YTSEJAM Digest 5188
Today's Topics:
1) Question about DT mp3's and Ftp Sites
by CLIFFBUR10@aol.com
2) Re: James
by "Lee Wilson" <devnull@ad1440.net>
3) Re: cologne
by Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
4) fred durst pissed in my wheaties!
by Adam Cook <ac003i@mail.rochester.edu>
5) The Commercial Equation
by "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au>
6) Millions Get 10 to 20 Years Younger
by <ggii@subdimension.com>
7) Xanadu Records URL???
by MTeiper@aol.com
8) in defense of Charlie and WDADU
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5187
by "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
10) Dominicci isn't that Bad
by Compadre32@aol.com
11) Attn: Progsnots
by Compadre32@aol.com
12) Did you record/take photos of a Europe '99 show?
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
13) vocal debate
by Fett2002@aol.com
14) Re: vocal debate
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
15) ProgPower photos are up :)
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
16) Cologne - A full review (maybe spoilers)
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
17) Pissing the pink wall
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
18) the staring audience, 6 o'clock
by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
19) review in German newspaper, discuss
by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
20) "Open your eyes Victoria"
by Richard <karies@wxs.nl>
21) A few guitarists to check out . . . (NDTC)
by "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:29:35 EST
From: CLIFFBUR10@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Question about DT mp3's and Ftp Sites
Message-ID: <0.1fdc4702.2561ff6f@aol.com>
I have a nice collection of various DT mp3's...but i used to get alot of
mp3's from the ftp address 129.22.243.106
but as of recently its not there no more..can anyone help me out and let me
know if this site just changed IP's or what..or if anyone has any other ftp
adress' please let me know thanks!!! if you can please email me as well as
posting!
thanks!!
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 17:01:07 -0800
From: "Lee Wilson" <devnull@ad1440.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: James
Message-ID: <011c01bf2fce$10cb7180$a9167ad8@dev2.ad1440.net>
>From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
>
>don't get me wrong.. i love james.. but anyone who would make this statement
>has not heard russel allen from symphony x.. buy "the divine wings of
>tragedy".. james will be knocked at least one notch down your favorate
>vocalist list.
>
>
>inferno
>NP: Alex DeGrassi - Water Garden
>
>>Wow. I'm honestly shocked that anyone DOESN'T like James. He's gotta be
>>the best vocalist I think I've ever heard. The feeling he can put into the
>>music is absolutely incredible. His vocal range may be matched by others,
>>if not surpassed (though not by many), but his intensity is second to none.
All right. I'll take your advice and have a listen, because you're right: I
haven't listened to that yet.
Some people mentioned some other artists they thought were better than
James, and told me I'd obviously never listened to them if I thought James was
the best. Well, for the record, I have listened to almost all of the others
mentioned -- I still think James is the best. My previous statement (so
thoughtfully included above) still stands, IMO.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 02:25:14 +0100
From: Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: cologne
Message-ID: <v04210103b4565a81fc29@[192.168.1.1]>
>mosh, call it whatever u want. But especially in DT concerts there are so
>many people just standing there, doing nothing to create an atmosphere,
German audience. Absolutely normal behavior.
I don't think you are doing justice to the German fans, you're
describing them as a total bore, poking their noses all the time or
something, and that's simply wrong. They are just very focused on the
music all the time, they don't want to miss anything that's going on
on stage. That doesn't mean they ain't having a good time! I don't
know where *you* were yesterday, but there was lots of atmosphere,
lots of singing, jumping around...
If you want a huge mosh pit or something, you should have gone see
another band, like maybe the Foo Fighters in the club across the
street this evening (the smaller of the two I might add). It's fun
dancing the toxic waltz in a mosh pit, as long as there's nothing
going on on stage worth watching...
Ok, the Italian fans are totally different story. Maybe you should go
to Milan instead...
