YTSEJAM Digest 5189
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5187
by "Guido Mercati" <mercatig@iol.it>
2) Re: in defense of Charlie and WDADU
by Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net>
3) SFAM Sold Out (was YTSEJAM digest 5187)
by Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net>
4) SFAM - Shivers....!
by Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
5) Music isn't for "regular guys." (was YTSEJAM digest 5188)
by Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net>
6) More ramblings from the asylum...
by Giannotti Nick Contr ESC/JS <Nick.Giannotti@hanscom.af.mil>
7) RE: Pissing the pink wall
by "Bernard, Chris" <CBernard@pulaskifurniture.com>
8) Re: vocal debate
by Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net>
9) more pink floyd stuff...
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
10) DT @ Brussels
by "Charlie_Farrell" <Charlie_Farrell@email.msn.com>
11) Fascist Floyd
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
12) Shivers.....yeah me too
by Stephen LaMonica <sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu>
13) Various ramblings...
by "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
14) Regular People/Art/Philosophy
by "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net>
15) Carry that Charlie away
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
16) Re: Xanadu Records URL???
by "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com>
17) Re: Pissing the pink wall
by "Brian O'Brien" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
18) Re: in defense of Charlie and WDADU
by Marc van der Wal <M.R.van.der.Wal@cable.a2000.nl>
19) Re: Cologne - A full review (maybe spoilers)
by Marc van der Wal <M.R.van.der.Wal@cable.a2000.nl>
20) Re: "Open your eyes Victoria"
by "Lee Wilson" <devnull@ad1440.net>
21) Andreas' Cologne Review
by Portnoy420@aol.com
22) CD Labeller Questions
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:17:46 +0100
From: "Guido Mercati" <mercatig@iol.it>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5187
Message-ID: <199911161517460540.00103C84@mail.iol.it>
Anyone wants to sell a copy of the bootleg LIQUID DREAMS by LTE ,recorded=
at NAMM + DT's instrumentals? I can pay $ 50 for it, but it must be the=
ORIGINAL silver CD!!!
Cheers,
Liquid Tension Experiment rules!!!
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:53:52 -0500
From: Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: in defense of Charlie and WDADU
Message-ID: <B456D90C.46ED%marc@merespass.net>
"Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com> writes
> I must be the only person on this list who doesn't hate Charlie
> Dominici.
Nope. I don't hate him. I don't even think he's bad. I think James is good,
but I don't think Charlie is bad. I really like WDADU. Could be because I
had that tape soon after it came out and listened to it a lot (still do).
> Sure, he's no JL, and I wouldn't even call him a 'good' singer,
> but he's not so bad that he can't be tuned out, and even enjoyed sometimes.
> His biggest weakness, IMHO, is his blandness. (he's still not as bad as the
> Cairo guy, though) But like the cynic/prog/cookie monster vox thread, the
> emphasis is NOT on the vox, but on the music.
I don't agree with that. The emphasis may not be on the lyrics, but the
vocals are as much a part of the music as any other instrument. I would
guess that's why a lot of people don't like WDADU, because the vocalist
isn't pleasing and wrecks the songs for them.
--Marc R
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:53:52 -0500
From: Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: SFAM Sold Out (was YTSEJAM digest 5187)
Message-ID: <B456D9A9.46EE%marc@merespass.net>
> On another note, there hasnt been a lot of talk about the new album lately.
> I was just thinking that this must be the best production I've heard from
> the band. I've heard mixed comments but I think its a much better sound than
> previous albums.
I tried to buy it last night and I was surprised to find that it was sold
out. I'm hoping that's a good sign - lots of folks buying it. I'll try again
today.
--Marc R
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:48:50 -0600
From: Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: SFAM - Shivers....!
Message-ID: <63E392974AF3D211A88600104B93BD8B15CC5F@bham-xchg>
Guys,
]From: Richard <karies@wxs.nl>
>I was just wondering...every single time I listen to "Scenes from a
>Memory" there are some serious shivers running up and down me throughout
>the shooting scene in "Finally Free", climaxing when the voice goes
>"Open your eyes Victoria"... Do any of you have that too?
> And I don't mean metaphorical or mental shivers, no, genuine
>polar-quality physical shivers.
> This is one fine album.
