YTSEJAM Digest 5142
Today's Topics:
1) The Ultimate SFaM concert....
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
2) Re: AW: My thanks to the Band!!!!(spoilers if you care)
by Steve Godbout <godbouts@videotron.ca>
3) re: 1978-1992
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
4) Re: SFaM In CDnow Top 10!! Backordered too!
by Mauricio =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mart=EDnez?= <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
5) Metropolis I stuff on SFAM,
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
6) SFAM story explanation!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
7) DT number 10 on CDnow
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@indiana.edu>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5141
by "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org>
9) Spoiler - the very end of SFaM
by Mark Peters <epididymisle@earthlink.net>
10) Warning SPOILER SPOILER etc...
by "Paul Evans" <paul.evans@esltd.com>
11) ooh ooh i know!
by "Dan Meyers" <dabda@hotmail.com>
12) Re: The Ultimate SFaM concert....
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
13) another possible interpretation of the ending (SPOILER)
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
14) MP3s just don't cut it - BUY IT!
by Ryan Veety <ryan@ryanspc.com>
15) various
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
16) Inspiration corner ****SPOILER****
by "indii" <indii@vistatech.net>
17) ***SPOILER*** First Reactions
by William Cary Hall <hall@cs.unc.edu>
18) Met. 2 demo w/ Derek: Sounds From My Trinity
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:06:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: The Ultimate SFaM concert....
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.991026125013.18848B-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
The first 30 or so lines of this post don't look it, but there is a
nice setlist for a dream concert in this post. You can skip my
renouncements if you like, and just get to the meat with one or two
page down's.
First, I'd like to publically apologize to Mike Portnoy and Mark
Bredius for my senseless actions on the alt.music.dream-theater news
group. I was an ass.
Secondly, I'd like to thank Mike and the rest of Dream Theater for
creating this album in the face of a market-driven music industry. Not
that it was ever bright and shiny and all about the art, but still.
You're unapologetic about your progressiveness, and that's what makes
this album great for me.
Okay, I'm just going to babble here; I won't give my review of SFaM yet
-- I've only heard it 5 times... but I will say that "Close your eyes
Victoria" and the shots that followed elicited an emotional response
that left actual tear stains on the lyric sheet (even on the fifth
time, I still weeped for Victoria -- so sue me!).
But! I think I have the ultimate SFaM live set list -- it works for
me, and I'd probably go into rabid convulsions of joy if they played
something like it in Portland next year (if they come... knock on
wood).
The theme of SFaM is regression -- so, why not something like this?
Dream Theater: Tour From A Memory
A Live Performance in Two Acts
Act One --
A Fortune In Lies -- 6
Under A Glass Moon -- 8*
6:00 -- 6*
Just Let Me Breathe -- 6*
Metropolis Pt. I -- 10
(short 1 or 2 min break, let crowd cool off a bit, then...)
Metropolis Pt. 2 (Act One) -- 34
Act One Total -- 74min
Intermission (20 minutes -- play Maejsty Demos in the background)
Act Two --
Metropolis Pt. 2 (Act Two) -- 40
New Millenium -- 9*
Caught In A Web -- 6*
Learning To Live -- 12*
Only A Matter of Time -- 7
Act Two Total -- 74min
(* denotes songs which can be replaced from night to night with other
rarely-played songs as the tour rolls on, and we all follow them in VW
busses...)
Technically, this is the best way I could do it -- nobody loses -- you
hear good song at the beginning and end of the concert, and stay for
the best damn rock opera ever. Plus, the separation of Act One and Two
works nicely with the two-act formula of the concert (maybe they should
have a Playbill-style tourbook!)
Thematically, I like this set because it moves from the beginning of
DT's career in WDADU, to the latest, and back again. The songs
themselves are ones that aren't always heard on tour, which is okay,
because it seems like DT is no longer trying to win over a new fanbase.
So, we get songs like Only A Matter of Time and Caught In A Web and all
of Learning To Live, etc.
And beisdes, a lot of the song titles have a pleasently cheesy
connection to the regression theme of SFAM, and the "new millenium"
lineup. ^_^
So, off I go again, to my corner of the jam... happily weeping with joy
at the effort and unity the band showed with this album (and Mike, if
you're reading this, your lyics have improved IMMENSELY! Good job...
hehehe!)
