YTSEJAM Digest 5191
Today's Topics:
1) Interval Music between Tiles & DT
by "Charlie_Farrell" <Charlie_Farrell@email.msn.com>
2) fred durst pissed in my wheaties!
by Greg Kristianson <gkristia@ucalgary.ca>
3) Re: Cologne - A full review
by Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
4) Re: Control Denied
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
5) SFAM Re: Hell's Kitchen
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
6) no holds barred radio
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
7) Re: Beatles/Floyd
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
8) Alder Want For Christmas is My Two Front Teeth (Marginal, Tangental
by MusicSnob@aol.com
9) various Ramblings (blah blah blah)
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
10) Re: Xanadu Records URL???
by MTeiper@aol.com
11) No anti-Pink Floyd content in this post!
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5188-remove
by Lordbast@aol.com
13) Influences of NKOTB and the rest garbage
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
14) PF
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5190
by Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net>
16) Re: PF
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
17) imp. facts
by MyrBones@aol.com
18) Do you really think you're convincing anybody?
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
19) Re: various Ramblings (blah blah blah)
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:55:32 -0000
From: "Charlie_Farrell" <Charlie_Farrell@email.msn.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Interval Music between Tiles & DT
Message-ID: <000b01bf3085$b25baf80$6585bc3e@farrell>
>Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:36:32 +0100
>From: Marc van der Wal <M.R.van.der.Wal@cable.a2000.nl>
>> In the 25 min break after Tiles, some instrumental musis has veen played
through the PA.
>> Ever one has asked: "What is this" ! I MEAN ARE YOU PROG MUSIC FAN OR
ONLY A METAL HEAD.
>> THE INSTRUMENTAL SONGS ARE FROM "THE FLOWER KINGS". Check them out.
>I don't think they played Flower Kings songs in Zwolle. The instrumental
>music people mentioned sounded really weird. It was unlike any progband.
>It was more like the sort of music they play at a cartoon, or something.
Some of us wondered whether it was LTE II outtakes - since there was
no guitar present - just keys, bass and drums.
Didn't sound like cartoon music to me.
Charlie
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:53:23 -0700 (MST)
From: Greg Kristianson <gkristia@ucalgary.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: fred durst pissed in my wheaties!
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.9911161527410.96226-100000@acs6.acs.ucalgary.ca>
I don't think I need to mention the fact that in the beginning,
Limp Bizkit's record company *paid* radio stations to play "Faith",
the music industry's equivalent to those Eric Estrada infomercials you see
on the tele at 3 am. I really don't give a rat's ass who the better
vocalist is; if Fred Durst wants to (ahem) sing or (ahem) rap like some
tough-ass white boy whose eaten too much cheese then that's his
perogative; everyone has the right to suck if they want to. Having said
that there is much to be said for *artistic integrity* which DT has an
infinitely greater amount of than Mr. Durst & co.
Grp
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:55:02 +0100
From: Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Cologne - A full review
Message-ID: <v04210103b45780f46adc@[192.168.1.1]>
Hi there,
just read Arash's review.
>The venue : A hall called "Palladium". This place has been build in 1998.
Not quite, it's an old factory hall that has been turned into a
concert hall about a year ago. About mid-size, maybe room for 3500
people on the floor.
>Any way, the wall was almost packed with 3000-4000 people I guess.
Good guess! :-)
>In the 25 min break after Tiles, some instrumental musis has veen
>played through the PA.
>Ever one has asked: "What is this" ! I MEAN ARE YOU PROG MUSIC FAN
>OR ONLY A METAL HEAD.
>THE INSTRUMENTAL SONGS ARE FROM "THE FLOWER KINGS". Check them out.
>It's funny, if they would play old Iron Maiden or Manowar I couldn't recall it
>but when they play PROG I'm the man :-)))
Well, then you probably wouldn't have recognized the music in
Hamburg/Hannover. Played lots of Slayer there ;-)
>Anyway, before DT came on stage, a beutiful keyboard / Piano intro was played.