I couldn't agree more. There are sections on this cd (both lyrically and
musically) that really grab you, shake you up and down, then drop from a
great height. The murder scene is particularly hard hitting, Victoria's
reaction at seeing Julian getting shot (pure hysterical screaming) is a real
shocker, you can feel the terror, and the "Open your eyes Victoria", whoa
there - that's totally spine tingling, if this was made into a movie it
would definately be an "R" (or an "18" depending on where you're from).
Dave (a UK jammer) - fucking loves SFAM....!
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:03:53 -0500
From: Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Music isn't for "regular guys." (was YTSEJAM digest 5188)
Message-ID: <B456DAC3.46EF%marc@merespass.net>
>> That's crap. Music isn't for "regular guys." It's for musicians. I'm not
>
> thats the typical prog fan attitude but its wrong. anyone can make music
> that is powerful and moving. i recall many nights spent sitting up late with
> friends, where i am the only musician, and being amazed at the power that
> people can produce simply playing a drum or singing to three chord songs.
Although I agree with you, I think I kinda get what the original message was
trying to say. A couple days ago, I was thinking about DT and similar music.
My two favorite bands are still Rush and DT. After listening to each for
years, I can still find something new, or at least interesting, in their
music. I really love a lot of U2 and The Police but those bands just aren't
as interesting. As much as I love King of Pain, there's nothing new about
it. It remains a great song but nothing more. Consequently, it gets old. Not
"old" in a bad way, but I just don't listen to it much. But I can pick up
any Rush album and find some new and interesting stuff on it even though
I've heard it hundreds of times. Bands like Rush and DT make, I guess,
"musician's music." I don't really like that term because, obviously (and
thankfully) you don't have to be a musician to appreciate the music. But if
you are a musician, you probably appreciate it more.
--Marc R
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:08:30 -0500
From: Giannotti Nick Contr ESC/JS <Nick.Giannotti@hanscom.af.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: More ramblings from the asylum...
Message-ID: <390762D98D63D2118C280060081358CC01466962@hamsxha2.hanscom.af.mil>
> That's crap. Music isn't for "regular guys." It's for musicians.
Ladies and Gentlemen, the "That's so silly, it's laughable" award has a
winner! This is akin to saying that "Food isn't for 'regular guys'. It's for
chefs." So I guess that hunger strike you've been putting off is looking
pretty good now, huh? Oh, wait, I got one! Howsabout telling everyone who
isn't a musician that buys music that "Hey, guys and girls, sorry - no more
Brittany Spears albums for you, not until I hear you and this here gee-tar
play me a few tunes."
Hint: Get dental records. It's the only way they'll be able to identify you
if that happens.
>Because there's difference. We talk about facts, not tastes.
>And that "PF are one of the greatest bands ever and has impact in the
>music" is a fact!
Claiming that a band is 'one of the greatest bands ever' is COMPLETELY
subjective. You may think that PF deserves all the laurels heaped upon them.
While I respect what they've done, I couldn't disagree more with you.
However, this doesn't make either one of us right or wrong - this is a game
where there are no right or wrong answers. I think a-ha is one of the
greatest bands ever - EVER. I can pretty much guarantee that 90% of this
list are giggling mightily at my choice of music (this kid liked DT *and*
a-ha? What the hell is wrong with HIM?!?!), but that doesn't make their
opinion incorrect. It merely means that we have different tastes.
>And it happens to be that "musicians you like" were in a way inspired by
>The Wall for making SFAM.
So that means that, by transitive property (I think), I have to like a bands
influences if I'm to like them? I can think of a hundred examples where I
like a band and hate their influences (any band influenced by the Beatles
comes to mind). Just because I don't like where someone comes from doesn't
mean I don't have to despise that person. Christ, if that were the case,
there'd be holy war after holy war here in America.
>The time is the biggest proof about PF.
And that's very commendable that they've been able to stand the test of time
for so long (even with Mr. Barrett going stark raving mad, and Mr. Waters
being Mr. Waters). I respect that. Doesn't mean I have to kowtow to them
every time their name is mentioned...
>The "grow up" was reffering to not bash artists which are KNOWN as
>legends, pioneers, giants ... you and your opinions don't have access
>there! You can choose to not like it, you don't have right to bash it!!!
"Congress Shall Make No Law Respecting An Establishment of Religion, Or
Prohibiting The Free Exercise Thereof; Or Abridging The Freedom Of Speech,
Or Of The Press; Or The Right Of The People Peacebly To Assemble; And To
Petition The Government For A Redress Of Grievances." This look familiar?
