YTSEJAM Digest 5209
Today's Topics:
1) Doen with the Shred
by Fett2002@aol.com
2) Re: Down with the shred
by Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
3) New DT bootleg?
by Vampyrized@aol.com
4) Re: another bass-question
by Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
5) Re: [teof] DT gig and an OT for GABRI!!!
by Martin <newmln@yahoo.com>
6) Re: SFaM
by Martin <newmln@yahoo.com>
7) HUH?
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
8) Re: Forbidden Fruit
by Fett2002@aol.com
9) LTE sales figures...
by "Mike Patrick" <mvpatrick@home.com>
10) YES in Concert
by "indii" <indii@vistatech.net>
11) Finally Free (to post my feelings on SFAM)!
by CoolCris26@aol.com
12) Nevermore
by Luke Bateup <lbateup@bond.edu.au>
13) RE: Nevermore
by "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
14) Dave's the man [was Re: SFaM]
by "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se>
15) RE: LTE sales figures...
by "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
16) PROGGERS READ THIS!!! Geez, where thus stuff comes from! ;(
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
17) Home sitar
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
18) Progressive Festival!!!
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
19) Crowd performance @ DT Shows
by "Charlie_Farrell" <Charlie_Farrell@email.msn.com>
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:21:40 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Doen with the Shred
Message-ID: <0.f321db22.256eca24@aol.com>
>True, but a solo doesn't have to have some major shredding in it...
>Specially the ones you mentioned in your post, they have SOME
>shredding in there, but they're mostly made out of heartfelt playing,
This is what I love about JP. He can do great solos like LITS and Peruvian
Skies where it is all feeling and also shredding stuff like in Lie and Fatal
Tragedy, and it's all relevant to the song. Not many guitarists have that
kind of range to them.
-Mike
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:07:56 +0100
From: Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Down with the shred
Message-ID: <383D6CEC.8D077A89@siol.net>
Our most frequently posting keyboard wrote:
>Hmmm? Never anything wrong with acoustishred! :) I just picked it up
>yesterday and am still in the "How the fuck do they do that?" stage.
You have heard Friday Night In San Francisco by DiMeAOL and guys? :)
You prolly have, but in case you haven't, you really oughta check
'em out!
Matej, who still worships this album :)
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:48:26 EST
From: Vampyrized@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: New DT bootleg?
Message-ID: <0.10fe9461.256ed06a@aol.com>
Does anyone out there have the new DT bootleg, Live at the Palladium, Koln,
Germany -- 11/14/99)?
i was just wondering since i saw it on LitS......
Nick
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:20:38 +0100
From: Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: another bass-question
Message-ID: <383D6FE6.D60F0B26@siol.net>
>Hay Matej Grginic,
>[Damn! How can you pronounce your name?:)))))))) Was it hard to learn?:)]
I guess I should be adding a disclaimer in my signature: DO NOT TRY TO
PRONOUNCE MY NAME, it may cause severe tongue injuries. :)
>>I also have a six string fretless and maaaaan :) As much as I love
>>the sound (that brooooom.. awesome!),
>
>Hay neighbor! How 'bout you and I ... oooor... I and you ... if I just went
>to see you on the weekend?:) If we are neighbors...:) I would have a try on
>that six string fretless stuff.;)
What instrument do you actually play? You'r from Hungary, right? Kinda
far to drive all the way here just for a jam, ay? :) But then again
jammers were never the rational bunch :)
>>I hate the fact that I always
>>have to look at my hands or slide up and down to get the pitch.
>Oooooh, pooor you. Let this be thine greatest problem in thine life.:)))
I used to play guitar and really got depressed and suicidal because
of the string breakage... That's me.. I don't give a fuck about the
hungry people in Somalia and wars and stuff.. but break my string and
I'll cry like a baby :)
>>Standard bass is way too convinient, all rookies, by all means start
>>with fretted!
>I think I could do without those frets, but I'm not sure... But if I was
>lucky enough to find the correct notes on the violin for 10 years, then
>some fretles stuff couldn't do any harm for me... I suppose.:)
Trust me, 6-string fretless IS different than violin :) I'm sure you
could pull something off with it, but to use it efficiently on stage,
that's another story!
