YTSEJAM Digest 5211
Today's Topics:
1) Why 30k sold can be a good thing...
by "Alexander T. Coassin" <alex@nemaweb.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5210
by WoRiX <worix@royaume.com>
3) FII Opinions/Machine Head
by "Paul Tadday" <PaulTad@bigpond.com>
4) Yesshow and DT boot
by "Simon Dodd" <sjdodd80@hotmail.com>
5) more bass-questions
by Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
6) Re: Adam's FTP Site
by "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com>
7) Re: Obligatory Thanksgiving Day Parade
by Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
8) ... Dixie Dregs
by Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
9) ytsejam in Hamburg
by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
10) advertising for LTE?
by "M P" <mremann6@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
11) Re: FII Opinions/Machine Head
by JamesAhab@aol.com
12) fretless slapping
by Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 21:32:01 -0500
From: "Alexander T. Coassin" <alex@nemaweb.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Why 30k sold can be a good thing...
Message-ID: <383F42A0.14A4B90B@nemaweb.com>
When you are an indepedent record company, record sales is an entirely different ballgame then
major labels, that's why a lot of major labels are scared shitless at the prospect of major
artists selling the cd's online by themselves. Check out the math (granted guestimate numbers,
but I still believe the concept is sound).
Let's say I choose to produce / sell a cd, and that cd generates 25,000 in sales.
Let's say each cd sells on average for $15. Well the record store (I used to work in a record
store) is actually paying $9.99 ($10) for the cd. The distributor is paying (varying rates)
approx $8 for the cd.
Ok, let's be conservative here... let's say I bring in $7 for the cd (remember, this is before
production, advertising, etc.).
$7 * $25,000 = $175,000
Ok with a $175,000 anticipated gross revenue, I could easily do the following:
$25,000 for recording / mastering (you could do a lot with $25k, esp., in a week like LTE.)
$ 5,000 package design / misc. fees.
$75,000 production (cd production / jewel case at 3 bucks a piece - which I believe is industry
standard at this quantity).
$15,000 advertising (cd's like this and other jazz / new age cd have very limited advertising,
usually internet, trade magazine, and type specific mags i.e. guitar world, etc.)
Total Cost thus far : $120,000
Net Cash flow: $55,000
LTE or any others musicians probably get like $5,000 (x's four players) each plus percentage of
royalties, income from gigs (not bad for a week or two of work, plus they are motivated by the
opportunity to do a project like this... it's not all about the $$$).
I as the independent record guys gets $35,000 if they sell 25,000 plus a good percentage of
sales beyond 25k (because the recording / advertising / package design came out of the first
25,000 units). Not bad for just one cd. Multiply that by a bunch of artists, and if a few
hit 30k... I could have a decent business on hand (i.e. Magna Carta).
I think this is a realistic scenario. This is how a lot of jazz / newage artists manage to
make money off cds. I would love to see some debate on this. I am sure a lot of you would
argure that the artist, like LTE make more than 5 grand each of the first 25,000 sold... but I
beg to differ. I bet they would be happy with that money because it is only a "project", that
doesn't take a lot of their time... it's something they really want to do... I bet the money is
just a bonus to them. I would love to see this issue debated.
I think Elektra makes money off DT because they probably limit them to a strict budget, don't
do a lot of advertising, and are willing to keep them on because they are good for Elektras
profile (having worldwide exposure, they are good enough musicians that they always have a
possibility of "hitting" within in a niche market, and I'm sure make little $ each record
because of consistent sales (remember, a lot of record companies lose money from 80% of their
artists, and make the money from the remaining 20%)). I'm sure any record wouldn't mind a
band that makes consistent sales even though those sales figures maybe long. As long as they
are on a budget, they can always make money... and that's better then they can say for a lot of
bands. Why not keep a band that's make some money in their portfolio... for the off chance
that the band hits it big.
