, live or in studio. He really shines on
SFAM, though. And I just really liked the fact that backing vox were actually
done and done well this time. In the past, they mostly just layered James vox
2 or 3 times or whatever, and it didn't really add much. But this time, they
had MP and JP singing the majority of the backing vox instead of James, and
they actually used some harmonies this time, instead of singing the same
melodies as James did. I know Mike is a big fan of bands that use backing vox
and harmonies often and well (Spocks Beard, Kings X, Galactic Cowboys), so I
guess he had a big say in that. I especially like the backing vocals in Home:
"Love! Deceit! Death!" Brilliance in backing vocals. Whoever heard of such a
thing?
It seems like if there's one "unpopular" song on this album, it's Through Hey
Eyes. If someone doesn't like one song on SFAM, it's that one. I'm sorry, but
I love it. First of all, the "R&B" intro is perfect. Of course that singing
can become annoying if it's dragged out or used for the wrong kind of music,
but it's perfectly placed here. Total Floyd. Great stuff. And John's guitars
on this song, particularly during the intro, are sooo emotional. It's right
up there with State of Grace. I guess I'm a sucker for that kind of playing.
If there's one thing I could do without, it's the "ahh, ahh, ahh" at the end.
I've been hearing more negative comments about Jordan than I thought I would.
The only thing negative I'd have to say was his overplaying in the beginning
of "One Last Time." It starts out very slow, and his playing there seemed
completely inappropriate. His solos were great, especially in Overture 1928.
That horn section in BTL was kind of annoying, but that's it. The
ragtime/honky-tonk thing in TDoE may not've fit, but it was still nice. He
has a huge catalogue of sounds.
My only complaints?
This disc isn't completely cheese-free. There's the obligatory "oh yeah
yeah!" in Beyond This Life.
I will concede that there may be a little too much shredding/overplaying, but
hell, I don't care. Nothing's perfect.
Also, I like The Dance of Eternity, but I don't understand why it's there.
Overture is there for a reason. It establishes the year and acts as an
introduction to the story of Victoria and her two lovers. Plus, I think it's
DTs best instrumental. I like TDoE, but I don't really think it serves a
purpose.
Know that those are my only complaints of the whole album. Which I think is
pretty damn good. Every album probably has at least 5 different things that a
person could do without.
Misc.:
For the record, the therapist is done by Terry Brown. Mike confirmed this. He
at first said "notice we purposely didn't credit the voice," but at the chat
the other night, he confirmed it. So that's at least one thing we know
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but Elektra deserves a ton of
credit. They gave DT complete creative control for this album. That is very
rare. I always figured they don't really care for DT and they're just stuck
in a contract. I guess I was wrong.
I was disheartened to see some people saying things like, "The band finally
gave in to the demands of the fans!" and "Mike was listening to our demands"
and etc. This album was not made due to the demands of the fans. That is the
definition of sell-out. They made this album because they wanted to. I sure
hope they didn't make it because they thought that they had to cater to the
fans who didn't like FII. No band should ever make an album because the fans
want it. That's what live albums and videos are far. When you're writing a
song, the fans are the last thing you should be thinking of.
Jim
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 01:16:12 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Part 2 (comments on the story)
Message-ID: <0.c3c3f1e8.254e8a2c@aol.com>
the story:
First of all, I'm very confused. I think I've come up with about 10 different
theories. I'll run down some of the ones that not many have come up with. I
actually have some evidence of each of these. Some, it's only a little; some
its a lot. If you would like me to go into detail about anyone, let me know.
Nicholas is the reincarnation of Edward; the Hypnotist is the reincarnation
of Victoria. Victoria gets her revenge at the end.
Nicholas takes his own life at the end. The Hypnotist is startled to find
Nicholas' dead body, thus the scream.
Nicholas somehow knows he's going to die soon.
The others are just a little too absurd. Maybe Nicholas is just a naive guy
who had some pointless dreams, so he went to a hypnotist, and the hypnotust
capitalized on Nicholas naivety, so he made up this story about a past life.