Steve Bailey is GOD! Check out Bass Extremes video he did with VicWoot,
for some crazy, sick, beyond-real fretless work :)
Turn on the bass!
Matej
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:58:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Martin <newmln@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: [teof] DT gig and an OT for GABRI!!!
Message-ID: <19991125175808.4499.qmail@web1607.mail.yahoo.com>
>TILES, the special guests were AWFUL.
>I was goin' to throw up!!!!
>The sound of the guitar was bad, the guy had no
>presence
>on the stage (he watched always down)
>The drummer was quite good, but nothing special.
Yeah. The guitar played looked like Brad Pitt when
his family died. He was so sad... even when he tried
to smile it was like 'Through My Tears' :-))
Martin
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:15:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Martin <newmln@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: SFaM
Message-ID: <19991125181516.13152.rocketmail@web1605.mail.yahoo.com>
>Carter Beauford, Neil Peart, Dave Weckl...they're all
>immensely talented, but their playing seems a bit
>cold next to Mikey's. Terry Bozzio is a monster on
>the drums, but his playing has always struck me as
>very emotional, too. Just a thought.
Yeah I've been playing drums for 6 years and I know
what are you talking about. I think that Dave Weckl
has got an incredible technique, maybe 3-5 times
better
than Mike, but his playing is like you would hear drum
machine. It's so COLD... Mike's playing is really
explosive and he has a lot of feeling. I also think
sometimes the feeling is much more important than
32nd double-strokes in BMP 132. :-)
my $.02,
Martin
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:31:04 +0100
From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: HUH?
Message-ID: <v04210102b463267c535e@[192.168.1.1]>
>And why do Jordan's feet stink? More thoughts and
>more sarcasm.
I kissed his feet the whole evening two days ago, they don't stink.
Favorite guitar solo? Ok, post your top 10 guitar solos... (JUST
KIDDING, REALLY!)
Anyway, I think the LITS solo was one of JP's biggest moments,
because I think this was the first time he played a long, slow,
emotional solo *without* shredding it to pieces... ;-). Not that I
don't like shredding, stuff like the end solo in The Mirror/Lie, the
one in Trial Of Tears, and of course the long Acid Rain solo, just
rips.
But I think my favorite right now is this short lead in Metropolis
pt. 1 at 6:37--still giving me goosebumps after all these years!
Steffen
-- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@westend.com)------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:15:56 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Forbidden Fruit Message-ID: <0.8c8ae21.256ec8cc@aol.com>
S & M overall is very cool. The symphony works well but not with every song. Oddly enough, there are times when the orchestra actually drowns out the band! Devil's Dance for example. I'm thinking though that this may be due to the way the album is mixed. Also, at times it can be hard to follow everything that's going on as the orchestra adds another element to the songs. Lota of cool moments though.The intro to Battery sounds amazing! -Mike
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 15:00:04 -0500 From: "Mike Patrick" <mvpatrick@home.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: LTE sales figures... Message-ID: <002001bf377f$aa4cd700$6da20418@CT466024-A.nblvil1.in.home.com>
In a fit of temporary insanity, I was in a.m.d-t, and there were supposed sales numbers for both LTE releases:
LTE 1: 30k-ish LTE 2: 15k-ish
Now, I cannot speak to the accuracy of the numbers, but if true, THESE TOTALS SUCK.
What makes them even worse? I know, given the haunts I haunt, that a LOT of folks who bought one (or both) of the LTE albums would NEVER buy a DT release, sooo...that leaves that many MORE DT fans that passed on LTE. Wonderful.
Have you ever stood in line at a DT show (or other prog/prog-metal band) and said the words 'Shadow Gallery', 'S/X', 'Lemur Voice', 'Enchant', etc., etc., etc.? Aren't all those slack, blank looks you get in return simply stunning? Think everyone is online just like you? Think again. The demographics apparently aren't in favor of the bands we love...
How many DT fans don't even know there IS an LTE? More than we care to admit, I bet. Why the bands even bother after a while is beyond me...
