YTSEJAM Digest 5132
Today's Topics:
1) Re: SFAM (no spoilers)
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
2) TFS Delivery Failure: YTSEJAM digest 5131
by administrator@itsyourlife.com
3) Re: amazon.com sucks
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
4) Make your ranting factual
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
5) Re: And they called him... "Brian"
by "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se>
6) Re: SFAM ***SPOILERS!!!***
by "Mike Patrick" <mvpatrick@home.com>
7) SFAM reviews
by Adam Cook <ac003i@mail.rochester.edu>
8) Radio Request Blitz
by Chris Jerolamon <ckj@UDel.Edu>
9) Crush 'Em
by Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
10) New DEREK SHERINIAN Interview
by "michael m." <mlnglst@hotmail.com>
11) Re: SFAM ***SPOILERS!!!***
by JamesAhab@aol.com
12) Re: amazon.com sucks
by JamesAhab@aol.com
13) What the fuck???
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
14) The Little Brother Test
by "Chuck Reis" <korgx3@safelink.net>
15) Re: The Little Brother Test
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
16) Radio play....
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
17) the storm before the overhype?
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
18) Re: the storm before the overhype?
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
19) Re: The Little Brother Test
by JamesAhab@aol.com
20) Re: Radio play....
by JamesAhab@aol.com
21) KSHE95 played "Home" !!!
by "Jeff Perrot" <jperrot@siue.edu>
22) Re: Make your ranting factual
by Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
23) The new radio campaign
by "Robert A. Jurado, MPH" <rojurado@pacific.net.ph>
24) !!! SPOILERS !!!
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
25) Re: Make your ranting factual
by "Chuck Reis" <korgx3@safelink.net>
26) My final Hayden Radio points, pt. 1
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:58:05 -0400
From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: SFAM (no spoilers)
Message-ID: <00e601bf1db2$72a40800$702010ac@clemson.edu>
]From: Matt Birskovich <mattb@primenet.com>
Subject: SFAM ***SPOILERS!!!***
it is very tempting to reply to this, because i and pretty much everyone i
have talked to who has heard the cd completely disagree with you, and i dont
want anyone who read it who hasn't heard it yet to get the wrong impression,
but i will wait till tuesday. just wanted to let anyone know that his is not
the only opinion, in fact, (except for on #ytsejam, but we all know thats
not exactly a collection of genius :) its in the minority.
p.s. i myself often frequent #ytsejam so dont no one go getting pissed at me
for that comment. its self-deprecation. moo.
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:09:28 -0400
From: administrator@itsyourlife.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Cc: administrator@itsyourlife.com
Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: YTSEJAM digest 5131
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:28:22 -0700
From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: amazon.com sucks
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991023202744.0097dae0@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
Andrew, I have clear plastic labels designed for braillling on that I stick
on the jewel case of each CD.
At 11:57 AM 10/23/99 , you wrote:
>On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Damon Fibraio wrote:
>
> > Trent, i did open it, I had no sighted help around at he time, (I am
> > blind) and when I put it in the CD player, that ended any hope of a
> > refund.
>
>Can't you use that as a disclaimer for being able to send it back? I
>mean, it would be awfully mean of a company to deny anything to a blind
>guy because he couldn't see the title on the CD. You could at least
>present your argument (the same way you did with us), explain that you
>thought it might have been a special CD that you didn't think you owned,
>and then tell them that you didn't have any help in determining which CD
>it was and so played it. I know if I were a company exec I could
>sympathize with an argument like this - it's a powerful thing.
>
>Which brings me to a question for you: Do you put braille tags on all your
>CDs? I would assume that this is so, for you to be able to properly
>catalog and find all of them. Just a little bit of curiosity on my
>part... I've had a few blind friends in my past, but I never saw any of
>their CD collections. ;)
>
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>Andrew Coutermarsh
>a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
>http://cout.dhs.org/
>Cloak on IRC
>ICQ: 2513441
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>The only stupid question is the one that is never
>asked, except maybe "Don't you think it's about
>time you audited my tax return?" or "But officer,
>isn't it morally wrong to give me a warning when,
>in fact, I was speeding?"
