YTSEJAM Digest 5214
Today's Topics:
1) Cynic, Gordian Knot...etc
by Stephen LaMonica <sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu>
2) Re: Cynic, Gordian Knot...etc
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
3) RE: Adam's FTP site
by "Pye, Adam" <apye@kcc.com>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5210
by Dustro2@aol.com
5) re: FII, SFAM, and various ramblings(long)
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
6) Re: LTE/punk
by Fett2002@aol.com
7) Re: Something nifty...
by MTeiper@aol.com
8) various Ramblings (long but fun to read)
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
9) Threshold
by Chris Oates <coates@objy.com>
10) S&M
by Greg Kristianson <gkristia@ucalgary.ca>
11) Kevin's SFaM comments
by "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@pop.primus.com.au>
12) VARIOUS ramblings (kinda long...)
by "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
13) Sales of SFaM
by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
14) RE: Threshold
by "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
15) FII...opinions...
by "Gregor" <uzs9pl@uni-bonn.de>
16) CD Now Discount Links?
by "W. Tugmutton" <tugmutton@toast.net>
17) Re: Kevin's SFaM comments
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
18) "Better" songs...
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
19) Re: Scaterd Few
by Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
20) punk
by mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
21) take me off this mailing list
by "Gagne" <gagne@bicnet.com>
22) Spock's Beard; Dividing up long songs
by "Chris Files" <cfiles44@hotmail.com>
23) skin
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:02:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen LaMonica <sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Cynic, Gordian Knot...etc
Message-ID: <199911292002.PAA17081@polaris.sju.edu.sju.edu>
In response to Jeff on Gordian Knot and Cynic. Where can you purchase these
cd's? By the way, you mentioned Laser's Edge....have you ever listened to
Clockwork on their label? They are philadelphia prog band.....I know the
guitarist Tom Gammarino pretty well. We lived a few doors away from each
other freshman year of college. Anyway, you can get there cd off of cdnow.
Sean Malone is a guest artist. He has a Grand Stick solo on one of the songs.
Quick question......does anyone own Shadow Gallery's Tyranny??? I have been
debating over whether or not I should purchase it or not. I liked Carved
In Stone, especially Cliffhanger.....but I just can't stand the lead singer. I
just don't like his singing style....would anyone recommend it? I can deal with
the lead singer...I think that they are an incredible band.
Steve La Monica
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:10:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Cynic, Gordian Knot...etc
Message-ID: <19991129201042.5588.rocketmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Stephen LaMonica <sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu> wrote:
> Quick question......does anyone own Shadow Gallery's Tyranny??? I have been
> debating over whether or not I should purchase it or not. I liked Carved
> In Stone, especially Cliffhanger.....but I just can't stand the lead singer.
> I
> just don't like his singing style....would anyone recommend it? I can deal
> with
> the lead singer...I think that they are an incredible band.
> Steve La Monica
>
Oh, man, don't hesitate any longer ! It's a wonderful concept album, which,
ranks pretty high in my best overall album list. Great songs, in fact a nice
story, fantastic guest appearance by DC Cooper and a small part by KJLB
too...Go get it, now !!! ;-)
=====
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:13:19 -0600
From: "Pye, Adam" <apye@kcc.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Adam's FTP site
Message-ID: <CF2C9F6501B6D211862500805F15297F01EE89B7@ustcax09.kcc.com>
Hey folks..
Yes, the FTP is down because I've moved. It's doubtful, however, that it
will return in the same format that it was in. Keep an eye out for
something very interesting that Bogie and I are collaborating on. If you
liked my site, you'll love this. Now, we've just got to get off of our lazy
butts (and I've got to finally get my high-speed connect installed) and get
going. :) Take care..
Adam
> ----- Original Message -----
> ]From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 4:18 PM
> Adam's FTP Site
>
> Thanks Ed...(Now I only hope I didn't delete that number ;)
>
>>--- Edward Polzin <polzin@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> the reason why it's invalid is because he's in the middle of moving and=
>> the site isnt online. check back in about 2 weeks or so when he gets
>> settled in. later.
