YTSEJAM Digest 5143
Today's Topics:
1) To Gary Lauzon!
by Stephen LaMonica <sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu>
2) How mature am I really? - No spoilers
by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
3) vocals, the 80's, and stuff
by Dan Wait <camera_i@yahoo.com>
4) Re: my post
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
5) Another kooky interpretaion (SFaM spoilers)
by Chris Oates <coates@objy.com>
6) Re: Met. 2 demo w/ Derek: Sounds From My Trinity
by "Paul Evans" <paul.evans@esltd.com>
7) SFaM
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
8) getting there is half the battle
by "Stan Tyszka" <drumguy@uscom.com>
9) Analysis... **SPOILERS**
by Matthew Turk <sataiwilco@usa.net>
10) My ideas of the story
by Ryan Veety <ryan@ryanspc.com>
11) SFaM... and more.
by "Daniel T. Chen" <daniel_chen@unc.edu>
12) To live forever and Eve In Met 2
by Stephen LaMonica <sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu>
13) SFaM story (* major spoilers if you don't have the disc yet*)
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
14) The Reviews Are In
by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
15) kicks butt
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@yahoo.com>
16) Re: The Reviews Are In
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
17) Re: another possible interpretation of the ending (SPOILER)
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
18) SFaM *Spoilers*
by "Chuck Reis" <korgx3@safelink.net>
19) Meeting the Guys !
by D2112T@aol.com
20) Re: SFaM *Spoilers*
by "Chuck Reis" <korgx3@safelink.net>
21) Re: SFaM story (* major spoilers if you don't have the disc yet*)
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
22) McKean's SFaM cover (*VERY minor spoilers about the cover*)
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 18:21:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stephen LaMonica <sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: To Gary Lauzon!
Message-ID: <199910262221.SAA11309@polaris.sju.edu.sju.edu>
I am stumped with the last two minutes of the cd myself. It leaves me
wanting even more (Us DT fans are never satisfied :) Seriously, what it
sounds to me is probably the more obvious answer, In the beginning of the
cd, the hypnotherapist says to open your eyes if you feel you have to come
back into reality.....maybe it was just time to wake up and he was startled?
I don't know....that seems like the obvious answer to me.....but I know that
there must be more to it then that! What exactly happens at the end??? Is
it a reincarnation of the The Miracle coming to get Nicholas??? One more
thing....is Nicholas a reincarnation of the Sleeper or is he a reincarnaiton
of Victoria???? When a band can provoke this many questions and thoughts
through their music, you know they have done something truly amazing
IF ANY OF THE BAND MEMBERS READ THIS.......THANK YOU! I HAVE BEEN A LOYAL FAN
SINCE IMAGES AND WORDS AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE
INSPIRATION YOU GUYS HAVE PROVIDED ME IN CREATING MY OWN MUSIC!!!
Stephen La Monica
A loyal DT fan for life!
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 23:47:57 CEST
From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: How mature am I really? - No spoilers
Message-ID: <19991022214757.48618.qmail@hotmail.com>
hi all,
after half a gallon of vanilla ice to cool me down I'd like to speak with
Yoda's words: "You have to unlearn what you've before learned."
]From the beginning. I went to the record shop that's about 500 yards away
from where I live(somewhere in Germany) and asked if there'd be enough
copies on Monday. He said that he had ordered enough, but is)B´of course
dependent on the mail man. It could even be there on friday....
So, of course i went and, yes, it was there in all it's beauty. And to Mike,
Mark and who else was responsible for the veil(including all the facts that
dropped through the net during the last weeks), it was sure worth the
waiting and not knowing.
I am 25 years old, mature on music and again cautioned myself about the
reception of this album. Just because DT is your favorite band and you have
a shelf of their records alone, don't loose your neutral judgement. Well, I
can't help it, it still kicks my arse majorly.
My studies involve literature and poetry and just looking atthe music(didn't
look at the lyrics really close, yet) I find this a poetic masterpiece,
which has never been done like that before.
I bow my had and say thank you.
Sebastian
PS: I know that the bitching about what people don't like or DT could have
made better will start soon(and I am not saying that one should love
everything that is served for dinner unconditionally), but ask yourself how
lucky you bastards are that these motherfuckers answered all your requests
like this....
enough praise
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:55:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Wait <camera_i@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: vocals, the 80's, and stuff
Message-ID: <19991026225529.5201.rocketmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com>
I myself am 19, stuck in a world of hip-hop and bad
rock. To the 17-year old (sorry, I forgot your name!):
Do you really care if the 80's are 'uncool?' So what
if James' voice sounds like it came from the 80's?