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-- Damon Fibraio dfibraio@home.com computer consultant, musician, radio broadcaster, and public nuisance Listen to No Holds Barred Radio every Tuesday night from 8 to 11 p.m. Eastern time. go to http://www.nhbradio.com for more details or point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944. Comedy on the Internet. "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time, Images and Words------------------------------
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:08:53 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Make your ranting factual Message-ID: <38125C25.9D115942@isd.net>
Brian Hayden wrote: >You typed, in capital no letters no less, that you wanted to get this on >the radio because "the fucking cd isn't out yet." Remember that? Again, I >can paste it if you need a refresher.
Oh PLEASE do. First off, I NEVER swore at the 93X staff. The only time I used any swear words in my 93X exchanges was when I referred to Hard Radio as being "THE SHIT" for metal radio. The post you are referring to was posted to the Jam and directed at YOU! Furthermore, I never used the word "fucking" in that, or any post to 93X. Another thing.. *I* never called ANYONE a fascist. Get your shit together. Before you paste ANYTHING you better make sure who authored it and who the recipient was. Because if you're wrong I'm going to feast on your fuck up.
BTW, I saved every exchange with 93X and the Jam regarding that topic. You better go back and do some careful reading.. -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When you live in the land of 10,000 lakes, it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water.
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 03:20:14 +0200 From: "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: And they called him... "Brian" Message-ID: <38125ECE.3ADBE837@home.se>
KorgX3 wrote:
> One thing, though, is we both like > Tool and Shania Twain. Kind of funny how that works, eh? hehehehe.
Finally a Shania fan. I thought I'd never admit I like Shania Twain, but since you mentioned it I just couldn't hold it in any longer. She has a totally awesome voice. -- Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater Sallskapet http://sdts.cjb.net - mailto:sdts@home.se
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:25:11 -0400 From: "Mike Patrick" <mvpatrick@home.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: SFAM ***SPOILERS!!!*** Message-ID: <00ff01bf1db6$3c5f5fc0$6da20418@CT466024-A.nblvil1.in.home.com>
>I also wish that they would keep some common themes constantly going >through the entire album
Yes. That's one of the reasons I like Awake so well - the intermingling melodies and pop up across songs. Very cool...
> I don't feel that Petrucci has grown at all since his last effort, >namely, LTE II, which is disappointing since I have seen him grow in every >albom I've listened to up until now.
Well, excuse me for saying so, but WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU EXPECT?!?!?!?!?! LTE2 was recorded like 1 year ago! How much did you expect his playing to evolve in that time? Give me a break...
>James also takes no chances vocally, >staying in the same a la Pink Floyd range throughout almost the whole >albom.
James has made some choices in the past and had his ass handed to him on a platter by a lot of fans. Personally, I LIKE him toned down a little...
>To me, the albom breaks no new ground.
THAT I will not argue with. Everyone who has heard it so far is spooging all over themselves, but to me, I've HEARD this before - not literally, but figuratively. It certainly has that LTE2 'half composed, half jamming' vibe to it. It'll grow on me, but I increasingly find myself attracted to other bands in the same genre. Is DT the most capable? Yeah, probably. Top of the heap? Certainly. Most interesting? Nope.
Mike
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:48:03 -0400 From: Adam Cook <ac003i@mail.rochester.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: SFAM reviews Message-ID: <38126553.AF3506BC@mail.rochester.edu>
Ok. A warning needs to be sent now. NOBODY should post a multipage review of their critique of their new album after listening to it just once. I dont' care if you like the album or hate it on your first listen. Know why? Because then we're going to have to hear a shitload of posts about "well now that I've listened to the album more..." kinds of posts. There's going to be enough traffic as it is.
Listen to the album several times before you post your reviews!!!!!!!! Thank you.
Adam
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 22:04:10 -0400 From: Chris Jerolamon <ckj@UDel.Edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Radio Request Blitz Message-ID: <38126919.5420616C@udel.edu>
How about this for a strategy...if anyone hears "Home" on their local radio station, send out the word to the jam immediately! From there we can all request the song under the pretense we had heard the song before on the station.