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:15:45 EST
From: Dustro2@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5210
Message-ID: <0.e4564d09.257438f1@aol.com>
No Geddy is not in a new band! Geddy is my Fave...he is takeing some time off.
Dustro
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:01:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: re: FII, SFAM, and various ramblings(long)
Message-ID: <19991129210112.15392.rocketmail@web114.yahoomail.com>
Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Now, on to DT, and, well, SFAM sounds exactly like
what I feared it
> would sound like with Jordan on keyboards...His
sound choices are
> dreadful in several spots.
Welcome back to the jam... Several people (including
myself) have commented on some of Jordan's sound
choices. He introduced a lot of new sounds; some of
them may take a little while to get used to, some you
may like right from the start, some you may never
like.
> I've listened to it all the way through 3 times,
Uh oh. Did I mention that some people posted
retractions after posting hasty, early reviews?
> and I couldn't walk away any of those times
remembering a single
> thing I heard. It was like one big jumbled up blob
in my head.
Give it some time. My first few listens I might have
called it "jumbled". It will unjumble over time.
> I'm curious to see what reaction I get.
I'm curious to see how long it takes for you to change
your mind.
my $.02, BH
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:17:45 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: LTE/punk
Message-ID: <0.6eede8af.25744779@aol.com>
<<<Punk fans???? LTE (and prog in general) is everything that punk isn't!
>>Either you have some very openminded punk friends, or you really need to
>>explain them what punk is... <<<
>It's funny that he mentioned punk fans, because I went to a small
>communications school in Boston for a year, and in my advanced recordings
>class, there was this punk dude that liked LTE.
I don't think it's completely unbelievable for someone to like both punk AND
prog metal. Personally, I happen to like both, both not everything in those
genres. For example, I love old punk like the Misfits (old Misfits), the Sex
Pistols, and the Ramones as wel as some newer punk (if ya can call it punk)
like the Offspring (I might get a lot of flack on this list for liking them
but so be it). I also love DT (obviously), Queensryche and Pink Floyd. I
don't hve the LTE CDs as of now, but I will definitely be getting them in the
near future. Now maybe, if by saing a punk fan, you mean someone who is
diehard into punk and that's basically all they listen to, then maybe it
would be odd, but otherwise I don't think it's THAT unbelievable
-Mike
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:35:18 EST
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Something nifty...
Message-ID: <0.5af4c5f2.25744b96@aol.com>
In a message dated 11/29/1999, 1:39:28 PM, KorgMeister writes:
<<Did anyone catch the oddity in "End of Days" that was somewhat reminiscent
of our favorite scene in SFaM? The part where Satan walks into the
Visionary Tomas' hospital room and moves toward the bed.
"Open your eyes, Tomas."
Tomas gasps.
No record player scratchies though.
I cracked up at that part and everyone had to look at me funny.>>
Yep! I thought the exact same thing at that part. Didn't bust out laughing,
however. I guess I was still too pissed at the time due to the lady bashing
me a few minutes earlier with every one of her 10 shopping bags while trying
to navigate the stairs in the dark. Ah, the price you pay for an aisle seat.
:-)
Laterz... Matt T.
PS: I thought it was a cool flick as well.
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:47:28 -0600
From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: various Ramblings (long but fun to read)
Message-ID: <19991129.154731.11662.0.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
hey guys,
I've been so busy with school, but always time to read emails, I mean,
you have to proritize. First thing, I found Mullzmuzzler @ Camelot in
Panama City, FL. Wow. Great CD. Guardian Angel sticks out big time. James
sounds good on the whole CD. 2 complaints: 1) When I first put it on, I
felt like I was in a bad dance club, those keyboards on the first song
should go. Is Dali's Dilmena like that? I hope not, I want to check them
out.2)Beelzlebubba(sp?) doesn't seem to fit the CD at all.