>I think it's a Jordan Rudess composition.
Not quite again, it's the Twin Peaks theme once again.
>His Keyboard solo is from another world. Awesome, Awesome.
I agree 150%! Breaking every notes-per-minute record while still
showing lots of style and feeling. Love it!
>The best place was where the guys from the German Fan club stood.
>In a ballcon over the hall. LIKE THE ROYAL FAMALY :-)
YES FOLKS! But most of the people you saw up there were TOD/DTIFC
staff and some more or less handicapped people like one blind girl
and a guy with a broken leg. It was not like we occupied the whole
balcony or something!
Marc van der Wal:
>I don't think they played Flower Kings songs in Zwolle. The instrumental
>music people mentioned sounded really weird. It was unlike any progband.
>It was more like the sort of music they play at a cartoon, or something.
Yes, indeed, I know what you mean. Mr. Bungle? Haven't heard anything
from them since their first album years ago. All I remember now is
that this album was produced by John Zorn, and what I heard at the
shows in fact sounded a lot like Zorn... Hysterical...!
MP:
>It is very early in the tour cycle for us, and we are just starting to get
>used to the new line-up and new material (and new crew)....
It's more like 'old crew revisited', isn't it? Anyway, nice to see
you starting a tour here in Europe once again. Can't wait till next
week. CU!
Steffen
-- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@dtifc.com) THE MIRROR - German Dream Theater Fan Club (http://www.dtifc.com/themirror)------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:02:54 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Control Denied Message-ID: <009001bf3086$b788a5c0$702010ac@clemson.edu>
]From: Benjamin James Gateno <bg003i@mail.rochester.edu> Subject: Control Denied
> Does anybody here from over-seas have the new, and only, Control Denied? > Any reviews? Thanks
we should be getting it at my radio station tomorrow. i can have a review up soon after that if anyone's interested.
]From: <JamesAhab@aol.com> Subject: OT: what the hell does `(sic)` mean?
> just curious
it means "i am quoting this word for word, that mistake was there already, i didnt make it when quoting". moo.
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:04:13 -0600 From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: SFAM Re: Hell's Kitchen Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991116170413.0083bb50@umav04.udem.edu.mx>
I may be wrong but I think I hear parts of erotomania, the mirror and hell's kitchen on SFAM, are there segments of other songs apart from Metropolis 1 on the album or am I mixing the stuff?
At 12:49 PM 11/11/99 -0800, Bunny1682@aol.com wrote: > >I'd have to second that idea that Hell's Kitchen is a great song. >I guess that's my not-so-subtle hint, based on the concept that numbers will >mean something. Maybe DT will consider playing this song live for the tour... > >
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Alan Estrada Adler, ICQ #9267174 Monterrey, Mexico --------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:21:47 -0800 (PST) From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Beatles/Floyd Message-ID: <19991116232147.5258.rocketmail@web504.yahoomail.com>
--- "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com> wrote: > >I think I'll volunteer to be the moron on this one. >I understand that the Beatles had a major impact on >music, and I respect their contribution....But, IMHO,
>the "Beatles sucks [sic] and Abbey Road is [a] crappy
>album." Of course, I'd normally be more diplomatic >about it, but you all heard him, he double dared >me! :) Anyway, like I said, I respect their >contributions to music, but I find most of their >stuff unlistenable. In fact the only time I've >enjoyed their songs is when someone else was covering
>them. Hmmmmm... I guess that would imply that they >were, to me, good composers/song writers, but not >good musicians....
I thought the Beatles were good songwriters, but sometimes they just couldn't put a song together and make it sound worth a damn. I'm sure that Sgt. Pepper was a great album by 1960's standards, but I just can't sit thru some of that crap. "Within You Without You" is a great song, definitley a feather in the Beatles cap, but beyond that there's really not much else on that album. The White Album and Abbey Road were a definite step up, but nothing really big. The Beatles were entertaining sometimes I guess, but most of their stuff leaves me cold.
