YTSEJAM Digest 5186
Today's Topics:
1) COLLEGE PAPER ARTICLE.....
by VWgRrL1979@aol.com
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5185
by WAxlRose01@aol.com
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5185
by "Simon Dodd" <sjdodd80@hotmail.com>
4) CyberDuke's time sigs, MyrBones@aol.com's take on things.
by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net>
5) I BEG YOU tell me he's kidding!!!
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
6) rythm
by Dustro2@aol.com
7) My DT Stock
by "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net>
8) re: missing
by Dan Wait <camera_i@yahoo.com>
9) ytsejam, shirts, and you.
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
10) Cologne Gig (no Spoilers)
by Holger Hoffmeister <Holger.Hoffmeister@gmx.de>
11) Catching up
by Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net>
12) re: rythm basics question
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
13) DT
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
14) Re: MP sloppy? and other various musings
by Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com>
15) Floyd, man...Floyd
by MaxArbot@aol.com
16) Message from Devin
by "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com>
17) ---------- ???
by "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be>
18) Re: side projects
by Martin <newmln@yahoo.com>
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:59:00 EST
From: VWgRrL1979@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: COLLEGE PAPER ARTICLE.....
Message-ID: <0.9b241574.25602834@aol.com>
hey, i need to write an article for our college newspaper for my journalism
class...i want to write about the progressive scene in general not just DT,
because my professor already tweaked on the one i wrote and said it was a
review...
so yeah, if anyone has some ideas or wants to help me find an angle, here, i
would appreciate it. = )
mailto:vwgrrl1979@aol.com
peace
nicole
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:16:43 EST
From: WAxlRose01@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5185
Message-ID: <0.5cbe4869.25602c5b@aol.com>
In a message dated 11/14/99 4:51:24 AM, you wrote:
<<ALso, am i the only one who believes that Charlie Dominici was a quality
vocalist? Now that man has talent....Why did they drop him? Look at songs
like The Killing HAnd, he hits such amazing notes, such amazing range.... >>
Charles Dominici is the worst vocalist on the face of the Earth. I can stand
his falsettoesque high range even less than I can stand LaBrie's. He is the
SOLE reason I don't listen to WDADU. It may be an amazing album, but for me,
he turned it into an embarrasment. Fortunately, I can still listen to the
YTSE Jam.
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:52:15 GMT
From: "Simon Dodd" <sjdodd80@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5185
Message-ID: <19991114155215.92291.qmail@hotmail.com>
>the M1 references, seemed to me, a bit corny.
110% agreed. And that's [the above] putting it politely.
>Think we had enough of Pink Floyd haters posts damn it! ;o(
>We don't care if you agree with someone hating Pink Floyd. We don't >need
>your explanations how the music is so passive, how Gilmour was a >lousy
>guitarist and he couldn't play a good solo for more than 10 >seconds etc.
I defy ANYONE to be so supid as to pretend that Animals or The Wall are
passive. You could construct an argument for DSotM, WYWH and TDB being layed
back, but passive isn't really fair.
As for anyone thinking David Gilmour to be a shit guitarist...
Fuck you and the horse you rode on. He blew all over Steve Howe.
>That's your problem.
>If you can't recognize or at least respect (not liking) the greatness >of
>Pink Floyd then SHUT UP and don't make stupid threads!
>And grow up will ya?
Amen. Cheers, CD.
>Time to expand your collection to include such vocalists as Alder, >Tate,
>Khan, Cooper, Halford, Dickinson, Allen, Dio, etc.
You're JOKING. I mean Brucie, fair enough; but he can't hold a candle next
to James. As for Geoff Tate, you're having a laff, in'ya? You are talking
about Rob Halford? If he's a better singer than James, Burton C. Bell could
put Pavarotti to shame in your weird little world.
And what's the big deal about Dio? I don't get it.
>As for his range, I can only say that I truly enjoy James' vocals >ONLY
>when he stays way DOWN in the register, such as SDV, etc...
I only like JP when he's strumming chords. The Silent Man and Hollow Years
are, without doubt, JP's finest moments. Ahem.