It's called The First Amendment, and it's what allows me - and a sizable
majority of the rest of the people on this list - to bash whoever the hell I
want. Call it wallowing in ignorance if you want, call it an inappreciation
for what you call fine art; Hell, man, call it "Rover" and dress it up in a
pink tutu, for all I give a shit. What *I* call it is my big, flappy mouth
and it's unadulterated opinions having unfettered access to bash whatever
legend, giant, or pioneer I choose fit. Don't like it? Page down. :)
Nicholas Giannotti x6745
Joint STARS Contracts / JSK
System Resources Corporation
giannottin@hanscom.af.mil
"Build a man a fire, he is warm for a day. Set him on fire and he is warm
for the rest of his life."
"Who gossips to you will gossip of you."
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:10:47 -0500
From: "Bernard, Chris" <CBernard@pulaskifurniture.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Pissing the pink wall
Message-ID: <F3476C2D6B4BD31189330090278A744004B5D6@PFCMAIL>
Howdy, y'all......
Against better judgment, and since i'm horribly bored at work this a.m., i'm
jumping into this thread. i'm not worried, though - i'm wearing my
flame-retardant, Jason Bieler underoos.
[CyberDuke]>We talk about facts, not tastes. And that "PF are one of the
greatest bands ever and has impact in the music" is a fact!<
No - "greatest" is a matter of taste, not fact. Saying "PF are one of the
greatest bands ever..." is you expressing your opinion, your tastes, not a
fact. Unless you were to qualify "greatest" in some tangible statistic like
album sales, concert attendance, etc... But you didn't. You stated an
opinion.
And don't forget that Menudo, New Kids on the (Chopping) Block, and Spice
Grrrrls have all had a big impact on music - does that make them great?
>Did you watch the movie THE WALL? After that you'll be horrified how much
sense does all make. And you'll see how great concept album WALL is. <
Well, watching a movie shouldn't be a necessary factor in appreciating an
album. But, that's besides the point. i've listened to The Wall, and seen
the movie. They do nothing for me -- but that's me. If i go through the rest
of my life and never hear that album again, i won't feel as though i've
missed anything. If my opinion about an album is different, that doesn't
make any less valid.
>And it happens to be that "musicians you like" were in a way inspired by
The Wall for making SFAM.
Does that mean that if my favorite musicians like, or were inspired by,
particular artists, than i am required to like those same artists? Give me a
break..........
>Noone takes you the right to choose what you like. But saying PF is
bullshit is just plain moronic. <
Nowhere in his original posts did i read him say that "PF is bullshit". i
only saw his opinion about The Wall, and other PF albums. There's a
difference.......
>You can choose to not like it, you don't have right to bash it!!!<
Ahhhhhh. Another of the "Your opinion isn't the same as mine, so you can't
express it here" arguments. I understand now.............
As always, YMMV.
CHRIS
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A Moose once bit my sister...
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:14:09 -0500
From: Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: vocal debate
Message-ID: <B456DD88.46F0%marc@merespass.net>
Fett2002@aol.com writes
> Everyone is talking about James/Charlie and vocalists and such so I figured
> I'd give my opinion. Just because someone has a good voice doesn't mean that
> the song is good (this has nothing to do with those 2 though). For example,
> look at Whitney Houston. Good voice, music is crap so what's the point? Same
> with Frank Sinatra. I may be treading on holy ground here but so be it.
Ugh, Frank. I would argue the opposite. Good songs, lousy voice. I never
figured out -- well, I did figure it out but I don't want to go swimming
with the fishes ;) -- why people love Frank so much.
> The guy did not write one song. Good voice but what's the point if it isn't
> his own stuff?
Oh brother. No offense but that is such a rocker point of view. I mean,
LaBrie didn't write the lyrics to almost every DT song so what's the point
singing the songs. Same with Geddy Lee. Same with tons of vocalists. Same
with most jazz musicians. Same with 99% of classical musicians. It's such a
silly thing to say. He didn't write the song, so why perform it? How can he
be good if he didn't write it? There's a difference between being a musician
- someone who performs music - and a songwriter or composer. Although a
songwriter or composer is a musician by definition, a musician is not
necessarily a songwriter or composer. How many bad bands have you heard
playing all their own stuff? They could be great musicians but lousy
songwriters.