Ok-FII-Count me in as loving it. I have personal attachments to a lot of
the songs on it lyrically, I can relate to them more than the other two.
I was depressed becuase the girl of dreams (I thought) who I had been
dating for a while shot me down bad one night, so on impulse I bought it.
Hollow Years got me out the rut I was in, lifted me up. Made me think,
hey crying over that is wasted time or "Hollow Years" :) Very good song.
QR Albums. boyyee, if you bought Hear in the Now you can be VERY Excited
about the rest, being a ravid QR fan here is the order I would buy the
rest in:
Operation Mindcrime
Promised Land
Rage For Order
Q2K
Empire
Warning
the EP last (so cheesy, but so much fun)
I also think the band should have split ACOS into the 7 parts, but with
no breaks, so I could scan to Another World. I love that part. It would
have left the song intact, but made the different parts accessible for
those who want to maybe just listen to a certain part.
Sorry this was long
Kurt
NP-Extreme Waiting For the Punchline (Gosh they held Mangini back)
also try to find the Operation Live Crime box set with Mindcrime live on
CD and VHS. Killer!
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going"-Doubledrive
New Dream Theater "Scenes From a Memory" out In Stores NOW!
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:39:13 -0800
From: Chris Oates <coates@objy.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Threshold
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991129143913.01de45e0@objypop>
Someone asked about them, and I didn't see a response, so here goes:
I love "Clone" so I went out and got an earlier one "Extinct Instinct" --
result? I haven't managed to sit through the whole thing yet. They have a
different singer on this older album, and he has a really thin, whiny
(typical prog?) voice. A far cry from the huge amounts of soul and emotion
put into the vocals by their new singer on Clone.
The instumentals have some of that Clone-y sound (grin) but somewhat
weaker, and it has a Pansy-Ass (tm) bright colors celtic design thing for
artwork.
All in all a disappointment. I still love Clone, tho, and will buy their
next one as soon as is comes out/I find it -- but I don't think I'll be
buying any more of their previous releases.
~Chris
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:12:32 -0700 (MST)
From: Greg Kristianson <gkristia@ucalgary.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: S&M
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.9911291548340.13434-100000@acs6.acs.ucalgary.ca>
Having had a chance to hear most of Metallica's S&M I must say,
imo, it is an extremely disappointing album. Thing is, it didn't have to
be. I strongly believe that Michael Kamen ruined any hope of these songs
sounding good with an orchestra. Kamen grossly underestimated the
possibilites within the music for this type of expanded treatment. Rather
than reinforce and enhance harmonically what is already there, he by and
large chose to play the composer himself, writing third rate Hollywood
action film score type themes overtop of the existing melodies. The result
sounds muddled and chaotic, like John Zorn on anesthetic. Kamen is the
classic schlock orchestrator; strings doing the big 64th note run into the
registral stratosphere, upon reaching the top note they hold it for thirty
or so measures. Gee, gotta have truckloads of brass, regardless of whether
or not it's appropriate; Enter Sandman wouldn't be out of place on a Nancy
Sinatra album. The music would have been a lot more powerful had Kamen
stuck to using the orchestral colors available as a reinforcement, not as
a chance to throw a bunch of unrelated material on top of an already
substantial arrangement. I think they should have had Nino Rota
orchestrate the music; there's a guy who knows what he's doing!
Grp
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:27:08 +1100
From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@pop.primus.com.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Kevin's SFaM comments
Message-ID: <0860f0430231db9ISPSRV16@mail.primus.com.au>
Ok, I haven't quoted the message because it was one long train of
thought and it's too much of a hassle to cut up different parts of it.
But I'm talking about Kevin Carmouche's comments last jam about
why he didn't like SFaM.