Why did the hypnotist then kill Nicholas? Maybe Nick skips out on the bill. =]
One thing I thought odd was at the mp.com chat, someone asked Mike who did
the orgasm. I assume they meant who recorded it, but maybe Mike misunderstood
and thought he meant which character, cause Mike said "it's a little too
early to reveal that."
There are some huge clues in the lyrics at the end of Finally Free. At least
I think they're clues. During the Sleeper's part in FF, the lyrics read:
"A blinding light comes into view
An old soul exchanged for a new
A familiar voice comes shining through"
To me, that sounds like Victoria and Julian desending into heaven, but who is
the familiar voice? The therapist? How does that fit in there?
Also:
"Well meet again my friend someday SOON" - insinuating that either Nicholas
knows he is going to die soon, or he's planning on taking his own life. But
why does he say "We'll meet again"? He's never met Victoria. Is he talking
about Julian? Still, I think some huge clues lie in the lyrics of Metropolis
1, and if they weren't so damn ambiguous, maybe I could make sense of them
and figure something out.
I've noticed a ton of continuity problems. If Nicholas is regressing and
seeing scenes from his memory, how is he visiting Victoria's grave and
talking to an old man at a house? He's supposed to be observing scenes from
his memory, and here he is interacting with people and such. This I don't
understand. Also, how come a certain character's lyrics are in the third
person? Eg: In Finally Free, The Sleeper's lyrics read "As their bodies lie
still...all their fears disappear" etc. And what about the lyrics in the past
and present? Are Nicholas' italicized (past) lyrics mean he's in regression?
If so, then his present lyrics mean he's not in regression, but awake in
reality?
Another thing I'd like to touch upon is "One Last Time." These lyrics confuse
the fuck out of me. I think some big clues lie here, too. All of Nicholas'
lines from "here I am inside his home" to "His words I cannot hear" I don't
understand what's going. Read those lyrics. Whose home is he in? Is he in the
present or seeing a scene from his memory? What is he being shown that he's
always known? And what's most confusing, but possibly very important to the
story are the lines "The walls disappear as some woman is screaming/a man
pleads forgiveness/his words I cannot hear" Those lyrics seem completely
unreleated to the rest of the story. I can't figure out what that's supposed
to represent. Which leads me to another question...what is this house they
keep mentioning? Victoria and Julian were killed outdoors - we hear rain and
crickets and the footspes of someone walking on gravel (which sound like the
same footsteps of Nicholas' when he enters his home), and then later the
footsteps of someone running on cement. Also, the lyrics say them met "in a
pathway out of view." But what is the house? It's mentioned in SDV, FT, and
OLT. From SDV, we read that Nicholas is familiar with the house and that it's
haunting. In Fatal Tragedy, we read that there's an old man at the house,
probably the person who resides there. But he says he traveled to "another
home." Maybe there are two houses. And the old man says "a girl was murdered
here." Does he literally mean here in the house? Because it really sounds to
me like Victoria was killed outside. Finally, One Last Time is the mnost
confusing. just read what I wrote above. "Here I am inside his home"- the old
man's home? This house apparently brings back memories and holds all the
clues. Interesting...
If the hypnotist is Edward and he kills Nicholas (who is Victoria), what's
his motive? He killed Victoria in the past, so he's got to do it again?
What's the point? As the hypnotist said, "Death is not the end, only a
transition." Why kill Nicholas? His soul will transcend. Maybe that's the
dance of eternity. Or maybe Edward is still mad at Victoria. It seems like a
very weak motive, which is why I doubt it. Also, how does the hypnotist know
who he was in a past life? From I've read from several members of the band,
there is a second reincarnation in that last scene, so the hypnotist is
definitely the reincarnation of one one of the characters, I just don't think
it's Edward. I think it's Victoria.