Although, seriously, I really dig MP's playing on Liquid Dreams...I think
he's finally learned to lay back a little now. Or maybe when they did SFaM,
he'd become addicted to "the mighty fuckin' Q"! I read that someone's mate
was whining that MP's playing on SFaM was sloppy, to whit I can only say
"Bollocks" - I like that he's not all over the song now. Now if JP could
take the same lesson from LD, then that'd be cool. Don't get me wrong,
there's rarely any points on what they've written where I find myself
thinking "Why don't you just SHUT UP for a minute?!", but I do like it when
he does sit back and take a backseat. I think it's probably insecurity.
>- Some people bash James' singing style, just because
>it is "out of style". With all the hip-hop and low
>growling, James sounds too much like a relic from the
>80's to some people.
I think it just sounds too much like talent and hard work to some people.
>From: MyrBones@aol.com
>Subject: MY TAKE ON THINGS
<<I have a few issues that i would like to address to you knowedgable
jammers.The first is this: can someone please explain to me why the main
guitar focal point on Explorer's Club was JP and not Steve Howe. Surely we
can all agree that JP's whole career has, is , and will always be playing
catch up to Steve Howe. I also noticed that a lot of people have been
putting on their album rankings. Well here is mine.....WDADU FII OIaLT ACoS
LATM AWAKE I&W SFaM
I just think that the guitar playing has gotten worse and worse over
time.....he use to be so creative in songs like Status Seeker and Light Fuse
and Get Away.. where did the creativity go??
ALso, am i the only one who believes that Charlie Dominici was a quality
vocalist? Now that man has talent....Why did they drop him? Look at songs
like The Killing HAnd, he hits such amazing notes, such amazing range....
Enough about WDADU, their best work ever.
And i also think that its time to roll back the clock to 1986-87, when
Majesty dominated the music scene. Never again will music like that be
produced. Now that was cleary when Portnoy was in his prime!!!!!!!!!! He's
been downhill ever since.
>Now you all know how i feel about DS. and how he was the backbone of DT.
>He made them what they are today. FII is their best work since WDADU, and
>Majesty. JR cant even compare the stylings of DS.
Just my thoughts. Am i the only one who feels that DS was a sex icon for
the band, they needed that, and now they dont have that. No more sex appeal
means i dont buy the albums. Hence why i dont yet own SFaM.>>
LOL! Dude, how do you manage to fit your tongue so far into your cheek? :)
Fair point, mind. JR can't compare to DS' STYLE, nor his sex appeal.
Obviously an inferior musician as a result - if you go to
www.bullshitpollsrus.com, you'll find that Britney Spears is WAY ahead of JP
as best guitarist ever. I mean, look at the arse on her...
Si
P.S., if they can convict Gary Glitter of Child Porn, shouldn't they also
lock up everyone with posters of Britney Spears too?
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 11:43:20 -0500
From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: CyberDuke's time sigs, MyrBones@aol.com's take on things.
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991114114320.00816d40@mail.ptd.net>
>From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
>Subject: Rhythm basics question
>But, is there a rhythm that is named 5844, which is (obviously) a
>combination of the 2?
No.
>Also, ... one stupid question:
No such thing, dude!
>OK, I see the 5 pattern in the 5/8 rhythm, and the 7 and the 9 in the
>7/8 and 9/8, but
>where the hell is the 8? :)
In time signatures, the bottom number is the value of the note, and the top
is how many exist per measure. 9/4 is counted as 9 quarter notes (2
measures plus one), 5/8 as five eighth notes (per measure), 13/16 as
thirteen sixteenth notes, etc. I would like to see DT try to incorporate
something like a 27/32 or 53/64 time signature somewhere down the road. :)
THAT would be "progressive." I probably could have explained all of this
better were I not too lazy to dig one of my theory books out of my closet.