Mike
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 15:22:40 -0500 From: "indii" <indii@vistatech.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: YES in Concert Message-ID: <000701bf3782$d3104c00$f083cbcf@indii>
Yes, is in concert on Direct TV from Nov. 25 through Nov. 28 on channel 103. It's a free concert so tune in a watch (i don't know how long it lasts). They are playing at the House of Blues, in SF IIRC.
some 70's some 80's and a lot from their new cd, "The Ladder".
indii
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 15:29:45 EST From: CoolCris26@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Finally Free (to post my feelings on SFAM)! Message-ID: <0.3b14f158.256ef639@aol.com>
Hello Ytsejammers, I have been reading posts now for almost 2 months now, and after about 30 or so listens I feel that it is time to post. First off, I was a little bored of FII after only 10 listens or with the exception of ToT and LITS. FII just didn't affect me like I&W and Awake. So here it is after 30 or so listens and SFAM still hasn't left my CD player. First off I want to say that it does not top I&W for me. But I would say that it gives Awake a run for its money for the 2 spot. (I know all you Awake fans out there will disagree with opinions.) Production: Dt's best ever just wish the bass were turned up a half a notch. More bassier than Awake though. Vocals: Jame's best performance. Lyrically, good: I think that of the current members JM writes the best lyrics, but i will conceed that MP and JP have written their best work. KM was the lyricist they ever had imho. Musically: this is the interesting part for me. I think that technically this album might be their best and even most challenging to play, but it doesn't exactly Sound the coolest imho. Example: while I love TDOE (phenomenal) I prefer the groove of ytsejam. Musically there's nothing on SFAM that I don't like. I just haven't found that one soug like on other albums: LTL, Voices/ Scarred, TOT. Home and FF have the most potential, but then again SFAM is one song. If I was stuck on a desert island with only one song to choose from met2 or acos would be it. Overall I give SFAM an A just like Awake. I&W gets the A+ despite the production and same with ACOS for that matter. FII was a solid B, but clearly a grade below these other albums. Funny thing is I thought that the DS influenced songs were the best on FII. Still I prefer JR. While I think that JR is a virtuoso and phenomenal, I still wonder if DT didn't have the best chemistry with KM. I think that one album more will help me decide on that. Great Job DT, my favorite band. Come back to philly and jersey. Finally, imho Three Minute Warning and WTWB are the 2 single greatest Prog instrumentals I've ever heard. I will be interested to see responses to this post if any. Sorry so long, but i usually just read and never post. Sincerely Chris
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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 08:18:21 +1000 From: Luke Bateup <lbateup@bond.edu.au> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Nevermore Message-ID: <383DB5AD.D922C1A8@bond.edu.au>
Hello,
Can anyone give me some info/insights on Nevermore's album, Dreaming Neon Black. This CD is available at one of my local record stores and I'm wondering if it is worth picking up. I've heard they're not really prog, but more of a melodic power metal, like Superior. Any opinions, comments?
Thanks,
-- LUKE BATEUP AV Services Bond University 55954020 lbateup@bond.edu.au
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 15:37:02 -0800 From: "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Nevermore Message-ID: <002901bf379d$faa56640$046400c0@oemcomputer>
> -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of > Luke Bateup > Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 2:36 PM > > Can anyone give me some info/insights on Nevermore's album, Dreaming > Neon Black. This CD is available at one of my local record stores and > I'm wondering if it is worth picking up. I've heard they're not really > prog, but more of a melodic power metal, like Superior. Any opinions, > comments?
Prog metal? Um, not really. Metal? Oh yes. "Dreaming Neon Black" is probably the best metal CD of 1999. Extremely powerful, very heavy, and yet varied enough that it's not repetitive like so many other metal bands. If you like metal, this is a disc to get. Practically worth the purchase price alone for "Poison God Machine", one of the best songs of 1999.
Dave Thomas - Editor, Pixel Planet Reviews of books, music, comics, movies, games, CG software, programming tools and more! http://www.pixelplanet.com
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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 01:03:36 +0100 From: "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Dave's the man [was Re: SFaM] Message-ID: <383DCE58.A14AB525@home.se>
Martin wrote:
> I think that Dave Weckl > has got an incredible technique, maybe 3-5 times > better than Mike, but his playing is like you would hear drum > machine. It's so COLD...
That anyone would even think of verbalizing a sentence like the above is laughable. Dave Weckl has got an incredible feeling in his playing, and to say that he is cold is even more incomprehensible. Dave Weckl has got close to flawless technique, and people like to beat on guys with technique. Always the same story: "He's got no feeling". This approach may be accurate at times, but when talking about Dave I think you're waaaaaaaaaay off. IMO of course.