>As for Pink Floyd, I think I just got tired of >hearing them 87 times a day on the radio....
10-4 that. If I head "Another Brick In The Wall, Part II" one more time, I think I might kill someone. I guess the song was cool when I first heard it back in the 7th grade, but these days it's just annoying. And the cover version of it is even worse, if that was ever possible. Getting back to the point, I just never really saw what the big deal was with Floyd. I've listened to Dark Side Of The Moon a few times and I usually fall asleep after a while. I guess it ultimately comes down to personal taste, but I've never been just totally overwhelmed with anything by Floyd. Jehtro Tull is better. Anyways...
===== *Trent
"There's colors on the street. Red, white & blue. People shuffeling their feet. People sleeping in their shoes. There's a warning sign on the road ahead. There's a lot of people thinking we'd be better off dead. Don't feel like Satan, but I am to them. So I try to forget them anyway I can." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:44:46 EST From: MusicSnob@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Alder Want For Christmas is My Two Front Teeth (Marginal, Tangental Message-ID: <0.554fcf2a.2563466e@aol.com>
Someone nameless, faceless, helpless, wrote: >NP: Fates Warning-Still Life (this is the only FW disc I own, and I sure >don't get why people think Ray Adler is better than James. Is there a >better example of RA's vox I should check out?)
First of all, as someone pointed out, a live cd is never the optimal medium from which to judge a vocalist. Of Ray's studio work, I would recommend "Parallels" as a great example of his vocal mastery. "No Exit" was for the dogs and "Perfect Symmetry" some find to a bit lispy (although musically brilliant). "APSoG" is good, but you've heard those songs, and "Inside Out" is widely considered Fates' weakest cd post-Arch (although one of the best songs they ever made, "Monument" is included).
I would caution (as I always do) that one's preference (be it for vocalists, guitarists, or ice cream flavor) is 100% subjective, so where I might not prefer James LaBrie to a singing clam's rendition of the macarena as recorded in an alternate universe, that doesn't meant you aren't free to disagree. It seems the discourse around here (if one could be so generous as to label it as such) always turns personal as soon as someone's sacred opinion is trod upon. Wah.
NP: Primal Fear - Jaws of Death (or some such cheesy title)
Kevin
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:58:31 -0600 From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: various Ramblings (blah blah blah) Message-ID: <19991116.175837.11646.2.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
Hey gang, school catching up to me but here are some thoughts and tidbits:
-Soundtrack "Legend of 1900" Never heard of the movie, we get a CD book with every CD order we get in where I work (Blockbuster) The movie is about "a virtuoso musician born at sea" Ennio Morricone composed teh original score, but the CD has a song by hime and co-written by Roger Waters (of Pink Floyd) with guitar solos by Edward Van Halen. Could be intresting. (i also got a FULL PAGE AD for SFAM from that magazine)
-Limp Corn Biscuits-ok, I give evrything a fair chance, someone gave me a free (thank god) copy of Limp's new Cd, its horrible. Fred on his own can't sing, but he can let out some core metal yells. Ever heard the Soulfly CD, he's on the song Bleed. He needs to get into a full "metal band" Which leads me to my next point-People came back from their concert saying they opened with the FULL VERSION of Master of Puppets. Frightening.
Charlie-sounds ok in some songs (Statuts Seeker) "Nothing is sacred..." sounds fine to me, but the last note of TKH. Ugghhh.
