YTSEJAM Digest 5210
Today's Topics:
1) hey
by DoubleJay54@aol.com
2) RE: LTE sales figures...
by "Mike Patrick" <mvpatrick@home.com>
3) Nevermore
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
4) comparing portnoy and weckl
by Vampyrized@aol.com
5) RE: NEVERMORE
by "hitomi iwai" <hit_i@hma.att.ne.jp>
6) Obligatory Thanksgiving Day Parade
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
7) RH tapping
by Greg Kristianson <gkristia@ucalgary.ca>
8) more bass-questions
by Greg Kristianson <gkristia@ucalgary.ca>
9) SFAM/Aeyron
by =?iso-8859-1?q?Jesus=20Gonzalez?= <pesus_keystone@yahoo.com>
10) Geddy Lee ... Dixie Dregs
by "Robert O'Doherty" <RODoherty@seagull.nl>
11) Re: Down with the shred/ Forbidden fruit
by "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
12) Hamburg concert question
by Michael Pruchnicki <mlpruchnicki@computec.de>
13) Re: Hamburg concert question
by Jason.Breitweg@blind-guardian.com (Jason T. Breitweg)
14) Re: Dave's the man
by Martin <newmln@yahoo.com>
15) Solo editing & Tori Amos
by "Simon Dodd" <sjdodd80@hotmail.com>
16) Nevermore's "Dreaming Neon Black"
by ClPuritan@aol.com
17) Machine Head?
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5209
by Fernando Rauber <ferer@conex.com.br>
19) Re: Nevermore
by JamesAhab@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:22:29 EST
From: DoubleJay54@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: hey
Message-ID: <0.d23bb872.256f48e5@aol.com>
hello, i was try ing to get on this list ( the post ) for a while but had
no luck, i was wondering if you could put me on it? A buddie of mine who
gets it sent me a copie and suggested i send it to the adress everyone sends
their stuff to and ask to be put on it. Please e-mail me privatly and met me
know because i'm not on the list yet.
DT rocks
JJ Freedlund
E-Mail me at DoubleJay54@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:38:50 -0500
From: "Mike Patrick" <mvpatrick@home.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: LTE sales figures...
Message-ID: <005b01bf37b7$5f659960$6da20418@CT466024-A.nblvil1.in.home.com>
>> In a fit of temporary insanity, I was in a.m.d-t, and there
>> were supposed
>> sales numbers for both LTE releases:
>>
>> LTE 1: 30k-ish
>> LTE 2: 15k-ish
>>
>> Now, I cannot speak to the accuracy of the numbers, but if true, THESE
>> TOTALS SUCK.
Not to reply to my own post, but the more I think about these
numbers...well, did the band even cover expenses when all is said and done?
Or did Magna Carta throw a chunck of change at them in the expectation that
a 'supergroup' album(s) would generate interest in the lable as a whole? I
mean, jeez, can you imagine them doing 'When the Water Breaks' for free?
Yeah, I've got about a thousand better things to worry about, but enquiring
minds...
>I like Magna Carta, but they seemingly have no promotional budget. Without
>promotion, you're not going to get people to check out these bands.
Right. But I would still argue that there are TONS of 'DT fans' that could
very easily be turned onto LTE (or Platypus, for that matter) with something
simple - say fliers at a DT show, or something like that. Hell, they're
even playing LTE tunes in their set now (at least in Europe, anyway).
That's pretty good promotion, but I think the band could push their own
stuff as well with a few choice words during their sets. Do something.
ANYTHING...
>> Have you ever stood in line at a DT show (or other
>> prog/prog-metal band) and
>> said the words 'Shadow Gallery', 'S/X', 'Lemur Voice',
>> 'Enchant', etc.,
>> etc., etc.? Aren't all those slack, blank looks you get in
>> return simply
>> stunning? Think everyone is online just like you? Think again. The
>> demographics apparently aren't in favor of the bands we love...
