YTSEJAM Digest 5093
Today's Topics:
1) RE: Scenes from a 12th Note?
by "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com>
2) re: ProgPower Festival
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
3) re: ProgPower Festival
by "Rene Janssen" <rhm.janssen@civility.nl>
4) Live Tension Experiment 2-CD boot
by "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
5) Another CDNOW $10 discount
by "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
6) Re: Online Radio Stations (NDTC)
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
7) Continuing to SYnthesize
by Chris Oates <coates@objy.com>
8) the wire(no spoiler)
by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
9) Re: Jonas Hellborg
by Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
10) My Thoughts on the new album (Some Spoiler I Guess)
by "Mike Kramer" <blexkin3@hotmail.com>
11) re: triton/trinity
by Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
12) Aghora
by "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
13) Re: triton/trinity
by Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
14) New album discussions (NO SPOILERS HERE)
by mkizer@csc.com
15) JR's video
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
16) Howard Stern daily info site
by "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
17) FII album title
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
18) Recipe for passing the time 'til SFaM
by TEDESCO MATTHEW A <Matthew.Tedesco@Colorado.EDU>
19) Appetizer - slight spoiler
by "Thomas Neubaum" <Thomas.Neubaum@jura.stud.uni-erlangen.de>
20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5091
by "Tom Johnson" <signals2000@home.com>
21) Spock's Beard
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:34:34 -0400
From: "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Scenes from a 12th Note?
Message-ID: <6D70903196D4D11190680008C728A61D026B1A00@HQEXS01>
>That's what this "veil" must be all about. They don't want us to know that
>80% of the album is in 19/12. :)
>*sigh* :)
>~Brian
Maybe it will include a cover of Tchaikovsky's "18/12 Overture"?
--Zircon the Blue
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 8:50:19 EDT
From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
To: <rhm.janssen@civility.nl>, <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: re: ProgPower Festival
Message-ID: <vines.wSc5++i8xrA@tcx.tcco.com>
Will this ProgPower festival be taped for video sales? That sounds like an
awesome lineup of bands.
Thanks - Chung in NYC
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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 14:48:47 +0200
From: "Rene Janssen" <rhm.janssen@civility.nl>
To: <CNG@tcco.com>, <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: re: ProgPower Festival
Message-ID: <s7f4c8e2.085@mail.roccwise.nl>
Chung,
> Chung Ng <CNG@tcco.com> 10/01/99 02:50pm >>>
>Will this ProgPower festival be taped for video sales? That sounds like =
an=20
>awesome lineup of bands.
Possibly! We are busy with this but nothing is sure. Maybe a liveCD will =
be released with 1 song of each band! I will keep you all informed.
Groetjes,
Ren=E9 Janssen
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:09:53 -0500
From: "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Live Tension Experiment 2-CD boot
Message-ID: <000901bf0c1f$03f26540$a22e88cf@jammer>
Adam.... you might want to check Scarred Records' site.. They are getting
ready to release several of those Live LTE dates...
Um.....what size is your Images & Words T-shirt?? XL ? :)
Jan-Michael
>From: Adam Sanford <ahs8t@virginia.edu>
>Subject: LTE boot wanted
>Howdy all!
>(boots/trading are legit list material, right? If not, I didn't
>see anything to that effect on the subscription info, sorry!)
>Does anyone know where I could get my hands on the 'Live Tension
>Experiment' 2-CD boot? I'd be willing to trade or buy.
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:20:37 -0500
From: "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>, "Symphony-X" <teof@egroups.com>
Subject: Another CDNOW $10 discount
Message-ID: <000b01bf0c20$8346b840$a22e88cf@jammer>
Even if you missed the Storewide Sale, you can still save on your
favorite music and movies, because we're giving you $10 OFF
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:34:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Online Radio Stations (NDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9910011129410.98054-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Jeremy Kube wrote:
> Okay.. this is totally off topic, but I figured that I would post this
> question to all of you with hopes of getting a response. I am a huge
> Howard Stern fan. I used to listen to him all the time when I lived
> just an hour outside of Boston in NH. Now I have moved smack dab into
> the middle of the bible belt and not a freakin' station in the whole
> damn state has his show. With that out of the way... does anyone know
> where I can get this show ONLINE. I would love to log in and get the
> show on my computer. I have searched high and low on the net to find
> a station or a "secret" place that carries the show. I feel so "out
> of place" without hearing about lesbians and bad gas in the morning!!
> Man, I miss NH! If anyone has any information or suggestions.. please
> e mail me.. I'd really appreciate it.
