YTSEJAM Digest 5187
Today's Topics:
1) Brussels gig
by pieter.serruys@sidmar.be
2) Re: Stevie Z Rocks the Blues (was Spelling)
by David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com
3) Re: side projects
by "Daniel T. Chen" <daniel_chen@unc.edu>
4) Stuff
by Giannotti Nick Contr ESC/JS <Nick.Giannotti@hanscom.af.mil>
5) The ProGtologist's music experiment
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5186
by Martin <newmln@yahoo.com>
7) Annihilator; DT Ballads
by Vince French <vincefrench@yahoo.com>
8) Guitar amplifiers (NDTC)
by "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com>
9) Some more highly subjective thoughts about the shows in Hannover and Cologne
by "Andreas Berger" <aberger@waf-online.de>
10) Pay closer attention for some Morse-esque stylings! :)
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
11) talent
by szebro1@gl.umbc.edu
12) cologne
by "Gregor" <uzs9pl@uni-bonn.de>
13) A rhetorical insight into the mind of a "regular person"
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
14) New York City shows
by Stephen LaMonica <sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu>
15) Obligatory Cynic reference
by Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
16) Re: Obligatory Spiral Architect reference:)
by Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
17) re: Annihilator
by hipodilski_@web.bg
18) Re: A rhetorical insight into the mind of a "regular person"
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
19) Re: A rhetorical insight into the mind of a "regular person"
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
20) RE: cologne
by "Verhoef, Pieter-Joost" <Pieter-Joost.Verhoef@nl.origin-it.com>
21) james
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
22) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5186
by Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:02:14 +0100
From: pieter.serruys@sidmar.be
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Brussels gig
Message-ID: <4125682A.003192E2.00@nsgate1>
Hi all,
I know it's a bit late but I'd still like to post a comment on the Brussels
gig.
I thought the most spectacular light effect was JP's rig. :)
Pieter
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:07:32 -0500
From: David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@torchsong.com" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Stevie Z Rocks the Blues (was Spelling)
Message-ID: <199911150707_MC2-8D18-5675@compuserve.com>
> Mel C (sporty spice) has a really good voice. There, I mentioned it.
I second that, the only dubious thing is she is part of a manufactured
band.
More on DTGirl2612 MP clinic review.
On MP Clinic review in Rhythm it was said that after listening to 5
hours of drumming previous to MP coming on it might have been a bit
too much for people to handle, lets face it MP style is no four to the
floor, and the reviewer did say quote 'Arguably the biggest musical
voice of the day', not a slating really.
David C
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:43:26 -0500
From: "Daniel T. Chen" <daniel_chen@unc.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: side projects
Message-ID: <38301C0E.51874729@unc.edu>
Martin wrote:
>
> I don't thinks so. I think LTE was really, really the
> best, then Platypus and Mullmuzzler. Working Man and
> Explorers Club are better than Plat. and Mull. but
> they were not side projects.
Huh? I thought Explorers Club *was* a side project, unlike Working Man,
which was a "tribute"...
In any case, Explorers Club is amazing, contains some of JP's excellent
shred/groove licks, yadda yadda, etc. Mullmuzzler is also good in a
more straight-ahead rock style.
Does anyone here like gothic/doom? I just obtained the new Tristania,
and it is simply amazing!! Easily their best work.
http://www.tristania.com/ if you're interested...
BTW, the new build of the Quake 3 demo rocks!! Just thought I'd let you
all know. =)
-- Daniel T. Chen chenda@cs.unc.edu NP : Tristania - Opus Relinque------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:18:14 -0500 From: Giannotti Nick Contr ESC/JS <Nick.Giannotti@hanscom.af.mil> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Stuff Message-ID: <390762D98D63D2118C280060081358CC0146693C@hamsxha2.hanscom.af.mil>
I'm just gonna recap shit that's been flying for the past week or so. Suffer.