--Matt (Johnston, if you want to get specific about it)
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:06:15 -0400
From: Steve Godbout <godbouts@videotron.ca>
To: YTSEJAM Mailing list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: AW: My thanks to the Band!!!!(spoilers if you care)
Message-ID: <381609B7.54BFF847@videotron.ca>
Michael Pruchnicki wrote:
> Well, that's not true for me *yet*, but this album will make this > tattoo thing happen!
Well, join the club my friend!! And, I'm passing out a piece of advice
given to me by Mike Portnoy: Be sure not to get it done upside down!
Hey, that's a cool idea. Why not form a DT related tatoo club? How many
people on this list have had done a DT related tatoo for sheer love of
the band and the music (or for any other at that!). That would be
interesting. We could, for instance, get photos scanned of each tatoo,
make a montage and send this montage to the grand master of tatoos,
Mike Portnoy himself... I'm sur he'd appreciate! ;-)
So people which of you have DT related tatoos?
Steve
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:20:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: re: 1978-1992
Message-ID: <19991026202041.611.rocketmail@web113.yahoomail.com>
"Christopher Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
wrote:
> It has more to do with what radio forces down your
throat and what
> MTV forces down your throat than ANYTHING else, as
I know, because
> when I was a little younger than you, they had me
LIKING bands
> like Poison, Warrant etc.
Not only that, VH1 is STILL killing the memory of the
80's metal scene. Every time they do one of their
retrospectives, they feature none other than Lita
Ford, Poison and Warrant. Let's make the 80's music
look as bad as possible! They're not trying to bring
back metal, they're trying to make it look stupid.
It's incidious. It's a subtle anti-metal propaganda
campaign!
(Ok, maybe it's not, but VH1 mostly features the least
respected, most commercial, record company created
"artists" of the past. I was hoping I'd never see that
worthless "Ronnie Lee Keel" again! The only reason
anyone would listen to that joker sing on purpose is
to hear Yngwie's first recording. Then VH1 makes it
look like somebody liked him.).
my $.02, BH
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:33:15 -0500
From: Mauricio =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mart=EDnez?= <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: SFaM In CDnow Top 10!! Backordered too!
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991026153315.007faa00@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
Goddamn it! I just recieved an email from CDNOW just to inform me that they
have SFAM in backorder!!!! More waiting? Shit!! I had this order going for
a whole damn month and now i get this backorder crap?!
Anyone in this position too?
Mauricio
At 08:09 AM 25/10/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
>http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=152137459/pagename=/RP/TOP100/inde
x.html
>
>Yes ladies and gents...overnight SFaM beat out Dixie Chicks, and Indigo
>Girls (ulch) to take over #10 and now the cover is posted...can we make
>it go to #1?????
>
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:38:10 -0500
From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Metropolis I stuff on SFAM,
Message-ID: <19991026.153819.11870.1.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
That is one of the brillant things about the CD, not just the story and
the music, If you listen you can hear Metro I A LOT. Take home for
instance when labrie says "she's calling me back to home, the riff from
right after "I'm asleep yet Im so afraid jumps in, right with Mike
hitting the snare to the note. The CD aslo sheds light on met I for me,
I never quite got that one, now I do. I origanlly thought the man
singing was singing to his formere lover from the grave. Reincarnation
never popped into my head. I LOVE DT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kurt
"and though it leads to nowhere, you part debris and keep on
going"-Doubledrive
New Dream Theater "Scenes From a Memory" out Oct 26th
"I don't know how the guys in Slayer are going to past 40"-Paul Blocker
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:34:43 -0500
From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: SFAM story explanation!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <19991026.153819.11870.0.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
Ok, after about ten listens this is what I gathered:
nich went to a hypnotherapist to see who he was and what went on in his
past life. He discovered all the stuff about Victoria, her brothers, and
the way she died. At the beginning of Finally Free, the hypno guy wakes
Nich up, and he now knows who he was. At the very end however, he is
woken up again. He was at a hypno therapist in his 2nd life, but in
reality he is in his third. At the hypnotherapist, he went to one in his
past life. Kinda like the movie the thirteenth floor. In the movie
(Spoiler if you haven't seen it yet stop reading!) They were running a
simulation inside another simulation. Nich lived 2 lives before, not
just one. he in the present is on his third. That is the stuff at the
end, he leaves the doctor's, goes home, then the docrtor wakes up, and he
jumps up and that's the end. Hope this shed the light.