Kurt NP-Creed "Human Clay"
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:07:58 EST From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Xanadu Records URL??? Message-ID: <0.852a104f.25634bde@aol.com>
In a message dated 11/16/1999 1:32:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< Believe me, you dont want to have anything to do with this scam artist. nothing but low quality analog recordings that were transfered to cd. the guy has ripped me off twice. in my opinion, this guy is worse than Bahr. as least i eventually got stuff from bahr. just a warning. later. >>
Thanks for the warning. :-) I know what you mean... I've dealt with the guy before too, and I got ripped off on a tape trade. However, I've bought a few CD's from the guy, and he's delivered every time. I was just curious to see if he had any new CD's he was offering. So, does anyone know his URL??
Thanks... Matt T.
NP: Amorphis "Tuonela" <-- INCREDIBLE album, BTW!!!
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:26:26 -0500 From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: No anti-Pink Floyd content in this post! Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991116192626.007aa600@pop.gl.umbc.edu>
>> That's crap. Music isn't for "regular guys." It's for musicians. > >Ladies and Gentlemen, the "That's so silly, it's laughable" award has a >winner! This is akin to saying that "Food isn't for 'regular guys'. It's for >chefs." So I guess that hunger strike you've been putting off is looking >pretty good now, huh? Oh, wait, I got one! Howsabout telling everyone who >isn't a musician that buys music that "Hey, guys and girls, sorry - no more >Brittany Spears albums for you, not until I hear you and this here gee-tar >play me a few tunes."
I am very sorry for saying that "[Music is] for musicians." Everyone certainly has the right to buy whatever music they please.
What I meant (and how I think most people took it) was "MAKING music is for musicians."
>I think a-ha is one of the >greatest bands ever - EVER. I can pretty much guarantee that 90% of this >list are giggling mightily at my choice of music (this kid liked DT *and* >a-ha? What the hell is wrong with HIM?!?!), but that doesn't make their >opinion incorrect. It merely means that we have different tastes.
Hey, A-Ha is great. Good, catchy songs. Good musicianship. Emotive performers. I don't know too much of their stuff, but what I have heard is good.
I really like Tears for Fears. Anyone else have the album "Songs from the Big Chair"? Good stuff.
>Nowhere in his original posts did i read him say that "PF is bullshit". i >only saw his opinion about The Wall, and other PF albums. There's a >difference.......
Thank you for saying that, so that I wouldn't have to say it myself.
>I agree, there. Me? I have a very low opinion of Jimi Hendrix. I just >flat out don't like him, but I don't jump out and berate him whenever he is >mentioned on the list. I can respect that lots of other people actually >find him to be noteworthy. I think it just goes to show what level of >maturity some people have when they have to publicly criticize anything they >don't like or understand. *hint hint* :)
:)
This actually all started when someone (I think it was DTGirl) said something (positive) about Pink Floyd. I said something like, "Enh. I hate that band" (which, I admit, is not very mature). Then a dozen people jumped all over me saying things like: "PF is the greatest band ever!" and "How dare you say that Gilmour is a crappy guitarist!" and "well did you know that the guys in DT like Floyd? what do you say to that, hmm?"
I don't like Jimi Hendrix either. Whatever it is about him that everyone thinks was so great, I just don't see it.
Imagine what the reaction would be if I had said I *gasp* LIKED Derek Sherinian... (Tomorrow there will be a dozen posts saying "Well, THAT explains everything...")
Steve Z
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:29:59 EST From: Lordbast@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5188-remove Message-ID: <0.e6b6a5dd.25635107@aol.com>
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 02:14:05 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Influences of NKOTB and the rest garbage Message-ID: <3832015D.C6279FFC@mol.com.mk>
The only thing NKOTB, Spice Girls and the rest influenced is getting some people in positions to see that it's easy money. "Wow, look at the stupid teenagers! They get horny. Let's make some 20 more bands consisted of 4 'cute' boys and girls"
And they trick every generation of youngsters with that lousy old crappy philosophy.
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 02:09:19 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: PF Message-ID: <3832003F.8DA3FE1A@mol.com.mk>
> From: Giannotti Nick Contr ESC/JS <Nick.Giannotti@hanscom.af.mil> > >Because there's difference. We talk about facts, not tastes. > >And that "PF are one of the greatest bands ever and has impact in the > >music" is a fact! > > Claiming that a band is 'one of the greatest bands ever' > is COMPLETELY subjective.
