YTSEJAM Digest 5208
Today's Topics:
1) No beef, Steve LaMonica!
by "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com>
2) Zen
by "Tom Feiner" <tfeiner@hotmail.com>
3) Threshold
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
4) Other bands
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
5) RE: Tori Amos
by David Dixon <davidd@iisweb.com>
6) Re: [Jens] Re:How many keys do I need?
by Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
7) Dregs and DT
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
8) slappin'/fretless
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
9) Re: DT mp3s
by "Zeusz dA ReAl V0CalISt" <zeusz@bigfoot.com>
10) Re: RH tapping
by "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
11) Re: Down with Shred.
by MTeiper@aol.com
12) Re: Dregs and DT and Tori Amos
by JamesAhab@aol.com
13) Re: Forbidden Fruit
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
14) Down with the shred
by "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
15) Re: Down with the shred
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
16) Re: Down with the shred
by Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5207
by AyameYuki@aol.com
18) Dream Theater in Munich
by rwarren1@midsouth.rr.com
19) Another Rush tribute? / Vai ticket for sale
by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersv.edu>
20) Re(2): [Jens] Re:How many keys do I need?
by "Nissinen Tommi"
21) SFaM
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
22) Re: DT mp3s
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
23)
by "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be>
24) Re:
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:58:56 EST
From: "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: No beef, Steve LaMonica!
Message-ID: <19991124195856.70854.qmail@hotmail.com>
>I am not familiar with Atheist, so I cannot make a judgement on their
> >drummers. As for the other two drummers....Sean Reinert and
> >Chambers....I am not familiar with their work either....thus I would
> >lose even more credibility if I had mentioned them blindly. There >are a
>ton of drummers that I could have mentioned, Bonham, >Castronovo, Appice
>just to name a few, but I the five I chose are the >ones that I stick by.
>Each has their own unique style and have
>amazing techniques in their own right. Had I been familiar with the
> >drummers that would have made me more "credible" then maybe I >would've
>included them on my list, but I refuse to acknowledge a >musician when I am
>not familiar with their work.
Oh okay ... if you're not familiar with them, then I can understand. :)
Chad Wackermann is another really good drummer .. he's on Holdsworth's
video. :)
Anyways you mentioned some good drummers there, I was just surprised that
you didn't mention Reinert... have you listened to Cynic or Gordian Knot?
He's on there...
But I didn't make that post as a flame, it was a joke, really. :) I still
value your opinion.
Jeff
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:40:18 PST
From: "Tom Feiner" <tfeiner@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Zen
Message-ID: <19991124204018.9061.qmail@hotmail.com>
Do any of you hear the Band Zen?
It's an amazing progressive band from Italy (they sing in English).
I have only on album, that's called "Gaze into the Light".
Does anybody know if they have other albums?
-Tom Feiner
tfeiner@yifan.net
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:56:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Cc: themirror@egroups.com
Subject: Threshold
Message-ID: <19991124215649.9010.rocketmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com>
Hi folks !
I've been listening to their Clone CD for a couple of months occasionally, and
I must admit, it's a wonderful album. Emotional, clever, moody, deep...I could
go on for so long. Now I was just wondering, I know they have put out more
albums, don't really care to check out how many right now (nor the names), but
whenever there's a chance of getting their other stuff, I'm going to, I'd just
want to hear some reviews anyway in beforehand. Would someone be so kind to
point one or two for me, or better yet, give your own opinion of 'em ? Thanks
in advance.
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:26:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Cc: themirror@egroups.com
Subject: Other bands
Message-ID: <19991124222656.13287.rocketmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com>
Hi again, I'm sorry, I know I could have included these ramblings into that
previous post, but stupid of me, I sent it way too soon...(yes it's me who
recently argued about such deeds ;)
Anyway, I must ask the same question for Elegy listeners as I did for
Threshold. I bought Manifestation of Fear after I listened to State of Mind,
and am now yearning for more. But are the other albums in the same caliber ?