>
>Oddly enough, people in line at DT shows and other shows are one of the few
>places I've found that you can mention a band like Enchant and actually
have
>them know what you're talking about. Mentioning Shadow Gallery in the
>presence of some prog fans can cause fistfights, but that's a whole other
>story (I happen to like SG, but can understand why many people don't).
Seriously, I've had plenty of 'who the hell is ______?' experiences in lines
when I've mentioned a 'well known' band.
Sort of related, but not really: When I was waiting for a Portnoy clinic
after the first LTE came out, two guys behind me in line saw my LTE cd and
were like, 'DUDE! Where in the friggin' hell did you find that?!?!?!?!?
We've looked everywhere!!!!!'
'Uh,' I said, 'CDNow.'
'Where's that?' one of them asked.
>while I'm driving around in my car, scaring people at stoplights with
>whatever's in the car changer at the moment (all part of my Prog Outreach
>Program).
That could be the line of the year, folks.
>The internet is probably keeping more bands alive than we give it credit
>for, though, and it can only get more powerful.
Yeah, but I'm still amazed that any of them have quit their day jobs. DT's
saving grace is they tour. Incessantly. $$$. If they were going it on
record sales alone...well, Wal-Mart would need to hire about five less
people.
Mike
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:51:48 -0500
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Nevermore
Message-ID: <383DF5C4.CE91A35@home.com>
Luke said:
> Can anyone give me some info/insights on Nevermore's album, Dreaming
> Neon Black. I'm wondering if it is worth picking up. I've heard
> they're not really prog, but more of a melodic power metal, like
> Superior. Any opinions,comments?
Dave Thomas replied:
> Prog metal? Um, not really. Metal? Oh yes. Extremely powerful, very heavy, and yet varied
> enough that it's not repetitive like so many other metal bands.
I agree w/Dave's analysis. I'd definitely go with Dreaming Neon Black
though. I also have their s/t debut, and this one personally puts me to
sleep, especially compared to DNB. I can't comment on In Memory, or
Politics of Ecstasy though.
- Joe D.
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 22:22:04 EST
From: Vampyrized@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: comparing portnoy and weckl
Message-ID: <0.14d5d56b.256f56dc@aol.com>
first of all, there is no way weckl sounds like a drum machine. just because
he is more technically advanced than most drummers in the world does not mean
his playing sounds mechanical. portnoy does not sound like a drum machine
either, but he sounds closer to one than weckl. weckl's playing isn't always
with a click (or at least it doesn't sound like it) and as solid as portnoy's
playing is, it could be duplicated with a drum machine a hell of a lot easier
than weckl's could.
but the good thing about portnoy........
i have seen both portnoy and weckl in clinic in the past year. the main
difference is that when i got home from portnoy's clinic i wanted to play my
drums all night and and the next day. this was the general feeling i gathered
from everyone else there. when weckl finished his last solo, i never wanted
to play again, just because he is, well, almost too good. very intimidating.
this was definitely the feeling of a lot of people there. portnoy is an
amazing drummer, while not as advanced as weckl, he radiates a passion for
the instrument. weckl is one of the most advanced players in the world, and
intimidates (almost) everyone in the room.
with all that being said, they are both very nice guys. i got my picture
taken with both of them and several different things autographed. i have
heard rumors that weckl is pretty cold, but i can say from personal
experience that this is not the case.
Nick
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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 13:03:13 +0900
From: "hitomi iwai" <hit_i@hma.att.ne.jp>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: NEVERMORE
Message-ID: <007c01bf37c3$5cef4bc0$3bca4ca5@toshiba-user>
Luke Bateup <lbateup@bond.edu.au> wrote:
>Can anyone give me some info/insights on Nevermore's album, Dreaming
>Neon Black. This CD is available at one of my local record stores and
>I'm wondering if it is worth picking up. I've heard they're not really
>prog, but more of a melodic power metal, like Superior. Any opinions,
>comments?