In terms of targeted stations, we ought to stick to the major markets, like LA and NYC. I think NYC would be best because DT is semi-local to that area, and that's just another excuse to request their music.
-- Chris Jerolamon ckj@udel.edu
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:53:59 -0500 From: Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Crush 'Em Message-ID: <19991023.205400.-3686979.0.schnapster@juno.com>
Hmm, I was just listening to Megadeth's Crush 'Em. Is it just me, or does the bass line at the beginning of the song sound strikingly similar to the song "Funky Town" by Lipps, Inc.?
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 02:45:27 GMT From: "michael m." <mlnglst@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New DEREK SHERINIAN Interview Message-ID: <19991024024527.47266.qmail@hotmail.com>
A new Derek Sherinian interview with interesting answers about DREAM THEATER can be found at: http://www.progmetal.net/interviews/interderek.shtml
It also has info on PlanetX
- MichaelM
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:12:52 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: SFAM ***SPOILERS!!!*** Message-ID: <0.50247f14.2543d334@aol.com>
>< OK, so I went to Cheap-cds.com, hoping to get the CD ordered and here by a little after the release date, but they sent it to me early. I must say that, on *first* listen, I am over-all disappointed. The concept is an interesting one. However, these things have been done in too many similar ways before. The lyrics do not seem half as thoughtful as in the past. ><
Don't worry, you'll learn to like it. Seriously, when i first herad it in it's entirety, I was thinking "Hmm. This isn't as good as I thought it'd be." Now I fucking love it.
And I agree with your point about the lyrics. It is lyrically better than FII, but not most of their other stuff. However, I can accept that because when doing a concept album such as this, you have to make a lot of sacrifices. And maybe something very good was replaced by something not so good because it was more fitting to the concept and the whole album, and not just a particular song. More often than not, concept album lyrics are kind of bad because they tell a story rather than make you think, but I think they did a good job here.
Jim brooks
np - conception: flow
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:20:57 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: amazon.com sucks Message-ID: <0.209a0896.2543d519@aol.com>
>< Trent, i did open it, I had no sighted help around at he time, (I am blind) and when I put it in the CD player, that ended any hope of a refund. ><
I hope you're not insulted by my asking this, but how do you read the computer screen? I've always wondered this. I thought I heard something about monitors for the blind, but I don't see how that's possible (I'm sure it is).
JB
np - spock's beard: kindness of strangers
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:39:06 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: What the fuck??? Message-ID: <38127F5A.3EBB954A@home.com>
Brian Hayden said: > I agree completely with what he said...if you like the band so > much, put 'em in your damn cd player.
and... > Oh please. I'm sure a self-appointed tech god like you could get the > single off the net in about 2.3 seconds if you wanted to hear it that > much.
Errrrr....... ummmmmm........ are you missing something here Brian? I believe AL, myself, and every other jammer (except yourself) want DT to get played on the radio for the BAND'S benefit (so they sell more records), NOT so WE can hear the damn song.
I mean, I'm listening to the fucking MP3 right now as I type, but I still want the single to get played A LOT on the radio (and I dont' even listen to the radio)!
I'm sure this isn't ACTUALLY the case.... but It APPEARS that your goal is this - - - > > > Only the 1,000 or so Jammers (and NOBODY else) buy SFaM, DT goes broke and breaks up..... and we can have great discussions on the Jam about how great Dream Theater WAS, and how sad it is that they had to break up due to poor record sales.
Sorry to be a dick, but I just don't understand, - Joe D.