He's SINGING, which is more than you can say for
Metallica, Korn, Limp Noodle (he he), and every other
popular rock group out there. So get over your petty
dislike for the 80's and decide whether you like
something based on what you like, not what your (and
my) culture likes.
SFAM: a great concept album. Best story line I've
heard in a long time (although Man-O-War's depiction
of the Iliad in "Achilles, Agony and Ecstacy" was
pretty rad). The music... I was hoping for some
progressive shredding, the likes of Acid Rain. But the
complexity is great!
I'm gonna miss Derek's heavy keyboards (though I am
not denying Jordan's superior playing). And I'm gonna
miss LTE. But right now I'm too busy listening...
I hope everyone in my dorm likes it!
-Dan
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:56:22 -0500
From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: my post
Message-ID: <19991026.175628.11870.0.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
I meant the brothers, not "her" sorry. I think the news story at the end
does not have anything to do with JFK. The Miracle, (as Victoria says
"I'll break free of the Miracle, it's time for him to go" is the senator
EdBaynes. So she was in love with him, but went to his brother Julian
instead. Edward kills Victoria, I think he says "You lied to me" as he
shoots her. The reaction in Washington, the tragedy is all the hooplah
about another problem in Washington, but that was supposed to be in 1928,
so what's the deal? GUYS I CONFUSED MYSELF! I LOVE THE CD! MIKEY HELP
PLEASE!
Kurt NP-SFAM Finally Free
"and though it leads to nowhere, you part debris and keep on
going"-Doubledrive
New Dream Theater "Scenes From a Memory" out Oct 26th
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:57:32 -0700
From: Chris Oates <coates@objy.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Another kooky interpretaion (SFaM spoilers)
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991026155732.00aab830@objypop>
Here's the kookiest idea I've come up with over the past several more listens
Nick is the re-incarnation of Edward. The hypnotherapist is the
re-incarnation of Victoria. The end is Victoria getting her revenge. :)
Naw, I don't believe it, but it's plausable. Why else would Nick know Ed's
thoughts after the killing?
~Chris
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:21:39 -0700
From: "Paul Evans" <paul.evans@esltd.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Met. 2 demo w/ Derek: Sounds From My Trinity
Message-ID: <014901bf2008$dc6fb9c0$2aace1cc@falcon.wlv.esltd.com>
Rotf lmao!!!!!!!!!!
Bogie wrote a whole bunch of hilarious stuff, followed by:
>I'll try to put up more lyrics from Sounds From My Trinity when I've got
some
>more time on my hands. :P
Please do! I'm dying to find out how it turns out!!!
:-)
Paul
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:50:07 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: SFaM
Message-ID: <38163E2F.B018EC98@home.com>
All I can say at this point: I'm utterly floored by the new disc. It
gets better with each listen.
- Joe D.
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:59:55 -0400
From: "Stan Tyszka" <drumguy@uscom.com>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: getting there is half the battle
Message-ID: <199910270001.RAA08936@fugazi.torchsong.com>
Ok, having given the new material one listen. I must say this is
undoubtedly an adventerous CD. I had to go to 4 different stores to get it.
I started off at Tower records, not happening there. Moved on to best buy,
huge gap in the DT section. Sam Goody, should be called Shelves Empty.
Finally at The Wall in Moorestwon mall (you jersey folk know this place real
well) I found it. I threw it on the counter and the cashier greeted me with
"God Bless You" . Adam you were right, if you are on this list this disc is
unreal. My cheap play by play commentary is as follows:
ACT 1
Regression: cool way to open a disc, i like the hypnotist thingy. opening
with james is interesting, it sets a vocal tone for the whole thing.
overture 1928: this is the band at its best, collected, tight, and in a
sense new again.
strange deja vu: cool rythm in the verses, very interesting lyrics(this is
to be said thru out)
through my words: again more coolness
fatal tragedy: no comment at this time
beyond this life:lyriclly, this has to be the bluntest, and darkest this
band has ever been.
home: very cool rythem, love the wah pedal. the met 1 references are well
placed. the eastern thingy in the middle sounds like something out of a
foreign culture film, and the instrumental section is quite tight.
The dance of eternity: OK, anyone else think that this is the pinnacle of
the disc? That wild wild west part sounds like something that would come
out of an old player piano thingy with all the different instruments in it.
I LOVE THIS PART.
one last time, spirit carries on, finally free: well put together, but at
points theses sections seem to drag. the story line is great thru here.