- alex
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Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 00:44:46 -0500
From: WoRiX <worix@royaume.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5210
Message-ID: <383F6FCD.E2C53C16@royaume.com>
PLease stop that .... delete worix@royaume.com !!!!!
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Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 21:53:22 +1100
From: "Paul Tadday" <PaulTad@bigpond.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: FII Opinions/Machine Head
Message-ID: <001301bf38c5$a0844900$4dc2868b@user>
Sheesh!!
After reading some recent posts (if not ALL posts) regarding FII, I'm
surprised that anyone on this list is into OFB at all!!!
I've never heard so many fussy listeners complain about various songs of an
album in all of my life!!!
I personally love FII as I do with ever DT release. Sure, some songs are
better than others but overall I think that album has a ton of merit!!!!
Anyone who plays in a band will tell you that you have to write to appeal to
your own tastes, otherwise there's no point! At the end of the day, you
can't please everyone everytime!!!
R.E. MACHINE HEAD post.
Definately "Burn My Eyes" is the cd to get!!!
Cheers,
Paul.
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Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:45:53 GMT
From: "Simon Dodd" <sjdodd80@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Yesshow and DT boot
Message-ID: <19991127114553.16085.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hi guys,
Can anyone who's thinking of watching the YES House of Blues show on the TV
video it for me, and we could discuss what you'd want for it?
I really want to see this show, but I neither have satellite nor USTV.
Also, I was looking at the setlist (in the OIaL Archive) of the Rotterdam
show, and I noticed that they played Hey You. If anyone has a boot of tat
show including Hey You (or any other show with it, for that matter) that
they want to discuss letting me have a copy of, I'd be thrilled to hear from
you.
Si,
Who wants to play more bass
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Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:44:58 +0100
From: Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: more bass-questions
Message-ID: <383FD24A.7A5E7C61@siol.net>
Greg Kristianson wrote:
> Matej (Owww!!!! My frickin' tongue!)
I knew it.. now I'm gonna get sued and have to sell all my bass
gear..
>- You mentioned
>Steve Bailey so naturally, being a part of the bottom-end
>bretheren, I had to throw my two rubles in. Yes, Steve Bailey
>is amazing and Bass Extremes is mind blowing, especially considering
>they recorded and wrote it in something like a day and a half.
A day and a half? OOOHH MYYYY GOOOD! Did you notice there's
different (but equally mind dazzeling) music on CD and video?
I already ordered instruction book, wonder which music is
explained, CD or video? Any bassbro checked out the instructional
book? lemme know if it's useful...
>I have a big problem with his solos, though, mainly because he
>seems to rely far too much on scalar patterns rather than interesting
>melodic material.
Exatcly, although his command over instrument is incredible,
what bothers me is that his aproach to soloing doesn't change
all that much. What really kills me though is the use of harmonics.
Forget Lifting Shadows, this guys harmonics are beyond real,
something I need to get into soon... VicWoot is still my main
cat though :)
>As far as fretless players go, I love Pino Palladino,
I'll check him out as soon as I get to the nearest record store.
Any recommendations?
>Tony Levin (have you heard Robbie Robertson's "Somewhere Down the
>Crazy River? Levin's fretless playing on that track is absolutely
>stunning!), Michael Manring, Mark Egan, Jaco, and Patrick O'Hearn.
>Starting on fretless is a great idea for someone who is extremely
>disciplined. Being a Classical Bassist, I can attest to the fact
>that intonnation is a *bitch*, but as a musician it's probably far
>better in the end to rely more on the ears than the eyes.
Ofcourse, but my left hand isn't that well built yet. I have some
serious problems with chords (I'm no Bailey:) on fretless. Anything
beyond fifth just kills me :)
Matej "Gargamel" Grginic :)
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Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 08:42:29 -0600
From: "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Adam's FTP Site
Message-ID: <008501bf38e5$ab0bb280$13b18ad1@boner>
the reason why it's invalid is because he's in the middle of moving and t=
he
site isnt online. check back in about 2 weeks or so when he gets settles
in. later.