Steffen
-- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@dtifc.com) THE MIRROR - German Dream Theater Fan Club (http://www.dtifc.com/themirror)------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:27:13 -0500 From: Adam Cook <ac003i@mail.rochester.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: fred durst pissed in my wheaties! Message-ID: <3830B2F1.73E2472C@mail.rochester.edu>
> Amen. that's the real reason people don't like him. Slacker culture > tells us that it is ok to frown upon effort. That's why people like these > "vocalists" who can't even sing, like Fred Durst. (Yep, I'm bashing him.) > Everyone wants to see just "regular guys" up there onstage.
Did you ever consider the possiblity that there are different styles of music? By your reasoning, Fred Durst is a piss poor vocalist because he couldn't perform a DT song to save his life. I bet you can't think of anything more hilarious than Fred Durst trying to sing "Home". Well I got something funnier for ya, how about James Labrie performing Nookie?
> But this 90's trend of (for lack of a > better word) SUCKING is disgusting. Thanks for nothing, Ramones. Thanks > for nothing, Nirvana.
Yeah. Those Ramones are good for nothing. Why should I want to go to a party and dance and have fun to a tune like "I Wanna Be Sedated" that all my friends love when I could dance to Strange Deja Vu because it has a part in 15/8! Everybody knows that 15/8 parties are the best and partying to punk in 4/4 is good for nothing.
> I compare it to computer programming. If you're going to get a job in > computers, no one is going to give it to you because they think you're > just a "regular guy." They will give it to you if they think you're the > best (or at least the best who showed up).
This is the most ridiculous analogy I've ever heard. I don't think I'll even bother explaining why it doesn't apply cause Korg already did so and I'm sure several others will as well.
Adam
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:28:16 +1100 From: "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: The Commercial Equation Message-ID: <002b01bf2fd1$de1ee420$470f000a@rainerpa>
This is something that has come up time and time again and this seems to be the main criticism of FII (which I love). Can someone explain the following equation to me?
commercial music = simple music = song orientated = bad music
Why is it a bad thing to get your point across in the least amount of time within the context of a song and have a lots of people like it? I think it takes some skill to write a good commercial song (more critics of commercial pop music should try it sometime). It seems to me that people are more critical of the perceived intent of the music (cynically, which may be to recruit more fans) than the music itself.
IMHO FII may have been an attempt to broaden DTs' audience by being more song orientated but after seeing the number units they were shifting (if I'm not mistaken, declining since Images & Words) they have realised what their "true" fan base is and decided to cater to their "real" audience giving us SFAM.
As always to be taken with a grain of salt,
Rainer
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:56:33 From: <ggii@subdimension.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Millions Get 10 to 20 Years Younger Message-ID: <338.32101.247913@alhh77.com>
Medial News -- Anti-aging Breakthrough
New scientific and medical breakthroughs, that can help millions of Americans better defend against the most devastating diseases of aging such as heart disease, cancer and stroke, are now available to the public. This news is important to every American and affects every American family.
Educate yourself. Get the facts now. Documentation beats conversation. Click here - www.asg2000.com -- to view the latest medical information on these breakthroughs on a comprehensive scientific Web site.
Medical experts report that aging is now classified as a disease -- a disease that can be prevented. Getting old isn't inevitable. The biological clock can now be turned back -- 10 to 20 years. A more vital, vibrant and healthy life is possible.
With the new scientific breakthrough products available to the public, you can also monitor your biological age and watch yourself turn the clock back 10, 15 even 20 years.
There is nothing to lose with these incredible products -- but years. You can prove that the products work with the laboratory test and the products are backed by a 90-day, 100-percent, money-back guarantee from one of the largest pharmaceutical laboratories in the United States.
Don't miss this opportunity to educate yourself. Click here - www.asg2000.com -- to go to the scientific information Web site and gather all the facts.