FII stylings can be heard i think in parts. there are a few part that sound
VERY close to Hells Kitchen.
over all, this is their best work, straight on down to the artwork, the
liner notes are set up very cool.
over and out.
stan
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Date: 26 Oct 99 20:13:00 EDT
From: Matthew Turk <sataiwilco@usa.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Analysis... **SPOILERS**
Message-ID: <19991027001300.22257.qmail@nwcst277.netaddress.usa.net>
This is something I posted to www.mikeportnoy.com earlier, but I'm repost=
ing
here...
Ok. A couple things struck me as odd with this speculation... First off, =
is it
assumed that the old man is Senator Edward? Anyone old enough to have rec=
eived
Senator status (Sen. Thurmond excepted) in 1928 has to be dead now, assum=
ing
the story took place during the current time period. Was it indicated to =
be
during the current time period by the Washington News Broadcast? Was that=
a
reference, possibly a verbatim newsbroadcast, to JFK Jr?
What was the importance of the Senator, anyhow? I think we can establish =
a
couple things about the storyline.
1. Victoria was originally in love with Julian, the Sleeper. (Sleeping lo=
ve?)
2. Upon his confrontation with his 'demons,' (either drug abuse, which I =
don't
particularly like the idea of, or some other unspecified 'habit') she bec=
omes
infatuated with, and runs to, Senator Edward, the Miracle. (Miraculous
redemption?)
3. When Julian has finished confronting his demons, he returns and Victor=
ia
realizes he has always held her heart. She leaves Edward.
4. Edward discovers, somehow, their secret rendezvous (although this is t=
he
only indication that the Miracle and the Sleeper may be telepathic, to my=
knowledge... any others?)
5. Edward kills them both (Open your eyes, Victoria) I *think*, and makes=
it
look like a murder/suicide, Julian unable to cope with the idea of loving=
his
brother's wife.
6. Edward is The Witness. For some reason it's not commented on that he i=
s the
suicider's brother in the article.
The last "past" section of Finally Free is confusing.
"As their bodies lie still / and the ending draws near" -- Isn't it alrea=
dy
over, as far as the past is concerned? Aren't they both dead already? Two=
shots have been fired, assuming The Miracle *was* the murderer, and *did*=
ultimately commit the crime.
"All their fears disappear, it all becomes clear / A blinding light comes=
into
view." The hypnotherapist refers to a bright light several times; is this=
merely reoccuring imagery of death, attempting to draw Nicholas further b=
ack,
to the time of Victoria's death?
"An old soul exchanged for a new / a familiar voice comes shining through=
=2E"
This part is unclear. Is it a way of saying Victoria is reincarnated as
Nicholas? If so, why is it an exchange of souls? An old for a new? No, t=
hat
doesn't fit. Is the familiar voice Nicholas? If it is a new soul that is
Nicholas', the voice couldn't be considered familiar.
Something happens in this last 'past' line that is unclear, as far as I c=
an
tell. It seems to indicate either than there is another mechanism at work=
,
another piece in play, or that the soul exchange is analagous to
reincarnation. The familiar voice that reappears in the actual song is cl=
early
Nicholas', but it shouldn't be familiar in the past, should it?
Well, anyway, there's my analysis after two listens. I don't understand t=
he
ending yet. I don't think purely listening will help either; I'm going to=
need
to do some more thinking about this.
The old man, I suspect, is not The Miracle. I think he might be either a =
red
herring or another character not yet understood.
And now that the moment struck, I've got a couple other thoughts.
Someone suggested that it might be a timeline of three lives; I don't
neccessairly believe that, but it might work. That would help to explain=
the
two 'open your eyes, Nicholas' at the end. The first one is followed not=
only
by the sounds of a car driving, but *past memories.* That seems a bit od=
d --
and then, at the end, they repeat Open Your Eyes, Nicholas, at which poin=
t he
either wakes up or realizes something. Clearly someone is *with* him, be=
cause
we hear the sound of footsteps.
What if Nicholas isn't Victoria? I recognize that he sees her in the mir=
ror,
however, he also cries for her. Why would she tell him not to cry for he=
r? =
Might he be Julian?
Anyway, more things to ponder.