Nope! SOME things ARE objective. And I just can't imagine how anyone could understand this as MY personal taste! You know well what I mean, don't turn it the other way around. I'm not speaking here of my stupid tastes and opinions.
> "Congress Shall Make No Law Respecting An Establishment of > Religion, Or Prohibiting The Free Exercise Thereof; Or Abridging > The Freedom Of Speech, Or Of The Press; Or The Right Of The People > Peacebly To Assemble; And To Petition The Government For A Redress > Of Grievances." This look familiar? It's called The First Amendment, > and it's what allows me - and a sizable majority of the rest of > the people on this list - to bash whoever the hell I want.
Errrr, are you tryin' to tell me the US constitution is the PERFECT one and that we should all govern by it? You also try to bounder the discussion.
A friendly advice: Go and see EASY RIDER movie! Listen carefully the Jack Nicholson philosophy said by the swamp, in the night before they go to sleep.
"If million people jump and drown in the river should I do the same?"
> From: "Bernard, Chris" <CBernard@pulaskifurniture.com> > > No - "greatest" is a matter of taste, not fact. Saying "PF are one > of the greatest bands ever..." is you expressing your opinion, > your tastes, not a fact. Unless you were to qualify "greatest" in > some tangible statistic like album sales, concert attendance, > etc... But you didn't. You stated an opinion.
And I repeat "No I didn't" !!! I might say it in extreme way, but the fact remains, that PF is what it is, and you can't change that.
> And don't forget that Menudo, New Kids on the (Chopping) Block, > and Spice Grrrrls have all had a big impact on music?
And you're ready to prove this? Do I have to mention that the change we talk about should go up, in positive way?
> Does that mean that if my favorite musicians like, or were > inspired by, particular artists, than i am required to > like those same artists?
No, but it can help appretiate the unjustly bashed one more and don't turn out stupid. Also this guy later said that EVEN his beloved DT band is bashed right here. Note his emphasis. So since he respects DT so much and taskes it personal, I just showed him the fact that DT likes PF.
Example:
PERSONAL OPINIONS AND TASTE: - I HATE Pat Metheny; - I can't stand Miles Davis and that kind of jazz music;
FACTS, THE TRUTH: - Pat Metheny is one hell of a guitarist and IS a legend. I RESPECT the man greatly. - Miles Davis is god in jazz music, the world doesn't need me to agree or disagree - THAT IS THAT! ---------------------------------------
Can you see the difference? This is my point, and THE ONLY POINT I try to make.
I hate those guys, but I do realize that simply I myself don't like that kind of music, it does nothing to me. But I don't go walk around and say Miles Davis is an idiot who couldn't play trumpet the right way, that his music is sleepy .. yadda, yadda
> >Noone takes you the right to choose what you like. But saying PF is > bullshit is just plain moronic. < > > Nowhere in his original posts did i read him say that "PF is > bullshit". i only saw his opinion about The Wall, and other PF > albums. There's a difference....
Geez, tryin' to be literal here? OK, he DID say Gilmour is bullshit and he can't do this or that, ruins bla, bla, bla.
> >You can choose to not like it, you don't have right to bash it!!!< > > Ahhhhhh. Another of the "Your opinion isn't the same as mine, so > you can't express it here" arguments. I understand now..
Yeah, I bet it feels fine twisting the things. I bet it feels fine to sum up that others are plain stupid and say "Ah, I understand now.." Grow up!
"Your opinion isn't the same as the truth, so you can express it here but you'll turn out a moron"
And naturally the side-effect would be - you're wrong! :)
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:52:19 -0500 From: Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5190 Message-ID: <B4578291.479F%marc@merespass.net>
"Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net> wrote > Simple music can be good music (some Beatles, Mozart,etc.). Complex music > can be bad music (in my father's opinion DT, Stravinsky, Mahavishnu > Orchestra, some Miles Davis, etc.).