****** We apologize if you are not interested in medical news. The Internet is the fastest method of distributing this type of timely medical information. If you wish to have your e-mail address deleted from our scientific update database DO NOT USE THE REPLY BUTTON. Simply click here - www.asg2000.com -- and select the unsubscribe button at the top right side of the page.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:12:46 EST From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Xanadu Records URL??? Message-ID: <0.aeadfd31.2562179e@aol.com>
Hey gang -
Joe DiBella, you out there? If not, does anyone know the URL for Joe's Xanadu Records? I think I have an older outdated link:
At least I think that was his... I have the link saved in a text document with no description next to it. And now I go there and it doesn't look like a valid link anymore. Thanks in advance!!
- Matt T.
NP: Warrior Soul "Last Decade Dead Century"
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 18:15:35 PST From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: in defense of Charlie and WDADU Message-ID: <19991116021536.92090.qmail@hotmail.com>
I went back and listened to WDADU the other day, and I heard something that just wasn't there before. I can't put my finger on it, but it seemed much more sophisticated than it did before I heard SFAM. I thoroughly enjoyed it for the first time. On a similar but not directly related note(a twelfth note? a nineteenth note?), I must be the only person on this list who doesn't hate Charlie Dominici. Sure, he's no JL, and I wouldn't even call him a 'good' singer, but he's not so bad that he can't be tuned out, and even enjoyed sometimes. His biggest weakness, IMHO, is his blandness. (he's still not as bad as the Cairo guy, though) But like the cynic/prog/cookie monster vox thread, the emphasis is NOT on the vox, but on the music. As my nickname suggests, however, I'm a big bluegrass fan as well as prog, so I'm understandably tolerant about vocals in general (I still can't take Lester Flatt, though. He 'Charlie Dominicied' all those old Bill Monroe records)
-Banjoman
NP: Fates Warning-Still Life (this is the only FW disc I own, and I sure don't get why people think Ray Adler is better than James. Is there a better example of RA's vox I should check out?) ====================================================================== Is it illegal to yell "MOVIE!!!" in a crowded firehouse? ======================================================================
______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:36:56 +1100 From: "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5187 Message-ID: <3830C348.EFE9DB7@alphalink.com.au>
> Grow up? Bullshit. People trash musicians I like on this list EVERY DAY. > Like James. He's in the band we're supposed to LIKE for God's sake! And > Derek. No one stopped bashing him for two years. And might I add, the > topics "James sucks" and "Derek v. Kevin" are verboten according to the > FAQ. >
nah, the number of people who have been posting simply "Pink Floyd is shit" etc is just rediculous. I think theres a link between aggressive, stupid behaviour and not liking pink floyd.
> That's crap. Music isn't for "regular guys." It's for musicians. I'm not
thats the typical prog fan attitude but its wrong. anyone can make music that is powerful and moving. i recall many nights spent sitting up late with friends, where i am the only musician, and being amazed at the power that people can produce simply playing a drum or singing to three chord songs. in the end its probably not nearly as interesting, but if someone is making music that other people like then good for him, he's got every right to make the music. Music is for anyone who people are prepared to listen to. Remember one of the original points of rock and roll, which if i'm not mistaken Dream Theater occassionaly play, was that anyone could get up play and you didnt need to go to university for ten years to be able to make music. Sure in your commercial view of music Nirvana didn't do a whole lot of good for shredders and singers, but they are still an important part of the evolution and spirit of music.
On another note, there hasnt been a lot of talk about the new album lately. I was just thinking that this must be the best production I've heard from the band. I've heard mixed comments but I think its a much better sound than previous albums.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:11:15 EST From: Compadre32@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Dominicci isn't that Bad Message-ID: <0.35f69f5a.25623363@aol.com>
Charlie Dominicci showed that he really does have good voice on DT's cover of the Beatles' "Carry That Weight". I was suprised how good he sounded. I read somewhere that Dominicci really does have an exceptional voice, he just wasnt in the right type of music. He should have been a Billy Joel-esque performer. I have just found new respect for him.....also \, if he sucked, why would MP ask him to sing at his wedding???....just a thought.... btw....i didnt like his voice in WDADU......this new respect was found in listening to other recordings.