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:48:46 -0600 From: "Chuck Reis" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: The Little Brother Test Message-ID: <001901bf1dd2$e0803720$580d84d0@safelink.net>
The Experiment: To determine whether or not my little brother enjoys the new Dream Theater single, "Home." -- The Test Subject: My younger brother, Eric. -- The Control: A Michael Jordan poster on the wall. -- Prior to applicating this test, I gave the subject no information about the music I was about to play for him. He went in with a completely clean slate. Due to his prior exposure to the band's earlier material (and the unremovable grin on my face) he was able to determine for himself that the band was indeed Dream Theater during the course of the experiment. After delivering the test, I proceeded to ask him some questions about his experience. -- Q: Do you like the song? A: It's OK. -- Q: What don't you like about it? A: The singer. -- Q: What don't you like about the singer? A: Well, I'm used to singers that sing in a lower key. I guess If I listened to it a little more I could get used to him. -- Q: So you think you could like the song with a few more listens? A: Probably, I think so. -- Q: But if you heard this song on the radio, would you change the station? A: Probably. I dunno. I might give them a chance, but I'm not big on listening to stuff I don't know. -- Q: What do you think could make the song better? A: The guitars need to be louder. I'd prefer different vocals but they're OK. Everything else sounds really good. -- Q: Would you like to keep this CD? (I burned it on a CD to tote over) A: No. You can keep it. (heheh, I figured) -- Observations: ]From the moment the song started, he got this bright look. He really, really liked the intro riff. But, unfortunately, the moment James opened his mouth, he quickly gathered his jaw off of the floor and got this bewildered look. He was really, really trying to get into the song, but James' high vocals really turned him off. Apparently he says that he could learn to enjoy the song, but makes the choice not to. He did state outside of the experiment that he really liked all of the instrumental passages.
Post-experiment information: After the test I described what situations brought out the need for the test. I showed him the 93-X website and he agreed that he recognized and like almost all of the material on their setlist. The subject claims that his answers were all honest and there were no misleadings due to the tester being his brother. There were no visible changes in the control and it would not comment on its exposure to the music.
I guess that says it. :) -- KorgX3
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 00:04:05 -0400 From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: The Little Brother Test Message-ID: <016901bf1dd4$d0971de0$702010ac@clemson.edu>
]From: Chuck Reis <korgx3@safelink.net> Subject: The Little Brother Test
> The Control: A Michael Jordan poster on the wall. .. > being his brother. There were no visible changes in the control and it > would not comment on its exposure to the music.
haha, its really good to have you back, korg :)
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 00:13:07 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Radio play.... Message-ID: <38128753.3810F01E@home.com>
Mr. Hayden said: > Face it, we all think DT is damn cool, but most people just > don't dig that kind of music.
Well somehow DT managed to sell 500,000 copies of Images and Words in America alone, probably 90% based on the radio play garnered by "Pull Me Under" (I remember when it came out, for a few weeks the two songs that probably got THE MOST radio play on Z-Rock Houston were PMU, and "Plush" by Stone Temple Pilots....... they played the shit out of both).
Personally, before I got my first DT disc, (which is now my favorite band based SOLELY on hearing PMU, and later CiaW a LOT of times on the radio), I was (to quote you, Brian) "most people". At the time, I was mostly listening to Van Halen, Metallica, and Guns N Roses (all very popular, fairly mainstream bands back then in '92-'94), and I'd never even heard of prog.
- Joe D.
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:12:02 PDT From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: the storm before the overhype? Message-ID: <19991024041203.10930.qmail@hotmail.com>
as far as the guy just getting ACoS the other day.....I just got my first CD copy of Awake in the mail yesterday
Does the tape and CD have different track orderings? I lost my tape to the cheap shit boomboxes hungry cassette deck gods a while ago, and right after CiaW, my mind was heading in erotomanical directions, but the CD had other ideas.....
anyway....i would be listening to DT in anticipation of M2's arrival Tuesday, except for the fact that Friday's mail brought me "Signify" by Porcupine Tree....love at first listen, that's one way to describe it.
Their "Stupid Dream" disc has a shot at #1 of 1999 in my mind, and that band, along with Fish (solo and Marillion output) qualify as my personal discoveries of the year
Don't know if anyone would notice in the mountain of monotonous praise i expect to see for M2 in the days ahead, but i'd love to see a few notes about what bands you may have discovered and gone head over heels for in 1999....me, since learning about Fish (by obtaining Script for a Jester's Tear) in, oh, i think it was March, bought no less than 6 CDs featuring the guy within the next two months
Porcupine Tree started in late August, and i can very definitely see myself getting more by the end of the year......