Most curious, however, is the question of the ending. What does the stat=
ic
*mean*? :)
mjt
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 20:22:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ryan Veety <ryan@ryanspc.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: My ideas of the story
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.9910262010410.5028-100000@RyansPC.com>
Since Dream Theater seems to have a Christian belief, and in The Spirit
Carries On it is quite evident that they believe in a spirit passing into
heaven after death, I don't think Nicholas is a reincarnation of any past
charachter. I originally thought it was reincarnation the first few times
I listened to the cd, but now I think it is just Victoria's spirit
contacting him trying to tell someone the truth of what happened (kind of
like the movie The 6th Sence, or Stir of Echoes). Then, at the end of the
last song, there is the news broadcast on the radio. It must have some
significance - they don't just pull these things out of their asses
(asi?). It is something happening in Washington DC, could this be about
The Miracle? It says he is a Senator in the cast...Anyone else think of
this?
Ryan
NP: 08 - Home (at work, showing the guys)
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 20:22:59 -0400
From: "Daniel T. Chen" <daniel_chen@unc.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: SFaM... and more.
Message-ID: <381645E3.D706021B@unc.edu>
Hi folks!
Sadly, I received my backordered status from CDNow this afternoon.
Thank goodness I had already canceled my preorder. ;-) Promptly after
class today I raced to a local record store and proudly shelled out
$14.77. And what a $14.77 is has been and is going to be...
SFaM is most definitely amazing. I'm actually depressed that I just
received the new Tiles and Ice Age since I certainly won't be touching
them for a while. ;-) I'm not going to speculate on the story since a
very trustworthy source enlightened me to the "real" narrative. =)
It's all there, folks, just read it. I expected this album to be
amazing-- it is that and even more. Folks, you're all going to be
impressed. No, scratch that. Very impressed.
Oh, studying for this statistics exam won't be half as bad with this
new album blaring over Sitterson's PA system... ;-)
-d
P.S. To the band: I second my classmate, William Hall. You all *need*
to come down here to the southeast US (preferrably Raleigh, NC! ;-) and
give us a show! One show in NJ simply is not enough...
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 20:23:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen LaMonica <sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: To live forever and Eve In Met 2 Message-ID: <199910270023.UAA15954@polaris.sju.edu.sju.edu>
Ok, everyone, correct me if I'm wrong, but does Through her Eyes sound very similar to the guitar part in To live Forever? Also, there are parts that seem similar to Eve
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 20:42:08 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: SFaM story (* major spoilers if you don't have the disc yet*) Message-ID: <38164A60.7B664D5F@home.com>
Chris Oates said; > Victoria and Julian are lovers....... *SNIPPAGE*
I agree with most of what you say. In a nutshell..... They are lovers, then they break up. She gets together with Edward/The Miracle (not sure if they get married, or are just lovers too....). She eventually leaves The Miracle for Julian/The Sleeper. Like you said, Edward kills them both, and plants the suicide note. ALSO (and this is important), Edward was the witness to the crime, and makes up the story about how he tried to stop Julian from committing suicide.
Here's my take on the ending....(we differ here) Nicholas is woken at the BEGINNING of "Finally Free" (when the hypnotherapist tells him "open your eyes Nicholas" for the first time). You can hear Nicholas get in his car, and drive home.
At the END of "Finally Free" he gets home, watches the TV for a moment (and hears the news snippet about JFK Jr.). He shuts off the TV, makes himself a drink, pops on a record - and sits down to relax and listen to the music...... then you hear the door open (just barely hear it), and several footsteps... then SOMEBODY (the hypnotherapist?) tells him AGAIN "Open your eyes Nicholas" (just like the Miracle told Victoria "open your eyes Victoria" before he killed her), and he kills (or at least attempts to kill) Nicholas (the record player is disturbed in the struggle). IMO, the murderer of Nicholas at the end is probably the hypnotherapist, who is possibly the reincarnation of the Miracle.
IMO, the ending is a little homage to The Blair Witch Project (actually, I think this is fairly obvious, it's SO similar), especially since Portnoy had posted about how awesome that movie was (remember?). Care to comment on that Mr. Portnoy? :)
Also, I'm glad it's all a little ambiguous, and not TOO CLEAR. It would be kinda boring if they spelled it all out for us, and answered ALL the questions. By including that ending (which annoyed me after the first listen because I was like "WHAT THE FUCK!?"... but now i think it's brilliant), it left some mystery for us to discuss!
Here's a few things that confused me on the first couple of listens..... Everybody please open your liners to the "Finally Free" lyrics.
1. OK, under VICTORIA's dialogue "Their love renewed, they'd rendedezvous...." OK, this confused the shit out of me, because why would Victoria be saying "THEIR love..." and not "OUR love...."