> I much rather hear a guy like Fred Durst sing sincerely with
> integrity than someone who just sings songs that others wrote for them.
I don't! I don't care how "sincere" he is, if he sucks, he sucks. Just
'cause he tries hard, doesn't make him good and doesn't mean I want to
listen. Frankly, not many people do. I don't think Fred is so bad. Half the
time he doesn't even sing but when he does, he's in tune and not out of his
range. It doesn't hurt to listen to him.
> Basically what I'm trying to say here is that you can polish a terd all you
> want but in the end it's still a terd.
Which contradicts what you're saying above. A bad singer is a bad singer.
They can be as sincere as they want. I might clap when they get done but
it's because they had the nerve to go up there and sing even though they
suck. Not because they gave it their best or any other crap. "Wow, he's
really sincere. Too bad he sucks. Let's get him in the band anyway. People
will overlook that he sucks and tune in to his sincerity." I don't think so.
> I prefer singing when it comes from
> the heart, and if the vocals are great than fine but if they aren't it
> doesn't meant the song sucks.
Of course it doesn't, but it doesn't mean the vocalist is good. It doesn't
mean that you always want to listen.
--Marc R
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:17:08 -0500
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: more pink floyd stuff...
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991116101708.007add20@pop.gl.umbc.edu>
>Did you ever consider the possiblity that there are different styles of
>music? By your reasoning, Fred Durst is a piss poor vocalist because he
>couldn't perform a DT song to save his life. I bet you can't think of
>anything more hilarious than Fred Durst trying to sing "Home". Well I
>got something funnier for ya, how about James Labrie performing Nookie?
"By my resoning" nothing. I said Fred sucks because he can't sing. There
are plenty of GOOD singers in the world who couldn't sing a DT song well,
if at all. Fred trying to sing "home"? That's not funny. That's just
sad. Like Fred trying to sing "Faith." (A great song, btw.) I think it's
supposed to be funny, but it's just sad.
James trying to sing "Nookie"? Now THAT would be a riot! :)
.actually, no. now that I think about it, it would probably be great.
>Yeah. Those Ramones are good for nothing. Why should I want to go to a
Damn right they're good for nothing. They ARE nothing. The suck.
>partying to punk in 4/4 is good for nothing.
Right again.
>nah, the number of people who have been posting simply "Pink Floyd is
shit" etc
>is just rediculous. I think theres a link between aggressive, stupid
behaviour and
>not liking pink floyd.
and I think there's a link between pot-smoking morons and liking Pink Floyd.
(I apologize for the above statement. It was a stupid comment and only
intended as a rebuttal to the stupid comment that precededs it.)
>> Also, David Gilmour IMO is one if the finest guitarists ever. He can
>> say more with one note than most guitarists can with 20. I don't think
>> JP would be as good as he is without being influenced by Gilmour.
That's because for Gilmour to PLAY 20 notes would take a half-hour and
everyone would have either gone home or fallen asleep by then.
>Because there's difference. We talk about facts, not tastes.
>And that "PF are one of the greatest bands ever and has impact in the
>music" is a fact!
Oh, now I get it. I've seen the light. You've changed my world. what a
fool I've been...
</sarcasm>
>Did you watch the movie THE WALL? After that you'll be horrified how
>much sense does all make.
>And you'll see how great concept album WALL is.
At least I could stay awake through the movie because the music wasn't
constantly there putting me to sleep.
>And it happens to be that "musicians you like" were in a way inspired by
>The Wall for making SFAM.
Yes, that's true and I realize that. I don't care if JP has a picture of
Gilmour tatooed on his ass. Just because DT likes Pink Floyd, that doesn't
give me any reason to give them any validity in my own mind.
>The "grow up" was reffering to not bash artists which are KNOWN as
>legends, pioneers, giants ... you and your opinions don't have access
>there! You can choose to not like it, you don't have right to bash it!!!
Pardon me, but I have the right to bash whatever I want just as much as I
have the right to praise whatever I want. If people can get on this list
and bash James and Derek when the FAQ clearly says not to, I can say that
Pink Floyd sucks as much as I want, until the list manager tells me to stop
(which he doesn't need to do since I'm DONE).
I'm sorry if people's fragile egos can't take when someone bashes a band
they like, or when not everyone thinks someone is a "legend" just because
the media tells them he is.