What is the point of making Edward a Senator? We already know now that the
only reason the JFK Jr. thing is there is to establish the year.
evirtane@cc.hut.fi (Esa Virtanen) said:
>< it seems that the band made the ending ambiguous on purpose, maybe even
they don't have a definite answer to what happened? ><
I think they do. Mike said in the chat "We will shed some light on the story
slowly but surely, and when the time is right, but we will not disclose
everything." Something long those lines. I hope they had a definite ending in
their heads when they did this. Or at least several that would make sense. I
think it would be a real cop-out to come up with an ending without giving it
a reason. Just basically saying, "Here's the ending. Make up your own
reasons."
In a message dated 10/28/99 12:28:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
hrivera@crp.org writes:
>< Don't know how accurate it might be - I need to do a LOT more digging
(this is just too much fun): Nicholas is not Victoria reincarnated. She
speaks to him in the present, which is probably through dreams or another
sort of altered reality. My guess is that Nicholas is either the senator
reincarnated (having to see everything "through her eyes" is his punishment
for what he did on his previous life) or both the Miracle and the Sleeper
"confined to this [one] mind." This theory, however, doesn't shed any light
on the ending. ><
It makes perfect sense. *In theory,* Nicholas is actually Edward, and the
hypnotist is Victoria, getting her revenge by killing Edwrad in the next
life. And what better revenge then to kill him by using his own words before
he dies.
And that's it. Sorry for making this so long and confusing and adding more
confusion to an already confusing story. I got so flooded by e-mail that I
just wanted to get everything out of the way. I'm just throwing all these
observations out there so people can take them and delve deeper into the
possibilities.
Jim
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 03:12:50 -0500
From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Metropolis 2 FAQ
Message-ID: <4.2.1.19991101022253.00b0b990@po7.mit.edu>
Hey everyone,
I wrote up a FAQ concerning anything that has to do with
Metropolis 2: Scenes From A Memory. I went over this FAQ
with Pat Griffin, the official DT FAQ maintainer, to ensure that the
information in this M2-FAQ is very reliable. I think I have covered
every question everyone has had about this album, so if you're
confused about ANYTHING related to Metropolis 2, I recommend
you check it out!
So, go to Lines in the Sand at http://dreamtheater.mit.edu/ for the
Metropolis 2 FAQ!
-Bogie
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Dream Theater - Lines in the Sand
http://dreamtheater.mit.edu/
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:07:39 +1100
From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@pop.primus.com.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Bon Jovi
Message-ID: <0716631080901b9ISPSRV16@mail.primus.com.au>
> Hmmm, this is too damned weird.... I had TWO friends, on separate occasions,
> and isolated from each other tell me that they sounded an awful lot like Bon
> Jovi.... hehe.
Hmmmmmmm.... I lent FII to a friend that has never heard any DT
before. The first thing he says is: "They sound a lot like Bon Jovi"
I told him to give me the CD back.
NP: SFAM on it's 50th (or something ridiculous) run
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:03:57 +0100
From: "Thomas Neubaum" <Thomas.Neubaum@jura.stud.uni-erlangen.de>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: not so huge a mystery?
Message-ID: <003a01bf2454$5c7cd180$78f50a0a@sjthneub.dialin.rrze.uni-erlangen.de>
Has it come to anyone's mind that the final "open your eyes, N." (icluding
the steps preceding them) might just be on the record that Nich was playing=
right after he came home. He might have fallen asleep and been woken up by
some kind of "d=E9ja vu"? That record could be Met. III, by the way....
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 03:02:22 PST
From: "Robert Sindermann" <sindermann@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: TV in background
Message-ID: <19991101110222.94563.qmail@hotmail.com>
I haven't caught up on the weekend's jams yet so maybe this has already been
covered. But did anyone notice that in Finally Free the TV is already
running in the background when Nicholas enters the room? What's up with
that?
Rob (looking forward to the show in Hamburg)
NP: Filter "Title of Record"
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:44:09 +0100
From: "Gallop, Neil" <Neil.Gallop@softwareag.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: It's the music
Message-ID: <C23163F98473D311874C0008C7E621070F83D4@daemsg02.software-ag.de>
Hi all
Are they twins? Is it incest? How killed Kennedy? The debate rages
on. But do I really care "whodunit"? No. For me, the music is the
message, and what a huge fucking message it is.