Anyway.....
Al: after all the stuff you've said around here, I'm surprised to see you being so thin-skinned, considering stopping "wasting bandwidth" (your words) on the jam with your audio-tech talk, just cuz one or two guys busting your chops about it.....me, I find that stuff boring as hell, (as i do just about all tech/gear talk, meaning I'm NOT singling you out or anything) but your audio gear specifications/ news/advice DOES have a place on this forum
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:44:25 -0500 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: the storm before the overhype? Message-ID: <2.2.32.19991024044425.015b8c98@pi-r-squared.com>
>Don't know if anyone would notice in the mountain of monotonous praise i >expect to see for M2 in the days ahead, but i'd love to see a few notes >about what bands you may have discovered and gone head over heels for in >1999....me, since learning about Fish (by obtaining Script for a Jester's >Tear) in, oh, i think it was March, bought no less than 6 CDs featuring the >guy within the next two months > I too recently discovered Fish (and consequently Marillion, or should that be the other way around? ). I downloaded some mp3's off Misplaced Childhood, and listened to them in track order. Wasn't too impressed at first, but soon I found myself, without even realizing it, playing these tracks OVER AND OVER. Before I knew it, I was hooked. I now plan on including several Marillion (and Fish) cd's on my Christmas wishlist. They're one of the few bands I've encountered that can match Floyd for mood and artistry (when they're not making sap rock like Kayleigh (ugh) ). I can also hear their influence EVERYWHERE. Does anyone else hear influence from Misplaced Childhood in APSOG? and DT... well.. I used to think TWIUTB sounded like U2, now I think it sounds like Marillion :P Cya.
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 01:35:14 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: The Little Brother Test Message-ID: <0.9bec459c.2543f492@aol.com>
>< Q: What don't you like about it? A: The singer. -- Q: What don't you like about the singer? A: Well, I'm used to singers that sing in a lower key. I guess If I listened to it a little more I could get used to him. -- Q: What do you think could make the song better? A: The guitars need to be louder. I'd prefer different vocals but they're OK. Everything else sounds really good.
He really, really liked the intro riff. But, unfortunately, the moment James opened his mouth, he quickly gathered his jaw off of the floor and got this bewildered look. He was really, really trying to get into the song, but James' high vocals really turned him off. ><
Of course. Not to say I don't like him and that's he's not a great vocalist, but James (and maybe the presence of keyboards) are why 90% of radio listeners don't like DT. I can understand it, not liking some vocalists myself because they're too high-picthed.
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 01:37:22 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Radio play.... Message-ID: <0.9d3f612e.2543f512@aol.com>
>< Mr. Hayden said: > Face it, we all think DT is damn cool, but most people just > don't dig that kind of music.
Well somehow DT managed to sell 500,000 copies of Images and Words in America alone, probably 90% based on the radio play garnered by "Pull Me Under" (I remember when it came out, for a few weeks the two songs that probably got THE MOST radio play on Z-Rock Houston were PMU, and "Plush" by Stone Temple Pilots....... they played the shit out of both). Personally, before I got my first DT disc, (which is now my favorite band based SOLELY on hearing PMU, and later CiaW a LOT of times on the radio), I was (to quote you, Brian) "most people". At the time, I was mostly listening to Van Halen, Metallica, and Guns N Roses (all very popular, fairly mainstream bands back then in '92-'94), and I'd never even heard of prog. ><
Well "most people" have gotten stupider since 1992.
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 00:39:24 -0500 From: "Jeff Perrot" <jperrot@siue.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: KSHE95 played "Home" !!! Message-ID: <NBBBJDHGEPGCLIGIBEOMOEKECBAA.jperrot@siue.edu>
Hey St. Louis Jammers, just wondering who requested it (about 3:30 on Sat.), as I know they wouldn't normally play DT. That was cool -- something I totally didn't expect here. I'm going to call in tomorrow....
(No petition necessary, just checking in.)