Steve Z
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:33:34 -0000
From: "Charlie_Farrell" <Charlie_Farrell@email.msn.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: DT @ Brussels
Message-ID: <010a01bf3047$f3d38480$ca87bc3e@farrell>
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 10:52:42 +0100
]From: "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Brussels Concert
>I saw the Brussels concert yesterday and I come home (?) with
>mixed feelings... Maybe I expected too much of it and maybe
>that is why I am disappointed about it, but still...
Urghhh?? Disappointed? what's up with you?
>My impressions:
>Only JR was smiling and seemed to have a good time, MP and
>JP looked uninterested for most part of the gig - at a certain
>moment MP threw his sticks backstage in an annoyed manner.
>JM is just doing his part as usual. JL - always the same - so no
>comment. I think they played uninspired and not really motivated
>- except for JR again... He is a great musician. It could be a little
>too early on the tour and they possibly need a little more time.
Well I was right at the back of the hall, so I couldn't see the
expressions on their faces - but at least I could see them, because
I wasn't standing behind 2m tall Dutchmen like I was at Zwolle.
Yeah, Jordan was a bit low in the mix early-on (as he also was
at Zwolle), but for me the music flowed perfectly. Even the SFaM
stuff that I'm not huge on right now sounded great.
For me (non-musician) the music was perfect. Not even any little
mistakes like there were at Zwolle.
>As for the sound: 1. it was way TOO loud (I am used to
>something, but this was really hurting).
yeah - agreed it was a tad too loud. There was no need for it to
have been that loud in a venue of that capacity.
>2. All DT gigs I went to suffered from the same problem: there
>are not enough keyboards in the mix.
I agree for the early part - but it was fixed later on.
>For me DTs music is more than the JP shredding - they are
>not a hardcore band If I'm not mistaken - and that was
>indeed all I heard yesterday. Keys are vital for this kind of
>music. And they don't have enough room in the end mix.
I'm sorry, but I'm not sure that we were at the same show
the keys show up on the recording of the show that I heard.
>A little disappointed
Well for me, it was up there as the best show of the year
maybe a little better than the show at Zwolle but far and
away better than anything else I've seen this year.
Charlie
P.S. Peter - I was going to contact you before the show
- sorry I had so many other people to meet that I forgot,
and my project management skills leave something to
be desired, eh Mark?
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:52:38 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Fascist Floyd
Message-ID: <004401bf304a$9f8a0900$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
Steve Z. most notably spake:
>I'm sorry if people's fragile egos can't take when someone bashes a band
>they like, or when not everyone thinks someone is a "legend" just because
>the media tells them he is.
I agree, there. Me? I have a very low opinion of Jimi Hendrix. I just
flat out don't like him, but I don't jump out and berate him whenever he is
mentioned on the list. I can respect that lots of other people actually
find him to be noteworthy. I think it just goes to show what level of
maturity some people have when they have to publicly criticize anything they
don't like or understand. *hint hint* :)
-- KorgX3 keeps trying to build a utopian society. NP: Elton John - Made in England------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:03:11 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen LaMonica <sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Shivers.....yeah me too Message-ID: <199911161603.LAA05749@polaris.sju.edu.sju.edu>
I hear you man. I still get the shivers when I hear the chorus to One Last Time (In one last time....the victoria part...not the chorus at the end of the shooting scene in Finally Free). When LaBrie sings the Victoria parts in a higher pitch, it is really emotional.
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:15:37 -0200 From: "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Various ramblings... Message-ID: <199911160811082@randy_rhoads.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
As if u needed another take on all of this stuff that's been going around in the jam, I'll offer mine... heh
I don't think music is made for musicians, and I refuse to believe that only musicians can fully enjoy it... I agree with Korg, it takes one to know how hard it was to play the stuff, and therefore appreciate (?) the effort even more, but listening and enjoying it is much more complicated than just figuring how complex the parts are... Take the Beatles, for instance... They were one of the most popular bands ever, if not *the* most popular, and I'd guess that less than one third of the people who liked them were musicians...
I won't even get on this whole Floyd discussion, 'cause I'm no big fan of their music, it gets too passive at times FOR ME... But I won't deny I think they can write some great stuff... Now, criticizing David Gilmour is, IMHO, silly... He has become one of my favorite guitarists, the guy's feeling is amazing!!! I mean, his solo on Comfortably Numb is one of the greatest things I've ever heard... But anyway, I think people are entitled to their own views, and I think you have every right to bash whoever you want, even if others don't agree with that 'cause it's *your* opinion...