2. AND.... under The Sleeper's dialogue "As their bodies lay still...." This confused me even more, since the Sleeper was dead. Why the hell would he say "....THEIR bodies....". This totally fucked me up, and led me to the conclusion that the Sleeper was the one who survived the struggle, and aparently killed the Miracle in self-defense. HOWEVER, that doesn't fit with the rest of the story, and I'm convinced that this paragraph is just narration, and not really the Sleeper's dialogue. The same goes for Victoria's paragraph--- it's really just narration.
OK, one more thing..... Does anybody have ANY clue why Julian and the senator are called The Miracle, and The Sleeper? I mean, aside from the obvious - just to connect it to Metro pt. 1. The boys have to come up with SOME reason for the nicknames, otherwise it seems a tad silly (I'd settle for any explanation, even if it's a bit of a stretch). Did I miss something? Anybody? Mr. Portnoy?
WHEW....
OK, anybody have any comments?
- Joe D.
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:43:34 -0500 From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net> To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: The Reviews Are In Message-ID: <002101bf2014$4dfe2800$235099d1@default>
The critics have spoken!....."Metropolis 2 is a masterpiece!"
The L.A. Times says "Magnificent! The band never sounded better"...... The Texas Star proclaims "Jordan Rudess is a modern day Mozart".... The Chicago Tribune writes "Mike Portnoys hands are destine for the Smithsonian"... The Washington Posts reports "Forget Y2K, DT is sweeping the country!....
Other breaking news. The Ty corporation says they are rushing to create a John Myung Beenie Baby. Representatives for the company say they are going to design a "fish" beenie. When asked why a fish, the company spokesman said.."there is a fish that is a bass and Mr. Myung plays a bass...Get it? And besides, fish don't talk and neither does John". There is also word out of New York state that claims there is a draft John Petrucci for state senate. When Mr. Petucci was asked to comment, he said "Man this sucks, I'm not in the fucking mood".
Please stay tuned for more late breaking news
Mike
Mike and Susan Verstraete www.sound.net/~homewks
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:59:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@yahoo.com> To: "DT list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: kicks butt Message-ID: <19991027005902.17296.rocketmail@web118.yahoomail.com>
I wasn't really in the mood for another concept album...but this album is different. Its great. Definitely the best disc I've purchased in a long time...
NP: M2-SFAM
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 20:54:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: The Reviews Are In Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9910262054230.10466-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Mike & Susan Verstraete wrote:
> The critics have spoken!....."Metropolis 2 is a masterpiece!" > > The L.A. Times says "Magnificent! The band never sounded better"...... > The Texas Star proclaims "Jordan Rudess is a modern day Mozart".... > The Chicago Tribune writes "Mike Portnoys hands are destine for the > Smithsonian"... > The Washington Posts reports "Forget Y2K, DT is sweeping the country!....
Hah, if ONLY this could happen...
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 20:59:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: another possible interpretation of the ending (SPOILER) Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.9910262054060.62094-100000@archa14.cc.uga.edu>
TheCowGod wrote:
<< thats a very interesting interpretation. the one i had (which i admit is sort of stretching it) was that the psychotherapist was the reincarnation of the Miracle (the senator), and so he finds out (through nicholas's hypnosis session) that nicholas was victoria, and is still angry over what she did to him. Nicholas sits in his car for hours and ponders what he learned and what it means to his own life, then goes home only to find that the psychotherapist went to his house ahead of him and surprises him, then kills him a second time. thats why he says "open your eyes, nicholas", which is the same thing that he said when he killed him the first time as victoria- "open your eyes, victoria." and the record scratch is the sound of them struggling. but i think yours makes more sense :) <<
I think that's it. I'm pretty sure the hypnotherapist, AKA Miracle reincarnated, kills Nikki (heh heh) at the end. BUT....... the newscast thing confuses me. It almost sounds like it takes place in the past, but it can't because Nikki (heh heh), aka Victoria, is already dead in that time frame. Better be sure I'll be on that chat tonight :) BTW, the hypnotherapist is also Dr. X, and the Miracle killed Mary in one of those lives. That Scenes from my Trinity thing was probably the funniest thing I have ever read.
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:25:28 -0600 From: "Chuck Reis" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: SFaM *Spoilers* Message-ID: <003001bf201a$3bb4b3c0$580d84d0@safelink.net>
I've got it all figured out.
See, herein lies the answer to the story:
John has been watching too many "American Gothic" reruns on the Sci-Fi channel and Mike just finished (or was in the process of) reading Stephen King's "The Dark Half" during the writing of the lyrics of this album.