Last, does anyone know what Angra is up to, if anything ? I have Holy Land,
Holy Live, Fireworks, that EP, the name of which escapes me at the moment, and
like 'em all a lot. I'm really looking forward to hear something from them.
Again, sorry for fillin' the jam...
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Janne Jokitalo
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Jyväskylä University: jajokita@st.jyu.fi
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:16:36 -0700
From: David Dixon <davidd@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Tori Amos
Message-ID: <A65ADB6BE999D3118F650008C7E61752117962@MESSAGING>
> Today I borrowed 2 Tori Amos albums from the library.
> As I do not know much about her, I would like to know what do you think of
> these two ones :
> - Boys for Pele
> - From the Choirgirl Hotel
Both of these albums kick serious ass, though Choirgirl pales in comparison
to Boys for Pele. BfP is her most adventurous album to date, and I think
her best...
David Dixon, MCP
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:12:16 -0500
From: Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: [Jens] Re:How many keys do I need?
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991124111216.006a44e8@popserver.panix.com>
On 03:54 1999/11/23 -0800, you wrote:
> Maybe you could tell little about your equipment Jens, if you read this
DX7, 1080, dist box.
(you did say little!! :) )
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 00:23:33 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Dregs and DT Message-ID: <383C7375.239E7DBD@mol.com.mk>
Guy, PLEASE tell me that the FULL European tour will also include Dregs!!! :( It's not fair otherwise! ;(
And what is that talk about a third band, namely also a big name?
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:52:49 PST From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: slappin'/fretless Message-ID: <19991124235250.76928.qmail@hotmail.com>
I'm pretty sure there's only one bass track on THE. It does sound kinda like slap bass, but I think that's probably just an illusion created by the drums, slightly envelope-filterd bass, and piano(?) all accenting the same beat. Also, you'll notice that when you hear JM playing one of those cool upper-register fretless noodlings, the aforementioned beat contains no bass. The synth horn solo and the fake sitar part don't bug me as much anymore, btw. Also, who said that player pianos were the music of 1928? That player piano part (which I LOVE, btw) is more of a honky-tonk/ragtime thing. As great as it is, I don't think it's symbolic of 1928. Oh well. I just noticed the other day how cool FF is. "Feeling good this friday afternoon" is so....FUNKY! I'll shut up now. -Banjoman np: SFAM - scene 9 ______________________________________________________________________ Nowhere is now here - Col. Bruce Hampton, Ret. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 01:01:12 +0100 From: "Zeusz dA ReAl V0CalISt" <zeusz@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: DT mp3s Message-ID: <199911250101120260.005DFADA@post.hem.hu>
>> Anyway, hopefully the wanker who stole my discman will listen to the CD, >> realise what he >>has been missing in life and kill himself. >[...]Too bad he does not have the liner notes >and lyrics. ;-)
Ohyeah. That reminds me of a song.:)
"Go out and finf the girl"... eeer ... I mean the guy or the lifter:)
Joe Cocker rules.:)
Bye
ZZZZZ mailto:zeusz@bigfoot.com UIN:7315852 HP:http://RS.irisz.hu/zeusz
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:01:06 -0500 From: "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: RH tapping Message-ID: <199911241657473@ytsejam11.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
<<> From: "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com> > > It's definately cool to see Holdsworth run around the > fretboard like he does... I thought he did more fret-board > tapping.
Alan might be one of the first to use this technique, and also that speedy left hand soloing without picking.>>>
actually, the earliest use of it in rock music I can think of is by ex Genesis guitarist Steve Hackett. He was doing it in on their material from 1971! Just listen to songs like Return of the Giant Hogweed, Suppers Ready, and Danceing With the Moonlit Knight. Theres many RH tapping examples in those songs.