Just a couple of cents from a big (but not biased) Weckl fanatic.
Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater S=E4llskapet [ http://sdts.cjb.net ] [ mailto:sdts@home.se ]
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 16:05:33 -0800 From: "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: LTE sales figures... Message-ID: <002a01bf37a1$f5f37a20$046400c0@oemcomputer>
> -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of > Mike Patrick > Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 12:09 PM > > In a fit of temporary insanity, I was in a.m.d-t, and there > were supposed > sales numbers for both LTE releases: > > LTE 1: 30k-ish > LTE 2: 15k-ish > > Now, I cannot speak to the accuracy of the numbers, but if true, THESE > TOTALS SUCK.
a.m.d-t (or alt.music.dream-theater, for those not familiar with Usenet news) is hardly a hotbed of accurate reporting. It's the sort of place where the facts should never get in the way of a good flame. That being said, these numbers might very well be accurate. After all, these discs (or any other Magna Carta release) hardly receive any promotion. Outside of this mailing list and related ones, certain Usenet newsgroups, and web sites like Perpetual Motion or Pixel Planet (shameless plug), where are you going to hear about CDs like this?
On the radio? Not in this dimension.
Reviews in the newspaper, in a large circulation magazine, or a mention on TV? Don't think so. The only time anything remotely prog related gets reviewed in the SF paper is so the "critic" can prove his superiority by making fun of it, then returning to multi-paragraphs of slobbering over this week's "alternative" darlings.
Perhaps people will buy CDs they never heard of in order to experience music they've never heard? Oh, I think I just hurt myself laughing at this prospect. I hardly ever buy a CD unless I know what I'm getting, and I'm far more musically adventurous than most of the people I know (people on this list excluded, of course, as most of us do like to take chances and hear new stuff). But as interested as I am in new music, I can't afford to spend $15 on CDs that I know nothing about (blame it on my massive webmaster salary). There's no way the average music consumer is going to do this.
While most of us spend a lot of time (perhaps too much time) on the internet, still a minority of the population is wired into it. And of those that are, a smaller segment yet are interested in seeking out information about music that they're not familiar with. Until I moved to SF, I knew exactly one person besides my wife that listened to the same style of music that I do. Everyone else I know listens to Top 40 or whatever they hear on the radio, and don't care if there's other stuff out there.
I like Magna Carta, but they seemingly have no promotional budget. Without promotion, you're not going to get people to check out these bands. But without the chance of radio play, you're not going to bother with the promotion. It's a vicious circle that will not change any time soon. I was shocked a few months ago to see LTE2 in one of the listening stations at a Borders. The little description card only mentioned Tony Levin's involvement, and then told people to listen to "Chewbacca" (in my opinion the worst LTE tune on either CD), so it's sort of a mixed blessing, I guess.
> Have you ever stood in line at a DT show (or other > prog/prog-metal band) and > said the words 'Shadow Gallery', 'S/X', 'Lemur Voice', > 'Enchant', etc., > etc., etc.? Aren't all those slack, blank looks you get in > return simply > stunning? Think everyone is online just like you? Think again. The > demographics apparently aren't in favor of the bands we love...
Oddly enough, people in line at DT shows and other shows are one of the few places I've found that you can mention a band like Enchant and actually have them know what you're talking about. Mentioning Shadow Gallery in the presence of some prog fans can cause fistfights, but that's a whole other story (I happen to like SG, but can understand why many people don't).
And the demographics are not there for the bands we love. Like it or not, prog, prog metal or whatever you want to call it will never be a mainstream genre. It could be a much larger genre than it is now if there was a larger outlet for it other than culling underground MP3 sites for obscure MP3s, or poking around with RadioSpy to attempt to find someone broadcasting something interesting. As long as major chains can buy almost as many radio stations as they want, pay millions of dollars for them, then sanitize and conform their playlists in order to maximize their return on investment as quickly as possible, things won't change. The day music hits the radio that hasn't been market researched, focus grouped and studied to death before it hits the airwaves will be a fresh day indeed.
> > How many DT fans don't even know there IS an LTE? More than > we care to > admit, I bet. Why the bands even bother after a while is beyond me...