-Compadre-
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:17:19 EST From: Compadre32@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Attn: Progsnots Message-ID: <0.b84bcd9d.256234cf@aol.com>
To quote some other jammer i have deep respect for:
<>
Amen!!!!!.....stop the bashing and enjoy the damn music for once people.
-Compadre-
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 00:50:06 -0500 From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Did you record/take photos of a Europe '99 show? Message-ID: <4.2.1.19991116004936.00a94f40@po7.mit.edu>
Hey everyone,
If you recorded/took photos of a recent Dream Theater show from the Europe '99 tour (the Scenes From A Memory tour) and would like to share your recording/photos with us, I've set up an FTP site so you can upload your show/photos to Lines in the Sand!
FTP to: erotomania.mit.edu user: anonymous pass: your email address
change the directory to "/europe99" (cd /europe99) create a directory for your files and upload away!
Send me an email (bogie@mindstorm.com) to tell me what you uploaded so that I can give you credit! Thanks a ton and I'm looking forward to hearing from some of you!
-Bogie
--------------------------------- Dream Theater - Lines in the Sand http://dreamtheater.mit.edu/ ---------------------------------
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 01:31:24 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: vocal debate Message-ID: <0.3a8be054.2562543c@aol.com>
Everyone is talking about James/Charlie and vocalists and such so I figured I'd give my opinion. Just because someone has a good voice doesn't mean that the song is good (this has nothing to do with those 2 though). For example, look at Whitney Houston. Good voice, music is crap so what's the point? Same with Frank Sinatra. I may be treading on holy ground here but so be it. The guy did not write one song. Good voice but what's the point if it isn't his own stuff? I much rather hear a guy like Fred Durst sing sincerely with integrity than someone who just sings songs that others wrote for them. Basically what I'm trying to say here is that you can polish a terd all you want but in the end it's still a terd. I prefer singing when it comes from the heart, and if the vocals are great than fine but if they aren't it doesn't meant the song sucks. Also, David Gilmour IMO is one if the finest guitarists ever. He can say more with one note than most guitarists can with 20. I don't think JP would be as good as he is without being influenced by Gilmour.
-Mike
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 02:18:24 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: vocal debate Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9911160201340.7458-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 Fett2002@aol.com wrote:
> Everyone is talking about James/Charlie and vocalists and such so I > figured I'd give my opinion.
Dangerous choice, since these kind of debates and/or discussions are (as one jammer so succinctly put it) verboten. Well, at least arguing over whether one is better than the other (though for most there IS no argument) is.
> Just because someone has a good voice doesn't mean that the song is > good (this has nothing to do with those 2 though). For example, look > at Whitney Houston. Good voice, music is crap so what's the point?
I, for one, think she has an awful voice. Have you ever noticed that whenever she sings up beyond a certain point rangewise she has to shout everything? That's because she, like Mariah Carey, has treated her voice like shit in the past years and is now (well, and was then, too) paying for it. I think that anybody that treats a voice that has that kind of potential the way she did is NOT a good singer. A GOOD singer is somebody who can sing for years and years and not have to worry about not being able to sing anymore when they turn 50.
As for Mariah Carey, listen to her earlier stuff (the dog-whistle era) compared to her voice now. Now it's much more airy, and she hardly EVER goes high anymore. That's because she's basically blown out her vocal chords. Another bad singer IMO. That's why I am so glad for JLB's choice to study operatic singing techniques - he has insured that he will not ruin his voice (well, no more than one can while on tour) merely by singing. He'd have to do some serious damage to his chords by screaming to do any permanent damage.
> Same with Frank Sinatra. I may be treading on holy ground here but so > be it. The guy did not write one song. Good voice but what's the point > if it isn't his own stuff?