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:07:50 EST From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Down with Shred. Message-ID: <0.6ed3dc92.256de5e6@aol.com>
In a message dated 11/24/1999 2:40:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, the Almighty Korgster writes:
<< I dunno. IMO, it's MUCH harder to convey emotion through shred. I think that's why alot of SFaM doesn't strike me as much like their older albums. My favorite JP solos stem from Scarred, Learning to Live, and probably my most favorite is in Lines in the Sand. Those solos simply BLEED emotion. Just the mere mention of those solos give me the chills. I can't think of any of his playing in SFaM that gives me that feeling, except for parts of Overture 1928. >>
In regards to solos in general, I gotta agree with you on this one, Korgy. My fave solos from JP are definitely the slower ones... Scarred, LITS, the end solo in concert to Take the Time, the ending solo to A Vision, etc. I certainly don't mind a little shred now and then, but I can't say that the shred solos really do it for me. (I said "do it", huh huh huh)
HOWEVER, I must disagree with you about the lack of emotional solos on SFAM. Yep, there is a great one in Overture 1928. But what about "The Spirit Carries On"??? I must say that is one of the most intense and chilling guitar solos I've ever heard. And there's another gem in "Finally Free" too... ya know the one, after "We Faaade Awaaaaay!" :-)
JP's ability to send chills down your spine during the non-shred stuff is why I'm PRAYING for a solo album by him someday. His work on "Lost Without You" and "Slow Motion" is simply breathtaking. And I have a recording of some guitar clinic he did in 1995 which has one of his most incredible guitar pieces ever... wish to hell I knew the title of that one!
Oh yeah, and if you want to check out some more of JP's guitar work that bleeds emotion, check out his contributions to "Purple Rain" on the "Guitar Battle" CD. Actually, everyone's contribution to that song on the album is nothing short of amazing. Definitely worth the price of the CD alone, right there!!
Gotta run... Happy Turkey Day, Jammers!!
- Matt T.
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:20:45 EST From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Dregs and DT and Tori Amos Message-ID: <0.e2dca41.256de8ed@aol.com>
>< Guy, PLEASE tell me that the FULL European tour will also include Dregs!!! :( It's not fair otherwise! ;(
And what is that talk about a third band, namely also a big name? ><
It was supposed to be Spock's Beard, which would be one of my dream concerts - DT and SB - but their schedules may not allow it, so DT may have to get another band. Who knows at this point.
>< Hi jammers! Today I borrowed 2 Tori Amos albums from the library. As I do not know much about her, I would like to know what do you think of these two ones : - Boys for Pele - From the Choirgirl Hotel ><
Choirgirl is one of my faves. IMO, she'll never do a better album than Little Earthquakes, a classic, but Choirgirl would definitely be 2nd in my book. I have all of her studio albums and Pele is my least favorite. It was definitely more original than her latest release, but it has some very weak songs IMO. It has some great songs, too, and it's very adventurous, but a little adventurous. I especially can't stand the song "Blood Roses." Whenever I hear the vocals, I wanna break something. I thought she tried to do some really different and crazy things and it back-fired. Some of the pictures are even weirder than the music. How this became her breakthrough album (breakthrough to the mainstream) is beyond me since it's her least-accessible album.
Jim
np - dishwalla: pet your friends
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:40:46 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Forbidden Fruit Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.9911242034050.147164-100000@archa15.cc.uga.edu>
S&M is great. No Leaf Clover and -Human are awesome, but I've had those for a while. The Thing That Should Not Be is the best version of that song I have *ever* heard; it even blows the album version away, IMO. Absolutely mindboggling. Of course, the video is cooler than just the album. The end of One was horrendously intense...the first time I saw it, I could barely breathe by the end. Literally. Between the band, the orchestra, the lights, and the rapid-fire editing of the video, it was really something else. Of course Ktulu was mesmerizing. The Outlaw Torn sounded as huge, grand, and epic as I hoped it would. Many, many chills over the course of the recording. Metallica rules.
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:45:02 -0200 From: "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Down with the shred Message-ID: <199911241740503@randy_rhoads.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
>>bother's me. When a great player plays a heart >>felt solo and puts his soul into it, it adds so > >I dunno. IMO, it's MUCH harder to convey emotion through shred.