I hate to tell you this Jay, but it ain't gonna happen. Stern ACTIVELY
searches for websites that broadcast his show and has them taken down,
because unlike Imus, he doesn't trade advertising space for his show - he
actually gets paid for having it syndicated. Which means that if people
listen to him on the web, he doesn't get paid.
Out of curiosity, what station did you listen to it on in NH? Not that
I'll be able to get it in Plymouth, but I'd like to try.
-------------------------------------------------
Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
http://cout.dhs.org/
Cloak on IRC
ICQ: 2513441
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Never pet a burning dog.
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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 08:49:35 -0700
From: Chris Oates <coates@objy.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Continuing to SYnthesize
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991001084935.00ae1630@objypop>
Bert sed:
> Uhhh, the Kurzweil K2000VP I own doesn't have a ribbon under the pitch
>and mod wheels, like Chris said in his post.
I don't remember which model it was. I thought it was a 2500, but I
distinctly remember it having two ribbons. a short one, trinity style, and
the biggie.
Carlos asked:
>What are the diferences between these two boards, specifically why is the
>triton cheaper?
It shouldn't be. The triton is the new synth, and is everything in the
Trinity and then some. More in all departments. :) The thing is, they
each come in 3 flavors. a 61 key (base model) a 76 (pro model) and an 88
key piano weighted (pro-X model) and each can have various add-on boards.
The trinity can have a prophecy synth one voice physical modeling board,
and the triton can add a Z1-like polyphonic physical modeling board. Also,
there's the Trinity V-3 which has the Z1 board built-in (kind of a halfway
between Trinity and Triton) so that could be more expensive than a Triton
without the add-on board.
So an individual Trinity can be more than an individual Triton, but in
terms of comparable features, the Triton does (and therefore costs) more.
and on a non-synth note, Martin sed:
>Does this mean that there is some kind of connection between ACOS and
>Metropolis?
No, it just means that they were both written at the same time period, when
Charlie was still in the band, as opposed to some of I&W, which was written
later.
~Chris
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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 18:08:13 CEST
From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: the wire(no spoiler)
Message-ID: <19991001160814.47147.qmail@hotmail.com>
hi all,
I listened to that piece on 'the wire' and...
..I'm afraid.
How about a listening party in HH?
To the guy from HH, the day you mentioned that you had just bought the tix,
I went out to get mine and I also have tix for Hannover by now.
Just looked at the new album. Well, the new font sucks, the jam is not
mentioned, the little pins in the jewel case were broken, the booklet is too
small, on the small front side the title is upside down, Petrucci's sound
sucks, LaBrie sucks, Jordan is not up enough in the mix, I don't like the
newly painted bass drums, the sleev pics are too small, why didn't they
thank... oh my God, it's horrible.
Btw, I like Mullmuzzler,
schnipp
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:46:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Jonas Hellborg
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.991001103129.8905A-100000@slam.cds.caltech.edu>
On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 ytsejam@torchsong.com wrote:
> From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
>
> Does anyone have any cds by him? Any suggestions?
> I was thinking of "E" because Jens Johansson is on it,
> or Octave of the Holy Innocents because Buckethead
> is on it.
I have E, and I would recommend it. I think I got the Buckethead CD at
the same time (drummer is Michael Shrieve, I think?). I didn't like that
CD much. I'm straining my brain to remember why, but it just seemed too
laid-back and spacey for my tastes. It's cool if you like that sort of
thing, I suppose, but it didn't work for me. So, I ended up returning it
to the store.
E is a bit different. Pretty energetic CD, lots of crazy chops from all,
especially that madman Anders Johansson (Jens' bro). In case you were
wondering, style of music is some kinda mixture of funk and fusion.
Good shit.
Other than that, I dunno much about Hellborg. I've only heard those two
CDs.
Another striking thing about the E CD. It has a pic of all three of them
(Hellborg and the Johanssons). The resemblance between the Johansson
bros. is VERY striking (I'm not even sure which is which, because I've
only once seen a pic of Jens, and I don't remember much of what he looks
like). Are they twins, or were they born a few years apart, and just
happened to have near-identical facial features?
Younis Hilal------------------------yhilal@cds.caltech.edu
NP: In Flames---Whoracle
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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 11:10:46 PDT
From: "Mike Kramer" <blexkin3@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: My Thoughts on the new album (Some Spoiler I Guess)
Message-ID: <19991001181046.42220.qmail@hotmail.com>
Does anybody else agree that this album sounds a lot like Savatage? Lots of
piano and lots of synthetic arrangements? Through her eyes to me sounds a
lot like the trans-siberian orchestra song christmas canon...very simple
with excellent lyrics...except that dt doesn't use counterpoint vocals. The
last few minutes of Finally Free remind me a lot of the guitar and
instrumental section going behind the savatage song The wake of magellan..it
makes me wonder if Dream Theater was influenced a lot by The Wake of
Magellan. The song writting reminds me a lot of Awake and the last track
reminds me a lot of Scarred..same sylables and stuff for some of the lyrics.