To me, they are technical power metal, if I categorize their music.
I don't think Nevermore is playing prog, but some fans seem to call their
music as prog metal. Perhaps, their complicated rhythm patterns reminds
some fans of prog metal.
Their background music is heavy like melodic death metal, or heavier
than other (death) metal bands. Plus their sound is unique especially the
guitar riffs. Warrel Dane's vocal style is extremely powerful and melodic
e.g. Rob Halford(in his J. Priest days.)and Geoff Tate(in his early days.),
IMO.
Their Official site has some MP3 soundclips.:
Are you from Australia? Nevermore was back to Seattle in the mid
of this month, from their first Aussie tour w/ a couple Aussie bands...
Peace,
Hitomi
P.S.: "Dreaming Neon Black" is my best album of the year.....
behind "SFaM"!! heheh...
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http://y7.net/u/otpage.html
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:32:46 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Obligatory Thanksgiving Day Parade
Message-ID: <001f01bf37c7$6987f2c0$1d0d84d0@safelink.net>
Ah... After having taken turkey with my family and gorged myself to current
maximum density (which appears to be a 15% greater average from last year's
report), I felt it necessary to convey my utmost and heartfelt appreciation,
gratitude, and all around thankfulness to everyone on the 'jam, even if you
are underpriveledged and live in a third world country that doesn't
celebrate the holiday and have to live on reindeer and porridge in scarcity.
Let's all sit back and give thanks to <insert deity of choice or lack
thereof here> for <insert personally gratifying material, psychological,
and/or spiritual items here>.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Wherever you are!
-- ButterKorgX3 belches and kicks the cat out from under the table. NP: The Mormon Tabernacle Choir - A Pilgrim's Feast of Meat and Love------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 22:09:35 -0700 (MST) From: Greg Kristianson <gkristia@ucalgary.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RH tapping Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.9911252203400.112746-100000@acs6.acs.ucalgary.ca>
In the notes to King Crimson's "Frame by Frame" set, Bob Fripp lays claim to pioneering the RH tapping technique; i think he does it on the live track "Travel Weary Capricorn" but I'm not sure. The track dates from a show in 1969.
Grp
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 22:32:12 -0700 (MST) From: Greg Kristianson <gkristia@ucalgary.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: more bass-questions Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.9911252218401.112746-100000@acs6.acs.ucalgary.ca>
Matej (Owww!!!! My frickin' tongue!)- You mentioned Steve Bailey so naturally, being a part of the bottom-end bretheren, I had to throw my two rubles in. Yes, Steve Bailey is amazing and Bass Extremes is mind blowing, especially considering they recorded and wrote it in something like a day and a half. I have a big problem with his solos, though, mainly because he seems to rely far too much on scalar patterns rather than interesting melodic material. As far as fretless players go, I love Pino Palladino, Tony Levin (have you heard Robbie Robertson's "Somewhere Down the Crazy River? Levin's fretless playing on that track is absolutely stunning!), Michael Manring, Mark Egan, Jaco, and Patrick O'Hearn. Starting on fretless is a great idea for someone who is extremely disciplined. Being a Classical Bassist, I can attest to the fact that intonnation is a *bitch*, but as a musician it's probably far better in the end to rely more on the ears than the eyes.
Grp
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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 00:06:31 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jesus=20Gonzalez?= <pesus_keystone@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: SFAM/Aeyron Message-ID: <19991126080631.16339.rocketmail@web1603.mail.yahoo.com>
Hi jammers,
First of all, Ayeron's "Into the Electric Castle" is, IMO, not a good album. The first CD is OK, even it has some really great moments in it (the ones I heard before buying the CD) but the second one includes some of the crappiest moments I've heard in some time. It's a pity how Lucassen ruins his own album by singing as one of the characters, he already had seven great singers, what's the point in perfoming vocals if he already plays all the instruments! That's what I call self-indulgence. If someone is interested in this album I'd like to trade it for any other material, or even a CD recording of your "all time favs". Please, help me to get rid of it!!