In the past I have complained about James' singing, but on the new
album he is good, and I can even understand most of the lyrics
without having to resort to the booklet. The story seems fairly
interesting, but when I listen to the new songs I get totally
engulfed by the music, so that the lyrics become secondary, and
I'll be buggered if I'm going to sit and try and figure out what's
going on when instead I can be completely letting myself drown in
wave after wave of wonderful music.
Sure, the guys put in some work coming up with this plot, and I'm
sure they are pissing themselves at some of the ideas people are
coming up with. But what about the people who have English as a
foreign language, and who may not pick up or spot all of the clues?
I'm certain that they, like me, will listen to the music first, and
then perhaps bother with the lyrics (if at all). Just my view.
Oh, and congratulations to Mika Hakkinen and the French rugby team.
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop (neil.gallop@softwareag.com)
Currently playing: The Gathering - How To Measure a Planet
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:43:52 -0600
From: Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: "Young Child" confusion.
Message-ID: <63E392974AF3D211A88600104B93BD8B15CC03@bham-xchg>
Guys,
I think the whole "girl on the cover of I&W" stuff is way off mark.
Victoria's probably early 20s, ok. I think that Nick is pretty old, if
Victoria died in 1928, then Nick (to be the continuation of her soul) would
have been born at the same time. Most older people (around 70 years in this
case) tend to call people in their early 20s things like "young child" -
it's all relative...!
I think the old man in FT, is Eddy, the date could be early 60's
when Ed's bloody old himself (old people still tend to call other old people
"old" - often I would hear my Grandad say things like "poor old man" about
someone very old - even though he was in his 90's).
Rave.....Dave (a UK jammer).
NP: SFAM - still kicking my butt....!
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:58:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: First Met 2 Cover.
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.10.9911010957160.29256-100000@njmsa.umdnj.edu>
This doesn't surprise me at all, considering it would probably cost a
pretty penny to develop something absolutely original for the album .
The new Counting Crows album cover is also a McKean work that was
originally the cover art for his book, "The Day I Swapped My Dad for Two
Goldfish"......
On Sun, 31 Oct 1999, Lionel wrote:
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> Initial met 2 cover?
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> http://www.amazon.com/images/P/1563891387.01.LZZZZZZZ.gif
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> Check this out!
>
> Lionel
>
> "...Metropolis watches and thoughtfully smiles,
> She's taking me to her home..."
> - Dream Theater
>
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 07:55:23 -0700
From: Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Symphony X
Message-ID: <381DA9DB.75A40170@ivorygate.com>
Rob Grant wrote:
>
> Why is it that Symphony X was unable to get a record deal in the US?
Actually, they were just recently signed with Metal Blade here in the States
for all future recordings (no back catalog support though)...
-- ~Michael Kizer < mike@ivorygate.com > < ICQ # 2070538 > "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." ~ http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<< >>> Underground Internet Radio at: http://www.ytseradio.com <<<------------------------------
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:16:49 -0200 From: "Bruno" <stort@sti.com.br> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: SFAM (will it be the future of the music? Hope so...) Message-ID: <001301bf247c$20406920$c742bcc8@bruno>
After several days of listening, reading and understanding this CD I became with the most simple, but efecctive, conclusion: the impossible happened. The perfect became more perfect and the boundries that I thought was untrapassable, is now far away. This CD is something that opens a new way to the music, showing that can be someone that unify the sound into one masterpiece in an ecletic and concrete way, that can not only be just a bunch of songs that kick all asses in the world, but can also be a perfect history, with a complete intersection of the music and the history, bringing us to inside the history as well. I guess that DT reach a level that is hard to any band of this planet reach. I'm not afraid to say that because I've got friends that have never heard DT and the heard SFAM for the first time, and they loved it. The greatest thing is that if you are not a fan, the album is great, and if you are a fan, the album is perfect. I'd like to say that I'm proud to say that I am a DT fan for 6 years and I hope to be surprised this way much more times. Carry On.... Bruno Stort
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:20:02 -0800 From: "LONG, TIMOTHY" <TIMLON@SAFECO.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Sony WEGA's Message-ID: <2F3D97D9D8C6D2118BA30001FAD4CBD4026DA9A7@hoxsv053.safeco.com>
Hey Josh,
I just went through the same dilemma with TV's about a month ago. I thought the WEGA's were pretty awesome until I started to read reviews and talk to the guys at A/V shops. I settled on the JVC 32" TV (not the PIP version) for $650. I gotta admit I was sold on the WEGA's but after comparing them with other TV's running DVD's and satellite boxes the WEGA's just look terrible, and they are horribly overpriced. In fact I learned that the JVC's have a much better repair record than SONY. Don't get me wrong, I love SONY TV's I have a 21" that my wife and I have owned for 15 years. It's a great bedroom TV. But I think the SONY of the 80's was much better than the Sony of the 90's.