Jeff
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 01:24:06 -0500 From: Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Make your ranting factual Message-ID: <B4381036.443%hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
]From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 18:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Make your ranting factual
> Brian Hayden wrote: >> You typed, in capital no letters no less, that you wanted to get this on >> the radio because "the fucking cd isn't out yet." Remember that? Again, I >> can paste it if you need a refresher. > > Oh PLEASE do. First off, I NEVER swore at the 93X staff. The only time > I used any swear words in my 93X exchanges was when I referred to Hard > Radio as being "THE SHIT" for metal radio. The post you are referring to > was posted to the Jam and directed at YOU!
Ummmm...duh. I never said it was aimed at 93X. Read the following quote:
Brian: "...you could get the single off the net in about 2.3 seconds if you wanted to hear it that much."
You: "That's not the point of getting "Home" played."
An earlier quote from you:
"If your head was someplace other than your ass, you too would realize I CAN'T PLAY IT IN MY CD PLAYER UNTIL IT'S RELEASED!"
So, obviously you wanting to hear the song WAS the point, to some extent, unless you misled us at some point.
> Furthermore, I never used the > word "fucking" in that, or any post to 93X.
Excuse me, I inserted the profanity on my own. But I had the caps right. :)
> Another thing.. *I* never called > ANYONE a fascist. Get your shit together. Before you paste ANYTHING > you better make sure who authored it and who the recipient was. Because > if you're wrong I'm going to feast on your fuck up.
Oh, excuuuuse me, I'm sorry, you didn't call them fascist in your email to them. You called them, and I quote, "Hitler Radio." That's muuuuuuch better than fascist. Get a life. Here's a quote just in case you forgot:
93X: "P.S. - See how nice we are? We even answered you despite your nasty "Hitler Radio" comment, what's up with that anyway?"
Al: "You can thank your music director for that one. My associate informed me that that person single-handedly made the choice for the entire metro area. Kinda sounds like Nazi radio programming to me."
There ya go. Any more weasling you want to do? Let me know, this is actually getting to be fun shooting you down. In the interest of thoroughness, the above quote can be found at ftp://ftp.dreamt.org/pub/ytsejam/ytsejam.5113. Digest 5113, for those of you that save them.
> BTW, I saved every exchange with 93X and the Jam regarding that topic. > You better go back and do some careful reading..
Heh, apparently you need to take your own advice sir.
-Brian
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 14:31:04 +0700 From: "Robert A. Jurado, MPH" <rojurado@pacific.net.ph> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The new radio campaign Message-ID: <3812B5B8.51A77EDB@pacific.net.ph>
> From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> > Subject: The radio campaign > > Before we start another radio campaign I think we need to establish some > kind of framework.
This is also a good suggestion. Please post what you guys comeup with. Suggestion for my benefit. ;) Since I'm most probably out of state--being in the Philippines--maybe a list of radio stations with web feeds could be compiled, or something. So, it's at least conceivable that out-of-staters could be part of the listener base of a radio station (internet or otherwise).
-Rob
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 08:26:23 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: !!! SPOILERS !!! Message-ID: <3813251F.2241@fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
In Germany SFAM is allready out since Friday.
Words can't describe my feelings while listining to the most exciting album ever.
Scenes From A Memory is the Magnum Opus in the Prog history. It's like drugs for your ears. You have to hear it over and over again.
The best concept album ever made.
NP: DT - Finally Free (track)
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 01:42:20 -0600 From: "Chuck Reis" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Make your ranting factual Message-ID: <002501bf1df3$97bbf800$4d0d84d0@safelink.net>
Brian tried to sxpose Al as bring a dork by re-posting: > "If your head was someplace other than your ass, you too would realize I > CAN'T PLAY IT IN MY CD PLAYER UNTIL IT'S RELEASED!"
Yet forgot to include himself saying: >Fridays. I agree completely with what he said...if you like the band so >much, put 'em in your damn cd player.
You're the one who brought up telling Al he should play his CD instead. Al was simply stating that he CAN'T because the CD isn't released yet. Stick that in your ass and wipe it.