Um, Mozart is simple? :)
> Whether or not a piece of music is > popular is another story. I believe that if it is complex it can never be > popular (i.e., accepted by the masses). [I am not sure how I would defend > that statement when it comes to popular symphonic music which could be > considered complex based merely on the number of 'voices'. I'll have to > think about it.]
Nah, I think you can get away with that statement. I'm thinking of Beethoven's 5th and maybe the 9th but what's actually popular about those pieces? The main theme of the first movement of the 5th symphony. Very easy to hum. But how many people really pay attention to the whole first movement or even know that there is more to the piece? As for the 9th, it has The Ode to Joy in the last movement. That's what people remember. So basically, people remember the simple bits. Lots of voices only matters if those voices are doing something other than singing a harmony line.
--Marc R
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:05:07 -0800 (PST) From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: PF Message-ID: <19991117040507.16317.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com>
--- CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> wrote: > Nope! SOME things ARE objective. > And I just can't imagine how anyone could understand > this as MY personal taste! You know well what I > mean, don't turn it the other way around. I'm not > speaking here of my stupid tastes and opinions.
You speak the truth, but to try assert that Pink Floyd are undeniably the greatest band ever is going to get denied by fans of any other band. This is subjective. I don't enjoy Floyd. Lots of people don't enjoy Floyd. We're not out of some loop which only you and other Floyd listeners know about.
> Errrr, are you tryin' to tell me the US constitution > is the PERFECT one and that we should all govern by > it? You also try to bounder the discussion.
Well unless I'm sorely mistaken, this mailing list is based in America and Skadz is an American. That would mean this this list is governed by the laws of the US theoretically.
> A friendly advice: Go and see EASY RIDER movie! > Listen carefully the Jack Nicholson philosophy said > by the swamp, in the night before they go to sleep.
A friendly advice: Go and see any movie directed by Kevin Smith. Listen to the obligatory Star Wars discussions.
> "If million people jump and drown in the river > should I do the same?"
I would if the Martians were coming.
===== *Trent
"There's colors on the street. Red, white & blue. People shuffeling their feet. People sleeping in their shoes. There's a warning sign on the road ahead. There's a lot of people thinking we'd be better off dead. Don't feel like Satan, but I am to them. So I try to forget them anyway I can." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:41:53 EST From: MyrBones@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: imp. facts Message-ID: <0.68b5ce3c.25638c11@aol.com>
this is in response to the comments made about what i wrote yesterday about charlie being an amazing vocalist, and about steve howe being far superior to JP. many of you wrote in hoping that was a joke.......that is very offensive and hurts me greatly. i take the time to write in my opinions to you swine, and all you can do is ridicule and defame me. well its not fair to single out people with opinions such as mine......i dont even know why i refer to what i say as opinion, because anyone who is even a moderate DT fan would clearly agree with me--because what i have to say is fact. in addition, i have some more facts to relay to my fellow DT fans.
1. w/o DS, DT will continue to go nowhere......i can only imagine that MP goes to sleep every night kicking himself for getting rid of the ultimate sex icon that the prog music scene has to offer. DS was DT, and now they are nothing. 2. I am so sick and tired of people worshiping MP. He would certainly rank at the bottom of any music lovers list of great drummers, if he even made my list. He just cant compare with top notch drummers like Lars Ulrich, Charlie Watts, Tommy Lee, Alex Vanhalen or even Kid Rock. I saw a Kid Rock show, and that man has the most energy behind the set in the industry. 3. And what is that low-life Kevin Moore up to these days. Did that joke really think he was anything without JM by his side. Last I heard about Moore, he was doing some hard time down in Texas for illegal distribution of pornography. Now thats just pathetic even for him....i thought he reached new lows on the Awake album, but i was wrong. He has sunk to knew lows. Good job Kev Mo. Just my thoughts, The Mayor
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:00:33 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Do you really think you're convincing anybody? Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9911162354450.63571-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 MyrBones@aol.com wrote:
> this is in response to the comments made about what i wrote yesterday > about charlie being an amazing vocalist, and about steve howe being > far superior to JP. many of you wrote in hoping that was a > joke.......that is very offensive and hurts me greatly. i take the > time to write in my opinions to you swine, and all you can do is > ridicule and defame me. well its not fair to single out people with > opinions such as mine......i dont even know why i refer to what i say > as opinion, because anyone who is even a moderate DT fan would clearly > agree with me--because what i have to say is fact. in addition, i have > some more facts to relay to my fellow DT fans.