It's not that this is holy ground, but you're kinda comparing apples and oranges here. The stuff Sinatra sang - jazz standards - and the fact that he didn't sing many REAL ballads, not like the ones we have nowadays, mean that he wasn't REQUIRED to sing with that kind of emotion. The kind of music he sang was feel-good music, for the most part. I don't really think you're being fair by offering this kind of argument.
> I much rather hear a guy like Fred Durst sing sincerely with integrity > than someone who just sings songs that others wrote for them.
I don't understand this statement. Why is it that you can't sing songs that other people wrote with feeling? I am a vocalist, and I have never written a vocal song. But at the same time, I can take a piece of Lieder by Schubert and sing with REAL feeling, and though it may or may not be the same kind of feeling that Schubert wanted in the song, I may have an interesting, individual idea of what feeling was going on in the piece. I see no problems in this whatsoever - the fact that Schubert wrote it has nothing to do with whether or not it can be sung by anybody else but him.
> Basically what I'm trying to say here is that you can polish a terd > all you want but in the end it's still a terd.
So a bad song can't be improved by a good singer? First of all, what are you defining as a "good singer" here? Somebody who hits all the notes correctly? Or, conversely, somebody who puts a tremendous amount of feeling into a song and doesn't hit a single note? I think they have to go hand in hand for a person to be called a good singer.
For example: When I was in high school, my jazz band did an arrangement of "Birdland" (one of my all-time favorite tunes, still). After the performance, I got SEVERAL comments that were something like this: "I am NOT a fan of that song, but I LOVE the way you guys did it." In other words, the song was bad in that person's opinion, but the way that we performed it was done in such a way that it appealed to this person's sense of aesthetics. In other words, we took this person's idea of a "turd" and polished it to the point that it was a diamond. Well, maybe not a diamond, maybe just some graphite, but it definitely wasn't a turd anymore.
> I prefer singing when it comes from the heart, and if the vocals are > great than fine but if they aren't it doesn't meant the song sucks.
Sure, I can agree with this. A singer doesn't have to be world-class to make a song good. Take just about ANY of Bob Dylan's stuff - the guy, while having an interesting singing voice, ISN'T a good singer. But IMHO, all of his songs (well, mostly all) are classics.
> Also, David Gilmour IMO is one if the finest guitarists ever. He can > say more with one note than most guitarists can with 20. I don't think > JP would be as good as he is without being influenced by Gilmour.
So does that mean that JP is less of a guitarist because he's been "influenced" by Gilmour? That's what it appears that you are saying - that Gilmour is better because he wasn't influenced in the same way that JP was. I don't think it's the influence of a certain person that counts, it's what you DO with that knowledge and influence to make yourself a better player. In this case, I feel that JP has taken all of what he has learned from different guitarists, refined what he wanted to include in his own techniques, and come out with a different finished product. That doesn't mean he's any better or any worse, just that he has a different point of view, and as such a different final technique. Nothing wrong with that in my eyes.
/me thinks it's time for him to sleep - got fencing class in the morning.
NP: Dream Theater - A Change of Seasons - Another World
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- "No one wants to fuck with a crazy person. If someone tries to mug you, The best thing you can do is take out your money, and piss on it while mumbling and ranting. Chances are, they'll get scared and leave you alone. Of course, you'll have to wash your money." - Norman Calkin, on urban survival -------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:22:57 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: ProgPower photos are up :) Message-ID: <199911160722.AA01422@crl.crl.com>
A lurking old-timer here, just noting that I went over to Holland for the Progpower festival last night... I'm back (and somehow awake) and I'm busily posting photos from the shows, plus some.....other, odder shots. You'll note quite a few SFAM tour shirts in these photos; DT shirts, from the ongoing tour, were there in plenty. (I'm the guy wearing the old Ytsejam mailing list shirt, the red one.)