Now you're going to go on and spout "CD? MP3? What's the fuckin' difference!?!?!?! Korg, you dumbass!!!" And I'm going to say "Go fuck yourself with a jackhammer, Brian." and you're going to say, "Now, THERE'S an intelligent response. What a maroon." and I'm going to say, "Takes one to know one" and then Skadz is going to say, "Both of you go fuck yourselves or get off of this list." and then Pat's going to say, "Hey, Al, don't you owe me some tapes?" and the cycle begins again. :)
There. That puts an end to Brian's latest independant crusade. Who's for Oreos? -- KorgX3 likes to lick 'em and dunk 'em.
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 03:37:50 -0500 From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: My final Hayden Radio points, pt. 1 Message-ID: <19991024033750.A46198@enteract.com>
Brian says: > counterproductive to do it in such a confrontational manner,
Absolutely, 100% agreed, by all parties. No need to dwell on this point. Address some of the other issues.
> and that most > people, like it or not, don't want to hear the song anyway, so who are you > to say it should be played, you who won't even ever listen to the station? > This is a pretty obvious line of thought, I would think.
This is a pretty ignorant line of thought, I think. First off, a hard rock radio market differs SIGNIFICANTLY from those which you later mention. Why? Because RARELY do hard rock radio listeners have an option to listen to another station. I DEAL WITH IT when I hear Metallica, my LEAST FAVORITE BAND, played on a metal station. I DEAL with it when I hear a no name band with nothing inspiring that I can perceive. I don't consider it to be a betrayal on the part of the station. And I DO go nuts and get psyched when I hear something new and wicked. You are not allowing people to consider DT. You are choosing for them. It would be ignorant for you to tell me "You wouldn't like Becker's Raspberry Jams, because you have heard most of those licks already" because you can't POSSIBLY fathom what I think about when I hear Jason's music. You can speak for yourself, and MAYBE those like you, but you can't pretend to dictate what people from other backgrounds will like or dislike. My mom loves TranSiberian Orchestra. I would never have guessed that. What if I never gave her the chance to hear it? She simply wouldn't have heard it. A potential fan, who would never hear something she would end up liking. You're playing the same game that that annoying DJ was playing with his phone requests. At some point, someone has to use his or her brain and discover music, whether it's someone at Viacom, someone at a big radio station, or a random listener... no one in this chain is more valuable than the other, in my opinion.
> Like I said....harassing someone won't change a damn thing. Even getting > the song on won't change anything.
Bullshit. It's the only effect we are hoping for. All we want is a chance to hear what we like on the radio, when it's a reasonable request. Right now, it's as fair to request Home as it is to request a new Sammy Hagar tune. No one is asking them to play Thrakatak. No one is planning on, or counting on a radio station's rotation of Home to make the album go platinum in the first 10 minutes. We just want people to have a chance to hear them, because they're doing something we think is special, not in a "prog" or "technical" way, but in a musical way. How is that unreasonable, considering the style of the song, and the style of music? Have you heard Home? As for "The people in power," who the fuck cares about them? I want to get this music to the high school freshman who is in his second year of rock drum lessons; to the Kiss fan who likes dramatic music; to the open minded people who don't tell their friends what they can and can't like. Your little radio station WILL be sold and WILL change formats. No one really cares about the station, since in that respect, it's MOST ASSUREDLY out of any listener's hands (when Evergreen Media decides they want a station, they GET the station). We want DT to have a CHANCE with a demographic that they can and do appeal to... not a change in the demographic's tastes, or an influence on their lives, but a CHANCE. It's what good radio is about... being a successful formula, and a responsive entity, that makes you WANT to tune back in.
> Do you honestly think that playing DT is going to attract any more > listeners to their station?
They honor other requests that I am sure don't do anything to attract listeners to the station.
> And exactly how is calling people fascist and ignorant and unenlightened > and blah blah blah going to get them on your side? Let's think about this.
Don't cop out of the point being made. You said people are striving for validation, which I believe is untrue. You're clinging to this one thing about "you're being mean, and it's not gonna help" which we all agree upon... address some of the other issues.
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