So far after hearing this album about 10 times or so i must say this is way
better then FII...FII was just shit...but whether or not the album will
compare to images and words and awake will depend if I still listen to the
album about 5 years from now and still get totally emotional over it. So far
I think the album sounds more like awake then it does images and words...and
Home to me sounds a lot like it was Lie influenced with the indian sounding
guitar riff's in the beginning part of the album.
As for hearing the album ahead of time I still have it pre-ordered on CDNOW.
Having the inserts and hopefully the story behindg the album will
deffinetely make me want to get the album itself.
Ok..sitting here bored in computer class...thought i'd type up what was on
my mind.
Good bye everybody
-blex
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:10:51 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: re: triton/trinity
Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.95.991001190214.11122B-100000@vectorbd.vectorbd.com>
The Triton is not cheaper anymore, Korg discontinued production of the
Pro and ProX models of the Trinity, and the basic 61-key version's list
price has dropped to somewhere around $2k to $2300 or so. Not sure
exactly.
The differences --
Triton has sampling built in, with some RAM (16 megs) from the
factory. The Trinity has none.
Triton has dual polyphonic arpeggiators (modelled after the Z1)
while the Trinity has only one, and it might be monophonic (not sure)
The Triton has 7 continuous control knobs on the front panel, 3 to
control the apreggiator, 4 assignable, the Trinity has none.
Triton's processor is 2-3 times faster, eliminating a lot of the
lag with the touch screen and the patch changes.
The Triton's effects section is really beefed up, offering more
advanced algorithms, etc. Also has really cool new types of effects not
found opn the Trinity, including piano strings/damper simulation and
vocoder.
The touch-view works a lot better, is set into the front panel
(not raised up), and is easier to use.
In general, the Triton is easier, more fun out of the box, and
more flexible than the Trinity. Some other little advancements have been
made also, but I don't realy feel like typing them. Go buy one. :)
-- Bert
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 21:13:35 +0200
From: "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Aghora
Message-ID: <001101bf0c43$59236fe0$1ce91dc3@sasa>
www.veilmaya.org/aghora/1.0/main.html
I don`t know how many of you heard about "Aghora" but in case you haven`t...
Sean Reinert & Sean Malone (both of now ex-Cynic) are in that band. Go to
their site, download a great track called "Immortal Bliss". This is
something that sounds really fresh and innovative...
Sasha (in anticipation of Aghora`s debut album)
NP: LTE 2 (bought it yesterday - this rocks!) :-)
"Lifting shadows off a dream
Once broken
She can turn a drop of water
Into an ocean..."
John Myung of Dream Theater
["Lifting Shadows Off A Dream"]
sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr
http://chronosphere.zambizzi.com
ICQ UIN - 6098813
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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 15:31:23 -0300
From: Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: triton/trinity
Message-ID: <37F4FDFB.265A7899@yunque.net>
Bert Baldwin wrote:
> The Triton is not cheaper anymore, Korg discontinued production of the
> Pro and ProX models of the Trinity, and the basic 61-key version's list
> price has dropped to somewhere around $2k to $2300 or so. Not sure
> exactly.
>
The latest musicians friend has the triton 61key at 2,099 , the pro76key at
2,499
and the pro X 88 key for 2,999
while the trinities are 2,749 / 3,199/ 3,899 respectively...
--
You learned well, through your hell
Your Pain was nothing, you longed for more
Your shameful heaven is full of devils
Just like me, Just for You
Carlos Alfaro , Internet Solutions Inc
mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:04:32 -0700
From: mkizer@csc.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: New album discussions (NO SPOILERS HERE)
Message-ID: <852567FD.006E2186.00@csc.com>
Hey gang,
I thought that to alleviate all the tension (liquid perhaps?) caused by
some people here wanting to discuss the new album, and others wanting to be
surprised, I created an online forum that will allow those of you who wish it,
an uncensored free-form discussion of the new album. Those of you that want to
remain surprised by it, should not read this particular forum. If any new album
talk does stray into the other forums on my board, I'll get them removed asap
(so all other forums are "safe")...
So let the discussion begin, just go to "The New Album" forum at:
http://www.ivorygate.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/Ultimate.cgi
Enjoy! (Or for you secrecy keepers -- Ignore!)