1. Floyd sucks. Gilmour's shit. 2. Side Project Ranking: LTE2, LTE, Mullmuzzler, Platypus 3. Anyone else out there into Jeffrey Gaines? I can't get enough of this dude's music, for some reason. "Hero in Me" has to be one of the best songs written EVER. I'm totally getting into more mellow styles of music lately, like Gaines, Toad the Wet Sprocket, The Waterboys ("Whole of the Moon" ranks with "Hero in Me"), George Champlin (a local dude)... do I have a degenerative nerve disease that's making me like this stuff? :) 4. I've never heard Tiles: anyone know of any good websites to download an mp3 sample? With all the talk of them recently, I'm interested (I just hope I'm not as utterly disappointed as I was when I heard Spocks Beard). 5. VH with Sammy was the best incarnation of that band. While Gary was, IMO, a better singer, he didn't fit with the band. Diamond Dave should stick to the Vegas Side Show.
Give Nick a bottle of anything, an' a glazed donut - TO GO!
Nicholas Giannotti x6745 Joint STARS Contracts / JSK System Resources Corporation giannottin@hanscom.af.mil
"Build a man a fire, he is warm for a day. Set him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life." "Who gossips to you will gossip of you."
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:34:03 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: The ProGtologist's music experiment Message-ID: <383027EB.3F355D32@isd.net>
Greetings fellow Jamsters,
Friday night I had six friends over for a night of music, male buffoonery, and THC enhanced conversation. Myself and one other friend I would classify as focused listeners. Two other friends are what I call a semi-attentive listeners. The remaining three were garden variety background music listeners.
The Guests: <The listeners normal music interests> 21 year old male. (Pantera - Alice in Chains - Megadeth - Bruce Dickinson) 34 year old male. (The dude that turned me on to DT!) I turned him on to Fates, Superior, Symphony X, Spock's, and Jon Finn... 40 year old male. (Yes - Al DiMeola - Flim and the BB's - Pink Floyd - Rush) 36 year old male. (AC/DC - Triumph - Styx - Dire Straights - Pink Floyd) 27 year old male. (Metallica - Primus - Motley Crue - Queensryche) 37 year old male. (The Beetles - Genesis - The Offspring - Rush - Judas Priest)
The music: Goldilox - Black Flag --King's X Chemical Wedding --Bruce Dickinson (In it's entirety) Tracks 6 through 9 --Engine Flow - Mouth of Madness --Spock's Beard The Truth ain't kind - Why --Superior War Pigs - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath --Black Sabbath The Ivory Gate Of Dreams --Fates Warning ("No Exit" version) Tracks 1 through 8 --SFaM Brothers in Arms (Title track only) --Dire Straights Time And A Word - The Fish (Studio versions) --YES
As the evening progressed <grin> I kept a close watch on who and when my guests were being captivated my the music. The results were different than I had expected....
King's X: A few "Who's this?" and some intense toe tapping.
Bruce Dickinson: One "Is this Maiden?" but not much action.. Or complaints.
Engine: Some artist inquisition and some good head and body groovin'.
Spock's Beard: Some positive comments.. But conversation increased as the listeners lost interest.. :( No complaints though.
Superior: Many positive comments and some great moments of silence as dazzled listeners closed their mouths and opened their ears.
Black Sabbath: A few "That's a great tune" but interest was lost quickly and conversation increased.
Fates Warning: By the three minute mark of IGoD, ALL conversation STOPPED! One guy asked: "Who is this?" only to be shushed by another... This I was not expecting... Many comments about the vocals and guitar and bass playing.
Dream Theater: Great guest feedback! Some killer dog-heard-a-funny-noise head tilts! Minimal conversation with a few "Back that up, I gotta hear that again" requests.
Dire Straights: Almost total silence..
Yes: Good overall feedback mixed with one "The singer sounds like a Fag" comment. (from the AC/DC and Triumph fan of the crowd) Go figure...
The evening was packed full of surprises... and an awesome buzz. :0) The show stealers were Superior, Fates Warning, and Dream Theater. A bit strange considering the mixed company... I really think it's ALL a mater of exposure.
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You come into the world headfirst. You go out feet first. Everything in between is a matter of balance.