True, but a solo doesn't have to have some major shredding in it... Specially the ones you mentioned in your post, they have SOME shredding in there, but they're mostly made out of heartfelt playing, like the first post says... TSM, for instance... It is a good song, IMO, but JP's solo adds a nice touch to it... Actually, I agree with that post... A good solo can do SO much for a song, IMHO... The example he uses is just perfect... Voices is an amazing song, my favorite song on Awake, and JP's solo makes it even better, couldn't explain why, it just blows me away... Another one I can think of right now is Mr. Crowley... Man, what a confusing post...
>As far as Jordan goes, he's got some killer shit, but he >goes a little over the top on this album himself. (Like the intro >to One >Last Time).
Yeah, he could've held back a bit there... He actually said somewhere, don't know where I read this, that he has problems slowing his playing down... Sure, he plays some amazing stuff, but it'd be nice if, once in a while, he played 5 notes instead of playing 20...
Hey Korg, I was wondering... How can you listen to the Guitar Trio and not like JP's and JR's shredding? :-)
Later, Adriano
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:06:46 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Down with the shred Message-ID: <001f01bf36e9$be5fea20$520d84d0@safelink.net>
> Hey Korg, I was wondering... How can you listen to the Guitar Trio > and not like JP's and JR's shredding? :-)
Hmmm? Never anything wrong with acoustishred! :) I just picked it up yesterday and am still in the "How the fuck do they do that?" stage. It'll wear off eventually and this CD won't be as good as it used to seem. :P Trust me. I've gone through the same phase over and over with every Joe Satriani album I own. (which is all of them now, i think). :) I think I'll end up finding Michael Hedges, Billy McLaughlin, or Chris and Johnny's acoustic stuff more appealling in the long run. heheheh. Steady on like the honkers, chevron formation and all that.
Boo Yah. -- KorgX3 is turning pussy. Goin' mainstream. Happens to the best... NP: Saigon Kick - Devil in the Details
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:35:19 -0500 From: Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Down with the shred Message-ID: <383CAE77.CD7F9380@yunque.net>
Korg Ecksthrey wrote:
> Hmmm? Never anything wrong with acoustishred! :) I just picked it up > yesterday and am still in the "How the fuck do they do that?" stage. It'll > wear off eventually and this CD won't be as good as it used to seem. :P > Trust me. I've gone through the same phase over and over with every Joe > Satriani album I own. (which is all of them now, i think). :) I think I'll > end up finding Michael Hedges, Billy McLaughlin, or Chris and Johnny's > acoustic stuff more appealling in the long run. heheheh. Steady on like > the honkers, chevron formation and all that.
Which guitar trio album did you get? the last one? I can asure you , you wont *lose* that awe your feeling now....that albumhas continued to grow and grow on me over the last couple of years..
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:38:48 EST From: AyameYuki@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5207 Message-ID: <0.5cfd7fdd.256dfb38@aol.com>
In a message dated 11/24/99 1:40:25 PM Central Standard Time,=20 ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< nicole, pikachu is one character of that Pok=E9mon (pocketmonster) toy movement whi= ch=20 is mighty popular with US 6-14 year-olds. pikachu is yellow and his 'move'=20 is to electrocute his opponents. Hope that helps, seb >>
well hey seb, im from the US?!? Wow. but thanks for the info, really. ive=20 seen the little pikachu thing, but up to age 14? i did not know that. my sol= e=20 purpose of seeing hte movie just involves the theme song. but hey, at least=20 its not DragonballZ.
later
nicole
that chick from big bama.=20
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:55:56 -0600 From: rwarren1@midsouth.rr.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, dat-heads@datheads.phish.net Subject: Dream Theater in Munich Message-ID: <3.0.32.19991124215555.00865a30@mail.midsouth.rr.com>
I recorded the 18 Nov 1999 Dream Theater show in Munich, Germany. Anyone interested in trading for it please contact me.
I am interested in DAT trades initially. I will be putting the show onto 2 CDRs in the next week so I can trade CDRs too. I will consider video and rare analog as well.
I am looking for a DAT copy of the Dream Theater 1996 show at Birch Hill in particular. I am also interested obtaining the recent European Dream Theater shows.