Depending on how much longer I can stay awake, you'll either find a directory with photo jpg's, or a directory with jpg's and a readme.txt file, or maybe I'll post a quickie index file in HTML. It was a great idea for a show and a reasonably sizeable crowd turned up. Bands who played and who I liked were Superior, Lemur Voice, Pain of Salvation (all of whom I know and love), Mayadome, Evergrey and Wolverine (all bands I hadn't heard before, but I will soon).
http://www.crl.com/~vanyel/images/progpowr
Also got to meet quite a few Ytsejammers for the first time, including GaZ (Graham) from Australia, Bobke (Bart) from Belgium, STiX (Dennis) from Netherlands -- thanks for the ride to Tilburg -- and several people from the Perpetual Motion msg board. And, of course, I'm not counting the several Ytsejammers, performers in bands, who PLAYED at the show :)
--{+----------------------
airfare to/from Amsterdam and Atlanta: $470 Ticket to the show: $22 (!) Ticket for 2-hr train ride, Tilburg to Amsterdam-Schiphol: $15 Sausage roll and apple juice at restaurant at Schiphol Airport: $9 Expression on Lemur Voice lead singer Gregoor Van Der Loo's face when I presented him with a 2-CD Ozrics bootleg: priceless. :)
-- + Paul W. Cashman vanyel@crl.com www.crl.com/~vanyel ICQ #4151223+ | Rush * Robert Jordan * Godhead * Michael Moorcock * Changelings | | James P. Hogan * Dream Theater * Robert Heinlein * NIN * Dead | | Can Dance * Patrick O'Brian * Ozric Tentacles * Raymond Feist....|
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:08:41 -0800 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Cologne - A full review (maybe spoilers) Message-ID: <38318F99.5415@fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi gang,
The concert in Cologne (Koeln) was the best DT show I've ever seen. After reading the reviewes from Hamburg, Hannover & Brussels I din't expected such a incredible preformance !
Here is a review:
The City : Cologne (Koeln) in Germany The venue : A hall called "Palladium". This place has been build in 1998.
It seems like that in the past 2-3 years, DT have got lot of new fans in Germany. As I stode in the line, everone was watching my AWAKE/LIE long sleve shirt. They ask me where the hell I could get a DT shirt ! In the crowd I saw "Kurt Cocain" & "Dog Eat Dog" tshirts and lot of "Iron Maiden" & "Savatage". Some of the new fans dind't even know the song titles. They were taking like "I like the 5th track from the 97er album" and so on.
Any way, the wall was almost packed with 3000-4000 people I guess. Before TILES came on the stage, some music has been played thourgh the PA. I could hear a remix of Rush's Tom Sawyer and 2-3 songs from Neal Mores solo album.
TILES were quit good. Much better that I expected (I've only hear their first album before). The drumer was really good. I liked their songs especially the instrumental sections. Only the singer was a bit too 80's like (if you know what I mean) The crowds respones was also ok. They played for album 45 min.
In the 25 min break after Tiles, some instrumental musis has veen played through the PA. Ever one has asked: "What is this" ! I MEAN ARE YOU PROG MUSIC FAN OR ONLY A METAL HEAD. THE INSTRUMENTAL SONGS ARE FROM "THE FLOWER KINGS". Check them out. It's funny, if they would play old Iron Maiden or Manowar I couldn't recall it but when they play PROG I'm the man :-)))
Anyway, before DT came on stage, a beutiful keyboard / Piano intro was played. I think it's a Jordan Rudess composition. Some people were screaming: Metropolis, Metropolis, Metropolis ... and then Met I begann.
The setlist was the same as the other shows. DT had lot of fun playing in the front of a great crowd. James mentoined this 2 or 3 times during the show. The mix was perfect and you could hear everyone. JORDAN IS GOD. It's unbeliveble what he can do with 10 finger on ONLY 1 KEYBOARD. He adds so much to DT's music. During Hollow Years, Jordan was playing some Orchestral part for the background. It was fantastic. His Keyboard solo is from another world. Awesome, Awesome.