You know why I thought what you were writing was a joke? Because if you really thought that this band was THAT horrible, you wouldn't be on the Dream Theater Official Internet Mailing List. Seriously, if you think that what we're saying about your opinions are that awful, then you can unsub from the list. If this band is so low in your opinions since DS left, then I highly doubt that you would be missing anything monumental.
> 1. w/o DS, DT will continue to go nowhere......i can only imagine > that MP goes to sleep every night kicking himself for getting rid of > the ultimate sex icon that the prog music scene has to offer. DS was > DT, and now they are nothing. > 2. I am so sick and tired of people worshiping MP. He would > certainly rank at the bottom of any music lovers list of great > drummers, if he even made my list. He just cant compare with top > notch drummers like Lars Ulrich, Charlie Watts, Tommy Lee, Alex > Vanhalen or even Kid Rock. I saw a Kid Rock show, and that man has > the most energy behind the set in the industry. > 3. And what is that low-life Kevin Moore up to these days. Did that > joke really think he was anything without JM by his side. Last I > heard about Moore, he was doing some hard time down in Texas for > illegal distribution of pornography. Now thats just pathetic even for > him....i thought he reached new lows on the Awake album, but i was > wrong. He has sunk to knew lows. > Good job Kev Mo. > Just my thoughts, > The Mayor
I can't believe I just wrote what I did up there. This shit is HILARIOUS; keep it coming! You know, if you ARE serious, by any account, I think that I would really feel sorry for you. And this has nothing to do with the fact that I'm ridiculing your opinions, because I'm not. My opinion is no better and no worse than yours. What I'm laughing at here is that if you ARE serious (which I highly doubt), you're REALLY wasting your time by posting this kind of stuff to this list.
That is why I think what you're posting is a joke of some sort. But hey, keep the laughs coming!
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- The only stupid question is the one that is never asked, except maybe "Don't you think it's about time you audited my tax return?" or "But officer, isn't it morally wrong to give me a warning when, in fact, I was speeding?" -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:36:26 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: various Ramblings (blah blah blah) Message-ID: <2.2.32.19991117053626.01671518@pi-r-squared.com>
At 04:08 PM 11/16/99 -0800, you wrote: > >Hey gang, >school catching up to me but here are some thoughts and tidbits: > >-Soundtrack "Legend of 1900" Never heard of the movie, we get a CD book >with every CD order we get in where I work (Blockbuster) The movie is >about "a virtuoso musician born at sea" Ennio Morricone composed teh >original score, but the CD has a song by hime and co-written by Roger >Waters (of Pink Floyd) with guitar solos by Edward Van Halen. Could be >intresting. (i also got a FULL PAGE AD for SFAM from that magazine) >
Sounds cool. Ennio rules. Whether or not you've seen any of the movies he's scored, I KNOW you've heard some of his themes. Think back to the old Leone Spaghetti Westerns. Like The Good the Bad and the Ugly. That's Ennio. Glad to know he's still in the business
Palpatine Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai "Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "He said I was crazy, and it's not true! Although I did try to burn his house down once..." - Werner Herzog regarding Klaus Kinski
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