Agreed. I don't know why a lot of bands do bother, other than the love of making music. That's the only reason I still bother to turn on my synths or plug in the guitar. I gave up the illusion of making money at music many years ago. I'm glad that other folks bother, since they keep me entertained while I'm driving around in my car, scaring people at stoplights with whatever's in the car changer at the moment (all part of my Prog Outreach Program).
The internet is probably keeping more bands alive than we give it credit for, though, and it can only get more powerful. I've gotten several emails from people that have come to my site to read about 3D stuff, browsed over to the music section, saw a band name that they thought broke up a long time ago (usually Marillion, though I've had Fates Warning and DT also mentioned to me), and decided to check out some MP3s on the web somewhere, which led them to buying some new CDs. Someone I met at a trade show last year told me how my site led him to discover Angra, Symphony X and a bunch of other bands that we know and love. I love discovering new music, and hopefully in some way I can in turn get some other folks into expanding their musical horizons too.
Dave Thomas - Editor, Pixel Planet Reviews of books, music, comics, movies, games, CG software, programming tools and more! http://www.pixelplanet.com
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:03:32 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: PROGGERS READ THIS!!! Geez, where thus stuff comes from! ;( Message-ID: <383D9614.5B2F6F46@mol.com.mk>
Again from the prog mailing list! Guys, this seems TOO interesting. Please write on the jam if you attend some of this stuff.=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------- a note from the folks at NY Jazz Guerrilla...
new york jazz guerrilla Festival @ Walker Stage (56 Walker St. near A/C/E, 1/2/3/9 and N/R Canal Street subway stations)
schedule Sat, 12/4 9pm Jacques Schwarzbart-James Hurt Group w/ Howard Britz & Elie Katz new york jazz guerrilla ALL-STARS w/ Torsten de Winkel, Steve Hass and others David Fiuczynski^=D2s JazzPunk w/ Matt Garrison & Elie Katz special guest Lian Amber
new york jazz guerrilla Festival @ Walker Stage schedule Sat, 12/11 9pm t.b.a. [possibly Ingrid Jensen Group, Ben Monder, Jill Seifers Group]
new york jazz guerrilla Festival @ Walker Stage schedule Sat, 12/18 9pm Mathisen-Sharifi Thang w/ Skuli Sverrisson Dave Gilmore Quartet w/ James Genus, Rodney Holmes, George Colligan Record Release Party: Jeff Gardner-Rick Margitza Quartet plays Paul Auster, w/ Anthony Pinciotti & John Hebert =20
the new york jazz guerrilla revolution: musicians for musicians
>From New Orleans to Coltrane, from Schumann to Trip Hop and beyond:=20 some of the world^=D2s most gifted young musicians, hailing from as many differen= t cultural as musical traditions, have joined forces to establish the new york jazz guerrilla international artist network to end the era of corporations controlling creative art. A collaborative effort of young masters, all of which have been featured in the groups of leading artists (Pat Metheny, Miles Davis, Joe Zawinul, John McLaughlin, and many others), the new york jazz guerrilla provides artists with a platform to present a broad scope of exciting and heartfelt music inspired by a multitude of contemporary styles and, foremost, true to the artists' vision.
"Aesthetics should not be a means to exclude and polarize, but to include and inspire", says guitarist and co-organizer Torsten de Winkel. In this spirit, new york jazz guerrilla music does not stand for or against any tradition, but promotes an enlightened pleasure principle, sets its own standard based merely on the artists^=D2 intuition. It will not conform to the narrow confines neither of the traditionalist nor the ^=D1avantgarde^=D2 camp - anything goes, provided it is authentic to the the artists. The substance of the proven meets and toys with the urgency of the new and yet illegitimate, representing the open-mindedness of a new generation of jazz musicians who grew up with the Beatles and Hip-Hop no less than with Trane and Bird or Bart=F3k - musicians who feel little urge to perpetuate hostility towards other stylistic 'camps' but instead embrace these for inspiration. --------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:32:15 -0500 (EST) ]From: Dark Aether Project News <info@DarkAether.net> Subject: Discipline/Dark Aether Project in Pittsburgh Dec 4th
The Pittsburgh Progressive Rock Series presents Discipline and The Dark Aether Project live in concert at Millvale Industrial Theater (http://mit.telerama.com/) located at 2100 East Ohio Street in Pittsburgh PA (Millvale area) on Saturday, December 4th 1999. Showtime is 8pm. Admission is $10 for this all ages show. See http://pprs.tsx.org/ for more details.