Fair enough, you don't have to like it. Nobody is going to come
round to your house and beat you over the head with baseball bats
until you scream in submission that this is the best music you've
ever heard... IMHO, Jordan is a perfect addition to DT. He brings
some fresh ideas and sounds, ala that ragtime or whatever it is part
in DoE. He also uses piano sounds a lot more than Derek and
Kevin. I thought he sounded great on the album, and I especially
loved the extremely moody part on the piano just after Nicky boy
leaves the hypnotist's and he's in the car.
As to your statements regarding how easy it was to remember
parts of the album after a listen - you say yourself you've only
heard it 3 times. DT albums often take a lot longer than only 3
listens to get into your head. But even so, if you could walk away
with absolutely no recollection of the album, you must either have
not been listening, or you had something else on your mind. The
first time I played it, I was left with the chorus tunes from Home
and Finally Free, and also that malevolent riff towards the end of
Finally Free. I found these to be very rememberable, if there is
such a word.
I won't disagree with you on FII, I love that album. But SFaM has
taken the cake in my opinion. As for not being able to hear
Myung... Did you have the bass turned down on your stereo or
something? I thought that of all the albums, Myung was easiest to
hear in SFaM. He's clearly audible all through Through Her Eyes,
he has that funky riff in Home (NP), he's all over the album.
You *need* to have a look at the story. It seems like what you
need to do is lock yourself in a room and listen to the album a
couple of times with absolutely no interruptions. The story is
brilliant, and the more you listen to the album, the more it grows on
you.
It's your choice. Shelve it if you so wish, but IMHO, you'll be
missing out...
Niall
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:05:20 -0200
From: "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: VARIOUS ramblings (kinda long...)
Message-ID: <199911291601511@randy_rhoads.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
>Derek had the
>ability to really rock, and it showed on FII and ACOS.
>because Derek
>rocks his ass off, he grooves so much and drives the band so well.
Very true... His playing in ACOS is very cool, and it is a major
reason for that being my favorite DT song... I've already said a
couple of times how much I like Derek's playing, so I won't go into
that again...
>KevMo could too,
I don't think anybody on this list would disagree with that...
>Myung I can't hear most of
>the time, he's not mixed near as well as he was in FII
I haven't heard FII in a while, so I don't remember how well you can
hear him, but I can hear him VERY well in SFAM...
>As for the talk about FII, I really don't have any problems with it
Neither do I... In fact, I like it a lot... PS, LitS, ToT, JLMB are
among my favorite DT tunes...
>>would be it. Overall I give SFAM an A just like Awake. I&W gets >the A+
>>despite the production and same with ACOS for that matter.
>
>
>I could agree on the ACOS production, but totally not for I 1 W. I >am not a
>sound engineer, but sounds really well IMHO.
I guess the fault most people find with the production in I&W is that
trigger thing that was used to record MP's drums... Otherwise, I
can't see any other problem...
>Strange... I really prefer these pieces together as a whole, as was >intended
>to be...
>PS. Braking the song up into pieces would reaaly be some kind of
>sacrilege...
Me too... Dunno why, but if feels kinda weird to hear ACOS broken
like it is in OiaLT... But I wouldn't go as far as to say it was a
sacrilege to break it up...
>Hmm... why is it, on this list, that everyone time someone likes an >album,
>they find it necessary to go out of their way to point out how >"anal" and
>"picky" the people who don't like it are?
Yeah... Let people like or dislike whatever they want, for whatever
reasons they have... People don't think the same way, so why should
they all like the same stuff?
>> PS. Braking the song up into pieces would reaaly be some kind of
>> sacrilege...
>
>Oh, you mean like DT did in their tour? Yeah, I always thought the >world
>was going to end whenever they stopped playing it on the beginning of
>OIALT. Honestly... They did it themselves; how bad can you really >think
>it is?
C'mon man, it's just his opinion, no need to go that hard on him...
Whew... I'm done now... Sorry for posting such a long post, I just
thought I'd write a few thoughts...