Kurt-
NP-Monday Nitro from last night
PS-Mike and the rest of the guys, hell of an album, probably the best CD
realease of the decade.
"and though it leads to nowhere, you part debris and keep on
going"-Doubledrive
New Dream Theater "Scenes From a Memory" out Oct 26th
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:41:02 -0700
From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@indiana.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: DT number 10 on CDnow
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991026154102.007c2590@imap.indiana.edu>
http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=1272416036/pagename=/RP/TOP100/inde
x.html
Go quick before it gets shot down by the new Britney Spears :P
Jon
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:42:22 -0400
From: "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5141
Message-ID: <005901bf1ff2$9a663740$b084c5cf@crp.crp.org>
>>I mean how can you justify bands like Poison,
>>Devo, Gary Glitter etc.
>They all have their fans even though i think they all stink its all down to
>personal
>taste of which you have only but started to explore your own.
You are so right. And in reply to the original post by Mike(?):
Ok. I'm coming out.
I'm a big fan of 80's glam. There. I said it. Flame me if you want. I don't
care.
The way I see it, that's the music I grew up with - plus it's a lot more fun
and creative (in odd cases, I have to admit) than 90% of what's out there
these days. I can't stomach bands like Korn and Limp Bizkit, but they have
their place in the musical (and I use that term loosely :) spectrum, just
like glam did/does.
Sure, you can make fun of them - everyone is entitled to their opinion. But
if you're going to categorize how good/worthy/ridiculous a band is because
of it's "uncool" factor, then I wonder how you can be a DT fan, since DT is
certainly "uncool" (but awesome, nonetheless).
joe
NP: It's the 26th, WTF do you think I'm playing?! :)
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:45:14 -0500
From: Mark Peters <epididymisle@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Spoiler - the very end of SFaM
Message-ID: <381612DA.6881@earthlink.net>
Hey, everyone! It pays to be friends with your local independent CD
dealer - mine sold me SFaM Monday afternoon, so I got to listen to the
album five times nonstop at work Monday night. Nyah nyah :)
Anyway, the ending is confusing me a bit. It just dawned on me (yes, I'm
slow) that the news report after Finally Free ends is from the JFK Jr.
plane crash. I think. Is Nicholas living in the far future? When he
finally realizes the truth about Victoria, is he visited by another
memory fron a different past life? Was he reincarnated as someone on
JFK's plane, then reincarnated as Nicholas somewhere down the line?
I can say for a fact that the CD does end with static (sounds like a
record needle sliding across a record to me).
I have to say this, since I've not seen it on the 'jam yet:
Someone please help me figure out Victoria's secret!
Take care,
Mark Peters
epididymisle@earthlink.net
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:43:51 -0700
From: "Paul Evans" <paul.evans@esltd.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Warning SPOILER SPOILER etc...
Message-ID: <013001bf1ff2$d0d79800$2aace1cc@falcon.wlv.esltd.com>
Man. I'm so overwhelmed by this album I can't believe it... Everything you
could possibly want out of Dream Theater... some of the prettiest stuff
I've heard, some of the most ass kicking stuff I've heard, some of the most
jaw-dropping playing I've heard, some of the coolest key changes, and some
serious emotion...
It's just frigging amazing. And that's just my first listen - here at
work!!! BTW, my co-workers are getting blasted!!!
I think it will be a while before I can speak coherently about everything on
here. There's just so much!!! I can't wait to get home and crank this...
Hey Al, I think it's new stereo time!!!!
Truly inspired work, Mike. How can we ever repay you?
And to anybody who is disappointed - Sheesh, that's just uncomprehendable to
me...
Merry Christmas everybody!!!!
:-)
Paul
NP - duh!!!!
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:57:29 PDT
From: "Dan Meyers" <dabda@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: ooh ooh i know!
Message-ID: <19991026205730.24668.qmail@hotmail.com>
>
>Slap me with a catfish if I'm wrong, but doesn't it stand for the
>self-named
>video/audio time-code standard created by the Society of Motion Picture &
>Television Engineers? (Yes, that's right, say it quickly in a high voice,
>just like Frank Zappa. Bonus points if you can name the song... :)
>
>Recording engineers, anyone? Al? :)
>
In an earlier jam i mentioned the Society of Motion Picture and Television
Engineers
which just happens to be from
Baby Snakes.