Second, I'd never rank SFAM along with I&W or Awake, because it seems almost everybody would trim it here and there to make a perfect disk. I cannot think of doing so to the other two, those albums are damn solid. I don't like BTL and James' vocals on The Spirit Carries on, though I think he makes a magnificent job in the rest of the album. ToE is weird and pointless but it sounds cool as long as there is just one song like it. The outro music of FF is ludicrous. Anyway I love the rest of the album, but maybe not as much as both LTE.
What I found funny when I subbed about a couple of months ago is that most people bash parts of FII but no one agree in which parts. My $.02: - I like Anna Lee, not the style I love, not what I expect from DT, but itīs a good song and well performed - I can't dig New Millenium,JLMB - The chorus in LitS doesn't fit, IMO, with the rest of the song, which is pretty good (specially the lyrics) - James' tone in TAMP chorus is shrill and annoying, doesn't anybody think so? - One of my favorite posts to the jam was that one tittled "BURNING MY SOUL, WRENCHING MY GUTS"
Excuse my english and sorry for the 563.893.765.298.334.457.987.987,80th review of past albums.
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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 12:28:18 +0100 From: "Robert O'Doherty" <RODoherty@seagull.nl> To: "'Ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <Ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Geddy Lee ... Dixie Dregs Message-ID: <CBC8507A9BB1D011824700A0C92C7417EE827F@ns0007.seagull.nl>
Hi Guys,
How's Geddy these days? I heard he's in a new band (I don't know the name). Does anyone know anything of his new scene?
Does anyone out there NOT know Dixie Dregs??? If so, get into them - the music is pure stunning and DT's Metropolis 2000 Tour will be very special. I hope Dixie Dregs put out a Live Video following the tour.
Take Care,
Rob
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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:04:49 -0200 From: "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Down with the shred/ Forbidden fruit Message-ID: <199911260800405@randy_rhoads.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
>This is what I love about JP. He can do great solos like LITS and >Peruvian >Skies where it is all feeling and also shredding stuff like in Lie >and Fatal >Tragedy, and it's all relevant to the song. Not many guitarists have >that >kind of range to them. > -Mike
Couldn't agree more... JP is, IMO, the master at combining the right dose of shred and slow, emotional playing... He knows when to hold back, unlike most players who are as technically skilled as he is... Maybe that's what being as heavily influenced as he is by Steve Morse did to him... Steve's also amazing at that...
Anyway, I've just listened to Nothing Else Matters (S&M version) on the radio... Maybe because the original recording already had some orchestral stuff in it, it didn't sound bad at all... But I have to say James Hetfield's vocals were kinda of a let down for me... Does he sound that way in the whole album?
Later, Adriano
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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 17:37:51 +0100 From: Michael Pruchnicki <mlpruchnicki@computec.de> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Hamburg concert question Message-ID: <A1205194D0DAD2119B05006097B4030801E4B9@FILESERVER2>
OK, a friend of mine has been telling me that DT have actually played Ytsejam as part of the big medley encore (supposedly after A Fortune In Lies). While I have heard the Cologne gig and been there myself in Nuremberg and Munich (and did not hear any Ytsejam at all), I still can't be sure about that. After all, even without changing setlists, Cologne got more of Universal Mind than the cities after that!
So who can possibly tell me the truth? : )
- Mike
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Date: 26 Nov 1999 17:33:09 +0100 From: Jason.Breitweg@blind-guardian.com (Jason T. Breitweg) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Hamburg concert question Message-ID: <tkuso1t1ad6.fsf@zussun4.desy.de>
Mike> OK, a friend of mine has been telling me that DT have actually Mike> played Ytsejam as part of the big medley encore (supposedly Mike> after A Fortune In Lies). While I have heard the Cologne gig Mike> and been there myself in Nuremberg and Munich (and did not Mike> hear any Ytsejam at all), I still can't be sure about Mike> that. After all, even without changing setlists, Cologne got Mike> more of Universal Mind than the cities after that!