Discipline features Matthew Parmenter (Vocals/Keyboards/Guitar/Violin/ Saxophone), Matthew Kennedy (Bass), Brad Styes (Guitar) and Bob Young (Drums). In a review of their 1997 masterpiece _Unfolded Like Staircase_, Progression Magazine called it "Unbelievable! ...a progressive statement of epic proportions that rocks" and Belgium's Stage Magazine wrote "...an olympic Discipline...twenty years from now Unfolded Like Staircase will be seen as a milestone of the prog-revival. Heaven!" Their electrifying live performance style has been captured on their newly released live album _Discipline Live: Into the Dream_ recorded at 1996 and 1997 concerts at Baltimore's Orion Studios. See http://members.aol.com/strngout/ for more info on Discipline
The Dark Aether Project features Adam Levin (Warr 8 String Touch Guitar/Keyboards/Loops), Ray Weston (Vocals), Allen Brunelle (Drums/Percussion/Keyboards/Vocals) and Steev Geest (Guitar/Guitar Synth/Loops). Their music has been described as "..intense and blistering...amazing loops and shimmering textures that are at once haunting and dreamlike...worthy of attention." by Expose. The Dark Aether Project will perform in support of their latest album _Feed The Silence_ of which Progression writer Larry Nai writes: "Dark Aether Project hits a lot of progressive rock pleasure points with Feed the Silence, but make no mistake: this is not another derivative band with little new to say...this is an absolutely fabulous album." You'll also get a preview of brand new material in the works for their next CD. See http://www.DarkAether.Net/
Directions:=20
Approaching from anywhere in the East End of Pittsburgh or Downtown: Turn onto 40th St from Liberty, Penn or Butler Ave Cross the 40th St Bridge and then turn left on 28 South After about 500 feet turn right into the 2nd main driveway of the Millvale Industrial Park
Coming from 376 East or West (known to locals as "the Parkway"): Take the Grant St exit downtown - Grant merges with Liberty at the bus station Continue on Liberty till you turn on 40th, then follow directions above.
Approaching from the North Hills: Take 28 North to the Millvale exit Loop around and get back on 28 South After passing the 40th St Bridge, turn into the Industrial Park.
>From Route 8 or points Northeast (Blawnox, New Kensington etc): Get on 2= 8 South after passing the 40th St Bridge, turn into the Industrial Park
If you're taking a bus, all the "1" lines (1A, 1D, 1F, etc) run past the MIT on Route 28, stopping almost across the highway ------------------------------------------------------------------- JOHN PAUL JONES SOLO ALBUM
John Paul Jones: Zooma (1999; Discipline Global Mobile DGM 9909)
Summary of history: I was rather surprised by the fact that John Paul Jones (former bass/keyboard player of Led Zeppelin) was to release his first solo album. (What HAS he been doing all these years.) Even more surprised was I when I found out the release what to be on the Discipline label and hence of interest to my=20 homepage.
The album: What do you expect from someone like this? On a label such as this? Well,=20 you'd expect him to play bass and this is exactly how the title track starts out: this is some terrific, driving bassplaying with eerie keyboard sounds to boot. Then we move into heavy riffing rock. Groovy mayhem. Grind is not as one would expect it after Zooma. This is a mid tempo, rather melodic piece on the repetitive side. The bass work is quite low and the song features some sound samples. The overall feel to this music is somewhat like in industrial music. The Smile Of Your Shadow reminds me somewhat of Flow My Tears by Stuart Hamm. A very soothing piece, with some country influences, such as the use of a pedal lap steel and a mandolin. The heavy rock is back in Goose (probably cooked). In the short Bass 'n' Drums we get exactly what we deserve. B. Fingers is again a rocking track, with the melody played by the bass. The songs sounds a bit sparse at first, but then the guitar throws in some chords for good measure. Especially in the guitarwork, King Crimson is not far away. Snake Eyes brings blues with a dissonant difference and some strings by members of the London Symphony Orchestra. The riff itself it quite=20 repetitive, but the strings keep it interesting and the jamming organ playing also helps. Quite a longwinded track. The strings end the track melodically. Nosumi Blues is blues, but again a rather dissonant one. Tidal is the closer. Quite complex this one with off-beat rhythms and hard to follow. It still rocks and that is important. The song ends with an urgent, screeching guitar solo.