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:27:36 -0800 (PST) From: Martin <newmln@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5186 Message-ID: <19991115162736.21328.rocketmail@web1604.mail.yahoo.com>
<<ALso, am i the only one who believes that Charlie Dominici was a quality vocalist? Now that man has talent....Why did they drop him? Look at songs like The Killing HAnd, he hits such amazing notes, such amazing range.... >>
this is a joke, I HOPE!!! The only reason I don't listen to WDADU is Mr. Dominici
Martin
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:40:34 -0800 (PST) From: Vince French <vincefrench@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Annihilator; DT Ballads Message-ID: <19991115164034.14394.rocketmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com>
Hey jammers,
HeinV said: >Any Annihilator fans out there?
Yeah! They're great! Incredibly tight, and I love the guitarist's sound. I haven't heard much from them since Never, Neverland, but they were definitely a great Canadian band. If you like heavier edge progressive metal, check them out.
On another topic, I was pondering DT;s ballads the other day. Here's my conclusion:
Ever since KevMo left, I don't like their ballads, especially the guitar based ones. The only ones I enjoy are Another Day, Wait For Sleep, and Space-Dye Vest. I hate Silent Man, HOllow Years, TAMP, the ones on SFAM, Anna Lee, etc... I think KevMo was definitely the man for slow piano pieces. Just something about JP's guitar ballad style that I don't like. Just an observation.
Vince
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 11:44:04 EST From: "Jeff Storck" <jtstor@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Guitar amplifiers (NDTC) Message-ID: <19991115164404.69396.qmail@hotmail.com>
I was surfing around on the web today, and wondered what you all thought of Egnater amps, specifically the TOL 50 and TOL 100.
Anyone own one of these, or know people that own 'em, and/or have opinions on these amps?
Thanks!
Jeff
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 17:45:26 +0100 From: "Andreas Berger" <aberger@waf-online.de> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Some more highly subjective thoughts about the shows in Hannover and Cologne Message-ID: <01bf2f88$d16247c0$LocalHost@p100>
Hi there, after yesterday's awesome show in Cologne I somehow feel better talking about my disappointment with the one in Hannover a few days earlier: I was really looking forward to seeing my favourite band again and I had a really good position in the crowd where I could see eveyone on stage. Everything seemed great. Still I have to say that this was probably the DT show that I've enjoyed the least of all the ones I've seen so far (exactly a dozen since yesterday). Please note that I didn't say it was a really bad show, but I didn't feel nearly as enthusiastic afterward as usually. Maybe it was the bad sound (much too loud and distorted), maybe it was my impression that the band wasn't really *there* that evening, maybe it was just me. I can't really put my finger on it, but I felt disappointed, and after reading mixed reviews about the following two shows in Holland and Belgium I wasn't expecting that much from the show in Cologne.
Fast forward to yesterday: The venue was much larger, it was pretty packed, I stood much further away from the stage, and I couldn't really see that much. And still that show was so much better than the one on Tuesday. The sound had improved dramatically (the right volume, plenty of Jordan in the mix), the lightshow was much more impressive (obviusly due to the bigger venue), the audience seemed more enthusiastic. I also had the impression that the band had more fun playing, even though I was too far away to make out details like possible dirty looks at the "mike-swinging-guy". ;-)
The setlist was as expected the same as before, but Jordan played a really cool solo at the end of JLMB that I don't seem to remember from Tuesday's show. His regular solo at the end of the instrumental medley and JP's semi-acoustic solo before HY also seemed longer but I might be mistaken there. And even though I'm a bit sick of hearing PMU live, I have to admit that the new little 'speed part' is really cool...
To make it short: Yesterday I've seen the DT that I've known. Hannover seemed (to me at least) like a warm-up, Cologne was the real thing. It sucked that I had such a bad view to the stage, but that's hardly the band's fault. ;-) I'd love to have that show on cd or video. And I still want to know what that instumental music between Tiles and DT is...
Take Care, Andreas
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:20:45 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Pay closer attention for some Morse-esque stylings! :) Message-ID: <002701bf2f8d$c362f5c0$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
>band's fault. ;-) I'd love to have that show on cd or video. And I still >want to know what that instumental music between Tiles and DT is...