Now I am enjoying my movies at the full 500 lines of resolution via component inputs on the JVC For more info on purchases like this check out http://www.audioreview.com, it's a site devoted to consumer reviews of audio and video equipment.
-Tim
We now return you to your regularly scheduled SFaM discussion.
Hello,
I am in the market to buy a new 32" TV. I am looking at the SONY KV-32FS10. It is the totally flat WEGA trinitron tube. The sucker looks really sweet. Great, no, INCREDIBLE picture. What are the reviews for this sucker? Anyone have one? It has simulated surround sound, not sure how well it works though :-)
I have found the TV for $1299. Alot for a 32" TV, but once you see the picture, you are hooked.
I am sure there are a ton of audio/video maniacs on this list!
DT material: I plan on watching my live Dream Theater video on this TV ;-)
Josh
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 07:47:35 -0800 From: "Tom Tubbiola" <ttubbiola@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Bon Jovi similarity correction. . . Message-ID: <199911011546.HAA16114@vulture.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
I realized I named the wrong song. The song that sounds like Bon Jovi's "Never Say Goodbye" is Through Her Eyes.
Tom
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 11:42:43 -0500 From: Barbara B <babs@pop.geneseo.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: JFK Jr. Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19991101114243.006d60f0@pop.geneseo.edu>
Hello everyone, it's Babs! Ok, let's put the JFK Jr. deal in it's proper light (yeah, I know, who died and left me boss right?) Anyways, I believe the JFK Jr. bit at the end is to more or less just symbolize how the sins of our fathers, get passed to the next generation. Like the lyrics emply "our deeds have traveled far, what we have been is what we are. All that we learn this time, is carried beyond this life" I truly believe that's all it's in there for.
I'm still not totally convinced that Nicholas is a reincarnation of anyone else, I see him as more of a "medium." Kind of like in this summer's past movie, "The Sixth Sense" where he's just simply seeing something from the past - an unresolved/unjustified death.
Ok. So that's all I've got so far. Back to trying to figure this all out...
Babs
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 11:51:13 -0500 From: Barbara B <babs@pop.geneseo.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5159 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19991101115113.006d7284@pop.geneseo.edu>
> >Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 06:46:57 EST >From: DTGirl2612@aol.com > >I think the guys are already writing Met III ..................
I think you may have hit on something DT Girl. At the end of SFAM I still don't feel any "closure". Does anybody else get the same feeling?
Babs
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:50:33 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: What do you think? DUH! Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.9911011148300.51512-100000@archa15.cc.uga.edu>
Joe wrote: I remember seeing some people comment on why the Nicholas is listening to a record player at the end, instead of a CD or something........
It occurred to me today that it's probably because a record is WAY more convenient to help tell the story. We can tell from the record getting disturbed that there was some kind of struggle. What would we hear if he was listening to a CD? <<<<
Probably a lot of skipping, but CDs suck so bad that that wouldn't really be an abnormal occurance.
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