Well, those were my opinions... Maybe I forgot to say something, so you could get to "hear" from me anytime soon... hehehe
NP:Angra-Fireworks
Later, Adriano
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:27:41 -0500 From: "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Regular People/Art/Philosophy Message-ID: <001001bf304f$81977680$76035a8c@nws.noaa.gov>
>"Regular people" are usually just too lazy to attempt to try and interpret >something they can't understand right away. It explains why people listen >to Metallica over Dream Theater, prefer to watch professional wrestling over >a ballet, read Guns & Ammo instead of Shakespeare. True artists always tend >to weave a depth into their works that average, undisciplined people would >likely never understand and that's why true artistic ability is only >appreciated by other artists. The only thing you can do is attempt to lend >your own sight to other people, rather than bitch at them that they can't >see. If they don't appreciate your help, then let them walk out in front of >a truck. :) > >Anyway, enough of my philosophy. It gets to be contagious. >-- >KorgX3
Bravo! Well said, couldn't have said it better myself! Is it strange/ironic that I often find KorgX3 to be the voice of reason? Shit, I think I'm infected!
>>I think a lot of snotty prog music fans employ this >>line of logic to make senese of their bizarre fetish >>with technical music. I'm tone deaf, can't play music >>and don't know the first fucking thing about it, but >>what I do know is that DT sound better than 98% of the >>stuff played on the radio. I can appreciate Mike's >>drumming even tho I'm not a drummer. I can appreciate >>James' singing b/c there's no way in hell I could ever >>sing that way. I'm not a musician. All I know is >>that DT are probably my #3 fave band of all time. You >>can make up reasons why people like them, but at the >>end of the day all you can do is guess.
If it wasn't true DT would be your #1 all time fave band ;-)
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:07:57 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Carry that Charlie away Message-ID: <3831815D.FB24BA6C@mol.com.mk>
> From: Compadre32@aol.com > > Charlie Dominicci showed that he really does have good voice on > DT's cover of the Beatles' "Carry That Weight". I was suprised > how good he sounded.
I for one think that on WDADU he's TERRIBLE, and it totally ruins the album, which IMO is the worst DT album, even just musically! The second I hear his vocals I turn off the player. And that's why WDADU is the only DT album I don't have on CD, and I don't plan to.
BUT (BIG BUT) I was REALLY surprised when I heard "Carry That Weight"!!! I happen to be huge Beatles fan and Abbey Road is my fave album, and I gotta admit Charlie does a great job on that song. He sings it very good. I didn't believe it's the same vocalist as WDADU singer. DT also plays it very well, thank God they didn't change a thing, ... it's a sin re-arranging those few end songs on Abber road (Golden Slumbers/Carry that weight/The End).
P.S. Lemme hear just one moron who'll say that Beatles sucks and Abbey Road is crappy album, I dare you, I double dare you :)
P.P.S. Thumbs up for our fellow PF man Fett2002! :) Great comments
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:41:48 -0600 From: "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Xanadu Records URL??? Message-ID: <006901bf3051$81fd2b40$bc9b8ad1@boner>
Believe me, you dont want to have anything to do with this scam artist. nothing but low quality analog recordings that were transfered to cd. the guy has ripped me off twice. in my opinion, this guy is worse than Bahr. as least i eventually got stuff from bahr. just a warning. later.
----- Original Message ----- ]From: <MTeiper@aol.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 8:20 PM Subject: Xanadu Records URL???
> > Hey gang - > > Joe DiBella, you out there? If not, does anyone know the URL for Joe's > Xanadu Records? I think I have an older outdated link: > > http://idt.net/~rsch1/ > > At least I think that was his... I have the link saved in a text document > with no description next to it. And now I go there and it doesn't look like > a valid link anymore. Thanks in advance!! > > - Matt T. > > NP: Warrior Soul "Last Decade Dead Century"
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:57:15 -0600 From: "Brian O'Brien" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Pissing the pink wall Message-ID: <B456E90B.F59%hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
--
"If there's a shafterlife, you better be there."