By the was during the 110 min show, 4 - 5 kids had a collapse !!! The security guys throw them out of the crowd and brought them to the medical room. I was in the first row and I can tell you, there was a lot of presure from some M F "asis". The best place was where the guys from the German Fan club stood. In a ballcon over the hall. LIKE THE ROYAL FAMALY :-)
I bought a t-shirt for 40 DM with the cover of SFAM on the front saying: Metropolis 2000.
After all a superb concert, maybe a bit too short but I could stay longer so it wasn't bad that the only player for 110 min.
Oh I was there with my brother and my MOTHER (She loves DT and this was here first concert ever). My brother got a Stick directly from Mr. Portnoy. Thank you Mike.
Sorry, but my English isn't that good.
NP : G3 Live in concert.
Arash -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page | | | | DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY | | | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1748/ | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | The Eyes Of Universe - The Official EMPTY TREMOR Fan Club Site | | | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1794/ | | | | by Arash and Arman Ashouriha email: ashouria@kr.fh-niederrhein.de |
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 02:22:43 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Pissing the pink wall Message-ID: <3830B1E3.96157E57@mol.com.mk>
> From: szebro1@gl.umbc.edu > > > I defy ANYONE to be so supid as to pretend that Animals or The > > Wall are passive. You could construct an argument for DSotM, WYWH > > and TDB being layed back, but passive isn't really fair. > > Why isn't it fair? You can agree or disagree, but why is > saying one thing "fair" and another "not fair?"
Because there's difference. We talk about facts, not tastes. And that "PF are one of the greatest bands ever and has impact in the music" is a fact!
> I can't say for Animals, 'cause I don't know anything > about that album, but as for The Wall: ZZZZzzzzzzzz... > And it's a shame, too, because the story is really good. It's just > too bad the music seems to lead up to something for an hour, and > then at the end...nothing. Kind of like gilmour's solos.
.. and he continued sewing his pearls ...
Did you watch the movie THE WALL? After that you'll be horrified how much sense does all make. And you'll see how great concept album WALL is.
> > >If you can't recognize or at least respect (not liking) the > > >greatness of Pink Floyd then SHUT UP and don't make stupid > > >threads! And grow up will ya? > > Amen. Cheers, CD. > > Grow up? Bullshit. People trash musicians I like on this list EVERY DAY.
So what? DT are still not in a position as Pink Floyd is! Although they surely climb the stairs. :) And it happens to be that "musicians you like" were in a way inspired by The Wall for making SFAM. The time is the biggest proof about PF. The "grow up" was reffering to not bash artists which are KNOWN as legends, pioneers, giants ... you and your opinions don't have access there! You can choose to not like it, you don't have right to bash it!!! Furthermore, you just bury yourself more and more by coming up with such silly proofs of yours that Wall and Gilmour sucks. You can bet on that.
Noone takes you the right to choose what you like. But saying PF is bullshit is just plain moronic. THAT you don't have right on.
Like that manager guy who entered all the music history books with his famous "Guitar music isn't IN anymore, it's outdated", when he was proposed to give Beatles a chance! He could simply say he don't want them, but instead he crucified himself by coming up with that "proof" pearl. And now we all laugh at him.
P.S. Gee, look at ACOS, there's this stupid little track ...
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:13:44 CET From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: the staring audience, 6 o'clock Message-ID: <19991116091344.43791.qmail@hotmail.com>
hi all, that standing and staring audience comes, I guess naturally, since DT are technically just 200% better musicians than 98% of the audience and it takes a certain maturity to accept that and go on with life (or practice). I thought though that hannover was a big improvement compared to hamburg. in hamburg audiences are usually cooler and more reserved, hannover was way more fun. as i said a week some days ago, yes, it was darn loud and yes, the keys weren't, the show rocked more than hamburg. i wonder, if cologne now was way better than hannover, how many shows do they need to be at the real top of their game. again, i didn't perceive and bad vibes in hannover.
does anyone have a boot,in which Portnoy plays the 9/32nd double bass fills like he does on the album? later, seb
______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:17:18 CET From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: review in German newspaper, discuss Message-ID: <19991116091718.13111.qmail@hotmail.com>
hi all, I took the pains to translate this shit. It was in the Hamburger Morgenpost on Mon,November 8th and Mike and James whom I gave a little summary did not like it.