Your friend must have been something, I didn't hear any part of the Ytsejam at the Hamburg show. Of course I could have been on something as well and just missed it *grin*.
Jason
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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:57:34 -0800 (PST) From: Martin <newmln@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Dave's the man Message-ID: <19991126175734.24309.rocketmail@web1605.mail.yahoo.com>
>That anyone would even think of verbalizing a sentence >like the above is laughable. Dave Weckl has got an >incredible feeling in his playing, and to say that he >is cold is even more incomprehensible. Dave Weckl has >got close to flawless technique, and people like to >beat on guys with technique. Always the same story: >"He's got no feeling". This approach may be accurate >at times, but when talking about Dave I think you're >waaaaaaaaaay off. IMO of course.
I have both of his videos and also his Master Plan. I didn't say that he has got no feeling, but I think he has more technique than feeling. Sometimes he makes up a _great_ groove but sometimes it's just like a drummachine. Flawless, cold etc. :-)
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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:45:41 GMT From: "Simon Dodd" <sjdodd80@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Solo editing & Tori Amos Message-ID: <19991126184541.23718.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Just the mere mention of those solos give me the chills. I can't >think of >any of his playing in SFaM that gives me that feeling, True, in general; >but Finally Free, perchance? That one *kills* me! Also, I think the >acoustic intro to Home is fantastic (shame that after the first chorus it >kinda dies a bit, really). Also, I think that "The Spirit Carries On" a >little bit TOO long.
>except for parts of Overture 1928. As far as Jordan goes, he's got >some >killer shit, but he goes a little over the top on this album >himself. >(Like the intro to One Last Time). Ya. He does sort of slip into shred mode, doesn't he? I don't think it quite manages to detract from the song, I just wish he'd calm down slightly on occaision. Which brings me to...
>>>>I edited out all of JP's guitar solo in TOT, but kept Derek's keys >>>> >>>>solo AND YOU'D NEVER KNOW! I took out the whole second verse of >>>> >>>>TAMP, and YOU'D NEVER KNOW! The copy of FII that I have is thus >>> >>>I'm not sure if you mean that you can't tell John's solos from >>>Derek's >>>or if you mean cutting the solos doesn't detract from the >>>album. I'm >>>guessing the latter. To that, I have to completely >> >>No, no. I don't mean EITHER. What I mean is, my new version flows >>no >>less smoothly than the original; so you'd "never know" (assuming >>that >>you hadn't heard FII before) that anything had been fiddled out > >Oh. That sounds like "cutting the solos doesn't detract from the >album" >which is what I thought you meant. I guess I'm missing >something there. Let me explain, 'k? If you did a tape of TOT from a CD, and pressed pause on rthe tape through the solo, the drums would be out of sync, there'd a be a sqeal every time it went over the join. In short, you'd know it had been edited after the masters had been pressed. On pro-tools, you can edit it so that it sounds like that was exactly the way the song was recorded.
>>TOT is the only DT song where it just sounds like they thought >>"shit, >>we've got this song, and we need to get a solo in there > >Oh. Most songs that I hear have just a "solo section." A time when >the >vocalist takes a break and the guitarist solos. The solo is >usually over >the chorus but maybe the verse and the chorus. Just a >solo. Take it out >and you'd never know any difference. Exactly. To me, both solos could be jettisonned, and you could go direct from It's Raining to The Wasteland (although I'm thinking about changing the insert on my copy to say Trial of Tears - I) Deep in Heaven; II) The Wasteland - I just think "It's Raining" is a shit title!). Unlike, say, voices, or LItS, where the solo's integral, where it does something, they just seem to detract from the flow. Now, you may not agree, JP certainly won't agree (although Derek would probably feel the urge to be slightly smug that he got left in and JP didn't), although I suspect that the rest of the band probably would. But fortunately, I can now tweak it slightly; and since I'm not intending on selling it, that's no problem for the RC people.