I wouldn't be surprised if Mike's not showcasing some of he new stuff from his SMPTe project. (or whatever it's called now). I can't wait for that one. :) It's gotta be some kickass stuff. :) -- KorgX3 scans the possibilities.
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 12:30:03 -0500 (EST) From: szebro1@gl.umbc.edu To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: talent Message-ID: <199911151730.MAA1093198@gl.umbc.edu>
> >the M1 references, seemed to me, a bit corny. > 110% agreed. And that's [the above] putting it politely.
Well what the hell do you want them to sound like?
> >Think we had enough of Pink Floyd haters posts damn it! ;o( > >We don't care if you agree with someone hating Pink Floyd. We don't >need > >your explanations how the music is so passive, how Gilmour was a >lousy > >guitarist and he couldn't play a good solo for more than 10 >seconds etc. > I defy ANYONE to be so supid as to pretend that Animals or The Wall are > passive. You could construct an argument for DSotM, WYWH and TDB being layed > back, but passive isn't really fair.
Why isn't it fair? You can agree or disagree, but why is saying one thing "fair" and another "not fair?"
I can't say for Animals, 'cause I don't know anything about that album, but as for The Wall: ZZZZzzzzzzzz...
And it's a shame, too, because the story is really good. It's just too bad the music seems to lead up to something for an hour, and then at the end...nothing. Kind of like gilmour's solos.
> As for anyone thinking David Gilmour to be a shit guitarist... > Fuck you and the horse you rode on. He blew all over Steve Howe.
How? Howe is the superior player and composer. I just wish he weren't so damn conceited. That's where Gilmour has him beat. Attitude.
> >That's your problem. > >If you can't recognize or at least respect (not liking) the greatness >of > >Pink Floyd then SHUT UP and don't make stupid threads! > >And grow up will ya? > Amen. Cheers, CD.
Grow up? Bullshit. People trash musicians I like on this list EVERY DAY. Like James. He's in the band we're supposed to LIKE for God's sake! And Derek. No one stopped bashing him for two years. And might I add, the topics "James sucks" and "Derek v. Kevin" are verboten according to the FAQ.
> >- Some people bash James' singing style, just because > >it is "out of style". With all the hip-hop and low > >growling, James sounds too much like a relic from the > >80's to some people. > I think it just sounds too much like talent and hard work to some people.
Amen. that's the real reason people don't like him. Slacker culture tells us that it is ok to frown upon effort. That's why people like these "vocalists" who can't even sing, like Fred Durst. (Yep, I'm bashing him.) Everyone wants to see just "regular guys" up there onstage.
"...wow, look at Fred Durst (or any of the dozen other hacks on the charts right now that think just because they have a larynx they can front a band) up there onstage. he doesn't sound like some opera singer. he's just a regular guy..."
That's crap. Music isn't for "regular guys." It's for musicians. I'm not saying you have to be a career musician and study music formally. If you want to go to your job every day and practice a couple times a week and KEEP YOUR CHOPS UP so you don't sound like a no-talent schlub, that's great. No lack of integrity there. But this 90's trend of (for lack of a better word) SUCKING is disgusting. Thanks for nothing, Ramones. Thanks for nothing, Nirvana.
I compare it to computer programming. If you're going to get a job in computers, no one is going to give it to you because they think you're just a "regular guy." They will give it to you if they think you're the best (or at least the best who showed up).
To all the people out there who don't like singers like James (or guitarists like Petrucci or whatever) because they think he's "trying to hard": as 01/01/00 rolls around and every computer in the world is about to crash (which is never going to happen, btw) and the guy who works on your bank's main file server sits there playing Doom while your bank account turns to $0.00, I hope you can look at him and just say, "wow, look at him. He's just a regular guy."