<insert picture> Only one of them dare to wear a modern short cut: Dream Theater
About Perfection and Precision (headline)
How much thought through does progmetal have to be, how emotional is it allowed to be? Unit recently this was the decisive question if somebody wanted to rank Dream Theater next to Queensryche and Fates Warning. So far, Dream Theater characterized itself through analytic precision and intellectual elegance. Their lively perfection could be watched with astonished eyes, but fans‘ hearts were captured only slowly – the fragile solidarity of one Geoff Tate was not only missing, but also nullified. Thus it is the more remarkable that the guys left their protective cage, which they had constructed mostly with the perfect Awake, for their new album Scenes from a Memory. One can relax – Mike Portnoy & Co. are from this world and made of flesh & blood. This look - not new but modified - fits them, the mentioned concept album Scenes from a Memory pinpoints their Operation Mindcrime. With the important insight that James LaBrie does not have the ability to unmask himself as rewardingly as Geoff Tate... Jan Michael Dix
______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:47:13 +0100 From: Richard <karies@wxs.nl> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: "Open your eyes Victoria" Message-ID: <38313631.AF6@wxs.nl>
I was just wondering...every single time I listen to "Scenes from a Memory" there are some serious shivers running up and down me throughout the shooting scene in "Finally Free", climaxing when the voice goes "Open your eyes Victoria"... Do any of you have that too? And I don't mean metaphorical or mental shivers, no, genuine polar-quality physical shivers. This is one fine album. -- \= Richard Karsmakers - richard@fortysecond.net - ICQ #18645533 =/ | STNICCC2000; Dawn Crosby; GWAR; Diskmags; Shred Guitar; Allies | | "ST NEWS"; "W3M3"; "Twilight World"; Plantiac; "UVK 2000" | | FOG; Detente; Fear of God; Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged | | P.O. Box 67, NL-3500 AB, Utrecht - The Netherlands | /===--------------- http://www.fortysecond.net ---------------===\
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:43:06 EST From: "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: A few guitarists to check out . . . (NDTC) Message-ID: <19991116134306.98112.qmail@hotmail.com>
I sent something like this to the LV maillist too, but I thought I'd mention it here...
If you like Greg Howe, and also like heavier music (and of course you do, if you're on this maillist . . .) check out Prashant Aswani (www.prashantaswani.com). His tone is similar to Howe's, and so is his playing style, but he's on a bit of a different level -- More aggressive in his playing. Not better, just more aggressive. They use different equipment and all, but their tone is still really close. I think Prashant must've learned a lot of stuff from Howe's records, I think the influence really shows. I don't know for sure though.
I also bought a CD from Jaye Foucher, a female GIT grad who does the progressive rock/metal thing. She's not a super speed demon from what I've heard from the samples, but her music sounds cool... I'll let you know what I think of the album when I get it in a couple days...
Finally I got a CD from a dude who's last name is Nagaoka (sp?) He does a lot of minor sweeps and stuff, and also has some lyrical stuff going on in his solos ... he uses ESP Horizons, which caught my eye since I play one of those myself. :)
So anyway, check out http://www.prashantaswani.com http://www.jayefoucher.com and http://members.aol.com/NHNagaoka ... I think I got all those URLs right. You might wind up buying some new CDs, all of them are available at http://www.guitar9.com
Happy listening!
Jeff
______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
------------------------------
End of YTSEJAM Digest 5188 **************************
This archive was generated by hypermail 2b30 : Thu Apr 01 2004 - 19:07:52 EST