NP: Bruce Dickinson: Accident of Birth
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Adriano
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:54:12 -0600
From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Sales of SFaM
Message-ID: <003501bf3acd$6dce3340$dd5299d1@default>
Since we're talking about number of CD's sold, has anyone heard how the
sales are on SFaM???
Mike
Mike and Susan Verstraete
www.sound.net/~homewks
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:46:10 -0800
From: "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Threshold
Message-ID: <003f01bf3acc$4bfeea80$046400c0@oemcomputer>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of
> Chris Oates
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 2:52 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Threshold
>
>
>
> Someone asked about them, and I didn't see a response, so here goes:
>
> I love "Clone" so I went out and got an earlier one "Extinct
> Instinct" --
> result? I haven't managed to sit through the whole thing
> yet. They have a
> different singer on this older album, and he has a really thin, whiny
> (typical prog?) voice. A far cry from the huge amounts of
> soul and emotion
> put into the vocals by their new singer on Clone.
"Extinct Instinct" is sort of thought as Threshold's "Suck CD". The others
are much better. If you have "Clone", then get the all-time classic
"Psychdelicatessen". This one rules. I still think it's their best, though
"Clone" is quite good too.
Threshold seems to change vocalists a lot for some odd reason, so I'd try
some of the other early Threshold CDs before completely writing them off.
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 02:09:50 +0100
From: "Gregor" <uzs9pl@uni-bonn.de>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: FII...opinions...
Message-ID: <000001bf3acf$f13225a0$d82dfea9@flor>
Well, i really agree with that dude who said that FII is a great album. I
also prefer Dereks sound to Jordans. But who cares ?
You should have realized after reading 3 jams, that there are more or less
as many different tastes as people subscribed to the jam. IMO, for example,
FII is much better than the I&W, just because of ToT and LitS. These songs
are something special for me, but i still love the I&W and i would not argue
with anybody who says that for him LtL is the most special thing he ever
heard.
Hey, that is the great thing about this band, they made something special
for everyone of us, and the other stuff we also like, more or less. So why
complain about it??
Life consists of contrasts, and you can just like something best if there is
another thing you can compare it with and then prefer it.
I really like to read why somebody likes something, because it opens new
ways for me to listen to it. But it is so boring when you just read
complains about other people tastes. Express yourself, that is far more
interesting than commenting other peoples statements about their musical
preferences.
Just my thoughts about all this postings....
Gregor
If a man does not keep pace with his companions,
perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer.
Henry David Thoreau
mmm, just like this quote,
especially when i think that the drummer might be MP
well, then keeping pace would not be the problem, i think
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:15:14 -0600
From: "W. Tugmutton" <tugmutton@toast.net>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: CD Now Discount Links?
Message-ID: <000101bf3ad0$5d1c2f40$cbdd1a93@tugmutton.swt.edu>
Ahoy,
If anyone has a CDnow discount link available, please send it to
me at tugmutton@toast.net , if you please. I would be most appreciative.
Thanks!
- M
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:24:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Kevin's SFaM comments
Message-ID: <19991130012444.17723.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com>
--- Niall Connaughton <ytsejam@pop.primus.com.au>
wrote:
>
> IMHO, Jordan is a perfect addition to DT.
Here here! I'll expand on this thought in a sec tho.
> first time I played it, I was left with the chorus
> tunes from Home
> and Finally Free, and also that malevolent riff
> towards the end of
> Finally Free. I found these to be very rememberable,
> if there is such a word.
I personally fell in immediate love with "Strange Deja
Vu". I dunno, I just really enjoy(ed) that song.
> I won't disagree with you on FII, I love that album.
Mm, at the risk of beating this topic to death, I just
didn't get in to FII as much as the other CDs. It's
not bad at all, really. It's nice and heavy and all
that, but it just seems like something is missing from
that CD. Maybe it's the fact that this was the first
time that the band had written new music with a
musician like DS. I dunno. JLMB was an immediate
stand out track and NM was an immediate stand out turb
bomb IMHO. I'm sorry, but I just really dislike NM.