> and content, and secondly, it is only really worth buying if you are on > the YTSEJAM, or my mother. and of course, the obvious problem, the
Wow, I really read this wrong. I thought I couldn't get a shirt because I want on your mother... I better start reading more carefully... :P
Steve Z
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 18:54:01 +0100 From: "Gregor" <uzs9pl@uni-bonn.de> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: cologne Message-ID: <000001bf2f92$d6e00700$9806fea9@flor>
Hi all,
just some comments about the gig in cologne...
well, first of all it was amazing to hear the guys again after nearly 2 years, and like always, they totally blew me away.
well, i don=B4t know how other people think about it, but i hate people i= n the audience that stand right in front of the crowd just watching, without moving and showing any emotions. Don=B4t get me wrong, of course DT is a = band i could watch 3 hours just wondering how they do it, but thats not why i = go to a concert. The atmosphere is much better, so i like to move, to sing, = to mosh, call it whatever u want. But especially in DT concerts there are so many people just standing there, doing nothing to create an atmosphere, which in my opinion is also important to the band, for it shows them that the people are with them. Why don=B4t those guys just step back, look from a distance and leave the place in front of the stage to the peole that like to have real fun? Or why they just don=B4t buy a video or go to a clinic? There were people complaining because they get some hair in the face, was so ridiculous. An= d other that would have loved to move, but couldn=B4t because they were surrounded by those starers, who also refused to let them pass. The fact that the music is so complex doesn=B4t make it undanceable, it m= akes it more interesting. And i truly believe that DT prefer a cheering crowd = to a staring, because it doesn=B4t make a difference in understanding the mu= sic. It shows them that the people are with them, that the effort they make is appreciated, that they do something the people like. I think that is important, even for such perfect musicians. Guess i will see them in luxembourg again, hope the audience will be bett= er and they will play longer.
So far
Gregor
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 11:39:49 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: A rhetorical insight into the mind of a "regular person" Message-ID: <001f01bf2f98$d30ad460$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
>How? Howe is the superior player and composer. I just wish he weren't >so damn conceited. That's where Gilmour has him beat. Attitude.
And Howe just looks fucked up, too. I can't watch Howe play without cracking up. What with that chameleon thing going on where one eye's stuck looking at the fretboard and the other's following some fly around the room. I just wait for his tongue to lash out and lick his eyeball to moisten it. It never does, though. :(
Personally I think Gilmour is superior in the "feel" department and that's all that really matters to me. Not saying that Gilmour isn't sloppy, he just slops with finesse. I'd rather listen to Gilmour over Howe anyday, although I like alot of Howe's stuff, too.
>That's crap. Music isn't for "regular guys." It's for musicians. I'm not >saying you have to be a career musician and study music formally. If you
Nah, that's bullshit. In our own little fantasy world, maybe, but not in reality.
(The computer programmer theory) >just a "regular guy." They will give it to you if they think you're the >best (or at least the best who showed up).
This doesn't apply to music. Music is a "performance art" not a technical field. It's not about how much theory you know and how to apply it. If people like your "art" then you become a popular artist. A person isn't required to have a Master's Degree in Literature to write a screenplay. A person doesn't have to watch the "Happy fluffy cloud" guy on PBS for years before he's a serious painter. "Regular people" appreciate simple artwork as much as, if not more, than the intricate stuff by the learned folks.
"Regular people" are usually just too lazy to attempt to try and interpret something they can't understand right away. It explains why people listen to Metallica over Dream Theater, prefer to watch professional wrestling over a ballet, read Guns & Ammo instead of Shakespeare. True artists always tend to weave a depth into their works that average, undisciplined people would likely never understand and that's why true artistic ability is only appreciated by other artists. The only thing you can do is attempt to lend your own sight to other people, rather than bitch at them that they can't see. If they don't appreciate your help, then let them walk out in front of a truck. :)
Anyway, enough of my philosophy. It gets to be contagious. -- KorgX3 NP: Angra - Fireworks
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:48:36 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen LaMonica <sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: New York City shows Message-ID: <199911151848.NAA14319@polaris.sju.edu.sju.edu>
I wouldn't count on any NYC shows.....I am from Long Island, they have typically played at clubs on the Island like the Vanderbuilt off of the LIE and Mulcahys in Wantagh. Keep an eye out for some smaller venues in NYC like the Roseland, but I am guessing they will do mainly shows on the Island when they come to New York Stephen La Monica
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 11:43:10 -0800 (PST) From: Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Obligatory Cynic reference Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.991115112343.17592A-100000@slam.cds.caltech.edu>
On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 ytsejam@torchsong.com wrote:
> From: Benjamin James Gateno <bg003i@mail.rochester.edu> > > It's REALLY ccol that there are some Cynic fans here (especially one named > Sasha...I have the coolest cat in the world...named Sasha!). People > always rag on them because of the Death vocals. I understand I guess but > that seems to be the only thing people comment on, totally missing out > that they're KILLER musicians (I actually like Sean Reinert WAY more than > Portnoy, but that's my opinion.) Yeah, I think that's the biggest shame about people who pass on checking out Cynic. Focus is a phenomenal CD, and has influenced some ridiculous number of other musicians too. People hear about the "growling vox", though, and I guess that's too much to overcome. I just don't understand that. I mean, I don't like singing general all that much, but I think I've gotten pretty good at tuning it out when I listen to any of my CDs (especially melodic vox, because I find growling vox are easier to tune out).