Thanks,
Richard
e-mail: rwarren1@midsouth.rr.com www: http://home.midsouth.rr.com/rwarren
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:04:23 -0500 From: WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersv.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Another Rush tribute? / Vai ticket for sale Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991124225728.00c0f9f0@cs.millersv.edu>
I was flipping through a recent edition of the BMG catalog/mag and I noticed it had a tribute to Rush entitled "Red Star" listed. Here's the description they gave:
"The power-trio's songbook, covered by underground bands. Tom Sawyer, Freewill and others. 1999 Dwell"
No bands listed. Anybody out there heard this thing? If so, what's the verdict: love or shove?
On an unrelated (?) note, I've got a ticket for sale, a ticket to see Steve Vai in Philly this Friday (11/26). Make me an offer if you're so inclined.
'Sall for now.
Brian
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Date: 25 Nov 1999 06:49:00 +0300 From: "Nissinen Tommi" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re(2): [Jens] Re:How many keys do I need? Message-ID: <JA8AAAAAAF+DkgABYQADbpMOAcxU@kesko.fi>
Thanks Jens!
Can=B4t wait Stratovarius=B4 and Mastermind=B4s next album. (BTW,The Last= Viking was amazing.)
-Tommi Nissinen
Jens Johansson (25.11.1999 2:30):
>DX7, 1080, dist box. > >(you did say little!! :) ) > > > > > >--- >Jens. (offline) <jens@panix.com> (http://www.panix.com/~jens/) >
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 01:30:12 -0500 From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: SFaM Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991125013012.007b0960@pop.gl.umbc.edu>
>>bother's me. When a great player plays a heart >>felt solo and puts his soul into it, it adds so > >I dunno. IMO, it's MUCH harder to convey emotion through shred. I think >that's why alot of SFaM doesn't strike me as much like their older albums.
Agreed. You need melodies. At least, *I* need melodies. I know all the fast notes are actually melodies, but you need to just dig into the occasional note and just let it SING to have a truly heart-rending solo passage.
>My favorite JP solos stem from Scarred, Learning to Live, and probably my >most favorite is in Lines in the Sand. Those solos simply BLEED emotion. >Just the mere mention of those solos give me the chills. I can't think of >any of his playing in SFaM that gives me that feeling, except for parts of >Overture 1928.
Yeah. I love the Scarred solos and the Voices solo because he is playing with such taste and emotion...letting it build and build...and just when it gets as high as it can get, he opens the floodgates and lets it rip. In the LTE camp, the middle solo of "When the Water Breaks" ranks among JP's finest recorded moments, if not THE finest. From FII, I really dig the solo in TAMP. Good melodies, soulfully played, but not without a healthy dose of tasty alternate-picking. Oh, and Peruvian Skies.
The best thing about the aforementioned JP solos is that they have a good balance of shred and lyricism. CONTRAST is the key. VARIETY. I don't find slow playing to be very meaningful if the player cannot rip it up wen the moment calls for it (David Gilmour), and I don't give a shit about shred if the guy can't dig in and play a melody (Mike Romeo). This is why players like JP, along with Chris DeGarmo, Joe Satriani, Steve Morse, Jason Becker and others that I can't think of right now, will always be better than the prog grandfathers and the Magna Carta wetbacks alike.
The Lines in the Sand solo makes me cry. Perfect guitar playing. Without pretension or self-consciouness. It took guts to play that solo; the same kind of guts it would take to get up in front of a million people and tell your deepest darkest secret. Or to weep. That kind of soul-baring separates the real musicians from the scale-happy fanatics as well as the freak-of-the-week (or should I say, "freak on a leash"?), no-talent wastes-of-airtime.
The closest JP gets to this kind of playing on this album is in Finally Free. (The Spirit Carries On doesn't quite do it for me.) The way he plays the solo right before "...as their bodies lie still..." is the JP I know and love. What I REALLY love is the part JP plays under James's singing at that point. If you don't know what I'm talking about, make a point to listen to that part specifically. You'll be glad you did. However, there aren't enough momets like this on the CD, IMO. Mostly just notes all over the place. I hope this isn't Jordan's bad influence.