The keyboards suck more than anything else DT have
ever put their name on.
> But SFaM has
> taken the cake in my opinion.
Eh, I wouldn't go that far. I think Awake may always
be my fave DT CD, but SFAM would be #2 on my list. I
personally think it worked out rather well for DT that
Portnoy and Petrucci worked with JR with LTE before
making the new album b/c I think it gave them a chance
to get comfortable with him as a musician. The live
LTE gigs probably didn't hurt either. If anyone ever
wanted an easy explanation on the seeming "instant
chemistry" between DT and JR, that's my best guess--
two albums with memebrs of the band, plus a mini-tour.
Maybe it wasn't so "instant" after all...
> You *need* to have a look at the story. It seems
> like what you need to do is lock yourself in a room
> and listen to the album a couple of times with
> absolutely no interruptions. The story is
> brilliant, and the more you listen to the album, the
> more it grows on you.
Agreed. The story kinda unfolds in front of you, if
you take the time to listen. This could be the most
straight forward telling of a story on a concept album
I've ever heard, and it works really well. Kevin
should definitley give the album a listen. My
recommendation would be to sit in a bean bag chair,
put on some head phones and play the CD with closed
eyes and try to come up with some visuals that match
the lyrics and mood of the music.
=====
*Trent
"There's colors on the street. Red, white & blue.
People shuffeling their feet. People sleeping in their shoes.
There's a warning sign on the road ahead. There's a lot of people thinking we'd be better off dead.
Don't feel like Satan, but I am to them.
So I try to forget them anyway I can."
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:02:31 -0500
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: "Better" songs...
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991129210231.007b0100@pop.gl.umbc.edu>
>You metion some intersting things here. As I mentioned in another post, I do
>like this album. However, a couple of the songs were written to be "hits" it
>seems. And I connect this to your comment, "if they had more control, I'm
>sure it would've been a little less song-oriented." That's an intersting
comment.
>I remember reading an interview in Guitar World with JP when FII came out
and he said
>about it that "we've gotten better at writing songs." Now, when somebody
says
>that, it scares the hell out of me. I;ve heard it before. Becuase, it seems
>like when somone says "we've gotten better at writing songs" it really means
>"we think we wrote some hits." Not just with JP saying that but with other
>bands as well. Anyone else notice that?
I think it scares people who don't make the distinction between John
Petrucci, the COMPOSER and John Petrucci, the SONGWRITER. There's a HUGE
difference. If FII was an experiment in writing better songs, then it is
better than all their other albums.
The term "better songs" is not NEARLY as subjective as most people would
like to think it is. We all know that DT had songs that went verse chorus
verse chorus etc. before FII, like Another Day, TTT, PMU, TSM, what have
you. Those songs are great, but whatever quality it is that makes
something a "great" pop song, the songs on FII have more of it than on the
other albums.
Steve Z
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:02:39 -0600
From: Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Scaterd Few
Message-ID: <19991129.200616.3550.3.schnapster@juno.com>
Oh yeah, an interesting little side note, original Scaterd Few drummer
Sam West played on Saviour Machine's first (self-titled) album. A good,
solid drummer.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 01:57:24 +1100
From: mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: punk
Message-ID: <3843E5D4.96C3B78@alphalink.com.au>
My favourite punk band is Suicidal Tendencies. These guys are great- not progressive,
but more of a metal vein. You got to love the lead guitar (this is how not to play
guitar,
but hey).
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:45:34 -0500
From: "Gagne" <gagne@bicnet.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: take me off this mailing list
Message-ID: <000501bf3ae5$73e9fee0$bd4a43d8@default>
Please take me off the mailing list for the dreamtheater newsletter
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:53:30 EST
From: "Chris Files" <cfiles44@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Spock's Beard; Dividing up long songs
Message-ID: <19991130035330.74068.qmail@hotmail.com>
>The Epic "Healing Colors Of The Sun" is also a killer songs, alldow I would
>love
>if they hadn't divided into 6 short parts insted of an epic 20 min track
>like
>"Time Has Come", "Flow" or "The Wather".