Another poster (forget the name) also mentioned something in his post about how growling vox seem to sort of add something to the music (I hope I'm paraphrasing correctly!). I feel differently about it. To my ears, growling vox take away less from the music. Among the CDs in my collection that feature such vox (Cynic, Atheist, Death, Meshuggah, plus others I'm sure) the emphasis is VERY clearly on the music, and the vocals/lyrics seem to be added as sort of an afterthought. On such CDs, there is ALWAYS a lot of stuff going on, so much so that the vocals never really dominate the music at all (making the vocals easier to ignore). It's too bad some people will never hear it. There is some vicious and innovative stuff going on.
> Aghora is the answer to haters of cookie monster vocals. The female > vocals are THE coolest things I've heard since, well, the new DT. I can't > wait to get my hands on that album. Agree with you here. The Spiral Architect CD (another Cynic-influenced band), when it comes out, should also be pretty mind-blowing.
> I'm sorry that I don't have the url, but on Sean Malone's site he has > clips of Jason Gobel cutting a part for the next Gordian Knot disc. (I > unfortunately do not have the first one...but I intend to get it..I > swear!!). Just think, 3/4 of Cynic back together!!! Paul Masvidal has > just got to hook up rekindle the flames of IMO the most intense prog band > ever. (I'm NOT ragging on DT, so don't clutter the list lecturing me!). Not just that, but there was also talk (on Malone's own site) of re-uniting the Focus line-up to record a live Cynic CD. It was just talk, but if I recall correctly, Malone thought it up (over dinner or something?), and he asked Gobel, who said he'd be willing to be part of this. I haven't been to Malone's site lately, so I have no idea what the latest word is on any of this.
Younis Hilal------------------------yhilal@cds.caltech.edu NP: Death---Human
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 11:47:19 -0800 (PST) From: Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Obligatory Spiral Architect reference:) Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.991115114404.17592B-100000@slam.cds.caltech.edu>
On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 ytsejam@torchsong.com wrote:
> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar?= Bevolden <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no> [post deleted] > > Bye, > Bj=F8rnar, > Norway ! > NP: Spiral Architect-Prelude to ruin Bastard!:) I don't even have a clue how this track came out. I've only heard that SA made a few...um..."changes":).
Younis Hilal------------------------yhilal@cds.caltech.edu
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:35:00 -0200 From: hipodilski_@web.bg To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: Annihilator Message-ID: <B0000111417@127.0.0.1>
Message: HeinV wrote: >Any Annihilator fans around here ? Our list is almost dead so,...
Cool! I thought that I was the only one around here... Any info 'bout that A-list?
Victor
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 12:46:56 -0800 (PST) From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: A rhetorical insight into the mind of a "regular person" Message-ID: <19991115204656.8634.rocketmail@web503.yahoomail.com>
> "Regular people" are usually just too lazy to > attempt to try and interpret something they can't > understand right away. It explains why people listen > to Metallica over Dream Theater, prefer to watch > professional wrestling over a ballet, read Guns & > Ammo instead of Shakespeare. True artists always > tend to weave a depth into their works that average, > undisciplined people would likely never understand > and that's why true artistic ability is only > appreciated by other artists. The only thing you > can do is attempt to lend your own sight to other > people, rather than bitch at them that they can't > see.