>As far as Jordan goes, he's got some killer shit, but he >goes a little over the top on this album himself. (Like the intro to One >Last Time).
I agree completely. There are a couple places in the "Home" solo where Jordan plays some notes a little longer than a 64th note, and he sounds great. It's a pity he can't do this more often. You'll never hear me say that JR isn't talented - I'm certain that he's the best technical keyboardist in the world. No doubt. He just needs some help in the taste department. Jordan could benefit by listening to some David Gilmour.
>Be all, end all... If it weren't for James and the concept, this album >wouldn't even rank for me. :\ Ah, well.
I do think James is the best part of this album. (Hey, I'm a singer!) What a performance! I love the concept, too. If there were ever a concept that totally lends itself to the idea of recurring musical themes, reincarnation is it. (BTW, if anyone thought that the sitar was inappropriate in Home, keep in mind that one of the main aspects of the Hindu religion is reincarnation.)
Something that just occurred to me today was how emotional Mike Portnoy's playing is. Check out the second chorus of Home. Even though I know there are better technical drummers out there, I never really thought of any drummer as playing from the heart as much as Mike. Carter Beauford, Neil Peart, Dave Weckyl...they're all immensely talented, but their playing seems a bit cold next to Mikey's. Terry Bozzio is a monster on the drums, but his playing has always struck me as very emotional, too. Just a thought.
Steve Z
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 06:40:32 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: DT mp3s Message-ID: <383D2E40.34A9EDD9@isd.net>
>>Anyway, hopefully the wanker who stole my discman will listen to the CD, >>realise what he has been missing in life and kill himself. >>Thanks.
Andreas Schwartmann wrote: >I guess this guy will be most happy about what he actually stole: he got a >fabulous piece of music for free. Too bad he does not have the liner notes >and lyrics. ;-)
This is what I visualized: Some baggy pants wielding urban slime stole your shit... When he/she (to be fair:) returned home (crack house) and hit play, "Regression" started... "Tic Toc" Now their head has that dog-heard-a-funny- noise tilt... The introduction of the guitar makes them frown, yet they continue listening.. James opens his mouth.. They hit STOP. The disc is removed from YOUR discman and sent out the window like a frisbee.. The disc strikes some dude in the face as he's trying to take a hit off his crack pipe. The pipe falls to the
ground and shatters.. The disturbed man walks in the house, busts out his "9" and proceeds to drill a hole in the forehead of the person that threw the disc. AND IT'S YOUR FAULT! He's the victim..
Oh yeah.. I better not forget one of these: :) -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You come into the world headfirst. You go out feet first. Everything in between is a matter of balance.
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:29:38 +0100 From: "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Message-ID: <F999CB08F9C7D21195E30008C70D3506CC4443@julia.um.be>
>> <But the biggest question is... Is Jordan gay? :) >> <He can't be a successful replacement for Derek if he's not, can he? >>=20 >> And who said Derek is ??? >> And who said it matters ??? >>=20 >> Just a thought ..
>And who says there was no sarcasm ??? > >Just thinking ..
Sarcasm ? Where is the sarcasm and why could/should/would there be sarcasm ???
Just another thought.
HeinV
NP: I took WDADU out of the cupboard, and it rocks sooooooooooooooooooooo fine ! I really rediscovered it.
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:11:51 -0800 (PST) From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Message-ID: <19991125161151.18769.rocketmail@web507.yahoomail.com>
> >And who says there was no sarcasm ??? > > > >Just thinking .. > > Sarcasm ? Where is the sarcasm and why > could/should/would there be sarcasm > ??? > > Just another thought.
And why do Jordan's feet stink? More thoughts and more sarcasm.
===== *Trent
"There's colors on the street. Red, white & blue. People shuffeling their feet. People sleeping in their shoes. There's a warning sign on the road ahead. There's a lot of people thinking we'd be better off dead. Don't feel like Satan, but I am to them. So I try to forget them anyway I can." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com
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