>
>As for songs like "Skin", "The Gipsy" or "Can't Get It Wrong", I think they
>are
>good songs but nothing special. Too low for Spock's Beard standarts IMO.
>
>Any other oppinions ?
I could see the argument for Skin and CGiW, although I still wouldn't agree.
The Gypsy, however, is a fantastic prog piece, my favorite on the album,
in fact, after The Healing Colors of Sound. Listen to Gypsy again and see
if it doesn't grow on you (I'm guessing you've only listened to the album a
couple times if you were mistaking 'Sound' with 'The Sun' ? :) ...or were
you just confused by that other song, The Distance to Sound... :)
>To tell the truth, I thought it made a hell of a lot more sense to break
>the two opening tracks in OIALT. I had thought about re-burning ACOS onto
>a different CD and making it separate tracks, but I didn't REALLY see the
>point of that, since I usually listen to it all the way through. But
>sometimes, I REALLY want to hear Another World, since it's probably my
>favorite song from ACOS (why don't they EVER do that one live?).
Just to throw in a different viewpoint, I'm actually a big fan of the
undivided long songs (although if the 'index' option had ever gotten
popularity on cd players, I think it would have been cool to have kept the
long songs as one track, but had the parts indexed -- my first
[unremastered] copy of 2112 was like that); in fact, I've been turning my cd
collection into mp3s lately, and one of the things I've been doing is taking
divided songs (e.g. A Mind Beside Itself) and recording them as one track
(or file, in this case). I've even grouped the some of the separate parts
of some concept albums together (for instance, I made Brain Damage and
Eclipse one track, and the same with The Happiest Days of Our Lives and
Another Brick in the Wall Part 2). Anyway, when I mp3 The Healing Colors of
Sound, it will definitely be one track. Now granted, I do this in small
part because I can't seem to figure out how to make my mp3s play completely
seemlessly from one song to the next (using Winamp 2.09), but the primary
reason is because when I listen to a piece, I usually prefer to listen to
the whole thing. (And if I really don't like the whole long song [e.g. The
Water], I just edit out the parts I don't like with Cool Edit).
Hey, while I'm on the subject, there's an MP3 CD disc-man type player being
put on the market soon (supposedly next month) and I just want to tell the
world that I'm very excited about the prospect of carrying 9 hours of music
around with me on one CD. One title, four words: 'Nine Hour Prog Mix'.
Whoo hoo!
Chris
cfiles44@hotmail.com
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:59:13 PST
From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: skin
Message-ID: <19991130035913.23359.qmail@hotmail.com>
As for songs like "Skin", "The Gipsy" or "Can't Get It Wrong", I thinkthey
are
>good songs but nothing special. Too low for Spock's Beard standarts IMO.
I'm new to SB, having only heard Day For Night (and my copy of it snapped in
half the other day =^(.....), but I still must say that "Skin" is one of my
favorite songs. It's not ten miniutes long and is in 4/4 the whole way
through. SO WHAT? It's an intelligent, heartfelt, and VERY catchy song. I
wish I could write stuff that good. Just because you can hum something,
doesn't necessarily mean it sucks, IMHO. But then, I like FII , so what the
heck do I know?
-Banjoman
np: SFAM: Synth Horn Solo (I used to hate this part. I still don't really
care for the patch, but the actual notes he's playing are so...weird! I
never even noticed KM and DS's solos, because whenever they took a solo they
used a patch that sounded a lot like synthed-out guitar, and they played in
the same way a guitarist would play. I still think KM was the best for
their overall sound (his droning string textures just....complete Awake),
but JR seems to be a much more interesting soloist. But then, I like FII,
so what the heck do I know?
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