"Maybe i think, that is what keeps them in synch, there wet and they're
piiink, i think i'll give em a, give em a, give em a driink."
later fiends,
afro lad
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:10:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: The Ultimate SFaM concert....
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.991026140934.5012B-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
"close your eyes?" I mean open, of course. I'm giddy -- I think my CD
came packaged in Nitrous, so... ^_^
--Matt
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:12:26 -0400
From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: another possible interpretation of the ending (SPOILER)
Message-ID: <002801bf1ff6$d054d6a0$702010ac@clemson.edu>
]From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
Subject: SFAM story explanation!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> nich went to a hypnotherapist to see who he was and what went on in his
> past life. He discovered all the stuff about Victoria, her brothers, and
> the way she died. At the beginning of Finally Free, the hypno guy wakes
when you say "her brothers" do you mean the two brothers with who she was
having the love affair? you know they were not related to her by blood,
right? that would be a whole different kind of "sordid love affair" :)
> Nich up, and he now knows who he was. At the very end however, he is
> woken up again. He was at a hypno therapist in his 2nd life, but in
> reality he is in his third. At the hypnotherapist, he went to one in his
> past life. Kinda like the movie the thirteenth floor. In the movie
thats a very interesting interpretation. the one i had (which i admit is
sort of stretching it) was that the psychotherapist was the reincarnation of
the Miracle (the senator), and so he finds out (through nicholas's hypnosis
session) that nicholas was victoria, and is still angry over what she did to
him. Nicholas sits in his car for hours and ponders what he learned and what
it means to his own life, then goes home only to find that the
psychotherapist went to his house ahead of him and surprises him, then kills
him a second time. thats why he says "open your eyes, nicholas", which is
the same thing that he said when he killed him the first time as victoria -
"open your eyes, victoria." and the record scratch is the sound of them
struggling. but i think yours makes more sense :)
i sure hope that Mike posts to the jam (or someone explains in an interview)
what the story is in detail, to clear up all of these doubts :) of course,
they may go the way of personal interpretation, and not admit exactly one
story as being correct. i remember reading the FAQ a while back and when
questions asked somethign like "what is song xxx about?" the answer from the
band was something similar to "it could be about a man's struggles with xxx
or yyy, or perhaps the influence of zzz in vvv. but it will mean something
different to each person." which i basically took to mean that whoever wrote
the song just wrote down whatever b.s. came to their minds without really
knowing what the hell it meant :) moo.
*** END OF TRANSMISSION ***
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:38:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ryan Veety <ryan@ryanspc.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: MP3s just don't cut it - BUY IT!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.9910261637500.5028-100000@RyansPC.com>
Ok, this is my first post to this list. I've had the SFAM mp3s for 2
weeks now, and have been listening to them continuously in my car
(www.ryanspc.com/carmp3). DT has been my favorite band since I heard PMU
on the headbangers ball many years ago. I waited outside a local discount
music store this morning waiting for them to open. When they did, there
was no SFAM on the new release shelf, and the dork that worked there never
heard of DT. It was probably boxed up in the back but I gave up
there. So I went to the retail priced music store and again it wasn't on
the shelf. I asked the guy there, and he too never heard of them. I
wasn't about to go all over the state, so I made him go in the back and
check. After searching, he found it in a box in the back. So I believe I
am the first person to have the new cd in Middletown, NY. No one else
here seems to care about DT as much as I do. Not only is it worth the
$15.99, its probably worth it's weight in gold. So as I was saying, I've
been listening to the songs for 2 weeks almost non-stop. It was very
confusing because of the changes of charachters and switches from
past/present. The CD sureley cleared that up. Also, the mp3 for
Finally Free ended early, so I missed the acting in the end, and the
static sound (whats with that anyway?).
So if you guys read this list: GREAT JOB!!!! It definatly surpassed my
greatest expectations. I am still at a loss of words to describe the
music, its just fine art for the ear.
Now its time to re-mp3-encode this cd, the right way, with
cdparanoia/bladeenc @ 160Kbps =)
Ryan
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 11:18:30 +0200
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: various
Message-ID: <381571E6.CFE49609@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:44:30 +0300
> From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@cafe.ee>
> Subject: Re: How do you pronounce...