>>I do like both the solos, but while I wanted to chop them both, >>Derek's >>solo segues into "The Wasteland", so I couldn't. > >See, this is where I get confused. You like the solos but you want to >take >them out. I don't get it. Maybe you're just having fun with your >new >software? Oh, definitely! :) Seriously, this is like I was saying a while ago about Liquid Dreams. I love almost everything JP has ever played, virtually down to the note. BUT, when he shuts up for a minute, and takes a backseat, then it can sometimes get magical. Now, LIVE, maybe it's cool to drop that solo into TOT, because most bands get more flash live. I suspect JP just gets bored strumming chords for too long. I know I do - when I used to do gigs that included Oasis numbers, it was just so boring that I wanted to play a guitar part rather than just strumming away / soloing.
>>As for TAMP, I just can't help but feeling it's more concise minus the >>second (rather superfluous, lets face it) verse. > >superfluous = "unnecessary; useless; excessive" I don't feel that way > >about any of the instrumental sections of any of DTs songs nor any of > >the instrumental pieces that they include on their albums. Wasn't your original point that you did?? Anyway, I don't mean the instrumental section, I mean - oddly enough - the second verse. It just strikes me as a repetition of the first, and doesn't add to the song. JIMO, remember. As for the bit starting "The final scene" through to the end of that solo...Wow. And that's the live AND studio version.
> >Subject: Tori Amos >Today I borrowed 2 Tori Amos albums from the library. >As I do not know much about her, I would like to know what do you think of >these two ones : >- Boys for Pele >- From the Choirgirl Hotel Pele's really, really good. Choirgirl's fantastic for the first half, but tails off rapidly by the end of Liquid Diamonds. My review will be on my site if you can wait until that opens on wednesday.
>that "Northern Lad" was about Robert Plant, but who >can be sure? Anyway, there ya go. I dunno, I'd have thought it would be about her husband.
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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:10:12 EST From: ClPuritan@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Nevermore's "Dreaming Neon Black" Message-ID: <0.6cacc04a.25703514@aol.com>
Although not prog, this cd is truly phenomenol. It is extremely heavy, and also rather technical. Plus it is a concept album to boot. Picture a heavier Rage for Order/Operaton Mindcrime era Queensryche. You must get this CD.
Mark
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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 13:44:06 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Machine Head? Message-ID: <19991126214406.25702.rocketmail@web125.yahoomail.com>
Any Machine Head fans out there?
Which is their best recording? The Burning Red, Burn My Eyes, or The More Things Change?
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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 17:37:54 -0200 From: Fernando Rauber <ferer@conex.com.br> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5209 Message-ID: <383EE192.D29F0C92@conex.com.br>
> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 20:44:26 +0100 > From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> > To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> > Subject: Progressive Festival!!! > Message-ID: <383D919A.6744037C@mol.com.mk> > > For those interested!!! I got this from prog music mailing list. > He-he, bands bame after song titles? :) 2112. Wasn't Tempus Fugit a Yes > song?
Talking about Tempus Fugit. It is a very good brazilian symphonic progressive rock band... Worth to check out!
[]s Fernando Rauber ICQ: 2281311 http://fast.to/frmp
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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:00:56 EST From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Nevermore Message-ID: <0.e446e3b4.25707938@aol.com>
>< Can anyone give me some info/insights on Nevermore's album, Dreaming Neon Black. This CD is available at one of my local record stores and I'm wondering if it is worth picking up. I've heard they're not really prog, but more of a melodic power metal, like Superior. Any opinions, comments? ><
Find an MP3 of them if you haven't heard them yet. then if you can stand the vocals, pick it up. the vocals are some of the worst vocals I've ever heard, I MO!!!
Jim
np - angra: angel's cry
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