~Michael Kizer < mike@ivorygate.com > < ICQ # 2070538 >
"Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." ~ http://www.ivorygate.com
>>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<<
>>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<<
>>> Underground Internet Radio at: http://www.ytseradio.com <<<
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:15:54 -0700
From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: JR's video
Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649016AEA7A@messaging>
Anybody have Jordan's instructional video? I'm sure it's worth the $30 just
to watch him wail for an hour, but does the shit he teaches apply to all
musicians, not just pianists/keyboardists? Most instructional vids are
pretty "cross-platform", but JP's wasn't particularly (yeah, there were a
few broad concepts here and there, but I'm talking overall), so I'm just
wondering. Thanks!
David Dixon
Internet Developer
Integrated Information Systems, Inc.
david@iisweb.com
ytsedave@asu.edu
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:20:17 -0500
From: "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Howard Stern daily info site
Message-ID: <000701bf0c52$c2294780$350988cf@jammer>
Jeremy posted asking about a site that broadcasts the Howard Stern radio
show... I don't know of any that last very long because they get weeded out
and busted.. :/
I've missed Howard's radio show for several years after he left the Dallas/Ft
Worth TX market :/
But... there is a web site that tracks detailed reports of each show and
archives them.
The E! schedule is updated every Monday as well.
Check it out at http://www.marksfriggin.com/
..Can't wait till the release of the new DT CD !!!!! Counting down the
days....
Jan-Michael
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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 18:46:25 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: FII album title
Message-ID: <37F539C1.60EA6E79@home.com>
Haschkeks asked:
> In anticipation for SFAM, I just listened to FII again and was wondering where
> the title of the album came from. It's nowhere in the lyrics (like 'Awake' in
> 'The Silent Man') and nothing else in the inlay says anything about Falling into
> Infinity. It is also not their 8th album (because the symbol for infinity looks
> like an 8 turned 90)B°).
>
> Can anybody help me out here? The FAQ says nothing about it.
Good question.
When the guys were trying to come up with a name for FII, nothing was
really "jumping out at them" for quite some time. It got to the point
that they were actually considering making the disc self-titled, then
somebody (I don't remember who) came up with Falling Into Infinity, and
they used that. So Falling Into Infinity doesn't have any particular
meaning, and it isn't a song lyric (like the other discs), it just
sounds cool.
- Joe D.
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:07:52 -0600 (MDT)
From: TEDESCO MATTHEW A <Matthew.Tedesco@Colorado.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Recipe for passing the time 'til SFaM
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.991001170628.4193B-100000@ucsub.colorado.edu>
1. Go to your CD collection
2. Take out Rush's "Hold Your Fire"
3. Put it on
4. Sit back and enjoy
5. Repeat frequently
--mt
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Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 01:39:17 +0100
From: "Thomas Neubaum" <Thomas.Neubaum@jura.stud.uni-erlangen.de>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Appetizer - slight spoiler
Message-ID: <000801bf0c6e$92946d80$78f50a0a@sjthneub.dialin.rrze.uni-erlangen.de>
Discovered the tracklist (as many of you have, I suppose). They appear
awesome, epic and very promising, especially one...should that really
be...no?...oh yes, it really should...................
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 21:27:57 -0700
From: "Tom Johnson" <signals2000@home.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5091
Message-ID: <007501bf0c8e$80fcbe40$b9720518@phnx3.az.home.com>
> From: "Jeremy Kube" <kube@fullnet.net>
> Hey all,
> Before I go to bed, I wanted to put something on the auction block. I
> have here a copy of Megadeth "Risk" unopened, still in the original CD Now
> box. Bidding will start at $9.00 (plus shipping$1 or $2) CD Now
> accidentally sent it to me, and I'd rather just sell it to someone and
make
> back my money and maybe a couple of bucks. Best bid will win. I paid
> $14.95 with shipping for it!
Uh, you *do* know that you can simply email CDNow and tell them they screwed
up, and they'll send a return authorization number and postage, right? At
$9.00 plus shipping, you might as well just drive on down to Best Buy or
whatever and buy it yourself.
Tom
"My hovercraft is full of eels."
--English/Hungarian Phrasebook
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Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 00:39:20 +0200
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Spock's Beard
Message-ID: <37F53818.4D457B68@mol.com.mk>
I LOVE The Light, I LOVE the Beware of Darkness, I'm not so thrilled by
Kindness of Strangers! Will I like Day For Night?
--
CyberDuke
________________________________________________
"What do you think about it?"
"Shocking!"
"Yeah, but do you think it was funny?"
"Of course not! That would be REALLY shocking!"
The 2 balcony fossils,
"The Muppet Show"
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