>
> > Vitalij Kuprij
>
> I don't speak Ukrainian myself, and the only Slavic language I
> feel at home with is Russian, but my bet is Vee-'tah-lee
> Koo-'pree. Mind the accents.
> Now, if I saw the name written down in the Cyrillic letters... The
> English language is notorious for transcribing names and words
> written in Cyrillic (that otherwise make perfect sense) into
> something that's hard to make out
> even with a lot of practice under the belt. :-)
True. :) But in this case it seems that it's same as the Latin writing.
The same letters, just in Cyrillic. So I think your spelling is right,
except maybe, ... in English you can't pronaunce that "J" letter at the
end of the both words. And I think it should be pronanunced, it is
there, at least as I see it.
Raivo, ... think you owe me some reviews? :)
> From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
> Subject: hellborg/jens
> > From: Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
> > > I've got an album with Jonas Hellborg, monster-shredder Shawn
> > Lane and Jeff Sipe called Temporal Analogues of Paradise,
> > > Enjoyable stuff - a live recording featuring two 30 minute improvs.
>
> I also just got "Octave of the Holy Innocents" which he recorded
> with Buckethead and Michael Shrieve. A lot more minimal than "e"
> but still great. Trevor
Wow, wow, where does these names keep popping up from???
Shawn Lane, Shrieve ... Any more info on these album, plz.
I strongly suggest hearing Michael Shrieve album "2 doors", where the
looney Shawn Lane shreds guitar!
Jazz metal. :)
> From: "Simon Dodd" <sjdodd80@hotmail.com>
> >I do... Actually, I do think Steve, as a guitarist, was much
> >better than Hendrix... No, I don't discuss Hendrix's
> >importance to guitar history, that can't be argued... I hear
> this argument the whole time, that Hendrix was the greatest guitarist
> ever, and it's bullshit. SRV was a hell of a lot better; as indeed
> was Jimmy Page, as indeed is John Petrucci. Hendrix was the best when
> he was around, and yes, was the most influential guitarist ever,
> but to say that no-one's played better since 1971 is bull.
1 fact can't be neglected is that he was there in this time of the music
history, and that time will never repeat. He made huge contribution and
he left his signature, finished. You can't take that away from him.
It's crap to say he couldn't play!!! He came up with some amazing stuff.
As this famous Macedonian guitarist Vlatko Stefanovski said once in an
inerview "Jimi came and it was like he said 'THIS is the way you should
play from now on!" Jimi took the electric guitar playing to a totally
new level. This is also one of the things he's worshipped for.
I LOVE SRV and his style, but I just don't agree when someone starts
debating who was better. Anyway I think comparing musicians is biggest
stupidity.
Jimmy Page, I was HUGE Zep fan (still am I guess) for years, and Page
was my idol. But from present perspective, I won't dare to say he is/was
best. Page case is really ... weird, he played some AWESOME things (Rain
Song, Black Mountain Side/White Summer, Dased and Confused, ...) but the
last Zep albums have nothing creative at all. Zep left their sound with
the first 5 albums or so.
> That's like saying that no-one's made a better album than Sgt Pepper
That would be ABBEY ROAD actually, thank you! :) And funny, but they're
right.
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:30:14 -0400 From: "indii" <indii@vistatech.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Inspiration corner ****SPOILER**** Message-ID: <LPBBLFELJFHMJGEAFNIDCEFACAAA.indii@vistatech.net>
I guess most people have noticed the major inspiration on "The Spirit Carries On" (trk. 11)? If you haven't then you need to have your head checked. =) The vocal and musical parts sound so much like something off of "The Wall". It's amazing. And since Floyd is my second favorite band, it makes it that much more amazing!! Everything down to JPs background slow and groovy playing, the chorus in the background, MPs slow drumming and Jordan's soft and sweet piano and KJLB's heavy breathing-induced vocals and even the title! Sounds so Floyd inspired. So I'm asking you guys about the other cds in "Inspiration Corner" do you hear anything similar? I only have a few of the cds that were there? I could say that I hear some Roger Waters' influence but that would be rhetorical.