>Stop laughing and help me out here. :)
Just remember, THERE IS NO 5/12 or 8/19!!! TWELFTH NOTES AND NINETEENTH
NOTES DO NOT EXIST! ;0)
>From: MyrBones@aol.com
>Subject: MY TAKE ON THINGS
ROTFLMMFAOPIMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!11!1!!!!1
This has got to be the funniest thing I have ever read on the jam. You
were kidding about everything, right? By the way, Charlie Dominici was
also a heroine addict, no joke.
~Brian~
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:07:46 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: I BEG YOU tell me he's kidding!!!
Message-ID: <382EA612.4CE52690@mol.com.mk>
> From: MyrBones@aol.com
>
> I just think that the guitar playing has gotten worse and worse
> over time.....he use to be so creative in songs like Status Seeker
> and Light Fuse and Get Away.. where did the creativity go??
???????????????????? <insert cartoon jaw drop>
> ALso, am i the only one who believes that Charlie Dominici was a
> quality vocalist? Now that man has talent....Why did they drop
> him? Look at songs like The Killing HAnd,
That's it, this place in turning onto hell!
> he hits such amazing notes, such amazing range....
I only pray and hope this was a joke. Otherwise I lost my faith in human
race.
> Enough about WDADU, their best work ever.
Wow another perl, that hurted ...
> Majesty dominated the music scene. Never again will music like
> that be produced.
I truly hope so pal!
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:33:37 EST
From: Dustro2@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: rythm
Message-ID: <0.aa874b3e.25604c71@aol.com>
OK, I see the 5 pattern in the 5/8 rhythm, and the 7 and the 9 in the
7/8 and 9/8, but
where the hell is the 8? :)
1 2 1 2 3 is the 5 in the 5/8 but how do I count the 8? How will I
know it's 5/8 and not ummm 5/16?
Stop laughing and help me out here. :)
ok ok quick lesson...The top number is the number of beats in the
measure...the bottom is the value each note gets....for ex: you have 4 qurt.
notes in a meaasure then it is 4/4 and if u add one qurt. then you have5/4
....simple hu. this goes for anything its all th same theroy! learn it its
useful. now the 8 thing just means 8th notes u understand??if not E-mail me
later dustro
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:50:29 -0500
From: "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: My DT Stock
Message-ID: <LOBBIJHFJBOACCNINICBMEFECAAA.inavarro@mdo.net>
DT Valuation
10| X X
9| X
8| X
7| X
6|
5| X
4|
3|
2|
1|
0|------------------------------
WDADU I&W AWAKE ACOS FII SFAM *
* Note: Live albums not considered.
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:35:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Wait <camera_i@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: re: missing
Message-ID: <19991114183502.19431.rocketmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com>
Just for kicks, I put Mindcrime, Pleasant Shade of
Grey, and Scenes from a Memory in my CD player and had
a prog-fest. Here's what my little brain could piece
together:
APSOG: definately my fav. The 'movements' fit together
perfectly. It truly sounds like the entire CD is one
song, w/ maybe a break before part 9. And while the
parts were completely dependant on eachother (they
sound kinda dumb when you just play one part, not in
context), they are varied enough that they do not get
boring.
OMC: My beef w/ Mindcrime is QRs lack of variation.
There are two styles on this CD, the heavy rock style
and the twisted ballad style. Other than that, a
decent album.
SFAM: These songs sound great alone. But the only
musical thread which appears to be holding them
together is the M1 quotes. And IMO there aren't enough
of them to hold the album together. The plot is one
for a concept album, but the music doesn't fit.
Just a few thoughts to mull over
-Dan
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:00:22 -0500
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: ytsejam, shirts, and you.
Message-ID: <382F22E6.1AB793F5@bigfoot.com>
>There were a bunch of people on here wondering if you had
>any Ytsejamshirts left, so i figured I would put the question
>out there. Sorry if you already answered the question and I
>just missed it :}
Lisa, you go, girl. You get down! Jump up, jump up and get down!
See, I just resubbed about a week ago, because I've been real busy with
my job, which is for a web design company in westchester. So I haven't
answered anything.
I'm glad people are interested! Yeah, I have a few shirts left - between
5 and 15, all XL. I could count them, because they are 3.5 feet from me.
I won't be doing that.