> From: "Bernard, Chris" <CBernard@pulaskifurniture.com> > Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:19:41 -0800 (PST) > To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> > Subject: RE: Pissing the pink wall
> And don't forget that Menudo, New Kids on the (Chopping) Block, and Spice > Grrrrls have all had a big impact on music - does that make them great?
I really don't care about this thread, but I just have to laugh at this. Exactly how did any of these bands impact the music world in any lasting way? Especially Menudo. :)
-Brian
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:26:42 +0100 From: Marc van der Wal <M.R.van.der.Wal@cable.a2000.nl> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: in defense of Charlie and WDADU Message-ID: <383193D2.1298A84D@cable.a2000.nl>
> NP: Fates Warning-Still Life (this is the only FW disc I own, and I sure > don't get why people think Ray Adler is better than James. Is there a > better example of RA's vox I should check out?) Well, first of all, it's hard to compare Ray Alder with James Labrie, since they are totally different. You might listen to some studio albums by fates warning (or the 'Engine'- album as well...). You wouldn't base your opinion on James' voice only on OiaL, would you?
Marc
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:36:32 +0100 From: Marc van der Wal <M.R.van.der.Wal@cable.a2000.nl> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Cologne - A full review (maybe spoilers) Message-ID: <38319620.5866CCA2@cable.a2000.nl>
> In the 25 min break after Tiles, some instrumental musis has veen played through the PA. > Ever one has asked: "What is this" ! I MEAN ARE YOU PROG MUSIC FAN OR ONLY A METAL HEAD. > THE INSTRUMENTAL SONGS ARE FROM "THE FLOWER KINGS". Check them out. I don't think they played Flower Kings songs in Zwolle. The instrumental music people mentioned sounded really weird. It was unlike any progband. It was more like the sort of music they play at a cartoon, or something.
> It's funny, if they would play old Iron Maiden or Manowar I couldn't recall it > but when they play PROG I'm the man :-))) We know
Marc
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:50:04 -0800 From: "Lee Wilson" <devnull@ad1440.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: "Open your eyes Victoria" Message-ID: <003a01bf305b$039951c0$a9167ad8@dev2.ad1440.net>
>From: Richard <karies@wxs.nl> >Message-ID: <38313631.AF6@wxs.nl> > >I was just wondering...every single time I listen to "Scenes from a >Memory" there are some serious shivers running up and down me throughout >the shooting scene in "Finally Free", climaxing when the voice goes >"Open your eyes Victoria"... Do any of you have that too? > And I don't mean metaphorical or mental shivers, no, genuine >polar-quality physical shivers. > This is one fine album.
Actually, I'm the same way. I get shivers in the exact same spot. It's funny how much this album makes you care about some fictional character. I have NEVER cried over a song before until Finally Free, about the 7th time I listened to it, I spontaneously started crying on this part. Freaky, especially since I'm not usually very emotional.
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:01:50 EST From: Portnoy420@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Andreas' Cologne Review Message-ID: <0.19718a3c.2562f60e@aol.com>
<<<To make it short: Yesterday I've seen the DT that I've known. Hannover seemed (to me at least) like a warm-up, Cologne was the real thing. It sucked that I had such a bad view to the stage, but that's hardly the band's fault. ;-) I'd love to have that show on cd or video. And I still want to know what that instumental music between Tiles and DT is...
Take Care, Andreas>>>
YES, "sloppy" BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING!!! (when I can!)
Actually Andreas, I agree with you..... It's taken a week or so to get into the touring swing again, and I didn't feel we were "on" until Cologne.... It is very early in the tour cycle for us, and we are just starting to get used to the new line-up and new material (and new crew)....
BTW - the break tape consists of a Rush Re-mix, the Jon Finn Group, Mr. Bungle, the Flower Kings (which is the track I think you are referring to) and then music from Twin Peaks....
Mike Portnoy www.mikeportnoy.com www.dreamtheater.net
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:19:52 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: CD Labeller Questions Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9911161317210.75202-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
Does anybody have a CD label template for PageMaker? I hate having to use Adaptec's CD programs to make labels - it makes it so hard to put graphics in. Any of the other CD label programs I find ridiculous to use - I'd prefer to do it all myself, but I still can't ever be sure of the actual measurements for each type of template. I mean, I know that a CD cover instert is about 12 cm square, but as for the back cover, I have no clue.
Private emails, please, unless others on the list are interested in this as well.
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