Conclusion: Some people will be hard put to call this prog, but I tend to think so. The songs are not overly long or complex, but the choice of instruments, the free structures and overall the rather jamming approach with some dissonance added make this an album that could be interesting to you. Lovers of=20 Led Zeppelin might think this album to be both too loud and too dissonant, but I think most will be able to enjoy it notwithstanding the occasional=20 loudness. Another reference I could think of ois King Crimson in the louder parts. Surprising is the large blues influence on this album and the use of=20 pedal lap steel.
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:18:50 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Home sitar Message-ID: <383D99AA.90595ACE@mol.com.mk>
> BTW, if anyone thought that the sitar was inappropriate in Home, > keep in mind that one of the main aspects of the > Hindu religion is reincarnation.
With no shame at all I will say that anyone saying the sitar stuff is out of place is ... WEIRD! How can someone even think of it?
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 20:44:26 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Progressive Festival!!! Message-ID: <383D919A.6744037C@mol.com.mk>
For those interested!!! I got this from prog music mailing list. ----------------------------------------------------------------
Progressive Festival
On December 3rd and 4th the first real international Progressive Rock Festival of Buenos Aires will take place. The festival is simply called Bs. As. Prog 1999
First day -Guitar Ensemble Of Buenos Aires -2112 -Anekdoten
Second day -Baalbek -Nexus -Tempus Fugit ----------------------------------------------------------------
He-he, bands bame after song titles? :) 2112. Wasn't Tempus Fugit a Yes song?
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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 01:48:25 -0000 From: "Charlie_Farrell" <Charlie_Farrell@email.msn.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Crowd performance @ DT Shows Message-ID: <014701bf37b0$55770b20$6888bc3e@farrell>
This is a bit late - but I'm still catching up with the Jam's I missed while I was away.
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:34:50 +0100 ]From: "Verhoef, Pieter-Joost" <Pieter-Joost.Verhoef@nl.origin-it.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Q: Crowd performance @ DT Shows
>On the Dutch DT-list we have had a discussion on the (lack of) >responsiveness from the concert-crowd. I was personally blown away >(positively) with the performance but in the same way (negatively) with >the lack of respons from the crowd. Maybe a handclap and some >singin-along, but definitely no 'roof shaking' performance on the part >of the crowd.
Yeah at Zwolle, all the guys round me were more interested in talking to their bloody mates and getting in more beer. I thought that concert audiences in the UK were bad for the lack of attention that they paid to the bands on stage, but the crowd at Zwolle was equally bad. The smaller crowd at Brussels the following night made more noise.
Have to agree that DT were pretty damned good tho.
>Is it always like that? Are people just too much involved in the >techniques of the players? Is it really that hard to jump around, let >alone MOVE, to his music? I'm considering going to a show in >Luxembourg to check it out personally.
Well personally I like to jump up and down (not too close to the stage tho) and sing (well try to sing), but when I'm surrounded by a lot of guys almost 2m tall, then I just have to concentrate on listening to the music - 'cos not being very tall and I can't see past these damn tall guys.
It was my third time seeing DT in Holland and the crowds have all been the same though in all fairness, Zwolle probably was the worst - although the venue (which doubles as an agricultural hall) didn't help.
>Other than that, the show was HUGE! It was my first concert, >but this blows away anything I have ever seen ANYBODY do >on stage. I still think there must have been a tape/minidisc >running along, cuz this stuff is UNREAL!
It was good, but the guys seem to have been getting better with every night.
>What is your experience: slow crowds, or jumping crowds >@ concerts?
Well I have to admit that the crowds seem to be warmer and more enthusiastic at the concerts I've seen in France and Belgium than those I've seen in the UK, Holland and Sweden. In my experience the audience in those countries comes for the music and not for the beer (not that there's anything wrong with having a few beers during a concert - its just I don't think it should be the main activity)
Charlie
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