I think a lot of snotty prog music fans employ this line of logic to make senese of their bizarre fetish with technical music. I'm tone deaf, can't play music and don't know the first fucking thing about it, but what I do know is that DT sound better than 98% of the stuff played on the radio. I can appreciate Mike's drumming even tho I'm not a drummer. I can appreciate James' singing b/c there's no way in hell I could ever sing that way. I'm not a musician. All I know is that DT are probably my #3 fave band of all time. You can make up reasons why people like them, but at the end of the day all you can do is guess.
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 14:48:52 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: A rhetorical insight into the mind of a "regular person" Message-ID: <001e01bf2fb3$4b8322c0$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
>I think a lot of snotty prog music fans employ this >line of logic to make senese of their bizarre fetish >with technical music
It's not at all snotty. It's a conclusion made from strict observation. I didn't say that because you don't understand what it takes to craft the art that you can't still appreciate it. It's just that IMO there is much more appreciation to be divined from any art form when a person actually realizes the effort involved in crafting a masterpiece. :)
Just the same as fellow painters will admire another's use of colors and shading, or fellow poets will admire another's knack of using alliterations appropriately. :) Things that the "regular people" take for granted. See what I mean?
To look at the other side of the coin, my friends all pride themselves with their cars. They are always amping them up, throwing turbos, rims, tires, and god knows what else into them. To me, a car's a car, but I can still admire a sharp, fast car. They can just admire it more because they know all of the work that went into it to make is such a sweet ride. -- KorgX3 has to quit talking like Confucious
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:57:40 +0100 From: "Verhoef, Pieter-Joost" <Pieter-Joost.Verhoef@nl.origin-it.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: cologne Message-ID: <B13A246878CBD0118B6300805FC14755A7C161@nldhx001.dhajvn.nl.origin-it.com>
I have had the exact same problem in Zwolle and started a thread on it in other lists. Seems like a more generic problem than just Dutch culture so it seems.
regards pj
> well, i don=B4t know how other people think about it, but i > hate people i= > n the > audience that stand right in front of the crowd just watching, without > moving and showing any emotions.
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:58:14 GMT From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: james Message-ID: <19991115225814.70945.qmail@hotmail.com>
don't get me wrong.. i love james.. but anyone who would make this statement has not heard russel allen from symphony x.. buy "the divine wings of tragedy".. james will be knocked at least one notch down your favorate vocalist list.
inferno NP: Alex DeGrassi - Water Garden
>Wow. I'm honestly shocked that anyone DOESN'T like James. He's gotta be >the best vocalist I think I've ever heard. The feeling he can put into the >music is absolutely incredible. His vocal range may be matched by others, >if not surpassed (though not by many), but his intensity is second to none.
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 18:04:25 -0600 From: Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5186 Message-ID: <19991115.180854.3470.0.schnapster@juno.com>
>Charles Dominici is the worst vocalist on the face of the Earth. Not as bad as the guy from Sieges Even :).
>I can stand his falsettoesque high range even less than I can stand LaBrie's. He >is the SOLE reason I don't listen to WDADU. It may be an amazing album, but >for me, he turned it into an embarrasment. Fortunately, I can still listen to >the YTSE Jam. Yeah, but you still have to listen to that farting bass sound on the ytsejam :). The vocals aren't what I like least about WDADU (I'm not a big Charlie fan, but he could've been worse), it's the production.
>SFAM: These songs sound great alone. But the only >musical thread which appears to be holding them >together is the M1 quotes. And IMO there aren't enough >of them to hold the album together. The plot is one >for a concept album, but the music doesn't fit. I personally think the album holds together pretty well. I don't look at it as one long song, though (as opposed to A Pleasant Shade of Gray). Even though it may be titled "Metropolis Pt. 2," I look at it much the same way I'd look at a musical or something of that nature. Songs that are loosely tied together in some way (musically speaking) with a running storyline in the lyrics. I honestly can't say which of said three albums is my favourite, though, since I haven't listened to Mindcrime for a while, and I haven't really gotten into APSOG yet.
Dale R> Newberry
NP - "Last Temptation" - Alice Cooper
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