Anyway, Fucking Amazing Album!!! I love "Home" (it sounds so much like I&W era, and that was my favorite album before this one). And the guitar at the beginning of "Overture 1928" Just fucking BLEW ME AWAY!! I and even love the little Jordan influenced player-piano solo thingy in "The Dance of Eternity". The chorus' fit the music so much that it's amazing when you know that the lyrics were written after the music. Way To Go GUYS!!
I took a whole day off of work so I could listen to this cd. And to say it was worth the money lost from work is an understatement!!
indii
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 18:04:37 -0400 From: William Cary Hall <hall@cs.unc.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: ***SPOILER*** First Reactions Message-ID: <38162575.BED7FFA4@cs.unc.edu>
First off, forget about all those other epics/concept albums I used to love (2112, Hemispheres, The Light, Tales From Topographic...). DT's new one is the single best album/epic I've ever heard. I thought that many of the individual songs wouldn't stand at all by themselves, but taken straight through they are nothing more than a masterwork. My only gripe is that some of the vocal arrangements seemed awkward, albeit well performed.
Now, I just need to get the inter-character relationships straight. Obviously, Victoria was married to/with Edward (The Miracle) and he killed her and her new lover, (Julian or Nicholas, or are they the same?). That's about all I know for certain. But I see it as one of three ways
-Nicholas is Victoria in a new life (pointed out by another 'jammer, and makes sense to me).
-Nicholas is Julian in a new life ("He'd kill his brother if he only knew" - Edward would kill Julian, or vice versa?).
-Nicholas was none of the other three in the past, but Julian helped him to steal Victoria from Edward. So, Edward is still mad at Julian.
No matter how you cut it, this story line, the dialogue/lyrics, musical quality, the musical and lyrical tie-ins to all the old tunes (Mirror, Met I, Surrounded, and I know I heard one or two more on the musical side) make for the best work DT has ever done, period. Congratulations to all the Band for a job well done, this far exceeded my already-high expectations.
For the tour: YOU'VE GOT to play the whole thing, in order. Maybe open with Met I, then do SFAM: Act I, throw a few tunes in the middle (Surrounded, Mirror/Lie would be great), then do a second set with Act II. And please, please, play somewhere near North Carolina!! At least in the Raleigh-Duram area, there's tons of college-age kids and local music scenes. -- William Cary Hall http://www.cs.unc.edu/~hall hall@cs.unc.edu & wchall@email.unc.edu ICQ# 6956498 AIM: UNC Cary
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 18:12:29 -0400 From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Cc: bostonjam@dreamt.org Subject: Met. 2 demo w/ Derek: Sounds From My Trinity Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991026180600.00aae660@po7.mit.edu>
Hey everyone,
I was searching the net and I found an MP3 of the Metropolis 2 demo with Derek on keys! Apparently, Metropolis 2 used to be titled, "Sounds From My Trinity" before he was asked to leave the band...
Here's an excerpt from SFMT:
The characters:
Derek Portnoy Nicky Lemons (The Testicle) Jordan Rudess (The Showoff)
Finally Free:
--The Testicle-- Friday evening No longer in the band To think that they would kick me out For that bald-headed man
Solo album No 'mates to fuck it up I must write it all by myself No Desmond needed here
They'll seem hopeless and lost with his sound Metal Edge said I've got the best keys around
This feeling inside me Finally found my band, I've finally broke free No longer torn in two Atlantis Part 3 whoops Metropolis 2
--Portnoy-- Feeling good this Friday afternoon I made a call to Jordan Said we'd get together soon
He's always had our heart He needs to know We'll break free of the Testicle It's time for him to go
This feeling inside me Finally found our keys We've finally broke free No longer torn in two We won't go under with him and M2
Their band renewed They wrote M2 In a studio out of view They thought no one knew Then came a promo on the 'Net
--The Showoff-- One last time We'll play slow today One last time Until we race away One last time We'll play slow today One last time We race away
While the bands's on the stage And the ending draws near 64th-notes rise through the air All their limbs start to blur, it all becomes a slur Vinny Kowalski comes into view An old PA exchanged for a new A familiar sound comes blaring through
--Derek-- This feeling inside me Finally found my band, I'm finally free No longer torn in two Playing my own shit -- got booted by you
This feeling inside me Finally found my band, I'm finally free No longer torn in two I formed Planet X -- got booted by you
You'll open for my band someday soon...
I'll try to put up more lyrics from Sounds From My Trinity when I've got some more time on my hands. :P
-Bogie
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