It's an outstanding CD. I'm not going to delve too deep in understanding the story myself as I think I might go insane. hehehe. The concept and storyline of this CD >KICKS ASS<. I think the Nobel committee might need to reconsider who to award their Literature Prize to. :)
Jordan is alot less in control of this album than I thought he would be. It almost seems that I hear Mike over everyone. :D Consider the producer, I suppose, but I'm not complaining. Mike, you can come and drum out Forever Free on my manboobs anyday. :)
But this album is something I would never have expected even from DT. It's too damn good. Too fluid. Too right. A >very< pleasant surprise, even from a longtime listener. Job well done, Mike. It's amazing to see what someone can do with a castrated dog and two dozen conch shells. :) What? -- KorgX3 has only listened to it once. That's enough for my lifetime. :)
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 21:51:18 EDT From: D2112T@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Meeting the Guys ! Message-ID: <0.51637e0b.2547b496@aol.com>
Hey Everybody
Just got in from the DT signing....they were all really cool about it, especially Mike as always..
plus I actually got Myung to smile when I asked him if there was anything I could sign for him :) I consider this a major accomplishment
thanks guys if you read this :)
========================================================== darlene m. toporcer D2112T@aol.com Lecturer of Aviation Weather "...the true sign of intelligent life in the universe is that it hasnt tried to contact us..."
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 20:42:27 -0600 From: "Chuck Reis" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: SFaM *Spoilers* Message-ID: <001101bf2024$ec959240$580d84d0@safelink.net>
> suppose, but I'm not complaining. Mike, you can come and drum out Forever > Free on my manboobs anyday. :)
hahaha. I meant Finally Free. Had to correct myself before someone else corrected my... self... indeed. hehehe. Can you tell I haven't listened to this album much lately? :) Er. I'm just starting to. Agh! This Frank Zappa part scares me! *hides* -- KorgX3
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 22:51:50 -0400 From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: SFaM story (* major spoilers if you don't have the disc yet*) Message-ID: <381668C6.CF9BCBDB@wezl.org>
That makes perfect sense to me...after a whole month of trying to figure out the story :) God what a brilliant concept!!!
Joe DeAngelo wrote: >
> Here's my take on the ending....(we differ here) > Nicholas is woken at the BEGINNING of "Finally Free" (when the > hypnotherapist tells him "open your eyes Nicholas" for the first time). > You can hear Nicholas get in his car, and drive home. > > At the END of "Finally Free" he gets home, watches the TV for a moment > (and hears the news snippet about JFK Jr.). He shuts off the TV, makes > himself a drink, pops on a record - and sits down to relax and listen to > the music...... then you hear the door open (just barely hear it), and > several footsteps... then SOMEBODY (the hypnotherapist?) tells him AGAIN > "Open your eyes Nicholas" (just like the Miracle told Victoria "open > your eyes Victoria" before he killed her), and he kills (or at least > attempts to kill) Nicholas (the record player is disturbed in the > struggle). IMO, the murderer of Nicholas at the end is probably the > hypnotherapist, who is possibly the reincarnation of the Miracle.
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:01:35 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: McKean's SFaM cover (*VERY minor spoilers about the cover*) Message-ID: <38166B0F.72A06271@home.com>
I have to mention one thing....
Skipping talk about how great the music of SFaM is for the moment (I want to listen more to this AMAZING disc before I really try to discuss the music too much).....
I have to say big kudos to Dream Theater for; 1. Returning to the kickass old DT font we know and love!
2. Using the incredible Dave McKean for the cover artwork! I was 95% sure the first time I glimpsed the cover that it was him, and I was delighted to find that I was correct!
Everybody should check out the unofficial Dave McKean site "Dreamline". It's got some nice galleries of this great and prolific artist's work, including most of the MANY CD covers he's done (including DT, Mullmuzzler, Testament, Paradise Lost, Tori Amos, Dali's Dilemma, Alice Cooper, Fear Factory, Front Line Assembly, the ELP tribute, My Dying Bride, and James Murphy to name a few).
I think my fave covers are the SFaM, as well as Testament's "Low" and "Demonic", FF's "Demanufacture", and Lowcraft-"One of Us" (I don't know that band, but the cover rocks!)
Here's the site: http://www.erasing.org/dreamline/
Laters!
- Joe D.
P.S. - note to Mike P. - - > > > You guys surely didn't disappoint us with ANY aspect of the new disc! DAMN!
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