But I could have. :D
Anyone wants to order a ytsejam shirt, check out my web page:
www. j51.com/~mrasiel/another.htm. Right now, the intro page is broken,
because I have this flash movie I made...but when i tried to put it on
the page, all hell broke loose.
so I'm redirecting ya'll right past it, hence the "another.htm".
I still retain all my print design knowledge, BTW...
and that gamut(by my skewed, skewed definition) includes silkscreeening,
which means T-shirts. I still know how to make t-shirts. And what I'd
like to do, what I'd really like to do this time, is actually make a DT
shirt. I have some nifty ideas. The ytsejam shirt rocked your world and
mine, but it has some limitations. First, it alludes to FII in design
and content, and secondly, it is only really worth buying if you are on
the YTSEJAM, or my mother. and of course, the obvious problem, the
bleeping ADDRESS CHANGED. Thank god I hadn't had these things made the
week before that happened! There would be a me-sized silouette in the
brick wall I ran through on the way to mexico, where I could recoup my
losses by starting a discount kiddie-porn slave ring.
No, it's time to move on. so what I was thinking was make a few designs
i have in my head(nestled snugly between those silly mitsubishi radio
spots, the spice girls, and my third grade teacher with a robot head,
spitting fire and disco dancing.), and put 'em up on my site, or
something.
Or maybe I could just speak to MP and see what he thinks. I'm just
free-associatting here, like you people didn't notice. I'm just thinking
I'd like to make an actual DT shirt this time, one that I could sell
everywhere, to fan clubs, to fans, to anyone. I would need to get
permission from the band and/or Atlantic for it, if I were to do it
legally. And that's just assuming people would even be interested. I
don't know.
Any thoughts? Please send them my way.
Thank you for your support. Especially Lisa. The rest of you can fuck
off!
that's a joke, folks. I love everyone.
Josh
that web site again, is www.j51.com/~mrasiel/another.htm
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 00:52:06 +0100
From: Holger Hoffmeister <Holger.Hoffmeister@gmx.de>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Cologne Gig (no Spoilers)
Message-ID: <382F4B26.EF78E563@gmx.de>
I am just back from the Cologne gig. It was f***ing amazing. Really cool!
The Set was the same as the other German Gigs, and pleased everyones taste!
The new songs are really good. JOrdon is more than worthy to play with that band.
The best parts were the Key & Git solos. Just unbelieveable.
Petrucci improvised over a flamneco riff, which lead directliy to Hollow Years.
I read that Jordan made mistakes the other days... well I am not a key-player, but I am
sure, today he made none (or only little). I am realy impressed by him. He ist soooooo
fast and he plays really melodic.
Also he added a new nice (saw) sound to the first part Peruvian Skies, which I liked a
lot. It gave the song a really mean feeling.
If somebody has a recording of the recent gig to offer, I would like to get one.
Well, Folks, look foward to your next DT gig - you will enjoy it
greeting from germany,
Holger
NP: Marillion.com
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:20:46 -0500
From: Marc Respass <marc@merespass.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Catching up
Message-ID: <B454BC0C.45B6%marc@merespass.net>
Hi all,
I just (re)joined the Ytsejam. I've been away for a few years. So I'm
sitting around with my stack of DT discs and I got the urge to look them up
on the 'net. I suspected that maybe a new album was out but I hadn't thought
about it since Falling Into Infinity. So now I have to go get two new
albums.
Since I've been away for years, I don't want to bring back what has surely
been discussed so maybe you guys can point me at some places (archives of
this list?) where I can find the info.
Three things I'm most curious about.
How does everyone like the live album and the new Scenes From A Memory?
What happened to Derek Sherinian??! I mean, I read the bit at
http://www.dreamtheater.net/faq-idx.htm (4.9.1) but that's really sparse. I
remember joking that Derek didn't have long hair and now the new guy does
and... ;)
I recently moved to New York City so I'm really hoping for a concert in the
City. Looks like the American leg of the tour won't start until next year.
Any word on concerts in New York City soon :)?