----- Original Message -----
]From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 4:18 PM
Subject: Adam's FTP Site
>
> Hi there !
>
> I'd like to know the IP address for Adam's ftp site, since the number a
> saved doesn't seem to be valid anymore, or is the server occasionally
> down ?
>
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> Janne Jokitalo
>
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Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:54:54 +0100
From: Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Obligatory Thanksgiving Day Parade
Message-ID: <383FF0BE.E8734C17@siol.net>
KorgX3:
>I felt it necessary to convey my utmost and heartfelt appreciation,
>gratitude, and all around thankfulness to everyone on the 'jam, even if you
>are underpriveledged and live in a third world country that doesn't
>celebrate the holiday and have to live on reindeer and porridge in scarcity.
Beautifuly said.. tears in my eyes, man.. TEARS! :)
Matej
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Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:57:12 +0100
From: Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: ... Dixie Dregs
Message-ID: <383FF148.AFD5F035@siol.net>
>I hope Dixie Dregs put out a Live Video following the tour.
>
Does anyone know if they'r coming to Europe with DT after the
US tour? That'd make me cream my pants!
Matej
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Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 16:35:10 CET
From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: ytsejam in Hamburg
Message-ID: <19991127153510.64627.qmail@hotmail.com>
well,
ytsejam was played, but not by the band. it came after the clockwork orange
melody, thus after the show, in the well known internet-piano version.
btw, why do you assume the played more of UM in cologne???
seb
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Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:17:14 -0500
From: "M P" <mremann6@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: advertising for LTE?
Message-ID: <199911271012036@mremann6.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
]From: "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
Subject: RE: LTE sales figures...
>After all, these discs (or any other Magna Carta release) hardly
>receive any promotion. Outside of this mailing list and related
>ones, certain Usenet newsgroups, and web sites like Perpetual Motion
> or Pixel Planet (shameless plug), where are you going to
>hear about CDs like this?
>I was shocked a few months ago to see LTE2 in one of the listening
> stations at a Borders. The little description card only mentioned
> Tony Levin's involvement, and then told people to listen to
> "Chewbacca" (in my opinion the worst LTE tune on either CD), so
> it's sort of a mixed blessing, I guess.
Borders book stores plugged both LTE albums and had them in their
'listening booths'. They also had King Crimson's side ProjeKct Two
listed as an unsung artistic hit and briefly discounted it along
with other (very diverse) items.
We wouldn't call Borders a haven for progressive rock, but for a
mass outlet, it's not a bad choice for occasional browsing. Now
if they'd just take our suggestion and put Porcupine Tree in the
listening post for a while...
JAJUID
Dream Theater newsletter - http://www.dreamtheater.net/uacmmail/
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Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 16:31:53 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: FII Opinions/Machine Head
Message-ID: <0.e3e14e1.2571a7c9@aol.com>
>< Anyone who plays in a band will tell you that you have to write to
appeal to
your own tastes, otherwise there's no point! At the end of the day, you can't
please everyone everytime!!! ><
Yeah, well they've said themselves that they where pressured by the label to
write a "hit," so they were writing to appeal to the label's tastes. Of
course they had no choice, but if they had more control, I'm sure it would've
been a little less song-oriented.
jim
np - engine
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Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 18:43:03 -0600
From: Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: fretless slapping
Message-ID: <19991127.184410.-1680493.0.schnapster@juno.com>
Oh yeah, I did forget to mention one band who's bassist often slapped on
a fretless. Scaterd Few. I thiknk they're sort of on hiatus right now,
but for those not familiar with them (probably everyone here :), they're
an old (i.e. early 80's) Christian (don't let that scare you) punk band
that mixed a lot of reggae into their stuff (ala Bad Brains). Very cool,
and at times complex stuff. Certainly one of the more creative and
unique punk bands I've heard.
Dale R. Newberry
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