Thanks
--Marc Respass
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:06:22 PST
From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: re: rythm basics question
Message-ID: <19991115010623.27889.qmail@hotmail.com>
there is no 5844, and the reason why has to do with your other question:
in 4/4, there are 4 beats (I bet you knew that)
in 5/8, there are 5, but each beat is worth only half of one of the 4/4
beats....the first number represents how many beats in the measure, the
second represents what type of note is worth one beat (8=eighth note,
4=quarter note, 16=sixteenth note, 128= well, you get the idea)
maybe this will clarify things:
3/2: 1 + + + 2 + + + 3 + + +
4/4: 1 + 2 + 3 + 4
5/8: 1 2 3 4 5
9/8: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
7/16:123456712345671234567
a good example of this how Surrounded goes back and forth between 4/4
and 9/8
get it now? NO??? you EEEEEEDIOTT!!! (j/k)
-Banjoman
np: FII (I don't care what you say, I LOVE it!!!)
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:33:57 -0500
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: DT
Message-ID: <382F6305.46600000@home.com>
Korg said:
> Shit my fave DT albums in order are...
> Ocean Machine - Biotech...
Is that the sequel to Biomech? ;P
- Joe D.
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:08:13 -0800
From: Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: MP sloppy? and other various musings
Message-ID: <19991114.180706.-298467.0.willeyatc@juno.com>
On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:50:26 -0800 (PST) "Paul Evans"
<paul.evans@esltd.com> writes:
> Okay, the only explanation I can think of for someone thinking Mikey
> is
> sloppy would be the inability to comprehend that there are time
> signatures
> other than 4/4... From that view, DT would be the least talented
> chaps out
> there!!!
I totally agree with you here!!! I had a friend burn me a copy so I could
have one in my PC and in my stereo at all times and he said... this is
cool music but towards the end it got really confusing and I couldn't get
into a groove... he is a big rush fan and likes SFAM alot he just said he
couldn't really groove to it... the more he listens to it the more he
likes it!!! another fan!!! I think that once you listen to DT for a while
you totally get in the groove for odd times... especially being a drummer
and after watching MP and virgil Donati vids!!!
ytsejon
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 22:48:18 EST
From: MaxArbot@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Floyd, man...Floyd
Message-ID: <0.b1aa5fcd.2560dc82@aol.com>
Someone wrote:
<< If you can't recognize or at least respect (not liking) the greatness of
Pink Floyd then SHUT UP and don't make stupid threads! And grow up will ya?
>>
Yeah, boogerheads. I happen to be a "druggie" by most people's standards,
and I'm leading a normal life and I FUCKING LOVE Pink Floyd when I'm sober or
otherwise. It's just music, maaaaaan. ;o)
[eriC]
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:31:12 PST
From: "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Message from Devin
Message-ID: <19991115053113.63117.qmail@hotmail.com>
After conversing with Tracy (Devin Townsend's wife) via e-mail a little, she
asked if I could forward the following little message from Devin to the
ytsejam...
Hi there anyone who reads this! My name is Devin Townsend, and I would
really like to have the opportunity to share some of my music with you,
please see our website for more info, thanks very much!
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:00:01 +0100
From: "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: ---------- ???
Message-ID: <F999CB08F9C7D21195E30008C70D3506CC434D@julia.um.be>
After all the initial euphoria (since 26/10), I believe that some less
positive ideas about SFaM are emerging...I saw also a very negaitive
observation about MP. Not that I agree with these, I just wanted to say that
some people are becoming a little more realistic about the new album - which
is still great IMHO.
Rock On !
HeinV
Any Annihilator fans around here ? Our list is almost dead so,...
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 00:25:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Martin <newmln@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: side projects
Message-ID: <19991115082509.1831.rocketmail@web1605.mail.yahoo.com>
>balls' or 'platt opus'? Am I the only one who thinks
>LTE was the worst
>of the recent side projects? Granted, parts of
>Mullmuzzler kinda sucked...
I don't thinks so. I think LTE was really, really the
best, then Platypus and Mullmuzzler. Working Man and
Explorers Club are better than Plat. and Mull. but
they were not side projects.
Martin
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